Which "Gauntlet" revamps do you most want to be reversed?

[Billium 3]

Well, the Gauntlet has already come and gone, and throughout the story-line, old villains were given new motivations, new looks, power upgrades, and experienced new turning points in their lives, among other things. Some of these changes worked really well for some characters, like the Rhino, but not so well for others, in my opinion. Who would you most like to see go back to the way things were for them?

My vote would have to be for the Vulture and/or Electro.

For me, there can only be one, true Vulture, and that's Adrian Toomes. As for Electro, I think the scars were a lame addition to Electro's appearance, and would prefer the mask anyday.

How about you guys? What sayest you?

[Jim Thompson]

Well, the Gauntlet has already come and gone, and throughout the story-line, old villains were given new motivations, new looks, power upgrades, and experienced new turning points in their lives, among other things. Some of these changes worked really well for some characters, like the Rhino, but not so well for others, in my opinion. Who would you most like to see go back to the way things were for them?

My vote would have to be for the Vulture and/or Electro.

For me, there can only be one, true Vulture, and that's Adrian Toomes. As for Electro, I think the scars were a lame addition to Electro's appearance, and would prefer the mask anyday.

How about you guys? What sayest you?Put Kraven back in the ground. No reason for that character to come back.

[Regulus B.]

Put Kraven back in the ground. No reason for that character to come back.

What, and leave poor Ana orphaned? :tongue:

[MisterSmith]

Yeah I'd say we could use a return of the classic Vulture, the new one just didn't do it for me. Electro was fine, personally, though I really do miss his old goofy look.

[Jim Thompson]

What, and leave poor Ana orphaned? :tongue:You bet. :biggrin:

[Will.S]

Yeah I'd say we could use a return of the classic Vulture, the new one just didn't do it for me. Electro was fine, personally, though I really do miss his old goofy look.
Same here.

I would reverse Lizard's lame R-Complex ability though, that just leads to stupidity. I wasn't too fond of him killing his own son and the weird "lizard hair" thing he had going on either.

[ChargerKB]

You guys do realize that Electro's scars are just his mask burnt into his face, right?

It's just a modern interpretation of his original design, not some massive reboot.

[stillanerd]

I really don't care for Electro's scared face look either and I also don't really see the need for Kraven the Hunter to be back. However, those two pale in comparison to what's happened with:

1. The Lizard--as if him eating Billy Connors wasn't bad enough, Curt Connors ends up "dead" and thus wrecks the whole "Jekyll and Hyde" aspect, then he mutates into having a ridiculous proto-feather spikey "hair-do" (which ends up getting covered up with a hood anyway, thus further making it pointless), develops the power to turn people into rabid and horny savages, and then becomes the leader a underground sewer-dwelling cult. Really damaged the character, IMO.

2. Doctor Octopus--even though technically not a Gauntlet revamp, it's just an awful, AWFUL new character-design for Doc Ock. From having four extra tentacles which then conflicts with his own nom de plume (something which even Spidey himself points out) to his metallic diaper suit. Hopefully, if the cover for issue #647 is anything to go by, he'll be getting a better look in Origin of the Speices because right now, he literally looks like mummified crap.

[Will.S]

2. Doctor Octopus--even though technically not a Gauntlet revamp, it's just an awful, AWFUL new character-design for Doc Ock. From having four extra tentacles which then conflicts with his own nom de plume (something which even Spidey himself points out) to his metallic diaper suit. Hopefully, if the cover for issue #647 is anything to go by, he'll be getting a better look in Origin of the Speices because right now, he literally looks like mummified crap.
I agree but it's definitely some temporary development.

[stillanerd]

I agree but it's definitely some temporary development.

Oh sure. Also, I wasn't opposed to idea of that he's succumbing to the constant physical punishment and radiation sickness he's endured over the years, either. It's the over-all current appearance I can't stand.

[Regulus B.]

You bet. :biggrin:

Come on! Think of the children!

