X-Men: Legacy #240 Review (w/ SPOILERS)- [Archive] - Page 2

Teeka

10-04-2010, 08:30 AM

She's not racist, it's cause people enjoy warping her speech from New Mutant# 45 into something else.

If that's it, then I'm pretty disappointed in fod_xp. The rest of what he writes seems to indicate a sensible, smart person.

Racism and Neo-Nazism are horrible things. When people use those words for things they don't really apply to, it lessens the meaning of the word.
That little statement didn't seem to make much sense in this discussion, anyway. If what you say is why fod wrote it, then maybe for some people finding a way to call a jewish character a nazi is a fun exercise in cleverness, I don't know. Would be a sad thing. But I'll wait for fod himself to comment.

MarvelMaster616

10-04-2010, 09:42 AM

So the review came out for this issue today on CBR. They gave it a 1.5 out of 5. I think that was way too harsh. There's no way this book deserves a score that low. It certainly wasn't perfect, but it was certainly better than 1.5. It had a lot of what makes a comic good. The art was solid, there was some good fight scenes (not great though), there was some nice drama with Paras's family, and a great twist at the end. The review says the Children of the Vault were too flat. I would have agreed with this in the last issue, but after the depiction of the Angelfire machine I don't think that's fair.

When I reviewed this comic on my blog, I gave it a 5 out of 5. When this thread started, it was given a 9 out of 10. Does anyone else here believe at 1.5 out of 5 is justified? I've read books that deserve that score. I know what makes a book that bad as much as anybody here. But X-men Legacy #240 did not have that. Not in the slightest.

darknessatnoon

10-04-2010, 09:43 AM

If that's it, then I'm pretty disappointed in fod_xp. The rest of what he writes seems to indicate a sensible, smart person.

You've got to be kidding me.

Pixie_Solanas

10-04-2010, 10:07 AM

CBR's "review" squad took this issue to task.

Wholly unwarranted, IMO.

Cayman

10-04-2010, 10:15 AM

I found the review spot-on.

MartinRedmond

10-04-2010, 10:17 AM

So the review came out for this issue today on CBR. They gave it a 1.5 out of 5.

That figures. It had a plot, character devellopment, suspense, surprises etc. I can't wait for the next issue and how this'll get wrapped up in 22 pages. Guess that's too much excitement for most comic readers. 9________________9

Teeka

10-04-2010, 10:21 AM

You've got to be kidding me.

I don't visit these boards too often. I could be wrong. :smile:

Leirus

10-04-2010, 10:23 AM

The review is absolutely ridiculous. The last panel of El Quitado fused with Mumbai is gorgeous. The twisted is unexpected, even if foreshadowed. The conflict between Paras and his family has been laid out previously. Maybe the reviewer just does not understand the pressure an arranaged marriage means in the indian culture, or just skipped last issue. It is ludicrous how CBR can rate Uncanny so high and Legacy so low.

Same goes for you Cayman.

MartinRedmond

10-04-2010, 10:26 AM

Impeach!! Impeach!!

ExodusCloak

10-04-2010, 10:28 AM

Yeah, that review sucks. Since the bench mark for readers reading X-books is at an all time low this decade, X-Men Legacy #240 should be gold when graded against that standard.

yanapryde

10-04-2010, 10:28 AM

the review is absolutely ridiculous. The last panel of el quitado fused with mumbai is gorgeous. The twisted is unexpected, even if foreshadowed. The conflict between paras and his family has been laid out previously. Maybe the reviewer just does not understand the pressure an arranaged marriage means in the indian culture, or just skipped last issue. It is ludicrous how cbr can rate uncanny so high and legacy so low.

Same goes for you cayman.

truthzzzz!!!!

Cayman

10-04-2010, 10:31 AM

No, I think the book should be graded on its own merits and they were lacking.

Washout

10-04-2010, 10:33 AM

No, I think the book should be graded on its own merits and they were lacking.

What is it you dislike about it, Cayman? I feel like this book has been exceptional since after the Emplate arc (which was just too slow). This current arc is a lot of fun.

I have some problems with Legacy, but it has nothing to do with the stories Carey is telling.

ExodusCloak

10-04-2010, 10:33 AM

No, I think the book should be graded on its own merits and they were lacking.

The premise of Rogue and Magneto teaching younger kids while staying relevant itself is lacking, but the dialogue and art more then makes up for it. A good 3 stars would be fairer.

Pixie_Solanas

10-04-2010, 10:33 AM

I thought it was fantastic. Paras taking time off from rescuing Rogue to get married was hilarious, and a complete indictment into the general failures of the NXM and the continued irrelevance of Rogue. Luz swapping forms and throwing that non-entity "arranged wife" into the Angelfire? Great reveal.

And the SENSE FORUM? Another masterstroke by Mike Carey. This issue read great. I have no complaints whatsoever.

Foon4000

10-04-2010, 10:34 AM

No, I think the book should be graded on its own merits and they were lacking.

