New Wonder Woman movie in September!!

[superlantern1987]

Okay its not a film of her per say, but if you've read the story you'd know that she makes alot of cameos and is just as important as Batman and Superman. I'm really excited, and ansxious to watch the film. I love the story arc and art.

[dupersuper]

Okay its not a film of her per say, but if you've read the story you'd know that she makes alot of cameos and is just as important as Batman and Superman. I'm really excited, and ansxious to watch the film. I love the story arc and art.

Oooo...they got Big Barda in to.

[Vanguard01]

If they keep the part where Diana backstabs Clark, I'm not touching this thing. But hopefully they'll leave that crap out, and I'll be able to enjoy this movie the way that scene prevented me from enjoying the books.

[superlantern1987]

If they keep the part where Diana backstabs Clark, I'm not touching this thing. But hopefully they'll leave that crap out, and I'll be able to enjoy this movie the way that scene prevented me from enjoying the books.

Do you mean when Artemis and her were after Supergirl? To me that doesn't seem like backstabbing. Sure, it might have been out of character. But, Diana wanted to test Kara and find out what she was capable of.

[superlantern1987]

Oooo...they got Big Barda in to.

Of course they do, she's the only one with a motherbox who can take them. :tongue:

[Vanguard01]

Do you mean Artemis and her are after Supergirl? To me that doesn't seem like backstabbing. Sure, it might have been out of character. But, Diana wanted to test Kara and find out what she was capable of.

Not even close! Read it again. Bruce talked Diana into AMBUSHING Clark so they could kidnap her to Themiscyra, because Bruce was convinced that Kara had to be evil incarnate. And Diana just went along with it. She just arbitrarily decided it was cool to attack her best friend and drag his terrified teenage cousin off to an island full of strangers. And then, afterward, she didn't even have the decency to apologize to Clark about it. It had nothing to do with "testing" Kara.

[NeoStar9X]

Due to time constraints I think it's safe to assume WW's role will be minor compared to Superman and Batman, the title characters. Not to mention Kara will get more screen time then WW easily since it's her story.

[superlantern1987]

Not even close! Read it again. Bruce talked Diana into AMBUSHING Clark so they could kidnap her to Themiscyra, because Bruce was convinced that Kara had to be evil incarnate. And Diana just went along with it. She just arbitrarily decided it was cool to attack her best friend and drag his terrified teenage cousin off to an island full of strangers. And then, afterward, she didn't even have the decency to apologize to Clark about it. It had nothing to do with "testing" Kara.

I read the trade about two years ago, so my memory is a little iffy. If that is so, then it is clearly the fault of Joseph Loeb. Diana would never do that to Clark, let alone listen to Batdouche. We all know she has a thing for Clark. :tongue: As for the trade, I do however, remember that Bruce didn't trust Kara. He was being really **** as ussual. Seriously, the guy has issues. I wished he stayed dead for two years or so. :biggrin:
I will reread the trade one of these days and go over anything, I forgot or missed and report back to you.

The scene might be deleted, or altered. We'll know until the movie comes out. Just to make sure you don't buy the film, and spend your money on something you dislike. I''m going to purchase it on the first day, I'll watch it and then let you know if the scene was either altered or deleted. :biggrin:

[superlantern1987]

Due to time constraints I think it's safe to assume WW's role will be minor compared to Superman and Batman, the title characters. Not to mention Kara will get more screen time then WW easily since it's her story.

What matters is that Diana will still be in the film. As long as she's kicking *ss, and training Kara I'll be more than happy with her apperance. :smile:

[bulldog_milt]

The scene might be deleted, or altered. We'll know until the movie comes out. Just to make sure you don't buy the film, and spend your money on something you dislike. I''m going to purchase it on the first day, I'll watch it and then let you know if the scene was either altered or deleted. :biggrin:

The whole 'ambush'-thing was played out a bit weird in the comic... But the gist of reasoning was that Batman was concerned that this might be an imposter/evilclone/whatever and that he felt that Superman was too close to it to realize what really needed to be done. He got Diana to 'kidnap' her so that the amazons could train her to control her powers and to fight if she needed, to introduce her to other people in a controlled environment (which Sups would have kept her locked up in the Fortress), etc...

It sounds bad, but Diana did it because she cared that much for Kal and Bruce... and understood that Kal wasn't and wouldn't act in the best interest of the Earth, nor himself.

