Titans #26...Spoilers

[CMBMOOL]

Looks like Lian parents reunite once more...

http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album.php?aid=37295

[Psycwave]

Her gums are black. What has she been smoking on?!

[Jody Garland]

Looks wholly average. If this is what the past two issues have been, I don't get the utter hate for this book. Nice art, though.

[TonyStark1012]

I think I'm going to have to pick this up.

[marvelprince]

Looks wholly average. If this is what the past two issues have been, I don't get the utter hate for this book. Nice art, though.

Cause the book/DC is racist or some such.

[ArnoldoAAD]

Looks wholly average. If this is what the past two issues have been, I don't get the utter hate for this book. Nice art, though.

cause its boring as hell and also cause its racist

[Psycwave]

I haven't actually been following the book could someone explain to me how it's racist?

[pryde15]

I haven't actually been following the book could someone explain to me how it's racist?

Ryan Choi died in this book, which inherently makes it racist even though the writer of this title is black..

[Psycwave]

Ryan Choi died in this book, which inherently makes it racist even though the writer of this title is black..

lol that's why it's racist?! Ryan Choi sucked, good riddance.

[paulski]

Hoo boy. :eek:

<= putting his crash helmet on...

[comicboy12]

Ryan Choi died in this book, which inherently makes it racist even though the writer of this title is black..

Yes because we all know different minority groups can't possibly be racist against each other. (/sarcasm)

Anyway please don't misconstrue the other side of the debate. No said DC or the writer of the series is racist. The problem is that DC sent one it's few (very few) Asian superheroes to be slaughtered for the propose of making and team with already establish ruthless villains seem more dangerous
(wow, great job, you killed the atom (/sarcasm))

Anyway that's all I'm gonna say on the issue, it's a hot topic debate but has nothing to due with this issue.

[ryerye17]

This whole Ryan Choi killing being racist has been discussed and debated on for months. NO DISCUSSION OF WHICH HAS BEEN FRUITFUL. We've moved past that. Let's move past that. Push this discussion forward. Posts will be deleted.

[ArnoldoAAD]

i was just kidding
nor the book or DC are obviously racist but the way Ryan died on Titans was really uncalled for and unjustified
for those who doesnt know, Ryan was beaten up in his own house by all the Titans team, stabbed in the heart and then put into a match box just for fun and to show how ¨badass¨ Slade team is
and a huge number of ppl, even those who werent fans of Ryan mark it as racist cause DC was getting rid of an unused minority to make space to the return of Ray Palmer who is white

obviously is really hard to enjoy a series that will spend part of the plot in trying to justify Ryan´s death as part of the big plan of Slade and is doing it, even if you didnt like the character its annoing
and Osiris is really disappointing cause he moved from the intriguing character of 52 to Superboy-Prime 2 in no time

bottomline
dont buy this

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Its been pretty decent. They used Choi's death to basically hook readers to the series. The art is basically un-even a lot. The story is ok. Not the greatest ...and not the worst.

[Wilder Midnight]

i gave the series a few issues... ryan choi could have lived or died...that's not an issue with me. just don't like how things are shaping up. the newer characters are boring, the older characters are being used ineffectively ...all of it to make slade look better. the art has been good but inconsistent. i'm done. at 3 and 4 bucks a pop i need to make space for something else.

[Free-Man]

*Yawns*

More boring boring boring angst. Because angst was totally missing from the Teen Titans franchise before.

And both the art and the writing on this book are shit. Wallace seems to have no idea on how to transition. It's always jarring when the book cuts from scene to scene.

[TonyStark1012]

Bought the issue today and I have to say I enjoyed it. I picked it up to see what they were going to do with Roy and now that he is on the team I'll give a chance and keep going with it.

[Angelo2113]

I apologize for the language, but Arsenal looks really BAD A$$! I was actually thinking of getting this when it came out in trade paperback. Titans and Teen Titans, when J.T. Krul joins, seems like they're going to be really good from now and in the future.

I hope Jason Todd/Red Hood joins Deathstroke's team. I really hope Garth/Tempest comes back from the dead and joins the team. Killing off Garth to bring in this Jackson Hyde, probably Black Manta's son or something, isn't really making me like the new Aqualad.

[Free-Man]

I hope Jason Todd/Red Hood joins Deathstroke's team. I really hope Garth/Tempest comes back from the dead and joins the team. Killing off Garth to bring in this Jackson Hyde, probably Black Manta's son or something, isn't really making me like the new Aqualad.

Why would they have had to kill off Tempest to make room for the new Aqualad? He hadn't called himself "Aqualad" since the 90's.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Ya know, killing Atom actually makes sense now.

Because anyone actually reading this series now wouldn't know that it's about a team of highly ruthless and dangerous characters. Not with the way they screw up...