I agree. It's miles better than Uncanny all the same. At least you get the sense that the Professor likes and respects his characters and isn't having a secret snortle at the readers.

Leirus

10-04-2010, 10:35 AM

Yeah, that review sucks. Since the bench mark for readers reading X-books is at an all time low this decade, X-Men Legacy #240 should be gold when graded against that standard.

Seriously. I can concede that one of the Children, Olvido, comes across as a bit generic... But Rana has an original power and a bitchy mouth ("Payaso"), Hammer displays a more gentle character and a restrained nobility ("You have already defeated her, sister, no need to kill her") Cadena is a self righteus and vindicative leader, and Regidora was interesting since her first panel. This has been defined in just two issues. The four lights have shown less promise having each issue for each, and yet the reviews rate those issues higher

The idea of the ejecution senso-dome is awesome, and the twist, totally unexpected. I am baffled.

Cayman

10-04-2010, 10:35 AM

What is it you dislike about it, Cayman? I feel like this book has been exceptional since after the Emplate arc (which was just too slow). This current arc is a lot of fun.

I have some problems with Legacy, but it has nothing to do with the stories Carey is telling.

Here (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=11960888&postcount=42)

Leirus

10-04-2010, 10:38 AM

No, I think the book should be graded on its own merits and they were lacking.

I have to assume the book is being rated using the same rating system used for Uncanny, given that it is the same site doing it. You can not rate Uncanny comparing it with... I do not know, Gen-13 goes to the beach, and Legacy comparing it with Mause. An 1.5 is a book you should not even look at in its shelve. And that is far from the case.

Here (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=11960888&postcount=42)

The Children have not changed at all since their very first apparition in Supernova. They just do not care at all for humans and mutants, and even want to leave this "Broken world". But they are not crazed charicatures. Again, they have decided to leave the earth alone...

Leirus

10-04-2010, 10:41 AM

Double Bobble.

MartinRedmond

10-04-2010, 10:43 AM

Please, Maus rates a 0.014/10 stars compared to Legacy.

Leirus

10-04-2010, 10:45 AM

Please, Maus rates a 0.014/10 stars compared to Legacy.

They are two genres completely different, but you know what I meant. Use Persepolis instead if you like, or Y the last man.

Cayman

10-04-2010, 10:46 AM

I have to assume the book is being rated using the same rating system used for Uncanny, given that it is the same site doing it. You can not rate Uncanny comparing it with... I do not know, Gen-13 goes to the beach, and Legacy comparing it with Mause. An 1.5 is a book you should not even look at in its shelve. And that is far from the case.

The Children have not changed at all since their very first apparition in Supernova. They just do not care at all for humans and mutants, and even want to leave this "Broken world". But they are not crazed charicatures. Again, they have decided to leave the earth alone...

Remember that CBR has several different reviewers. The person reviewing Uncanny may not be the person reviewing Legacy.

Leirus

10-04-2010, 10:53 AM

Remember that CBR has several different reviewers. The person reviewing Uncanny may not be the person reviewing Legacy.

Clearly. Sorry. I have gone a bit overboard with this; you see, this weekend I read for the first time several post Second Coming comics, and I found Legacy awesome. Even if I can find some minor problems with the issue, and taking into account that every person has a different taste for the art, I just can not fathom how someone could rate it 1.5. Nor do I understand how can you agree. But if that is what you think... well, I will have to grudgingly respect your opinion...

Pixie_Solanas

10-04-2010, 11:04 AM

I can't understand how this warrants a 1.5.

That's an ungodly number and should be reserved for truly awful books. This was NOT an awful book.

Cayman

10-04-2010, 11:06 AM

I would probably have given it two stars.

Luz is fun and Magneto gets some nice dialog.

fortyseven

10-04-2010, 11:07 AM

I can't understand how this warrants a 1.5.

That's an ungodly number and should be reserved for truly awful books. This was NOT an awful book.

I completely agree. I can understand if the reviewer just didn't enjoy the issue, but a 1.5 is completely unwarranted.

Washout

10-04-2010, 11:08 AM

Carey writes well, but he needs to go back to the dark Morrisonian stuff he started the book with. He doesn't need a team to do it. Rogue has a dark past that could easily be explored.

Leirus

10-04-2010, 11:10 AM

I can't understand how this warrants a 1.5.

That's an ungodly number and should be reserved for truly awful books. This was NOT an awful book.

Behind this opinion, however, I could go to war.

ExodusCloak

10-04-2010, 11:14 AM

I completely agree. I can understand if the reviewer just didn't enjoy the issue, but a 1.5 is completely unwarranted.

Just looked at some of the of the other stuff the guy has reviewed and he's pretty consistent with the books he reviews. The guy who reviewed UXM this week and the previous issue of Legacy is a lot more generous. I don't know maybe they should just have the same guy review all the issue in an arc and then rotate. Reviews are an absolute waste of time unless you follow the reviewer.

yanapryde

10-04-2010, 11:56 AM

Reviews are an absolute waste of time unless you follow the reviewer.

exactly THIS.