[Vanguard01]

The whole 'ambush'-thing was played out a bit weird in the comic... But the gist of reasoning was that Batman was concerned that this might be an imposter/evilclone/whatever and that he felt that Superman was too close to it to realize what really needed to be done. He got Diana to 'kidnap' her so that the amazons could train her to control her powers and to fight if she needed, to introduce her to other people in a controlled environment (which Sups would have kept her locked up in the Fortress), etc...

It sounds bad, but Diana did it because she cared that much for Kal and Bruce... and understood that Kal wasn't and wouldn't act in the best interest of the Earth, nor himself.

And yet Diana saw how angry and hurt Clark was about the betrayal and she refused to even apologize for it.

Clark wasn't keeping her in the Fortress. Diana and Artemis jumped him and Kara when they were walking in the park in Metropolis, and eating hot dogs. Clark was going to train her to use her powers. You know? The guy who's been controlling those same powers since he was a wee lad? Instead of a bunch of strange women Kara doesn't know who dragged her kicking and screaming away from her only family member?

Also, Diana didn't even try to TALK to Clark about letting her take Kara. She just snuck around in the shadows with Bruce and agreed to launch an unprovoked attack on her best friend and a frightened teenage girl. If she had at least TRIED to convince Clark about the plan, that would've been better. But no. She just skulked around in the shadows, launched a cowardly assault on a helpless girl and tore her away from everything she knew, and couldn't even have the decency to apologize to her best friend for wiping her ass with his trust.

[supergirls_pal]

Also, Diana didn't even try to TALK to Clark about letting her take Kara. She just snuck around in the shadows with Bruce and agreed to launch an unprovoked attack on her best friend and a frightened teenage girl. If she had at least TRIED to convince Clark about the plan, that would've been better. But no. She just skulked around in the shadows, launched a cowardly assault on a helpless girl and tore her away from everything she knew, and couldn't even have the decency to apologize to her best friend for wiping her ass with his trust.

Excellent point. Diana's introduction was written for shock value at the expense of her character. I forgot that she did not apologize to Clark afterwards. It would be nice if the movie had Diana convince Kara to come to Paradise Island, not kidnap her.

[Vanguard01]

Excellent point. Diana's introduction was written for shock value at the expense of her character. I forgot that she did not apologize to Clark afterwards. It would be nice if the movie had Diana convince Kara to come to Paradise Island, not kidnap her.

Not only did she not apologize, she actually had the gall to get pissed at him when he expressed his anger with her on like two separate occasions. "How dare you take offense to my kidnapping your cousin! Who do you think you are?"

Yeah, if they want to cut things out for time contstraints, having Diana do what she should've done in the first place and TALK Kara into coming to Themiscyra, I'll be very happy indeed. Go screw yourself, Jeph Loeb!

[Fused]

LOL I guess I can be a Loeb apologist on occasion. The man's a talent, but I'll admit he can really phone it in sometimes. All I generally have are great memories of the storyline where she looked so awesome deflecting omega beams.

That was one of those, "Wow Wonder Woman is badass" moments.

[Vanguard01]

LOL I guess I can be a Loeb apologist on occasion. The man's a talent, but I'll admit he can really phone it in sometimes. All I generally have are great memories of the storyline where she looked so awesome deflecting omega beams.

That was one of those, "Wow Wonder Woman is badass" moments.

Yeah, if he had left out that "Wonder Woman is a backstabbing coward" moment, I would've called it a great portrayal of Diana. But after seeing her pull that crap, every other appearance she made was tainted as far as I was concerned.

I'm a Wonder Woman fan for life, but after the kidnapping, I actually wanted to see Clark pimp slap Diana into high orbit and shout "I'm Superman, bitch!"

[bulldog_milt]

Excellent point. Diana's introduction was written for shock value at the expense of her character. I forgot that she did not apologize to Clark afterwards. It would be nice if the movie had Diana convince Kara to come to Paradise Island, not kidnap her.

I agree... that is how I would have written it... The introduction was the last page of the previous book... You always build to a climax... The image of Wonder Woman holding kara was a 'shock' moment...

But the next book should have been Diana explaining to Kal why it would be better for Kara to be on PI where she could interact with others without fear of hurting them, where she could be taught how to protect herself, etc. And then have her explain in another panel to Kal that he was trying to protect her, but that was no way to rasie a child, and that she knows from experience that it only makes the child rebel (referring to herself and the contest).

