View Full Version : Which Dead Avengers do you want back for good?
Make Mine Mar-Vell
10-06-2010, 12:59 PM
Like 4 good...just curious, you know?
theXfactor
10-06-2010, 01:06 PM
The Vision, but can a robot (or android, wahtever) really be dead. I never understood why they don't bring him back ;/
strathcona
10-06-2010, 01:07 PM
Vision and Yellowjacket (Rita DeMara). Dr. Druid could come back too, but Mar-Vell, Swordsman and Deathcry can all stay dead.
Global Honored
10-06-2010, 01:10 PM
Vision for sure. Then maybe Doc Druid, Yellowjacket and Swordsman. I always liked the Swordsman.
Monty_Cristo
10-06-2010, 01:27 PM
i'd be alright with them simply not killing any more of them. on the other hand, i'd like for them to write it so that the real Rita Demara never died. they don't have to resurrect her from the dead. that's a little too easy.
moochavelli
10-06-2010, 01:34 PM
Vision and Yellowjacket (Rita DeMara). Dr. Druid could come back too, but Mar-Vell, Swordsman and Deathcry can all stay dead.
I love it when other people post my thoughts for me.:biggrin:
I might return Druid since he's Marvels first Silver Age superhero.
Other than that, I'm okay with most if not all of them remaining dead to be honest.
strathcona
10-06-2010, 02:00 PM
I love it when other people post my thoughts for me.:biggrin:
That's what I am here for... to read your mind!
OldSchoolfan
10-06-2010, 02:09 PM
The Wasp...Janet Van Dyne.
The Valkyrie one shot made it worse cause it had a great flash back scene in it where Janet was being Janet....fans remember her like that, but not always for the heroic stuff she did or the fact that she led the Avengers through a really rough battle (The Mansion Siege story).
strathcona
10-06-2010, 02:28 PM
The Wasp...Janet Van Dyne.
The Valkyrie one shot made it worse cause it had a great flash back scene in it where Janet was being Janet....fans remember her like that, but not always for the heroic stuff she did or the fact that she led the Avengers through a really rough battle (The Mansion Siege story).
I actually remember her for a combination of the two, she is a great leader that lead the Avengers through their darkest time, yet when she is off duty she is light and comes across as a bit of an air-head. It's not an act, it's just how she acts. She is the social center of the MU. I like it best when you see her palling around with She-Hulk and Invisible Woman (I would add Hellcat to that list too, they get along great).
FanboyStranger
10-06-2010, 02:38 PM
I know I'm might be out of my mind on this one, but I wouldn't mind seeing Gilgamesh return in the right hands. I think DnA could do something cool with this kind of character.
coveredinbees
10-06-2010, 02:40 PM
Jack of Hearts
andybmcd
10-06-2010, 02:57 PM
I don't want any of them back. Let at least some people's death be permanent.
LordEd1976
10-06-2010, 03:49 PM
Vision and Janet Van Dyne.
Monty_Cristo
10-06-2010, 04:31 PM
I know I'm might be out of my mind on this one, but I wouldn't mind seeing Gilgamesh return in the right hands. I think DnA could do something cool with this kind of character.
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strathcona
10-06-2010, 04:35 PM
I know I'm might be out of my mind on this one, but I wouldn't mind seeing Gilgamesh return in the right hands. I think DnA could do something cool with this kind of character.
What Monty is trying to say is that Gilgamesh is already back in the most recent Eternals series.
FanboyStranger
10-06-2010, 04:41 PM
What Monty is trying to say is that Gilgamesh is already back in the most recent Eternals series.
I did not know that. I flipped through the first issue for a look at Acuna's art, but as a whole, it didn't seem like something I'd want to read. Word of mouth wasn't that great, either. That said, Gilgamesh in what looks like a variation on his space armor from Thor has picqued my interest.
I really want dead to mean dead, let's leave some characters alone
Blackhawkk
10-06-2010, 04:59 PM
I want Swordsman to come back. I want him to twirl his mustache and tie Mantis to the railroad tracks. I want him to ask Eric Josten what happened to his balls. I want him to say "I am not an actor, I am a movie star!"
Blackhawkk
10-06-2010, 05:00 PM
I guess what I really want is The Blue Blade to have his own series (see "The Twelve").
cernunnos
10-06-2010, 05:50 PM
Vision, Dr. Druid, and Swordsman
motteditor
10-06-2010, 06:19 PM
Vision and Jan. Plus Wanda's personality and powers.