Seresecros

10-04-2010, 12:17 PM

Five star rating systems don't work anyway. Rate it out of ten, CBR!

Home made ectoplasm

10-04-2010, 12:24 PM

Reviews are an absolute waste of time

How I feel.

Leirus

10-04-2010, 12:26 PM

How I feel.

How comfortable for you, in your scottish pleasure dome, reading and re-reading the issues hot from the printer. Not all of us are so lucky.

I need reviews.

fod_xp

10-04-2010, 05:10 PM

YES IT IS, HANK WAS LOW always.

ROGUE WAS ALWAYS HIGH LEVEL.

I can show you with image, rogue is of unlimited level.

Why did you mention Henry? How is he even relevant to this topic? His mutant package is increased strength, agility, hyper-senses, pheromone excretion and detection, and kicking lots of arse while making snappy witticisms. Not the stuff on an Omega level mutant.

Rogue just fails at life, even with her suck powers under her control. Now that she can freely use them, she all of a sudden developed some cliche "Ah can't use mah powahs unless Ah have thah permission first."

Really...I mean really...Magneto, smack some sense into her, you do it to your own flesh and blood kids.

Perfection/Emma 2

10-04-2010, 05:31 PM

Why did you mention Henry? How is he even relevant to this topic? His mutant package is increased strength, agility, hyper-senses, pheromone excretion and detection, and kicking lots of arse while making snappy witticisms. Not the stuff on an Omega level mutant.

Rogue just fails at life, even with her suck powers under her control. Now that she can freely use them, she all of a sudden developed some cliche "Ah can't use mah powahs unless Ah have thah permission first."

Really...I mean really...Magneto, smack some sense into her, you do it to your own flesh and blood kids.

Fod, do not speak about my Goddess like that, it's upsetting:mad: Also, I read ur comment on our Luz argument and although I see ur points, am gonna stick with mine. Luz doesn't come off as cold as U make her sound. Yes, she can be a bit of a bitch at times, but don't all teenage girls. Because she doesn't wear her heart on her sleeve, it doesn't mean she doesn't need saving. However, I strongly agree with U on one thing Rogue and Vaipala do need to be save and once again Anole and Loa have embarrassed me in front of Torpor "Damn kids of mine:mad:"

fod_xp

10-04-2010, 05:31 PM

Explain, please? Great analysis on Emma and Luz, but this I don't get.

MartinRedmond is right about the image I used for that statement; however, I am, again, teasing. It's my MO, I pepper my posts with gibberish, it confuses the hell out of people, and at this point, it's what many CBR posters associate with my user name.

She's not racist, it's cause people enjoy warping her speech from New Mutant# 45 into something else.

Agreed, it's just that panel is sooo freaking funny! I have to keep referring to it; taken out of context, that scene is epic!

If that's it, then I'm pretty disappointed in fod_xp. The rest of what he writes seems to indicate a sensible, smart person.

Really???

Racism and Neo-Nazism are horrible things. When people use those words for things they don't really apply to, it lessens the meaning of the word.
That little statement didn't seem to make much sense in this discussion, anyway. If what you say is why fod wrote it, then maybe for some people finding a way to call a jewish character a nazi is a fun exercise in cleverness, I don't know. Would be a sad thing. But I'll wait for fod himself to comment.

I respect the Jewish religion and culture, which apparently showed in my Religious studies class as I aced the tests on that religion with straight A's.

I scored B+'s on the Islam section, and low B's on the Christianity section.

I just consider everyone equal; so identifying words like Jew, African, Muslim, all just fancy terms for groups to self identify, I just consider all of humanity my brothers and sisters. Which sort of backfires when Islamic Extremists engage in acts of terrorism, or when the US Government allows the President to deploy armed forces in the name of "Democracy" overseas while looking for WMDs where there aren't any because, HELLO!!! The US foreign intelligence agency is retarded, and even has to go recruiting at Universities and bribe students with going to school abroad in high danger areas in order to overhaul their incompetent old-white-baby-boomers who still behave and react like it's the god damn COLD WAR.

As a US Citizen, I'm NOT happy with the way Countries in Power have molded the world, not one bit.:mad:

How does this relate to the Kitty comment? I view racism and fetishizing terms such as "nigger" only intensifies the negative connotations and feelings towards that word.

It's a bad word regardless, but emphasizing it as one only increases it's negative influence.

MartinRedmond

10-04-2010, 05:35 PM

I couldn't be more thrilled no one's phoned ScottenEmma for advice. Scott showing on one page in the entire story was more than enough.

fod_xp

10-04-2010, 06:17 PM

Please, Maus rates a 0.014/10 stars compared to Legacy.

GTFO, now. I don't find that funny, and I'll admit I find a lot of weird and screwy shit funny. Your post is offensive. Please edit or leave.

They are two genres completely different, but you know what I meant. Use Persepolis instead if you like, or Y the last man.