[superlantern1987]

The whole 'ambush'-thing was played out a bit weird in the comic... But the gist of reasoning was that Batman was concerned that this might be an imposter/evilclone/whatever and that he felt that Superman was too close to it to realize what really needed to be done. He got Diana to 'kidnap' her so that the amazons could train her to control her powers and to fight if she needed, to introduce her to other people in a controlled environment (which Sups would have kept her locked up in the Fortress), etc...

It sounds bad, but Diana did it because she cared that much for Kal and Bruce... and understood that Kal wasn't and wouldn't act in the best interest of the Earth, nor himself.

That's how I saw things, but after reading other posts they made brought up good points. Diana should have never gone against Clark, but then again she wasn't the person responsible for writing the issues. :biggrin:
Actually, I was also upset that she took Kara from Superman. But, it made sense that she trained her. Diana is the only superhero who could accomplish that. Clark would never allow Diana to do that. He was too over protected. Anyway, I'm glad Diana will be appearing in the movie. I'm obsses with the character, perhaps not as much as other posters, but nevertheless consider myself a true fan. :smile:

[Vanguard01]

Clark was going to train Kara himself. He has the same powers she does. He'd been dealing with controlling them his entire life. Diana didn't have to be involved. She certainly didn't have to involve herself by force. If she wanted to help, she could've ASKED Clark to let her help, and I'm sure he would've eventually said yes. There was no need to betray his trust and terrorize a teenage girl in order to insert Diana into her training.

[superlantern1987]

Clark was going to train Kara himself. He has the same powers she does. He'd been dealing with controlling them his entire life. Diana didn't have to be involved. She certainly didn't have to involve herself by force. If she wanted to help, she could've ASKED Clark to let her help, and I'm sure he would've eventually said yes. There was no need to betray his trust and terrorize a teenage girl in order to insert Diana into her training.

Lets blame this on the writer!! :tongue:

[lariatofhestia]

I read the trade about two years ago, so my memory is a little iffy. If that is so, then it is clearly the fault of Joseph Loeb. Diana would never do that to Clark, let alone listen to Batdouche. We all know she has a thing for Clark. :tongue: As for the trade, I do however, remember that Bruce didn't trust Kara. He was being really **** as ussual. Seriously, the guy has issues. I wished he stayed dead for two years or so. :biggrin:
I will reread the trade one of these days and go over anything, I forgot or missed and report back to you.

The scene might be deleted, or altered. We'll know until the movie comes out. Just to make sure you don't buy the film, and spend your money on something you dislike. I''m going to purchase it on the first day, I'll watch it and then let you know if the scene was either altered or deleted. :biggrin:

With Bruce Timm batfanboy in charge? I would be doubtful.

It was very uncharacteristic of Diana attacking Kara and Superman as well acting as if Diana was a stranger who he couldn't trust ...but then she acted like a stranger to him by going behind his back and not discussing it with him.

I remember reading it and Superman going "You?" in shock and it seemed so odd. I'd expect him to go ..."Diana??!!"

Then I saw Diana going "I am taking the girl blah blah"..."And then fussing how many warriors she lost over "that girl"...I was wtf who asked her to kidnap her in the first place?

If Superman did that to Cassie or Donna she'd have a fit.

I'd expect that kind of subterfuge from Batman but not Diana.


But Loeb did write Superman as a little too over protective to the point of naivety.




Still can't wait for the battle with the Furies and to see Kal deal with Darkseid.

[Vanguard01]

With Bruce Timm batfanboy in charge? I would be doubtful.

It was very uncharacteristic of Diana attacking Kara and Superman as well acting as if Diana was a stranger who he couldn't trust ...but then she acted like a stranger to him by going behind his back and not discussing it with him.

I remember reading it and Superman going "You?" in shock and it seemed so odd. I'd expect him to go ..."Diana??!!"

Then I saw Diana going "I am taking the girl blah blah"..."And then fussing how many warriors she lost over "that girl"...I was wtf who asked her to kidnap her in the first place?

If Superman did that to Cassie or Donna she'd have a fit.

I'd expect that kind of subterfuge from Batman but not Diana.


But Loeb did write Superman as a little too over protective to the point of naivety.




Still can't wait for the battle with the Furies and to see Kal deal with Darkseid.

Excellent points, lariat!