[Skaddix]

Tempest was killed in Blackest Night to develop Mera, it had nothing to do with new Aqualad who was developed later. Garth hasn't been Aqualad in over a decade.

Anyway people say Titans is racist because they killed Choi who is one of DC's few asian heroes to bring back the original atom who is white. On top of that DC's most diverse team consisting of the most minorities now that Teen Titans has been whitewashed was responsible for killing him. Besides it is not like we didn't know DeathStroke was badass and his team needed to kill someone to boost their cred.

[Free-Man]

Tempest was killed in Blackest Night to develop Mera, it had nothing to do with new Aqualad who was developed later. Garth hasn't been Aqualad in over a decade.

Anyway people say Titans is racist because they killed Choi who is one of DC's few asian heroes to bring back the original atom who is white. On top of that DC's most diverse team consisting of the most minorities now that Teen Titans has been whitewashed was responsible for killing him. Besides it is not like we didn't know DeathStroke was badass and his team needed to kill someone to boost their cred.

I don't think anyone here was actually asserting that DC is racist. While I call bull on Wallace's spiel about how "race never even occured to me" when he was writing it, I certainly don't think it was racially motivated, and I'd prefer to squash this here before it gets out of hand again. The mods have already said their piece as well.

[Skaddix]

sorry i meant racially insensitive.

[Angelo2113]

Why would they have had to kill off Tempest to make room for the new Aqualad? He hadn't called himself "Aqualad" since the 90's.


Tempest was killed in Blackest Night to develop Mera, it had nothing to do with new Aqualad who was developed later. Garth hasn't been Aqualad in over a decade.

I understand that he hasn't called himself Aqualad since his mini-series where he becomes Tempest.

I feel that DC isn't appreciating the Aqua Family, especially Tempest. And I see it as since they killed of Tempest that they're going to need a new Aqualad/Aquaman's right hand man to the reborn Aquaman. Almost erasing any stories previous to Blackest Night, especially Tempest becoming the new King of Atlantis. (Who two appearances later, gets killed off.)

I don't think killing Tempest in Blackest Night was to develop Mera's character. She didn't need Tempest to die in order to develop her character.

[celticguy]

Ya know, killing Atom actually makes sense now.

Because anyone actually reading this series now wouldn't know that it's about a team of highly ruthless and dangerous characters. Not with the way they screw up...

well they are 1 -0 against foes the size of a match.

[Skaddix]

Maybe your right but based on your points that means that Tempest was killed for Aquaman then not Aqualad. Right now if your a former sidekick who has replaced your mentor, you can expect to be killed or put on a bus in short order. Aqua Family is pretty much getting a reboot at this point along with most of the big seven and green arrow. I mean we had Green Lantern, Flash, now we are doing Green Arrow, Aquaman, and Martian Manhunter.

[The Cool Thatguy]

I'd bet that Tempest was killed for the same reason Damage and Ryan were killed.

DC seems intent on scuttling any characters who seem remotely redundant. That's why Roy was made into a villain, why Aquaman's sidekick was killed (along with Dolphin for Mera), why there are no plans for Mia, why Cassandra Cain has disappeared, Damage killed to make Atom Smasher more important, etc.

As opposed to contrasting said characters, they simply get snuffed or shoved off-panel (those not lucky enough to be part of a larger organization like the GLs, that is).

[Skaddix]

Yeah, GL Corps and ring bearers in general are the only group where it is cool and okay to have multiple characters with the same powers.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Yeah, GL Corps and ring bearers in general are the only group where it is cool and okay to have multiple characters with the same powers.

And Flashes, though I suspect that's simply because Johns has them reserved for himself.

[Skaddix]

Yeah, Johns pretty much has to like the character and then they get immunity from death and a pretty good push with new Aqualad winning the reward for greatest push in recent history if not an all history although Pixie and x-23 are pretty close over at marvel minus the TV show.

[ayof]

When Conan O'Brien's late night show launches this comic would make a good subject for his opening monologue.

[KnightErrantJR]

I picked this up, and I wasn't really planning on it, since I got the Atom Execution Special and it didn't do much for me at all.

Still, after seeing Deathstroke in Action, I decided I needed to check back in on Slade, since I really like the guy.

Then again, I really like the guy when he's being a bad ass villain and not playing mister cryptic with a team of people that do . . . stuff . . . for some reason.

I'm sure under some circumstances a drug made out of children could be unveiled with more drama, but it was just like . . . really? It was just kind of, I don't know, overload. The moment didn't really have any drama, it was just "hey, these guys are REALLY evil."

I'm probably biased, because I've been actively following Secret Six, but Cheshire just didn't work for me in this book. I realize that this was about her interacting with Roy, but really, no mention of the other child she just lost. I mean, I fully expected Cheshire to be in shut down mode for years after that double whammy.