You're kidding, I'd entertain Mike Carey's Unwritten or Lucifer to Y: The Last Man, X-Men comics are just mindless self-indulgence and a steady paycheck.

Remember that CBR has several different reviewers. The person reviewing Uncanny may not be the person reviewing Legacy.

They switch reviewers all the time, and let us remember that "reviews" are the opinions of a person with her or his own likes, dislikes, and sense of taste. Their "reviews" should be taken as a general recommendation, while keeping in mind that each and every critique and review is based upon personal biases and preferences, and is NOT set in stone fact, despite what they may claim to being "bias free" or "impartial."

So take these reviews as just a recommendation. As for the 1.5 star review, well, that was a tad overkill. I would have given it a 2 out of 5 based on the following:

1. Lack of development of the CotV.

2. Only three of the CotV strike team have talked, and got to the point where they needed to close their clap-trap because they were talking too much.

3. The arranged marriage sub-plot is taking up too much panel space and honestly only served as the reason to get Rogue, Loa, Anole, and Indra to Mumbai. Magneto went to Mumbai to check on the erratic weather conditions.

4. Luz provides what little comedic relief there is in this story.

5. Loa, Anole, and Indra fail at life and needed to call the X-Men instead of just sitting there doing nothing but participating in a wedding that Luz crashed.

6. No real character development or significant interaction, what was the purpose of this arc, other than a rematch against the CotV in a four part story that is badly decompressed.

I can't understand how this warrants a 1.5.

That's an ungodly number and should be reserved for truly awful books. This was NOT an awful book.

Maybe he was enraged that Rogue ditched the cowboy boots for flipflops?

I would probably have given it two stars.

Luz is fun and Magneto gets some nice dialog.

Agreed.

How I feel.

If anything, reading them passes the time away.

Teeka

10-05-2010, 12:23 AM

MartinRedmond is right about the image I used for that statement; however, I am, again, teasing. It's my MO, I pepper my posts with gibberish, it confuses the hell out of people, and at this point, it's what many CBR posters associate with my user name.

Agreed, it's just that panel is sooo freaking funny! I have to keep referring to it; taken out of context, that scene is epic!

Really???

I respect the Jewish religion and culture, which apparently showed in my Religious studies class as I aced the tests on that religion with straight A's.

I scored B+'s on the Islam section, and low B's on the Christianity section.

I just consider everyone equal; so identifying words like Jew, African, Muslim, all just fancy terms for groups to self identify, I just consider all of humanity my brothers and sisters. Which sort of backfires when Islamic Extremists engage in acts of terrorism, or when the US Government allows the President to deploy armed forces in the name of "Democracy" overseas while looking for WMDs where there aren't any because, HELLO!!! The US foreign intelligence agency is retarded, and even has to go recruiting at Universities and bribe students with going to school abroad in high danger areas in order to overhaul their incompetent old-white-baby-boomers who still behave and react like it's the god damn COLD WAR.

As a US Citizen, I'm NOT happy with the way Countries in Power have molded the world, not one bit.:mad:

How does this relate to the Kitty comment? I view racism and fetishizing terms such as "nigger" only intensifies the negative connotations and feelings towards that word.

It's a bad word regardless, but emphasizing it as one only increases it's negative influence.

Ok. No harm then.

Of course it's ok to write teasing gibberish, no problem. But it would be appreciated if you'd be careful with using terms as racist or nazi, if only for sake of keeping the word meaningful instead of letting it become another word for douchebag (see Seinfeld's Soup Nazi).
I mean, if someone describes another person to me as a nazi, I will hate that other person for it instantly without having to meet them. It's important that it doesn't turn out later he's just a dick and not racist at all.
...also (and I realize this is a standard 'forum-regulars' thing) keep in mind that besides the small group of 10.000+ posters here, a lot of others won't get your way of posting, whether you are just teasing or not, y'know. Again, the teasing gibberish is cool, just keep in mind that not everyone here has read all of your previous posts and knows what to expect.

Not trying to flame you, btw, just saying this from a non-X-board-regular's point of view. Hope I don't come off as lecturing you.

I don't know the 'Kitty'-panel/speech this is all referring to, but it sounds like a one-off case of very bad writing, instead of actually being a part of the character. I've been reading X-men for many years and racist is not a word I'd use for Kitty.

Ok. Moving on. :smile:

RuaDragon

10-05-2010, 04:12 AM

Rogue just fails at life, even with her suck powers under her control. Now that she can freely use them, she all of a sudden developed some cliche "Ah can't use mah powahs unless Ah have thah permission first."

Really...I mean really...Magneto, smack some sense into her, you do it to your own flesh and blood kids.

Is Rogue only not using her powers on allies unless she has permission, or is she just not using her powers on ANYONE if she doesn't have their permission?

Foon4000

10-05-2010, 04:32 AM

Is Rogue only not using her powers on allies unless she has permission, or is she just not using her powers on ANYONE if she doesn't have their permission?