And yes, with Bruce Timm in charge of this project, you can take it as all but a given that he will insist on keeping the "Batman seduces Wonder Woman to the dark side and makes her act completely out of character, because everyone knows Diana goes along with ANYTHING Batman wants" stuff. The only thing that may stop Timm from doing this is time constraints. If he just can't fit Diana being Bruce's puppet into the time slot alotted, then there's nothing he can do. I have little doubt however, he will try like hell to make it happen.

Also a good point about Diana's attitude. As I said, I could see Diana doing what she did if she was convinced there was a real need and if she HAD tried a more reasonable approach first. But nevertheless, the fact that Loeb wrote Diana as utterly unapologetic about it was just pathetic. Yes, Diana may have felt she had no choice but to do what she did. BUT, once the deed was done, she would've gone to great lengths to apologize to Clark. He was obviously angry and hurt and Diana (when written by somebody COMPETENT) would've been wiliing to get down on her knees and beg for forgiveness for having caused him such pain. Also, her feeling of entitlement after she lost Amazons defending Kara was crap. YOU got those Amazons killed by butting in where you weren't needed, Diana.

Also true about Donna and Cassie. Honestly, I would've actually liked to see Clark do that just to make a point. Have him fly in and haul one of them off and watch Diana's righteous indignation.

Yeah, Diana is a warrior. Yes, she's sometimes willing to fight dirty. But that level of cowardly backstabbing is just not something Diana would EVER do. Especially not to her best friend.

I DO very much hope this scene gets left out. This one storyline was a big contributor to making me despise Jeph Loeb's writing. Public Enemies was another one. I couldn't believe how many heroes just decided to trust Lex freakin' Luthor over Superman. Starfire, Captain Marvel, Captain Atom and the other heroes looked like complete idiots. The greatest of their number is accused of a crime (by his arch enemy) and the only response is "Let's hunt him down and beat him bloody and lay him at Luthor's feet?" I didn't buy THAT DVD either. Time will tell if I'll be getting this one.

[superchick]

Due to time constraints I think it's safe to assume WW's role will be minor compared to Superman and Batman, the title characters. Not to mention Kara will get more screen time then WW easily since it's her story.


Looking at the promotion, you wouldn't think it. I've only see one picture of Kara as a good guy and that was tiny to reveal Summer's casting. She spends less than 1/6th as a brainwashed fury!

[Free-Man]

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Looking at the promotion, you wouldn't think it. I've only see one picture of Kara as a good guy and that was tiny to reveal Summer's casting. She spends less than 1/6th as a brainwashed fury!

Again, unfortunately, I'm gonna go out on a limb and chalk that up to Timm's statements about WB being uneasy over releasing female superhero DVDs.

[artemisboy]

Not even close! Read it again. Bruce talked Diana into AMBUSHING Clark so they could kidnap her to Themiscyra, because Bruce was convinced that Kara had to be evil incarnate. And Diana just went along with it. She just arbitrarily decided it was cool to attack her best friend and drag his terrified teenage cousin off to an island full of strangers. And then, afterward, she didn't even have the decency to apologize to Clark about it. It had nothing to do with "testing" Kara.

You have to remember this is also the story where Clark goes clothes shopping for Kara and gets her a G-string and 2 sizes too small t-shirt. Nice parenting skills there Clark. There was lots of things wrong with the storyline. The main essence though is there and I love it.

I'm presonally hoping they show the fight between Artemis and Batman. I would LOVE to see that.

- Peter

[bulldog_milt]

You have to remember this is also the story where Clark goes clothes shopping for Kara and gets her a G-string and 2 sizes too small t-shirt. Nice parenting skills there Clark. There was lots of things wrong with the storyline. The main essence though is there and I love it.

I'm presonally hoping they show the fight between Artemis and Batman. I would LOVE to see that.

- Peter

I thought it was Lois that got her the clothing...

[Vanguard01]

I thought it was Lois that got her the clothing...

I believe it was.

And even if she didn't, who's to say Clark didn't just let Kara pick out her own stuff? Contrary to popular belief, Clark isn't a prude. He knows teenage girls like to show a lot of skin, and he technically isn't her father and thus has no real right to tell her what to wear. Also, if we want to get super-technical here, it's entirely possible that Kara's wardrobe was entirely the artist's call, since this story was before Matt Idleson decided that Kara wearing panties under her mini skirt was a horrid blasphemy that must be stopped.

And finally, even if Clark got her that stuff, oh no! He let her wear something skimpy! Surely that's just as bad as attacking an innocent girl and kidnapping her away from her only family. Surely that's just as bad as being a skulking coward who will betray a friend and then get mad at said friend when he has the temerity to express his anger with you for your betrayal of his trust.