TanGent
10-06-2010, 06:43 PM
the Vision and the Scarlet Witch.
I miss them.
A lot.
Maybe Viz can come back as a mystical human and Wanda(her REAL personality) can come back in an life-like robot body built by Magneto?!:eek:
Oh, and if you meant from the Chaos Wars: Dead Avengers story then....
Death Cry and Dr. Druid.
As a married couple.:biggrin:
Will.S
10-06-2010, 07:02 PM
Jack of Hearts, Vision, and Scott Lang.
I'm pretty sure Janet's coming back though so her return is almost a foregone conclusion.
Babylon23
10-06-2010, 07:46 PM
Really, the only one I'd like to see return is Vision, but then, I'm not entirely sure why he's dead in the first place. It's not like he hasn't been torn to pieces plenty of times in the past and the heroes have always managed to find a way to repair him. It took 9 issues in a tube during Busiek's run. This time around they locked him in a warehouse and forgot about him!?
Get him back and help him get Wanda back on track.
Really, the only one I'd like to see return is Vision, but then, I'm not entirely sure why he's dead in the first place. It's not like he hasn't been torn to pieces plenty of times in the past and the heroes have always managed to find a way to repair him. It took 9 issues in a tube during Busiek's run. This time around they locked him in a warehouse and forgot about him!?
Get him back and help him get Wanda back on track.
I assume they're not bothering to bring him back since he sort of already is back in the Young Avengers. He's got old Visions memories and powers. I guess that's close enough.
Babylon23
10-06-2010, 08:10 PM
I assume they're not bothering to bring him back since he sort of already is back in the Young Avengers. He's got old Visions memories and powers. I guess that's close enough.
If that's the case then the Avengers are the biggest bunch of bastards in the Mavel U. It's been clearly established that YA Vision is a completely different character and personality to classic Vision.
All they need to do is prop him in the tank from Avengers vol. 3 #4-12 and he'll be as good as new in a few weeks. Is it really that hard, or are the Avengers just total scumbags that don't want to see one of their friends and allies returned?
I'm not so sure the Wasp is really dead, as in comic books, no dead body = not dead. :biggrin:
The Vision is one of the coolest Avengers. Eventually someone is going to want to tap into all of those stories with him, so the classic one will be back.
Will.S
10-06-2010, 09:13 PM
I assume they're not bothering to bring him back since he sort of already is back in the Young Avengers. He's got old Visions memories and powers. I guess that's close enough.
I dunno, I think Vision II has differentiated himself a lot more these days from regular Vision given his whole Jonas name and his affection towards Cassie. Feels like almost a completely different character.
If that's the case then the Avengers are the biggest bunch of bastards in the Mavel U. It's been clearly established that YA Vision is a completely different character and personality to classic Vision.
All they need to do is prop him in the tank from Avengers vol. 3 #4-12 and he'll be as good as new in a few weeks. Is it really that hard, or are the Avengers just total scumbags that don't want to see one of their friends and allies returned?
Yeah I don't see why the Avengers didn't just rebuild him. I guess maybe Heinberg will address that hence why it just hasn't happened but still, there's not a whole lot of reasoning to it if at all.
SomeBodyAtCBR
10-06-2010, 09:56 PM
I dunno, I think Vision II has differentiated himself a lot more these days from regular Vision given his whole Jonas name and his affection towards Cassie. Feels like almost a completely different character.
Yeah I don't see why the Avengers didn't just rebuild him. I guess maybe Heinberg will address that hence why it just hasn't happened but still, there's not a whole lot of reasoning to it if at all.
Bendis. :wink:
Seriously, I'd like to see him back as well. I strongly dislike the Young Avengers and think Vision could be an awesome character if done right.
When Iron Lad returns and the real Vision comes back, please God, let him either be a heartless android for a while or let him be evil. I want to feel the imagery that's on that cover of Avengers (#12 I think?)
If that's the case then the Avengers are the biggest bunch of bastards in the Mavel U. It's been clearly established that YA Vision is a completely different character and personality to classic Vision.
All they need to do is prop him in the tank from Avengers vol. 3 #4-12 and he'll be as good as new in a few weeks. Is it really that hard, or are the Avengers just total scumbags that don't want to see one of their friends and allies returned?
I suppose the situation is comparable to what happened in Byrne's West Coast Avengers run.