She didn't have a problem attacking Emplate, so I'm going with 'not using her powers on allies without permission'. Maybe she doesn't want to see inside the mind of a Child of the Vault. Any old dirt could be in there.

RuaDragon

10-05-2010, 04:47 AM

She didn't have a problem attacking Emplate, so I'm going with 'not using her powers on allies without permission'. Maybe she doesn't want to see inside the mind of a Child of the Vault. Any old dirt could be in there.

In that case, if she wants permission to use her powers on an ally, I don't see what the problem is. It's when she stops using them on enemies that things start getting pathetic.

Also do we know for a fact that she can't absorb the CotV's powers? Or is that just something they assumed so next issue can spring on us the shocking twist that she totally can?

Cayman

10-05-2010, 06:18 AM

CBR's writers are part of the CBR community, and as such, the same civility rules apply to them as they do to other posters here. You can complain about the contents of the reviews, but insults will be removed.

fod_xp

10-05-2010, 05:29 PM

Ok. No harm then.

Of course it's ok to write teasing gibberish, no problem. But it would be appreciated if you'd be careful with using terms as racist or nazi, if only for sake of keeping the word meaningful instead of letting it become another word for douchebag (see Seinfeld's Soup Nazi).
I mean, if someone describes another person to me as a nazi, I will hate that other person for it instantly without having to meet them. It's important that it doesn't turn out later he's just a dick and not racist at all.
...also (and I realize this is a standard 'forum-regulars' thing) keep in mind that besides the small group of 10.000+ posters here, a lot of others won't get your way of posting, whether you are just teasing or not, y'know. Again, the teasing gibberish is cool, just keep in mind that not everyone here has read all of your previous posts and knows what to expect.

Not trying to flame you, btw, just saying this from a non-X-board-regular's point of view. Hope I don't come off as lecturing you.

I don't know the 'Kitty'-panel/speech this is all referring to, but it sounds like a one-off case of very bad writing, instead of actually being a part of the character. I've been reading X-men for many years and racist is not a word I'd use for Kitty.

Ok. Moving on. :smile:

Thanks, mate, I'll be more careful regarding my choice of words.

Is Rogue only not using her powers on allies unless she has permission, or is she just not using her powers on ANYONE if she doesn't have their permission?

See, I would want to know that, myself! As far as her sucking her team's powers, that just seems par for the course. What I was specifically referring to, and so was Magneto, was the fact that Rogue had no such problem before when it came to using her suck powers to stun, recover memories, or absorb powers from enemies and non-combatants without "asking for permission." It just sounds hokey and a bit out of character for Rogue.

So now Rogue can control her powers, great! No more moaning and bitching a fit about "Ah can't touch those closest to mah heart!" GREAT!!!

So what happens??? She gets shot in the foot with some left-field moral/ethical dilemma that just replaces "no power control" as Rogue's source of woe. Seriously, buy some Ben and Jerry's, eat it, beat the shit out of Scott for three straight hours, have hot steamy sex with Magneto and Remy in a three some, take a cold shower, then watch Bruce Lee movies, then go on a mission, trust me, you'll have a much better time.

Perfection/Emma 2

10-05-2010, 05:36 PM

Thanks, mate, I'll be more careful regarding my choice of words.

See, I would want to know that, myself! As far as her sucking her team's powers, that just seems par for the course. What I was specifically referring to, and so was Magneto, was the fact that Rogue had no such problem before when it came to using her suck powers to stun, recover memories, or absorb powers from enemies and non-combatants without "asking for permission." It just sounds hokey and a bit out of character for Rogue.

So now Rogue can control her powers, great! No more moaning and bitching a fit about "Ah can't touch those closest to mah heart!" GREAT!!!

So what happens??? She gets shot in the foot with some left-field moral/ethical dilemma that just replaces "no power control" as Rogue's source of woe. Seriously, buy some Ben and Jerry's, eat it, beat the shit out of Scott for three straight hours, have hot steamy sex with Magneto and Remy in a three some, take a cold shower, then watch Bruce Lee movies, then go on a mission, trust me, you'll have a much better time.

And that will help how darling?

RuaDragon

10-05-2010, 06:18 PM

In that particular conversation they were talking about Luz, who at that time was kinda an ally, or at least she was under Rogue's care in a way, so I can see why Rogue wouldn't use her powers on her without permission and I don't have a problem with it. If Luz was a hostage or a captured enemy then it would be different.

Edit: What I'm trying to get at is that Rogue now has a problem using her powers on non-combatants without permission, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that so long as said non-combatant isn't an enemy.

And that will help how darling?

I don't know, but it sounds like an awesome day.

MartinRedmond

10-05-2010, 06:21 PM

Magneto specifically asked Rogue to absorb Luz so she could invade her privacy. Rogue has principles, she got that from Irene, not Raven, obvs. Magneto is a slimeball.

Skaddix

10-05-2010, 06:41 PM

Magneto specifically asked Rogue to absorb Luz so she could invade her privacy. Rogue has principles, she got that from Irene, not Raven, obvs. Magneto is a slimeball.

Wonder why Rogue had a falling out with Scott, she needs to quit reading the old book and get the new one that Scott stole from Mags.

fod_xp

10-05-2010, 08:14 PM

Magneto specifically asked Rogue to absorb Luz so she could invade her privacy. Rogue has principles, she got that from Irene, not Raven, obvs. Magneto is a slimeball.

Well, I am forced to agree with Mike Carey's Magneto in this case, she was clearly involved in the AWOL storms and erratic weather conditions and told Rogue, Loa, Anole, and Indra that Luz was connected to it somehow.

Hence why Magneto made the comment to Rogue. I felt Rogue got a bit too attached to Luz, probably saw a lot of her younger self in Luz, but in this case, people were getting hurt, INCLUDING Loa, Anole, and Indra.

If I remember correctly, in the first issue of this arc, when the storm occurred Magneto grabbed Rogue while the New X-Men got pelted with debris the size of basketballs. So, in this case, Rogue's good nature is great, but a little misplaced, you can't just go around snatching up all the poor, defenseless maguffins because sometimes it's a calculated deception to elicit sympathy while they bide their time to kill you.

In that particular conversation they were talking about Luz, who at that time was kinda an ally, or at least she was under Rogue's care in a way, so I can see why Rogue wouldn't use her powers on her without permission and I don't have a problem with it. If Luz was a hostage or a captured enemy then it would be different.

Edit: What I'm trying to get at is that Rogue now has a problem using her powers on non-combatants without permission, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that so long as said non-combatant isn't an enemy.

I don't know, but it sounds like an awesome day.

Except, Luz has lied and deceived the moment the X-Men took her with them. She only tells half-truths when she gets caught red-handed, and even then tells more half truths. I think if Rogue had used her suck power on Luz, Rogue and Magneto would have been ready for the CotV rescue strike team.

And that will help how darling?

I assume beating Scott for three hours must be exquisitely enjoyable as Emma does so when Scott makes painfully obvious comments towards Emma and any chance of her being a "good person."

Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream is tasty, and sex with Magneto and Gambit will make so many Rogue, Remy, and Magnus fans fap so much the energy used will be enough to power every electric device on Earth, for a solid year.

Teeka

10-06-2010, 10:18 AM

Thanks, mate, I'll be more careful regarding my choice of words.

Cool. Much appreciated.

So what happens??? She gets shot in the foot with some left-field moral/ethical dilemma that just replaces "no power control" as Rogue's source of woe.

In real life, that wouldn't be such a weird thing actually.

It happens quite often that when someone has had a burden/big problem/traumatic thing determining a big part of their life for a long time and then it goes away, they subconsciously replace it with a new problem.
Not because they want to, but because 'living in agony' has become their way to be, their own little world. It's too much of a change to be without that, and so their brain just comes up with "replacement-woe". That's why therapy is so important for those people, they need to take effort in setting their mindstate to 'happy' again because they sortof forgot what that's like.

...Then again, I doubt if the writers thought that far and did this intentionally.

darknessatnoon

10-06-2010, 11:06 AM

Rogue is going to die.

worstblogever

10-06-2010, 11:07 AM

Rogue is going to die.

And then come back to life. It's what the X-Men do.

ohsnapulon5000

10-06-2010, 11:08 AM

not before she "accidently" permasorbs Luz...

darknessatnoon

10-06-2010, 11:10 AM

Did you guys read even the issue? At the end it was made quite clear that Rogue will be killed next issue.

fod_xp

10-06-2010, 11:19 AM

Cool. Much appreciated.

In real life, that wouldn't be such a weird thing actually.

It happens quite often that when someone has had a burden/big problem/traumatic thing determining a big part of their life for a long time and then it goes away, they subconsciously replace it with a new problem.
Not because they want to, but because 'living in agony' has become their way to be, their own little world. It's too much of a change to be without that, and so their brain just comes up with "replacement-woe". That's why therapy is so important for those people, they need to take effort in setting their mindstate to 'happy' again because they sortof forgot what that's like.

...Then again, I doubt if the writers thought that far and did this intentionally.

I completely understand your explanation for Rogue's unwillingness to use her powers because of her emotional traumas, and if Mike Carey had made a better case for that I wouldn't have brought up the point at all. Mike Carey needs to start pimp slapping who ever is forcing deadlines on his scripts; I have noticed that his explanations in his X-books sometimes skip key logical links of rational for why the problems facing the X-Men are they way they are, but I keep feeling he is forced to skip those key explanations either because of deadlines or fearing X-fans will get bored of a "lecture." Then again, I happen to like those "lectures" because it ends up explaining why the writer chose the course of action for the plot.

Marvel, STOP FORCING DEADLINES ON YOUR WRITERS!!!

And then come back to life. It's what the X-Men do.

It's become canon, that it's a joke, and the one thing a non-X-fan and/or a non-Comic book fan in general knows it is that the X-Men die and come back to live more than Mario or Sonic, or even ****ing Mega Man!!!

not before she "accidently" permasorbs Luz...

This would be a cool way to end this issue!

Pixie_Solanas

10-06-2010, 11:26 AM

Did you guys read even the issue? At the end it was made quite clear that Rogue will be killed next issue.

I'd love to plug into that SENSE FORUM myself.

MartinRedmond

10-06-2010, 11:36 AM

Rogue wasn't gonna invade Luz's privacy. U have 2 understand, she was goin' 2 talk 2 her first. Not break in & enter, forcefully looking for an answer. Rogue can catch flies with honey, sugah.

Jason Abbadon

10-06-2010, 10:38 PM

If Jean can skirt by scot-free with the blood of a million broccoli people on her hands, I expect Luz to do the same.
That had to happen though- the Phionex Force was balancing the scales to deal with galactus destroying the Hollandaise homeworld...

drownedbyimmolation

10-07-2010, 02:44 AM

I really enjoyed this issue. New Children of the V, are great, and I hope we see a few of the expand as characters just a lil bit more. Serafina still, first and foremost, but already I am quite fond of Payaso. I want to see Rogue absorb her powers and Olvido's as well.

Anyway, the issue started off with some action, which I have missed, those sequences I thought was great. Luz, I really like, for her character flaws for as much reason as anything else. The switching between Quitado and the wedding scene, the pace felt a bit off to me.

Similarly to me liking some diversity with the personalities of the heroes in teams, I would have wished we had more opportunity to see that with COV, but they as depicted seem to come of only in one flavor. Though I suppose that arrogance was sort of necessary, and the 'Luz' twist, though nice to have a twist, did seem to lessen the threat of COV, what good is their power and technology, for lack of intelligence.

Art I wish had similar coloring to Necrosha arc.

Ah, and that review does seem a bit harsh, but I think the reviewer is a bit tired/worn out generally. As in with comics in general, like comic fatigue, the type of comic reader too who enjoys more story strong/focused comics, which I tend to think most professional reviewers do, and really one of the strengths of Legacy, is more with that is writes many characters decently. Which is more subjective cause for praise and criticism. Just that in itself, which may seem like a daft thing to praise a book for, by to one such as I, getting Magneto, getting Rogue characterization right, just right, is a huge positive. Having Loa and Anole here, just because its Loa and Anole, and not random guy one and two is a type of plus, seeing as they expand a little bit as characters, and continue to do so. The pace of the story, and dialogue and all that, important too, sure. Here I feel thats average and could be better.

Anyway, next issue I have high hopes for, I really hope Rogue gets to cut loose some, plus Luz can do something semi heroic, oh and Serafina does something cool, and doesn't die.

Prodigy55

10-07-2010, 12:37 PM

This was an awesome issue. Luz Luz Luz! She's the best new character. She's almost as awesome as Loa. The marriage story is the best. I don't care about Magneto. He should stay as a battery forever.

bubi

10-07-2010, 02:31 PM

Magneto specifically asked Rogue to absorb Luz so she could invade her privacy. Rogue has principles, she got that from Irene, not Raven, obvs. Magneto is a slimeball.

remenber Carol Denvers??
the priciples of Rogue are recents...... comes from the x-men not from Irene

darknessatnoon

10-07-2010, 02:54 PM

remenber Carol Denvers??
the priciples of Rogue are recents...... comes from the x-men not from Irene

Rogue only learned eating habits from Carol. She started to become good when she touched ROM.
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=264822

infernohara

10-07-2010, 03:34 PM

Fod, you've hit the literal nail on the head. I really couldn't figure out why I couldn't find myself enjoying Rogue like i used to...until I read this thread.

THE WOMAN HAS CHANGED!! I miss the times where she just stole people's powers without permission or used them coy like. You would think with the control she has that she shouldn't have a problem with this since supposedly she can pick and choose the powers or memories she wants. Nah, my rogue decided to give herself a handicap knowing full well she could of just syphoned a wee bit of Loa/Anole/Magneto's powers to help the team a little better. I mean we saw the power she possessed when attacking those Predator X's!!! Imagine her cleaning shop easily with the COTV. At least her defiance is still there.....Its like shes Dani Moonstar with less attitude.

fod_xp

10-07-2010, 03:46 PM

I'd love to plug into that SENSE FORUM myself.

Tell me, Agent_Torpor, what are these "SENSE FORUMS" and where may I participate in them?

Rogue wasn't gonna invade Luz's privacy. U have 2 understand, she was goin' 2 talk 2 her first. Not break in & enter, forcefully looking for an answer. Rogue can catch flies with honey, sugah.

Rogue has a fetish about honey and flies? Oooh, just wait until the X-Men hear about this one! First is was loosing her virginity to The Sentry, having one off with Magneto in the Savage Land, Having quite a few off with Remy and nearly killing him multiple times, and now engaging in foreplay for having one off with Luz.

Run, Luz, RUN!!! Rogue has her honey and flies and she wants you next!!!:eek:

Also, what does U2 have to understand about anything? They're a real live band, and have shown no interest in comic books...Oh, wait, that's more of that garbage internet short hand; edit and we'll talk turkey.

That had to happen though- the Phionex Force was balancing the scales to deal with galactus destroying the Hollandaise homeworld...

Huh???? The Phoenix was only corrupted by Jean Grey, the Phoenix force is a cosmic entity that exists in a form no mortal can truly understand or comprehend, and it's thinking process is far grander in scale than anything. Jean corrupted the Phoenix Force because she found killing billion of veggie-tales people and eating stars gave her the best vaginal orgasms, she had never known.

When Jean matured properly, the Phoenix returned to its "house:" Jean Grey. (see Grant Morrison's New X-Men)

MartinRedmond

10-07-2010, 04:20 PM

She uses honey befah vinegah.

fod_xp

10-07-2010, 04:28 PM

She uses honey befah vinegah.

Door mats have no use for either, they just get wet and sticky.

drownedbyimmolation

10-07-2010, 05:42 PM

THE WOMAN HAS CHANGED!! I miss the times where she just stole people's powers without permission or used them coy like. You would think with the control she has that she shouldn't have a problem with this since supposedly she can pick and choose the powers or memories she wants. Nah, my rogue decided to give herself a handicap knowing full well she could of just syphoned a wee bit of Loa/Anole/Magneto's powers to help the team a little better. I mean we saw the power she possessed when attacking those Predator X's!!! Imagine her cleaning shop easily with the COTV. At least her defiance is still there.....Its like shes Dani Moonstar with less attitude.

Why take their power when they have opportunity to use it better? It would have been an even dumber move for Rogue to have pulled. With Predator X, there was only one Weapon X, so she understandable she could have stacked up on powers, huge difference, and Rogue has always been adverse to taking characters powers, with a few windows now and then where she was a bit flirty and would smack a few characters with a kiss.

Perfection/Emma 2

10-07-2010, 08:40 PM

All this bad mouthing my Goddess is beyond disgusting. Rogue's gonna show U all, just wait til the final week of October. Get ready to see Rogue like never before.

Chase_Stein

10-07-2010, 08:44 PM

All this bad mouthing my Goddess is beyond disgusting. Rogue's gonna show U all, just wait til the final week of October. Get ready to see Rogue like never before.

Rogue's flirtation with Magneto needs to end. It's making her look weak and it's affecting her "skills" in combat.

Jason Abbadon

10-07-2010, 09:51 PM

Rogue only learned eating habits from Carol. She started to become good when she touched ROM.
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=264822
Damn straight!
The need to bring back Hybrid as a major X-Men foe-
he's gotten the occasional name-drop in the Avengers titles, but not in X-Men.
That fight was where Rogue first had doubts about being a villian and working under Mystique.
Plus the issue's only like a dollar!

RuaDragon

10-07-2010, 09:53 PM

Rogue's flirtation with Magneto needs to end. It's making her look weak and it's affecting her "skills" in combat.

She should nick his powers and go on a rampage, and write "I think we should see other people" with the debree.

fod_xp

10-07-2010, 10:41 PM

Rogue's flirtation with Magneto needs to end. It's making her look weak and it's affecting her "skills" in combat.

Seconded.

She should nick his powers and go on a rampage, and write "I think we should see other people" with the debree.

Seconded.

Stop with this creepy Magneto-Rogue love thing, I always did find it creepy. He's at least 80 years old, chronologically, while only being 48 (just picked a number) years old biologically. What do they actually have in common?

Magneto doesn't do well when it comes to "sharing" authority or control. It is his one fatal flaw. No matter what he says or does to "prove" he has changed, Magneto always reverts back to his true self: a mad old terrorist twat obsessed with Human genocide, and perfectly willing to kill his mutant "brothers" should they impede his goals.

Rogue, Magneto is breaking you, little by little, he is going to turn you into one of his damn Acolyte bitches.

drownedbyimmolation

10-07-2010, 11:21 PM

I'm going to throw out there, I think, that any perceived signs between Rogue and Magneto currently are overblown. Given we know Carey is pro Rogue, (pro most characters really but you know what I mean) and if anything, any interaction between Rogue and Magneto is probably meant to demonstrate how much more sure, grown up, and confident Rogue is these days, in particular around Magneto as opposed to their Savage Land days. In which it could have been in character for her to act that way she did, but she did come off a bit naive and silly.

If anything, she is giving him the cold shoulder, just contrast how she acted with Gambit to now. Carey is doing it okay though too, its not like he is writing Magneto as gagging for Rogue, but its nice to give their interaction a new angle, even if most people probably just forgot that subplot from way back, and there are other ways this could have been achieved, without the dangling of a potential romantic relationship.