Ultimate Iron Man

[wades_chupracabra]

When will the Marvel Universe get a decent Ultimate Iron Man series?

Don't get me wrong, it was interesting to read about a young version of Tony Stark, but then that series ended and suddenly he is all grown up in all of the other Ultimate books?
Not only do I wish someone would write a good Ultimate Iron Man book, but I also wish that who ever does it writes one where Stark doesn't get the living piss kicked out of him EVERY time he gets in a fight.
Just once cant he kick some ass? It just gets to a point where I don't even want to read the next issue where he ends up beaten.

It is called ups and downs. Events should have a better balance of good and bad.

[Minerboh]

I agree with you. I red the Ultimate Iron Man and i was confused, it was a pretty messed up story (Smurf Tony:confused:). And when they are going to give him a decent armor? This pile of junk he's wearing doesn't look attractive one single bit!

[TonyStark1012]

I've enjoyed all the mini's so far, but I really do want an Ultimate Iron Man book. I would love it if Warren Ellis would write it. Ultimate Armor Wars was great. I think he writes Ultimate Tony like no one else.

[Phelpzy]

I've enjoyed all the mini's so far, but I really do want an Ultimate Iron Man book. I would like it if Warren Ellis would write it. Ultimate Armor Wars was great. I think he writes Ultimate Tony like no one else.

Agree with you 100% about Ellis having a full time Ultimate Iron Man book. I've enjoyed everything thats been written about this version of Tony, well besides Ultimates 3 and Ultimatum. And to the guy who said the Ultimate Iron Man suit's designs sucks, It looks amazing and feels more realistic

[CSM101]

the fact that it feels more realistic doesn't change the fact that it looks like crap. especially when you see some of the regular style armours in one of the Ultimate Spidey comics

[Phelpzy]

the fact that it feels more realistic doesn't change the fact that it looks like crap. especially when you see some of the regular style armours in one of the Ultimate Spidey comics

Dude, The Armor doesnt look like crap, I actually like it a hell of alot, i mean its no extremis or bleeding edge but its still awesome looking

[TonyStark1012]

I find alot of people don't like the ultimate armor but I think it's pretty cool. I enjoy the armor. The only thing I don't like is that it takes quite an effort for Tony to get it on. On another note, I don't know how true it is, but I heard the reason Tony is wearing a new armor in Ultimate Comics New Ultimates is because the ultimate armor is very difficult for Cho to draw.

[Bzing1]

On the topic of Ultimate Iron Man, Millar recently said this on his forums: "Ultimate Iron Man is a TV show that Tony licensed out in the Ultimate Universe. Only the Tony stuff I write is canon. Seriously. This is all explained in book 4 when we get the origin of Gregory etc"
Opinions?

[Ironman2978]

On the topic of Ultimate Iron Man, Millar recently said this on his forums: "Ultimate Iron Man is a TV show that Tony licensed out in the Ultimate Universe. Only the Tony stuff I write is canon. Seriously. This is all explained in book 4 when we get the origin of Gregory etc"
Opinions?

where was that beacuse didn't Mark say in his fourm that Ultimate Iron Man happened and Tony did something to make Rhodey angry enough that they aren't friends anymore but they justy didn't talk about and he used Ultimate Iron Man when Tony used Nanites in Ultmate Human, Ultimates 2, and a few other comics outside Ultimate Iron Man?

[The Gorn Identity]

On the topic of Ultimate Iron Man, Millar recently said this on his forums: "Ultimate Iron Man is a TV show that Tony licensed out in the Ultimate Universe. Only the Tony stuff I write is canon. Seriously. This is all explained in book 4 when we get the origin of Gregory etc"
Opinions?Well, that's awesome if true! Do you have a link to that quote? I'd like to read the entire thing in context. Damn, I cannot wait for Ultimate Avengers 4. I've been dying for the Tony/Gregory confrontation since UA started.

[SpideyZERO]

I love the Ultimate armor, it looks cool and different

And I do enjoy Ellis's Armor Wars. It's a shame that it was too short. It should have been an on going

[Bzing1]

http://forums.millarworld.tv/index.php?showtopic=94405&st=0

Its on this page

[Samorai_black]

http://forums.millarworld.tv/index.php?showtopic=94405&st=0

Its on this page

That is some really good news!

[wades_chupracabra]

The Ultimate Armor wars would have been a great ongoing series but they could only make it 4 issues?!
I mean when you really think about it there are so many enemies Stark has that could have been used in a full series called 'Armor Wars.'
Would have been a cool concept.

[The Gorn Identity]

http://forums.millarworld.tv/index.php?showtopic=94405&st=0

Its on this pageAwesome. Thanks for providing the link, Bzing! I love Millar's disavowing Card's Ultimate Iron Man.

[UltimateMarvel Dude]

What's _so_ bad about Ultimate Iron-Man 1+2 ?

[BrotherUnitNo_4]

I much preferred Rhodey as a genius in his own right than Millar's gung-ho military knucklehead.

[Whitster]

What's _so_ bad about Ultimate Iron-Man 1+2 ?

They were written by an extremely conservative, religious zealot, homophobe?

[Plawsky]

http://forums.millarworld.tv/index.php?showtopic=94405&st=0

Its on this page

As much as I love Millar, I really don't know how I feel about this if that's serious. I, personally, thought the Ultimate Iron Man minis were great when I first read them. I understand that they don't really fit perfectly with established canon, but they don't exactly contradict it either. It just seems kind of dickish of him to outright say "your work isn't canon." I'm sure it's not that simple, and that the editors have approved it, but that's just lame if you ask me.


They were written by an extremely conservative, religious zealot, homophobe?

And that makes them bad? You don't have to like or agree with a person to enjoy their work. Michael Jackson was creepy as all hell; John Lennon treated his first wife Cynthia like garbage; John Mayer is apparently a jerk in his real life - yet I still love all their music. Adolf Hitler could have written a good comic and I would support it. I'm here for the stories, not the authors.

[Samorai_black]

I have read the 2 Ulitmate Iron man minis I loved the frist one but didnt care much for the second one.(As for the author i dont care what his personal beliefs are as they did not have anything to do with the minis) It would have been cool to see Tony in that light of how he had to be in the special blue armor all the time another difference from 616 Iron man. But as of now I feel its too late we have seen Tony out of his iron man armor and even a little of his day to day life and there has been no reference for his need or past use of that blue armor other then in the minis.

But at the same time if there was a pretty good reason as to why he doesnt need it or maybe he is still using it im all for it. In the end though im am fine wiht Millar sayign it was a Tv show or whatever he wants.

[pgtyner]

Why do people have to label other people who might have adopted some moral compass as "homophobes":confused:.....and what:confused: does that have to do with good comic writing?.....the world is made up of people with different views.....if you don't like the views expressed disagreeing or expressing a different view is a lot different than just throwing out trash talk.

[Bzing1]

Update from Millar, in response to someone asking something along the lines of "didn't you say Ultimate Iron Man was canon about a year ago" he responded:
"Yes. I hadn't read the minis at that point and not keen on the healing factor, etc, so writing it out. There's also a few continuity glitches in there from Ultimates so I feel quite happy about tying it up neatly and having that mini in its own little TV universe. It was well written, of course, but this seems a neat way of streamlining everything."

[BrotherUnitNo_4]

Update from Millar, in response to someone asking something along the lines of "didn't you say Ultimate Iron Man was canon about a year ago" he responded:
"Yes. I hadn't read the minis at that point and not keen on the healing factor, etc, so writing it out. There's also a few continuity glitches in there from Ultimates so I feel quite happy about tying it up neatly and having that mini in its own little TV universe. It was well written, of course, but this seems a neat way of streamlining everything."

I kinda felt from the moment he introduced Ultimate War Machine that he ignored everything that came from the minis, good and bad, which is REALLY disappointing.

I really can't stand the current Rhodey.

[Plawsky]

I kinda felt from the moment he introduced Ultimate War Machine that he ignored everything that came from the minis, good and bad, which is REALLY disappointing.

I really can't stand the current Rhodey.

I agree. I don't think there were really any blatant continuity errors (aside from Tony's healing factor, which isn't really a contradiction) until Ultimate Avengers when we saw Rhodes' name changed to Nick. That contradiction is entirely Millar's fault, and it was completely unnecessary. Not to mention that Millar had said that it was the same Rhodes we saw before, but now he's apparently saying he hasn't even read the original minis.

It's like an improv game in theatre class; you're not supposed to ever say "no." No matter what the other actor says or does, you go along with it.

I get that Millar introduced Ultimate Tony, but other people should be allowed to develop him. It's just not fair for him to say other writers' work isn't valid. He easily could have just written away the healing factor, which I can understand why he didn't want to keep, rather than saying it never existed.

[pgtyner]

I think if the Marvel Editors are doing their job, then a story that comes out labeled as "Ultimate" is canon in the Ultimate Universe....It might be different than Millar's vison...but he isn't writng everything in the Ultimate Universe....is he??

[UltimateMarvel Dude]

General question:

In UFF Marvel zombies arc, we get to know that the virus only infects those who have superpowers- but what superpowers does Tony Stark(616 and UU) have besides being able to get into a suit?

[striderhirryu2]

As much as I love Millar, I really don't know how I feel about this if that's serious. I, personally, thought the Ultimate Iron Man minis were great when I first read them. I understand that they don't really fit perfectly with established canon, but they don't exactly contradict it either. It just seems kind of dickish of him to outright say "your work isn't canon." I'm sure it's not that simple, and that the editors have approved it, but that's just lame if you ask me.



And that makes them bad? You don't have to like or agree with a person to enjoy their work. Michael Jackson was creepy as all hell; John Lennon treated his first wife Cynthia like garbage; John Mayer is apparently a jerk in his real life - yet I still love all their music. Adolf Hitler could have written a good comic and I would support it. I'm here for the stories, not the authors.

As long as their views don't seep into the work I can see that. Question is, does it?

[Plawsky]

As long as their views don't seep into the work I can see that. Question is, does it?

I agree with that. But I don't recall anything off-putting about Card's minis. I wouldn't be able to read it and say "Oh wow, this guy is an extremely conservative religious zealot."

At the same time, writers should, to a point, put their views behind their work, just not to the point to where it affects the story.

[amharner]

Card's minis were stories that showed no interest in playing along with the ultimate universe.

They were well written...but glaringly out of place.

I salute Miller for going this route.

[Ironman2978]

General question:

In UFF Marvel zombies arc, we get to know that the virus only infects those who have superpowers- but what superpowers does Tony Stark(616 and UU) have besides being able to get into a suit?

Supergenius

nanotechnology/extremis

[The Gorn Identity]

In my view, Tony Stark has no business with superpowers such as healing factors, neural tissue spread throughout his body, or 616's extremis enhanced abilities. I'm glad Millar has retconned Card's Ultimate Iron Man minis out of continuity. The beauty of the Ultimate version of Tony Stark is that he is simply a man (with no extraordinary powers) operating an extraordinary suit.

[pgtyner]

Millar couldn't retcon it out because then Ultimate Human wouldn't have taken place....and that was AWESOME!:biggrin: And Millar is a writer not the editor....he can't say what is canon....well I guess he could say but it doesn't make it so.:cool:

[pgtyner]

I think a good example of how STUPID retconning is.....all of the 616 Spiderman stuff for the last 2+ years!!:confused: I can still only shout....
....WHYYYYYYYYY!:evilangry:

[SpeedofLife]

What's going to happen is that in the fourth arc someone (probably Tony) is going to explicitly mention a TV series that was about Iron Man's origin that is completely fictional. Then it will be an official retcon, rather then just Millar saying it's not canon on his message board.

What really bothers me is that Ultimate Iron Man 1+2 would have been *easy* to reconcile with Ultimate Avengers. For example, Rhodey could be the jerk that he is because he's still bitter about his girlfriend getting killed by Tony's mom. Gregory Stark could be Tony's half-brother (same-father). Tony's brain tumor could be caused by his mom shooting him in the head (maybe it never grew back right). Lastly, the healing factor could be easily written out (just say that it diminished over time)

Point it, Millar's being lazy

[The Gorn Identity]

I don't think he's being lazy. He's merely liberating himself so that he can tell the story of Tony's past the way he wants to tell it.

[Frank]

I agree. I don't think there were really any blatant continuity errors (aside from Tony's healing factor, which isn't really a contradiction) until Ultimate Avengers when we saw Rhodes' name changed to Nick. That contradiction is entirely Millar's fault, and it was completely unnecessary. Not to mention that Millar had said that it was the same Rhodes we saw before, but now he's apparently saying he hasn't even read the original minis.

It's like an improv game in theatre class; you're not supposed to ever say "no." No matter what the other actor says or does, you go along with it.

I get that Millar introduced Ultimate Tony, but other people should be allowed to develop him. It's just not fair for him to say other writers' work isn't valid. He easily could have just written away the healing factor, which I can understand why he didn't want to keep, rather than saying it never existed.

It's one thing to further develop a character. It's another to make him some sort of techno super-intelligent mutant.

I have not seen one writer write Ultimate Tony the way Millar was doing it. What made the character interesting, his brashness, was what made him tick.

[Frank]

Millar couldn't retcon it out because then Ultimate Human wouldn't have taken place....and that was AWESOME!:biggrin: And Millar is a writer not the editor....he can't say what is canon....well I guess he could say but it doesn't make it so.:cool:

He created the character.

[SpeedofLife]

He created the character.

Technically,he didn't. Bendis did.

Not that it matters, anyway. Creators do not have exclusive rights over the development of their characters, as long as they allow other people to use them

[pgtyner]

Millar and Bendis wrote about the characters....they don't own the characters when they step off the projects and other author's take up the reigns they will add to what has been written. Millar is NOT the final authority on the Ultimate Ironman and it is the editors that have the final say in canon. If Millar doesn't ever want to see someone else add to his babies then he will have to commit to them long term....which I doubt he can considering all that he has on his plate.

[pgtyner]

The 616 Ironman might not have "powers" but the Ultimate one does....live with it and move on. In the paraphrased words of the Ultimate Gwen Stacy...we all have to find what our power is and be good at it or be replaced. Tony Stark's is that he is the biggest brain in the Ultimate Universe, nanites are an added power (like an exoskeleton - i.e. suit of armor), healing well a few people in the universe isn't gonna kill us....or is it?

[The Gorn Identity]

Millar is NOT the final authority on the Ultimate Ironman and it is the editors that have the final say in canon.I'm sure the editor(s) will defer to what Millar has to say about Stark's past.


The 616 Ironman might not have "powers" but the Ultimate one does....live with it and move on.Not anymore. Not after Ultimate Avengers 4 comes out. :wink:

[CSM101]

In my view, Tony Stark has no business with superpowers such as healing factors, neural tissue spread throughout his body, or 616's extremis enhanced abilities. I'm glad Millar has retconned Card's Ultimate Iron Man minis out of continuity. The beauty of the Ultimate version of Tony Stark is that he is simply a man (with no extraordinary powers) operating an extraordinary suit.

let's not forget the brain tumor

[The Gorn Identity]

I'd say the brain tumor is the "ultimate" version of 616-Tony's damaged heart.

[striderhirryu2]

But the tumor didn't force him to lug around a car battery to keep himself alive

[TonyStark1012]

It's one thing to further develop a character. It's another to make him some sort of techno super-intelligent mutant.

I have not seen one writer write Ultimate Tony the way Millar was doing it. What made the character interesting, his brashness, was what made him tick.

Then you really need to read Ellis's take on him! I don't see what the problem is with Tony being different from his 616 counterpart. I prefer my Tony normal but isn't the point of the Ultimate Version's of characters to be different than the original version.

[Sparrowsabre7]

I don't mind Tony being different, but the idea that he has to apply that weird bio-armour all the time seems kinda silly, plus it's not like it really ADDS to his character, if anything giving him a healing factor (which in itself I still think its bananas) AND neural tissue everywhere it just kinda makes you go "ok that's all great an' all but what's the point?"

I did like UIM (2 in particular) but I can understand why some aspects are unnecessary, I still liked the Rhodey stuff in it though, I hope that's retained, I'd like to see how their relationship went sour.

On a vaguely related note where does Armour Wars fit in relation to Avengers and Ultimates? Avengers begins 3 weeks after Ultimatum and Ultimates 6 months or so, but Armour Wars seems to happen right after more or less, which would make sense, because then Tony's grief is not just Wolverine related but also the events at the end of UAW.

[pgtyner]

I personally feel that if Millar goes and tries to make the past all Hollywood for the Ultimate Ironman then it really shows his lack of talent as a writer...this goes back to why I quite the 616 Spiderman....Quesada's idea that it's too hard to come up with cool stories with a married Spiderman so let's have him make a deal with the devil and make it easy to shovel out rehashed Spiderman ideas from the 70's when Peter was single. Why can't he develope the character and use events to play against the Ultimate Tony that would never have been an issue for the 616 version....isn't that why we are over here at the Ultimate universe.....for something different.:confused:

[BrotherUnitNo_4]

...AND neural tissue everywhere it just kinda makes you go "ok that's all great an' all but what's the point?"


Isn't that technically brain cancer?