You have Visions memories... but you likely won't have "classic" Vision's personality without Simon Willians brain pattern. But Simon doesn't seem terribly willing to lend his personality out like that voluntarily... and I can't say I blame him really.
With the Young Avengers Vision AND the original Vision around, overall I'm not sure Marvel would be in a huge rush to throw in a third Vision anyways.
Nevets F
10-07-2010, 08:27 AM
If I could choose one (of these from the mini), it would be Deathcry.
If I was super lucky and could choose two, then it would be Deathcry and Yellowjacket. They're the only two that deserve to come back. Their deaths were terrible.
Captain Marvel is the only one that must stay dead.
strathcona
10-07-2010, 08:38 AM
I suppose the situation is comparable to what happened in Byrne's West Coast Avengers run.
You have Visions memories... but you likely won't have "classic" Vision's personality without Simon Willians brain pattern. But Simon doesn't seem terribly willing to lend his personality out like that voluntarily... and I can't say I blame him really.
With the Young Avengers Vision AND the original Vision around, overall I'm not sure Marvel would be in a huge rush to throw in a third Vision anyways.
See... call Golden Age Vision Aarkus, give YA Vision a new name and look... basically could be any name, and then the name is free for Vision to come back... It's inevitable.
strathcona
10-07-2010, 08:40 AM
If I could choose one (of these from the mini), it would be Deathcry.
If I was super lucky and could choose two, then it would be Deathcry and Yellowjacket. They're the only two that deserve to come back. Their deaths were terrible.
Captain Marvel is the only one that must stay dead.
Completely agree that Yellowjacket's death was awful. She pops back into the timestream, wearing a completely different costume than when we last saw her, and is killed by a mind-controlled Iron Man... lame. She demands to come back!
See... call Golden Age Vision Aarkus, give YA Vision a new name and look... basically could be any name, and then the name is free for Vision to come back... It's inevitable.
Or they can just pull a page from DC. Throw the Android Human Torch in the mix, and they can call it the Vision Corps. No point in keeping a character dead when you can have any many versions as possible running around.
strathcona
10-07-2010, 08:45 AM
Or they can just pull a page from DC. Throw the Android Human Torch in the mix, and they can call it the Vision Corps. No point in keeping a character dead when you can have any many versions as possible running around.
I am cool with that too!
classicgmer
10-07-2010, 10:46 AM
I've actually read very little about most of these characters except for Vision and Captain Marvell (and even then it's not too much)because I started buying under the Bendis era of Avengers. Having said all that if ATI showed me anything it's that I can grow to appreciate characters that have been around for some time that I know next to nothing about so I'd be game for bringing any of em back.
Smoothesuede
10-07-2010, 11:01 AM
I've actually read very little about most of these characters except for Vision and Captain Marvell (and even then it's not too much)because I started buying under the Bendis era of Avengers. Having said all that if ATI showed me anything it's that I can grow to appreciate characters that have been around for some time that I know next to nothing about so I'd be game for bringing any of em back.Quality post.
I'm in the same boat and agree completely.
Bring anyone back and I'll be content to see them shine, so long as the story's good.
Gryphon
10-07-2010, 11:07 AM
Swordsman. He is too awesome to stay dead.
rpriske
10-07-2010, 12:47 PM
Neither Vision or Wasp are actually dead as far as I am concerned (especially Vision), but I would sure like them 'back'. (Wasp back from that other dimension and Vision with his 'real' personality back.)
If I was to pick another... I guess Dr. Druid. NOT Deathcry, NOT Yellowjacket and a super big NOT Captain Marvel (give the name back to Monica Rambeau, damn it!)
Joe Franklin
10-07-2010, 01:00 PM
Are we talking about Vision with Simon's brain patterns?
Because if not, then Vision is alive and well in Young Avengers.
MagSeven
10-07-2010, 01:01 PM
Swordsman. He is too awesome to stay dead.
I want Strucker Swordsman back.
Gryphon
10-07-2010, 01:12 PM
I want Strucker Swordsman back.
The original was way better.
OldSchoolfan
10-07-2010, 03:34 PM
Neither Vision or Wasp are actually dead as far as I am concerned (especially Vision), but I would sure like them 'back'. (Wasp back from that other dimension and Vision with his 'real' personality back.)
If I was to pick another... I guess Dr. Druid. NOT Deathcry, NOT Yellowjacket and a super big NOT Captain Marvel (give the name back to Monica Rambeau, damn it!)