Not to mention, she's a bit more empathetic in this issue. The feeling I got from her in Secret Six was, she's devastated from loosing her kids, but she could care less about any one else's. She just seemed that cold hearted, which made me wonder why she suddenly seems to have redeeming qualities.

Roy . . . ah forget it, not worth it.

Osiris also felt off to me. He wasn't always a prince, and yet he's acting like he was raised as royalty and expects the world to revolve around him. I would have gotten it if he was just fixated on freeing his sister, but his references to being a prince made him sound less focussed and more entitled.

Probably not going to pick up another issue unless something very major breaks loose.

[Free-Man]

I picked this up, and I wasn't really planning on it, since I got the Atom Execution Special and it didn't do much for me at all.

Still, after seeing Deathstroke in Action, I decided I needed to check back in on Slade, since I really like the guy.

Then again, I really like the guy when he's being a bad ass villain and not playing mister cryptic with a team of people that do . . . stuff . . . for some reason.

I'm sure under some circumstances a drug made out of children could be unveiled with more drama, but it was just like . . . really? It was just kind of, I don't know, overload. The moment didn't really have any drama, it was just "hey, these guys are REALLY evil."

I'm probably biased, because I've been actively following Secret Six, but Cheshire just didn't work for me in this book. I realize that this was about her interacting with Roy, but really, no mention of the other child she just lost. I mean, I fully expected Cheshire to be in shut down mode for years after that double whammy.

Not to mention, she's a bit more empathetic in this issue. The feeling I got from her in Secret Six was, she's devastated from loosing her kids, but she could care less about any one else's. She just seemed that cold hearted, which made me wonder why she suddenly seems to have redeeming qualities.

Roy . . . ah forget it, not worth it.

Osiris also felt off to me. He wasn't always a prince, and yet he's acting like he was raised as royalty and expects the world to revolve around him. I would have gotten it if he was just fixated on freeing his sister, but his references to being a prince made him sound less focussed and more entitled.

Probably not going to pick up another issue unless something very major breaks loose.

I'm going to guess that there was very little planning going on between Secret Six and Titans, which you're right, does make Cheshire's suddenly redeeming portrayal seem off. Is she legitmately worried about the missing kids?

And was Roy at least written as a funny junkie? Ya know, like that guy from Chappelle's Show?

[Babos]

I'm intrigued, but is Roy using or not? If he is after the "Fall of Arsenal" (not really a Rise IMHO), they way Cheshire said, then I'm displeased. However, I like Deathstroke & Osiris so I am torn.

[jAWSH!]

I honestly don't understand the severe butt-hurt some folks get from this series.

Is it bland? No question.

I'm giving this one more issue to get good. I love Ink (formerly known as Tattooed Man) and Cinder.

Osiris is a little bit of a bitch right now. However, he has Black Adam and Isis in his room. I'm still intrigued.

The art is pretty cool. I like the style a lot, and that's part of why the books going to be on my pull list a little longer.

[marvelprince]

I understand that he hasn't called himself Aqualad since his mini-series where he becomes Tempest.

I feel that DC isn't appreciating the Aqua Family, especially Tempest. And I see it as since they killed of Tempest that they're going to need a new Aqualad/Aquaman's right hand man to the reborn Aquaman. Almost erasing any stories previous to Blackest Night, especially Tempest becoming the new King of Atlantis. (Who two appearances later, gets killed off.)

I don't think killing Tempest in Blackest Night was to develop Mera's character. She didn't need Tempest to die in order to develop her character.

I don't think Tempest death had anything to do with Mera or Jackson. They just wanted to kill him off. He's a big enough character in the Aqua mythos to have an impact among fans, plus he's close enough to the characters to have an impact on them when he kicks it. He was just expendable.

[ArnoldoAAD]

I was weak and bought the issue for the white lantern cover =(

i dont have much to say about the issue
im still disappointed with all the characters, i had high hopes for all of them and none are at all what i expected
i loved TM in FCA:INK but that character is gone
the same for Osiris, he was intersting in 52 and even in BD0 now he is another superboy-prime in progress

on this chp Arsenal appears and his characterization was dull at best
on RoA he was a crazy Junkie but here is completely someone else he is not here not there

and there is one thing that it did piss me off on the issue
Chesire tells Roy that he owns her the favor of helping her to kill slade for the death of Lian

thats not true, infact thats the reason of the fight in RoA3
she was never a mother, and he would never admit that he owns anything to her for the death of Lian
and it seems extremely odd that after the death of his son on S6 she is only focused on Lian, she was more a motherly character to him than to Lian the all dirrection is completely forced to put Arsenal on he team but the justification of it is not good at all

other than that the issue is not memorable at all
i give it a 4/10 being generous

[AaronJ]

I honestly don't understand the severe butt-hurt some folks get from this series.