[lariatofhestia]

You have to remember this is also the story where Clark goes clothes shopping for Kara and gets her a G-string and 2 sizes too small t-shirt. Nice parenting skills there Clark. There was lots of things wrong with the storyline. The main essence though is there and I love it.

I'm presonally hoping they show the fight between Artemis and Batman. I would LOVE to see that.

- Peter

Correction.

LOIS got her the clothes.

[lariatofhestia]

I believe it was.

And even if she didn't, who's to say Clark didn't just let Kara pick out her own stuff? Contrary to popular belief, Clark isn't a prude. He knows teenage girls like to show a lot of skin, and he technically isn't her father and thus has no real right to tell her what to wear. Also, if we want to get super-technical here, it's entirely possible that Kara's wardrobe was entirely the artist's call, since this story was before Matt Idleson decided that Kara wearing panties under her mini skirt was a horrid blasphemy that must be stopped.

And finally, even if Clark got her that stuff, oh no! He let her wear something skimpy! Surely that's just as bad as attacking an innocent girl and kidnapping her away from her only family. Surely that's just as bad as being a skulking coward who will betray a friend and then get mad at said friend when he has the temerity to express his anger with you for your betrayal of his trust.

Yeah clearly Kara's pants slipping down to show her thong that Lois bought is Clark's fault and clearly the equivalent of ambush and kidnapping. Bad Clark.

I wonder Clark didn't tell Diana to have Artemis cover her buttocks during the sparring with Kara too. Bad parent that he is.

Where is the rolling eye icon when you need it.

[AndyMangels]

Just watched the trailer on ComicVine (the YouTube one was taken down), and there's no Wonder Woman in it at all.

Supergirl is barely seen either. I think Granny Goodness got more screentime...

Though there is a redheaded armored girl swordfighting a blond armored girl at 54 seconds in. Artemis vs Supergirl?

http://www.comicvine.com/supermanbatman-apocalypse-trailer/112-1016/

[lariatofhestia]

Just watched the trailer on ComicVine (the YouTube one was taken down), and there's no Wonder Woman in it at all.

Supergirl is barely seen either. I think Granny Goodness got more screentime...

Though there is a redheaded armored girl swordfighting a blond armored girl at 54 seconds in. Artemis vs Supergirl?

http://www.comicvine.com/supermanbatman-apocalypse-trailer/112-1016/


Yeah no sigh of WW . sigh. But I see some scenes where she is supposed to be. Like the many Doomsdays attacking.

Let's hope they have her in other trailers.

[Hermaki]

I guess we don't need to worry about that, because there's a scene where Superman is kneeling and there are amazons in the background, so if there are amazons, there is Wonder Woman too =)

The two fighting armored girls may not be Artemis and Kara, but rather Kara and one of the female furies, i think.

[supergirls_pal]

The two fighting armored girls may not be Artemis and Kara, but rather Kara and one of the female furies, i think.


I think that scene is from earlier in the comic when a red headed female warrior was killed by the Female Furies while auditioning for the top spot to lead them.

[superchick]

Again, unfortunately, I'm gonna go out on a limb and chalk that up to Timm's statements about WB being uneasy over releasing female superhero DVDs.

I'll agree with you. Its quite sad that they think one heroic female can counter the marketing power of Superman and Batman. In the end, is that any marketing power at all?


I think that scene is from earlier in the comic when a red headed female warrior was killed by the Female Furies while auditioning for the top spot to lead them.

The trailer shows 'Precious' the potential fury in a blood stained goop in the arena so she's there.

[hellacre]

I'll agree with you. Its quite sad that they think one heroic female can counter the marketing power of Superman and Batman. In the end, is that any marketing power at all?



The trailer shows 'Precious' the potential fury in a blood stained goop in the arena so she's there.


I actually think they are gonna leave it for the comic con.

There is no reason to suggest people wouldn't get excited to not see Supergirl or Wonder Woman.

Shame they did not homage Turner's style. Least WW will look softer than the angular androgynous versions we have seen before.

I hope Diana does not come off like a spoiled self important bitch in this. COTE was possibly the best portrayal of her in DCAU animation so far in my opinion. You saw a strong balanced hero and woman...and that says a lot seeing there was not much interplay between characters. Every other animated version...mostly haughty brat. sigh.

[hellacre]

Excellent points, lariat!

And yes, with Bruce Timm in charge of this project, you can take it as all but a given that he will insist on keeping the "Batman seduces Wonder Woman to the dark side and makes her act completely out of character, because everyone knows Diana goes along with ANYTHING Batman wants" stuff. The only thing that may stop Timm from doing this is time constraints. If he just can't fit Diana being Bruce's puppet into the time slot alotted, then there's nothing he can do. I have little doubt however, he will try like hell to make it happen.

Also a good point about Diana's attitude. As I said, I could see Diana doing what she did if she was convinced there was a real need and if she HAD tried a more reasonable approach first. But nevertheless, the fact that Loeb wrote Diana as utterly unapologetic about it was just pathetic. Yes, Diana may have felt she had no choice but to do what she did. BUT, once the deed was done, she would've gone to great lengths to apologize to Clark. He was obviously angry and hurt and Diana (when written by somebody COMPETENT) would've been wiliing to get down on her knees and beg for forgiveness for having caused him such pain. Also, her feeling of entitlement after she lost Amazons defending Kara was crap. YOU got those Amazons killed by butting in where you weren't needed, Diana.

Also true about Donna and Cassie. Honestly, I would've actually liked to see Clark do that just to make a point. Have him fly in and haul one of them off and watch Diana's righteous indignation.

Yeah, Diana is a warrior. Yes, she's sometimes willing to fight dirty. But that level of cowardly backstabbing is just not something Diana would EVER do. Especially not to her best friend.

I DO very much hope this scene gets left out. This one storyline was a big contributor to making me despise Jeph Loeb's writing. Public Enemies was another one. I couldn't believe how many heroes just decided to trust Lex freakin' Luthor over Superman. Starfire, Captain Marvel, Captain Atom and the other heroes looked like complete idiots. The greatest of their number is accused of a crime (by his arch enemy) and the only response is "Let's hunt him down and beat him bloody and lay him at Luthor's feet?" I didn't buy THAT DVD either. Time will tell if I'll be getting this one.

Well there are some scenes in between where Diana shows some caring for her friend...like when Clark drops to his knees after destroying the myriad Doomsdays and she puts an arm around him and the defending him from the omega effect. These scenes are very important if we don't want Diana come across as just a cold and self important and arrogant etc. But from DCAU's track record...most sm/ww scenes are usually ignored in favor of pro bm/ww by Timm and company anyway, even if the original comic material has no bm/ww stuff. So color me pleasantly surprised if we see the first one. The blocking the omega effect...we will see that for sure.

[Vanguard01]

Well there are some scenes in between where Diana shows some caring for her friend...like when Clark drops to his knees after destroying the myriad Doomsdays and she puts an arm around him and the defending him from the omega effect. These scenes are very important if we don't want Diana come across as just a cold and self important and arrogant etc. But from DCAU's track record...most sm/ww scenes are usually ignored in favor of pro bm/ww by Timm and company anyway, even if the original comic material has no bm/ww stuff. So color me pleasantly surprised if we see the first one. The blocking the omega effect...we will see that for sure.

Yeah, Diana showed concern for Clark after the Doomsday attack. And frankly, I wanted to see him shove her away from him when she did that, seeing as how not ten minutes prior, she was in his face sanctimoniously asserting the justness of her betrayal of his trust. As far as shielding him from the Omega effect, whatever. Clark has survived Darkseid's beams before. That scene is pretty much take it or leave it as far as I'm concerned. The only way I'm buying this DVD is if they just flat out leave out the whole kidnapping crap. Or at least if they'd better add in an apology from Diana. Jeph Loeb actually managed to make me hate Diana in that storyline, so I don't care what other feats of awesomeness she does in this story, if at the end of the day, she's still an unapologetic backstabber, I'm not touching this movie.

Also true about Bruce Timm and his Batman bias. I really hate that guy. There is WAY more affection and tenderness between Superman and Wonder Woman than there has ever been between Batman and Wonder Woman, and yet he deliberately chooses to ignore that in favor of his "Batman is a god who can melt the panties of any woman simply by acknowledging her existence," crap. Batman is a manipulator who lies and deceives even his friends. He has used even Diana as a puppet in his schemes before. Diana respects him, even loves him like a brother, but she has NEVER had any real romantic chemistry with him. Clark? When have we NOT seen him and Diana display a genuine affection and sympathy with each other (Sacrifice doesn't count.) I swear, Bruce Timm's Bat-pandering makes me sick sometimes.