One of my favorite parts of the Stern run was his version of Captain Marvel. I would like to see her more involved. So I second that thought.
I also understand the let death be permanent point of view...its just that this is comics and there are some really cool stories to tell by breaking the rules.
I am not sure why, but I don't really miss Scarlet Witch that much and I thought that I should...funny.
Still want the Wasp, Janet back. Any body else read Thor the Mighty Avenger #3? Another great portrayal of her and Hank.
Mikey Brown
10-07-2010, 03:47 PM
Leave them all dead. Let new characters take on their identity.
Ken Ashcroft
10-07-2010, 03:56 PM
Leave them all dead. Let new characters take on their identity.How many times has that worked in the past?
Babylon23
10-07-2010, 04:20 PM
With the Young Avengers Vision AND the original Vision around, overall I'm not sure Marvel would be in a huge rush to throw in a third Vision anyways.
I've never really liked these "behind the scenes" explanations for not performing actions that have been shown to be commonplace within the stories themselves. The Avengers have shown in story that they're able to repair the Vision time and time again. For them not to be doing so this time around is pretty poor writing and characterisation IMO.
I've never really liked these "behind the scenes" explanations for not performing actions that have been shown to be commonplace within the stories themselves. The Avengers have shown in story that they're able to repair the Vision time and time again. For them not to be doing so this time around is pretty poor writing and characterisation IMO.
If you absolutely need a reason for why they didn't repair him this time around, I don't think it's a huge stretch to simply assume this time around the damage was severe enough to the point where they couldn't.
But eventually that issue was curtailed by Visions memories being ported over into the YA Vision.
marvell2100
10-07-2010, 05:09 PM
The Vision. They have got to find a way to bring him back and on an Avengers team. That's where he belongs.
Cayman
10-07-2010, 05:14 PM
Wasp, Mar-Vell, and Jack of Hearts
Mikey Brown
10-07-2010, 05:14 PM
How many times has that worked in the past?A few. Then again who would want to become the next Dr. Druid or Swordsman? But I'd say its worked wonders for Bucky and to an extent Noh-Varr.
Babylon23
10-07-2010, 07:02 PM
If you absolutely need a reason for why they didn't repair him this time around, I don't think it's a huge stretch to simply assume this time around the damage was severe enough to the point where they couldn't.
Pretty lame. I say bring him back during Chaos War and forge the whole thing ver happened.
BartonisHawkeye88
10-07-2010, 07:13 PM
A few. Then again who would want to become the next Dr. Druid or Swordsman? But I'd say its worked wonders for Bucky and to an extent Noh-Varr.
I'd disagree about Noh-Varr. When it comes to Captain Marvel's title, even Genis-Vell gets the nod over Noh imo.
I'd much rather see Mar-Vell back as Captain Marvel then see anyone else claim the title... HOwever, If that's not possible, I'd love to see Noh-Varr take the costume and title, because it's MUCH cooler than the Protector costume and name, again imo.
As for Swordsman, I actually liked Andreas better than Jacques. I think Swordsman works better as a villain or anti-hero.
Anyway... the only Dead Avenger from that list that NEEDS to stay is Vision 1.0. I'm sure I'm not the only one who is not a huge fan of Jonas. I'd rather him return to being Iron Lad and Vision come back for real.
I'd be excited to see Mar-Vell come back, but not bummed if he didn't return for good.
The others, I'm indifferent, and leaning more towards the "Stay Dead" category for them.
OBrianTallent
10-07-2010, 08:24 PM
Jack of Hearts
Rita DeMara Yellowjacket
& above all others...
JANET VAN DYNE
Jack of Hearts
Rita DeMara Yellowjacket
& above all others...
JANET VAN DYNE
Maybe it's just wishfull thinking on part part, but I honestly don't even count Wasp as dead.
The same way Thor, Steve, and Hawkeye weren't really dead... they were just temporarily put on the shelf, with the plan all along being to bring them back.
MagSeven
10-07-2010, 08:30 PM
The original was way better.
I don't remember much about him other than that rocking stache. Either he was before my time or I wasn't really reading Avengers when he was around
BartonisHawkeye88
10-07-2010, 10:48 PM
Wasp, Mar-Vell, and Jack of Hearts
Switch out Mar-Vell for Vision and I TOTALLY agree with you!
Mar-Vell would be great, but I would much rather have the real vision back.
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