[stewart48]

What, and leave poor Ana orphaned? :tongue:

Her mom picked a good place to die. I'd tell her what I tell my children...






PEOPLE DON'T STAY DEAD IN THE SAVAGE LAND.

[MisterSmith]

2. Doctor Octopus--even though technically not a Gauntlet revamp, it's just an awful, AWFUL new character-design for Doc Ock. From having four extra tentacles which then conflicts with his own nom de plume (something which even Spidey himself points out) to his metallic diaper suit. Hopefully, if the cover for issue #647 is anything to go by, he'll be getting a better look in Origin of the Speices because right now, he literally looks like mummified crap.

Personally, I think he looks like JRJR forgot he wasn't drawing Kick-Ass about halfway through designing him (with the mostly green with yellow lines design).

[stewart48]

I agree but it's definitely some temporary development.

My thoughts exactly, I hope he brings back the white lab coat, it seems plane but totally works and is less ridiculous than his other costumes. Doc's marriage to some of his wardrobe has never worked, for a guy who was a scientist, Can't Can't Ock OMD that crap.

[Beacon]

I’ve yet to read any of them because Marvel digital is so slow but …

The Lizard story sounds like they basically eliminated everything interesting about the character (as if treating that stupid Quality of Life CGI gimmick mini as if it were canon wasn’t bad enough) and trying to resurrect the original Kraven is ridiculous on so many levels that it warrants its own thread.

I’ve heard nothing but good things about the Rhino stuff though.

[stephen wacker]

Oh sure. Also, I wasn't opposed to idea of that he's succumbing to the constant physical punishment and radiation sickness he's endured over the years, either. It's the over-all current appearance I can't stand.

Which manga trope did we plagiarize?

SW

[Will.S]

Which manga trope did we plagiarize?

SW
The one about free cookies.

[stewart48]

I’ve yet to read any of them because Marvel digital is so slow but …

The Lizard story sounds like they basically eliminated everything interesting about the character (as if treating that stupid Quality of Life CGI gimmick mini as if it were canon wasn’t bad enough) and trying to resurrect the original Kraven is ridiculous on so many levels that it warrants its own thread.

I’ve heard nothing but good things about the Rhino stuff though.

I found it interesting that Kraven is going to be marketed as a potential Man Without Fear After Shadowland though this made no sense considering he is a cold blooded killer now.

[stephen wacker]

The one about free cookies.

That would be my favorite manga.

SW

[stillanerd]

Which manga trope did we plagiarize?

SW

Okay, that was a pretty good comeback, I'll give you that. :wink:

And you just had to bring up manga in association with tentacles, didn't you? :tongue:


My thoughts exactly, I hope he brings back the white lab coat, it seems plane but totally works and is less ridiculous than his other costumes. Doc's marriage to some of his wardrobe has never worked, for a guy who was a scientist, Can't Can't Ock OMD that crap.

Todd Nauck had a great rendition of Doc Ock in his white business suit and white lab get-up in the Spider-Man: Clone Saga mini-series, I thought. And I agree, Doc Ock over the years has had some really crappy outfits. But the current one definitely takes the cake.

[Billium 3]

You guys do realize that Electro's scars are just his mask burnt into his face, right?

It's just a modern interpretation of his original design, not some massive reboot.

It's just not the same and as iconic as the mask. Plus he reminds me too much of the Molecule Man.

[yadadaimhollaing]

Easily doc ock. The new look for doctor octupus was just 100% terrible. While im fine with him being hurt and just plain fuct i do not like that stupid looking mask. While i thought that asm 600 was a well done format i just can not get over that look which has kept that issue from being thought of as one of the best spidey stories ive read in a long time.

I also hate the new vulture. Im not really interested in his acid spitting plus i find all adrian toomes impersonators terrible. The centurians were stupid and the new vulture is stupid too.

I am perfectly fine with how electro is portrayed. I thought that was one of the best spidey stories of the last year.

[Mr. Noodle]

I thought what they did to the Mattie Franklin character was atrocious.

[Mr. Noodle]

It's just not the same and as iconic as the mask. Plus he reminds me too much of the Molecule Man.

And he needs a personality.

[derekakadrock]

Vulture. I liked the "scavenger" concept, but I'd rather see Adrian Toomes.

[Billium 3]

And he needs a personality.

Who, Electro? I thought he had personality.

[D. Perez]

Put Kraven back in the grave and Change Lizards new look. It made me laugh first time I saw it because it was ridiculous

[The Confessor]

Put Kraven back in the ground. No reason for that character to come back.


Yeah, I agree with this. I did enjoy Grim Hunt for the most part, although given the length of the build up I think it was inevitably going to suffer from being a slight let down. However, I don't think Grim Hunt really provided any compelling strorytelling reason why Kraven should've been resurrected and even while I was reading it, I was sort of hoping that they'd kill him off again by the story’s end.

He was better as a dead guy who had an awesome final bow with Kraven’s Last Hunt (or Soul Of The Hunter, at a push).

[Schmed]

Electro, he can keep the scars...UNDER HIS MASK!!

[coconutphone]

Electro, he can keep the scars...UNDER HIS MASK!!

Such a prude.

[Jim Thompson]

Electro, he can keep the scars...UNDER HIS MASK!!I do miss the mask. Sure, it's a little goofy, but that's part of it's charm, I think. :redface:

[CMBMOOL]

I would reverse the Rhino and have him be a hero for once and have a good life away from crime, besides next to Ultimate Spider-man, when has Spidey ever fought a RObo-Rhino of the modern age ? :biggrin:

I would also put Kraven back under the ground as well, because next to his death, when has he ever been a productive foe of the webhead ?:confused:

[E. Wilson]

I was actually pretty okay with the Gauntlet revamps. No serious complaints.

[oldschool]

Electro, he can keep the scars...UNDER HIS MASK!!

This is probably the only "revamp" that I could do without (though I am not so sure it was introduced during the Gauntlet story? Maybe his last appearance before the Gauntlet??). Regardless, I am a fan of Electro's old mask, clunky though it may be! It's part of his classic look and, while Bullseye's scarred forehead works for a suitably creepy character, that's just not Max Dillon----at least not to me!

[Earmites]

1. The Lizard--as if him eating Billy Connors wasn't bad enough, Curt Connors ends up "dead" and thus wrecks the whole "Jekyll and Hyde" aspect, then he mutates into having a ridiculous proto-feather spikey "hair-do" (which ends up getting covered up with a hood anyway, thus further making it pointless), develops the power to turn people into rabid and horny savages, and then becomes the leader a underground sewer-dwelling cult. Really damaged the character, IMO.

I have to respectively disagree here. The New Lizard has so much more depth now. The whole "I am a redeeming father I'm going to go good oh wait I drank a potion cause you know me" aspect was getting old and played out. The lizard brain being savagery and tribalism makes a much more engaging story than "BLAAAAARGH I am a lizard guy." Also killing little Billy was one of those great moments in comics to me. I didn't think they would ever go there. And as far as Connors is concerned? He isn't dead. No one in comics ever dies (unless you are Gwen Stacy or Uncle Ben.) Connors will come back later on and he will go back to the way it is because now more than ever the Jekyll/Hyde aspect will be more intense. His struggle to never do it again since the lizard killed his son etc etc. So for now I like this aspect of the Lizard.


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_yWBEZz5wSxM/SlTDqslet3I/AAAAAAAALJA/dqZ4qIlXoLk/s400/Feets.jpg


2. Doctor Octopus--even though technically not a Gauntlet revamp, it's just an awful, AWFUL new character-design for Doc Ock. From having four extra tentacles which then conflicts with his own nom de plume (something which even Spidey himself points out) to his metallic diaper suit. Hopefully, if the cover for issue #647 is anything to go by, he'll be getting a better look in Origin of the Speices because right now, he literally looks like mummified crap.

I couldn't agree more with this. I HATE the new doc ock.

[Beacon]

The thing that made Conner’s Jekyll/Hyde transformations different from Banner/Hulk or the actual Jekyll/Hyde is that those other guys really don’t have anything to lose by giving themselves over to the monster. Curt had a loving family and managed to still be a fairly well respected scientist despite his “condition” being known. Now there’s nothing that sets Curt apart from any of the other guys that turn into monsters.

[HopeLantern]

I really don't care for Electro's scared face look either and I also don't really see the need for Kraven the Hunter to be back. However, those two pale in comparison to what's happened with:

1. The Lizard--as if him eating Billy Connors wasn't bad enough, Curt Connors ends up "dead" and thus wrecks the whole "Jekyll and Hyde" aspect, then he mutates into having a ridiculous proto-feather spikey "hair-do" (which ends up getting covered up with a hood anyway, thus further making it pointless), develops the power to turn people into rabid and horny savages, and then becomes the leader a underground sewer-dwelling cult. Really damaged the character, IMO.

2. Doctor Octopus--even though technically not a Gauntlet revamp, it's just an awful, AWFUL new character-design for Doc Ock. From having four extra tentacles which then conflicts with his own nom de plume (something which even Spidey himself points out) to his metallic diaper suit. Hopefully, if the cover for issue #647 is anything to go by, he'll be getting a better look in Origin of the Speices because right now, he literally looks like mummified crap.


Amazing how often I agree with your posts. I didn't buy the Lizard arc.

But the Doc Ock was AWFUL. Absolutely unnecessary change to the character.

Also, I wish Kraven was still dead. I get so sick of the revolving door of life and death in the MU.

[CyberHubbs]

The thing that made Conner’s Jekyll/Hyde transformations different from Banner/Hulk or the actual Jekyll/Hyde is that those other guys really don’t have anything to lose by giving themselves over to the monster. Curt had a loving family and managed to still be a fairly well respected scientist despite his “condition” being known. Now there’s nothing that sets Curt apart from any of the other guys that turn into monsters.

He lost. (10)

[CyberHubbs]

Doc Ock's always looked pretty stupid, IMO. While not a huge fan of the current design (on a long-term basis) I at least like that it's cool that it's only supposed to be temporary as he repairs himself.

I dug the Lizard's new design, as well as the continuation of his power upgrade from the Marvel Knights run. He's not just a savage sparring partner for Spider-Man anymore.

None of the revamps really bothered me, but if I HAD to choose one, I'd say the new Vulture's look could use some modifications. Honestly, he should have kept the suit and tie but still undergone the transformation.

[Jim Thompson]

Doc Ock's always looked pretty stupid, IMO. While not a huge fan of the current design (on a long-term basis) I at least like that it's cool that it's only supposed to be temporary as he repairs himself. I always enjoyed Octavius' look when he was wearing Armani suits. :biggrin:

[CyberHubbs]

I always enjoyed Octavius' look when he was wearing Armani suits. :biggrin:

Yeah, but he had that terrible haircut.

[oldschool]

Doc Ock's always looked pretty stupid, IMO. While not a huge fan of the current design (on a long-term basis) I at least like that it's cool that it's only supposed to be temporary as he repairs himself.

I dug the Lizard's new design, as well as the continuation of his power upgrade from the Marvel Knights run. He's not just a savage sparring partner for Spider-Man anymore.

None of the revamps really bothered me, but if I HAD to choose one, I'd say the new Vulture's look could use some modifications. Honestly, he should have kept the suit and tie but still undergone the transformation.

While I liked the new Vulture's origin/persona, I agree that his look needed work. I could not help but think of the old "Bazooka Joe" character from the bubble gum comics that had the scarf over his mouth all the time!

Oh, I loved Doc Ock's old green jumpsuit look.....just a classic and even the Larsen 90's version with the designer suits worked well....here's hoping to a return of one of those looks very soon!

[Jim Thompson]

Yeah, but he had that terrible haircut.Part of his charm. :biggrin:

[CyberHubbs]

While I liked the new Vulture's origin/persona, I agree that his look needed work. I could not help but think of the old "Bazooka Joe" character from the bubble gum comics that had the scarf over his mouth all the time!

I like scarves. But the leather get-up hasn't grown on me like I thought it would. I don't like the old Vulture's suit, either.

[keilthetarheel]

I didn't buy the Lizard arc.

But the Doc Ock was AWFUL. Absolutely unnecessary change to the character.

Also, I wish Kraven was still dead. I get so sick of the revolving door of life and death in the MU.

your post is too reasonable to appear on an Internet forum

[oldschool]

I like scarves. But the leather get-up hasn't grown on me like I thought it would. I don't like the old Vulture's suit, either.

Maybe split the difference and go with a red version of Toomes' old suit and a scarf for those chilly nights flying over NYC??:biggrin:

[Jim Thompson]

I like scarves. But the leather get-up hasn't grown on me like I thought it would. I don't like the old Vulture's suit, either.One of the few things I liked about the Marvel Knights story was the Vulture's adjusted look:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/29/519px-Vulture.jpg/250px-519px-Vulture.jpg

[stillanerd]

One of the few things I liked about the Marvel Knights story was the Vulture's adjusted look:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/29/519px-Vulture.jpg/250px-519px-Vulture.jpg

Especially since he actually looks more like a vulture in this costume as opposed to his green costume which made him look more like a parrot. :biggrin:

[CyberHubbs]

Maybe split the difference and go with a red version of Toomes' old suit and a scarf for those chilly nights flying over NYC??:biggrin:

Just ditch the suit completely and slap a scarf on him!

Still wouldn't be the weirdest thing running around NYC.

[CyberHubbs]

One of the few things I liked about the Marvel Knights story was the Vulture's adjusted look:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/29/519px-Vulture.jpg/250px-519px-Vulture.jpg

Yeah, I remember that one. It's at least better than the green, even if it's an old guy running around in leather.

[Mr. Noodle]

They ought to make Toomes quasi-immortal, like some character out of an old H. Rider Haggard (sp?) novel. Some issues I've read made Toomes out to be a joke. Toomes was/is an engineer and corporate CEO. He plays better as a nasty old man who you expect to be feeble, but instead is a lot more dangerous than you think he should be, driven by years of bitterness and a sour old outlook on people.

The Red Vulture has no personality, and is really just a new member of the Legion of Monsters.

[oldschool]

They ought to make Toomes quasi-immortal, like some character out of an old H. Rider Haggard (sp?) novel. Some issues I've read made Toomes out to be a joke. Toomes was/is an engineer and corporate CEO. He plays better as a nasty old man who you expect to be feeble, but instead is a lot more dangerous than you think he should be, driven by years of bitterness and a sour old outlook on people.

The Red Vulture has no personality, and is really just a new member of the Legion of Monsters.

I very much agree with this interpretation; Uncle Rog wrote his definitive origin back in ASM # 224 (I think?) and FVL wrote a great short story focusing on Toomes that utilized that interpretation very well earlier this year in WEB.

[Beacon]

He lost. (10)

Lost which?

Lost his loved ones? Banner’s string of dead wives and girlfriends is starting to rival Daredevil’s and I expect his kids will become cannon-fodder the second the current Hulk glut wears off.

Lost his humanity? Wasn’t that the entire point of the original Jekyll/Hyde story?

Seriously, if anyone can tell me the difference between modern Lizard and, say, Stegron then I’d really like to know.


I always enjoyed Octavius' look when he was wearing Armani suits. :biggrin:

Yes! Or a lab coat. I never really liked Otto in a supervillain costume.

[mattspideyrocks!]

Man, I don't know if I should say anything but I like Ock's current look.

..........


Please don't hurt me. :tongue:


On the actual topic, I would put Kraven back in the ground. Although I really liked the story, I don't really see the need to have him back permanently.

[Chris S.]

I think this thread should be "How many of the Gauntlet revamps will actually stick?"

I can't imagine that many of them are going to stay around. I'd put money on it that a lot of them don't.

Its funny how similar this whole BND gets to Volume 2 every story sometimes....

[Scott Taylor]

I am ok with the new looks of different villains, even Doc Ock. But in his case, i think the character needs to be alot more threatening. The little doc ocklet robot things just didn't cut it for me.

[Earmites]

The thing that made Conner’s Jekyll/Hyde transformations different from Banner/Hulk or the actual Jekyll/Hyde is that those other guys really don’t have anything to lose by giving themselves over to the monster. Curt had a loving family and managed to still be a fairly well respected scientist despite his “condition” being known. Now there’s nothing that sets Curt apart from any of the other guys that turn into monsters.

He'll have that Peter Parker guilt.

When I drink this I killed the only thing I ever truly loved thing going for him. It will still work. His inner struggle will be his own personal demons. He will want to drink because the lizard makes the painful memories go away. yet because of the Lizard....He killed his son.

It's not just "RAWR I'M A MONSTER."

[yadadaimhollaing]

Doc Ock's always looked pretty stupid, IMO. While not a huge fan of the current design (on a long-term basis) I at least like that it's cool that it's only supposed to be temporary as he repairs himself.

I dug the Lizard's new design, as well as the continuation of his power upgrade from the Marvel Knights run. He's not just a savage sparring partner for Spider-Man anymore.

None of the revamps really bothered me, but if I HAD to choose one, I'd say the new Vulture's look could use some modifications. Honestly, he should have kept the suit and tie but still undergone the transformation.

Damn you to hell!!!!!!!!!!! Doc ock always looked cool before. How dare you say his look was stupid :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Gabe De Los Muertos]

None. I liked them all, and I doubt Ock's is finished.

[stewart48]

I don't think Kraven being back diminishes the last hunt story, but at the same time I thought Sasha and Ana were both going to be Kravinoff's with a decidedly different twist. Decades later I'm still tired of Kraven as a character. Grimm Hunt was good but going back to status quo with Kraven seems boring.

[brundlefly]

My big one is Kraven, who I think should have either stayed dead or gone back to the grave at the end of Grim Hunt. Just like Norman Osborn, Sergi served a better purpose in the Spidey books dead than alive and had worthy descendants to carry on his name & legacy into battle with Spider-Man. He'll never top 'Last Hunt' in any forthcoming battles with Spidey (much like Norm will never top killing Gwen), so what's the point of him being alive again?

Ock's ugly new look is just a temporary thing and the "new" Vulture likely is, too (given that Toomes is still alive and kicking), so those don't bug me too much.

[ChargerKB]

My big one is Kraven, who I think should have either stayed dead or gone back to the grave at the end of Grim Hunt. Just like Norman Osborn, Sergi served a better purpose in the Spidey books dead than alive and had worthy descendants to carry on his name & legacy into battle with Spider-Man. He'll never top 'Last Hunt' in any forthcoming battles with Spidey (much like Norm will never top killing Gwen), so what's the point of him being alive again?

Ock's ugly new look is just a temporary thing and the "new" Vulture likely is, too (given that Toomes is still alive and kicking), so those don't bug me too much.
Isn't killing baby May 'topping Gwen'?

[brundlefly]

Isn't killing baby May 'topping Gwen'?

What is this "baby May" of which you speak? Remember, MJ and Pete were 'never married' now and surely they would not have had a baby out of wedlock. :wink: I think she's more a victim of convoluted retconning as opposed to Osborn.

[VRaptorX]

I thought Baby May was never even kidnapped. MJ was never pregnant (despite being so for 2 years). This isn't even OMD. Baby May getting kidnapped was retconned and never existed. It became Aunt May that was kidnapped.

Though really, May Day should be in the real continuity IMO.

[Red Lotus]

The Lizard. I just dont like how they made him eat his own son. That was just wrong on so many levels.

[Tomacatawata]

I love the new Kraven and Lizard.

Hated Docter Octopus though.