Is it bland? No question.

I'm giving this one more issue to get good. I love Ink (formerly known as Tattooed Man) and Cinder.

Osiris is a little bit of a bitch right now. However, he has Black Adam and Isis in his room. I'm still intrigued.

The art is pretty cool. I like the style a lot, and that's part of why the books going to be on my pull list a little longer.

This is basically how I feel. Not great, not terrible either, though. It's just sort of there, and improvements needs to be made.

But the reaction by some has been insanely over-the-top.

[Free-Man]

Ya know, killing Atom actually makes sense now.

Because anyone actually reading this series now wouldn't know that it's about a team of highly ruthless and dangerous characters. Not with the way they screw up...

Lemme guess. They went on ANOTHER poorly explained mission that ended with them being ambushed? Wasn't that the plot of the last two issues?

[The Cool Thatguy]

I'm intrigued, but is Roy using or not? If he is after the "Fall of Arsenal" (not really a Rise IMHO), they way Cheshire said, then I'm displeased. However, I like Deathstroke & Osiris so I am torn.

Of course he's using. The story arc where it was revealed he did drugs is one of his most remembered stories. Therefor, it should define Roy for the rest of his career.

[ffaristocrat]

At least Roy appears to have some long-term agenda going into this and he's not just randomly turning evil.

There needs to be some sort of pay-off or indication that there'll be a pay-off soon or it's not going to keep my attention, much less my money.

Of course, before the revamp, Titans had precisely zero of my attention so it's got that going for it.

[celticguy]

I'd bet that Tempest was killed for the same reason Damage and Ryan were killed.

DC seems intent on scuttling any characters who seem remotely redundant. That's why Roy was made into a villain, why Aquaman's sidekick was killed (along with Dolphin for Mera), why there are no plans for Mia, why Cassandra Cain has disappeared, Damage killed to make Atom Smasher more important, etc.

As opposed to contrasting said characters, they simply get snuffed or shoved off-panel (those not lucky enough to be part of a larger organization like the GLs, that is).

The JLA used to have that no duplicate powers rule maybe the company is taking it serious.

Their are a bunch of GL and the Bat and supes family are still strong and a few others but yeah I suppose the world does not need a lot of Atoms and fishmen. Killing them off for that reason is stupid though characters can be mothballed without killing them off. Does not mean it was not the reason just a stupid one IMO if it is the reason.

[Kiryu]

The JLA used to have that no duplicate powers rule maybe the company is taking it serious.

Their are a bunch of GL and the Bat and supes family are still strong and a few others but yeah I suppose the world does not need a lot of Atoms and fishmen. Killing them off for that reason is stupid though characters can be mothballed without killing them off. Does not mean it was not the reason just a stupid one IMO if it is the reason.

Have uh, Mera or Aquaman reacted to Tempest's death at all in Brightest Day? Or like the rest of the DCU do they just not care about the lives the BL's claimed.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Have uh, Mera or Aquaman reacted to Tempest's death at all in Brightest Day? Or like the rest of the DCU do they just not care about the lives the BL's claimed.

There was some lip service (Aquaman bemoaning why he's alive and Garth isn't), but that's about it.

Frankly, I think they missed an opportunity. They could have mothballed Garth as a retired family man with his own kingdom, and contrast him with Aquaman who has nothing. The fact that his sidekick has found happiness while he's still struggling is alot more compelling than "Well, I wish he weren't dead, but eh..."

[celticguy]

Have uh, Mera or Aquaman reacted to Tempest's death at all in Brightest Day? Or like the rest of the DCU do they just not care about the lives the BL's claimed.

did you mean to quote me you don't seem to be respondig to what I posted or I don't see the connection at any rate.

[celticguy]

There was some lip service (Aquaman bemoaning why he's alive and Garth isn't), but that's about it.

Frankly, I think they missed an opportunity. They could have mothballed Garth as a retired family man with his own kingdom, and contrast him with Aquaman who has nothing. The fact that his sidekick has found happiness while he's still struggling is alot more compelling than "Well, I wish he weren't dead, but eh..."

That is what I don't get there are a bunch of ways of moving characters off stage without killing them. It leaves them handy if anyone wants them.

[dupersuper]

Ok...so far their plan to kill Deathstroke involves Roy "I never miss" Harper intentionally NOT killing him while his back was turned...


That is what I don't get there are a bunch of ways of moving characters off stage without killing them. It leaves them handy if anyone wants them.

That would be sensible though.

[KnightErrantJR]

Ok...so far their plan to kill Deathstroke involves Roy "I never miss" Harper intentionally NOT killing him while his back was turned...


It wasn't the Right Time, as predetermined by Cheshire's internal revenge clock. Or something. :wink: