Iceman Question (Back Issues)

[Mia]

Hello;

Someone made the charge on another thread that Emma accused (or implied) that Iceman is a closet gay man, and that he flirted with Shatterstar. If this is true can someone provide me the book name and issue number. So I can look into it?

Thanks.

[Chase_Stein]

Hello;

Someone made the charge on another thread that Emma accused (or implied) that Iceman is a closet gay man, and that he flirted with Shatterstar. If this is true can someone provide me the book name and issue number. So I can look into it?

Thanks.

X-Factor Nation X one-shot. Iceman was never straight. Lady M even told him in his face.

[The Lucky One]

To answer your second question first: Iceman never flirted with Shatterstar. The scene you're referencing is from X-Factor: Nation X, a recent one-shot. Shatterstar has recently been revealed to be bisexual, and when X-Factor visited Utopia, during a discussion of his new sexual freedom, he paused to say "hi" to Iceman, causing Rictor to drag him away. It was essentially a puckish wink on Peter David's part to the ongoing "Is Iceman gay?" debate. But no, no flirtation.

The other scene you referenced is from some issue of UXM back in the day, I'm going to estimate the 320's or thereabouts. It occurred immediately after the Phalanx Covenant crossover, just as Generation X was starting, and has a picture of Jubilee walking away on the cover. Anyway, Iceman goes to Emma demanding (then asking politely) that she tell him how she did the things she did with his powers while she was in his body. Along the way, she made an offhand jibe about "Did you finally realize your desire to be an interior decorator?" or words to that effect. Some people have taken that as evidence that Emma was not-so-subtly hinting he was gay. Which makes her later flirtation with him a little odd, but I know both sides have ways to explain various scenes to make them conform to their own beliefs, so make of it whatever you will.

-D

[Mia]

X-Factor Nation X one-shot. Iceman was never straight. Lady M even told him in his face.

Who is Lady M?

[timbox]

I guess screwing a tranny means he's not really in the closet.

[Chase_Stein]

Who is Lady M?

Remedial mathlete, Regan Wyngarde.

[Dudebro McTypo]

Remedial mathlete, Regan Wyngarde.

Remedial Mathlete is such a remedial insult, Martinique clearly proves by saying that that Regan is superior in ever way, But Martinique is still better than Pixie.

[Pixie_Solanas]

PSB is so eminently quotable.

[ProfeZZor X]

X-Factor Nation X one-shot. Iceman was never straight. Lady M even told him in his face.

So because one character says so, that makes it true?

Get educated...

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w192/Profezzor_X/Uncanny52.jpg
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w192/Profezzor_X/NorthstarsAdmission-1.jpg
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w192/Profezzor_X/IcemanSage.jpg
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w192/Profezzor_X/IcemanInfectia.jpg

[Leapfrog]

Is it me or are there a lot of treads about Iceman and his sexuality?

[darknessatnoon]

So because one character says so, that makes it true?

Get educated...

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w192/Profezzor_X/IcemanSage.jpg


Yeah, that seems straight. FYI, Lorna was never able to get Bobby into bed.

[timbox]

Who is Lady M?

You would love her, Mia. She is your type.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/18265/387800-124777-lady-mastermind_super.jpg

[Mia]

To answer your second question first: Iceman never flirted with Shatterstar. The scene you're referencing is from X-Factor: Nation X, a recent one-shot. Shatterstar has recently been revealed to be bisexual, and when X-Factor visited Utopia, during a discussion of his new sexual freedom, he paused to say "hi" to Iceman, causing Rictor to drag him away. It was essentially a puckish wink on Peter David's part to the ongoing "Is Iceman gay?" debate. But no, no flirtation.

That’s what I thought.




The other scene you referenced is from some issue of UXM back in the day, I'm going to estimate the 320's or thereabouts. It occurred immediately after the Phalanx Covenant crossover, just as Generation X was starting, and has a picture of Jubilee walking away on the cover. Anyway, Iceman goes to Emma demanding (then asking politely) that she tell him how she did the things she did with his powers while she was in his body. Along the way, she made an offhand jibe about "Did you finally realize your desire to be an interior decorator?" or words to that effect. Some people have taken that as evidence that Emma was not-so-subtly hinting he was gay. Which makes her later flirtation with him a little odd, but I know both sides have ways to explain various scenes to make them conform to their own beliefs, so make of it whatever you will.

-D


Okay thanks for that. That's what I thought. I think that these are the images you are referring to:

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd180/vittoriacolona/IcemanEmmatalk1.jpg



I am actually baffled how people can get Emma implying that Iceman is gay in that scene. It seemed pretty clear in those scenes that she was accusing him of not stretching to his full potential due to Iceman’s own fragile self-esteem and fear of failure. Self esteem was something that Lobdell and Nicieza addressed a great deal throughout their runs.




Some people have taken that as evidence that Emma was not-so-subtly hinting he was gay. Which makes her later flirtation with him a little odd,

Exactly. Now there are straight women who like flirting or seducing gay men as a challenge. But Emma doesn’t strike me as the type of woman who would go for that. And we haven’t seen her doing so in other instances. And even if that was the case I would think that Emma would want a man who is clearly out of the closet and holds no interest in women. I took it that her interest in Bobby was actually genuine. And she liked him because he helped her to take the edge off her own hyper seriousness.




but I know both sides have ways to explain various scenes to make them conform to their own beliefs, so make of it whatever you will.


Thanks a lot for that. I suspected that the accusation was just general wish fulfillment by some readers. But I just needed confirmation.

[LordAllMighty]

Would it really make a differnt if he was bi or gay?

In this day and age, I wouldn't really care.

[darknessatnoon]

I am actually baffled how people can get Emma implying that Iceman is gay in that scene. It seemed pretty clear in those scenes that she was accusing him of not stretching to his full potential due to Iceman’s own fragile self-esteem and fear of failure. Self esteem was something that Lobdell and Nicieza addressed a great deal throughout their runs.




That's not the scene. It's the one where she says he's an interior decorator at heart. Lobdell definitely was making a gay gibe.

[Pixie_Solanas]

Oh Lorna, there's not an evil bone in you!

Exactly why your orientation is in question, mister.

[Mia]

You would love her, Mia. She is your type.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/18265/387800-124777-lady-mastermind_super.jpg

Yes..she's selfish just like me. But too much of free spirit. I like my heroines to be more cold and calculating. :wink:

[darknessatnoon]

Oh Lorna, there's not an evil bone in you!

Exactly why your orientation is in question, mister.

He comes off as the sassy gay friend in all those scans.

[ProfeZZor X]

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w192/Profezzor_X/IcemanNurseAnnie.jpg
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w192/Profezzor_X/DrakeRobertsStacyX.jpg
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w192/Profezzor_X/BobbyRoulette.jpg
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w192/Profezzor_X/BobbyCecilia.jpg

[Dudebro McTypo]

Yes..she's selfish just like me. But too much of free spirit. I like my heroines to be more cold and calculating. :wink:

And you ask why would never work out Mia :tongue:

[Pixie_Solanas]

He comes off as the sassy gay friend in all those scans.

I love how Nurse Annie is the only one with a clear grasp of the obvious.

[Valeria Kementari]

Someone please post that image of him on all fours with his behind hurting after Mystique is done with him...

[ProfeZZor X]

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w192/Profezzor_X/Iceman2Infectia.jpg
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w192/Profezzor_X/BobbyCeceliakiss.jpg
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w192/Profezzor_X/Icemangetsphonenumber.jpg
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w192/Profezzor_X/IcemanEmmatalk1.jpg

[Pixie_Solanas]

That third scene you posted (with Angel at bar) was a clearcut case of overcompensation.

[ProfeZZor X]

That third scene you posted (with Angel at bar) was a clearcut case of overcompensation.

I use to like you...:frown:

[Seresecros]

What's the prob, dude? I'd love it if one of my favourite characters came out. Think of all the new fans it'd bring!

[Pixie_Solanas]

I use to like you...:frown:

Oh come on, don't be like that! Prof, there's not an evil bone in your body!

[Valeria Kementari]

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y192/valechan/bob-torch.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y192/valechan/bob-torch2.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y192/valechan/bob-torch3.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y192/valechan/gayvibes.jpg

[Valeria Kementari]

http://uncannyxmen.net/images/spotlight/iceman04a.jpg

[Valeria Kementari]

LOL Sexual Deviant

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/8812/dsc007433vc.jpg

[Pixie_Solanas]

She sounds just like Seres! Even a "hoosegow" reference!

[Havok83]

Emma wanted a piece of him. Look at her playing hard to get. They should have went with these two instead of her wtih Scott

http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/8648/genx57bobbyemma1.jpg

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/5776/genx57emmabobby.jpg

[Pixie_Solanas]

That characterization of Emma just feels all sorts of wrong. Why did she allow him to paw her face like that?

[darknessatnoon]

I enjoy how the ProfeZZor uses two women who HAVE to make some sort of forward sexual contact with their prey in order to activate their powers - Stacy X and Infectia. Of course they're going to be all over Iceman. No closet case mark is going to push them off.

[red eyes]

I think people want him to be gay to piss off iceman fans and try to sound funny.
I don't see how it's funny though.
It's like when people found out about the Rogue/Sentry thang, half the posts were just to rile up the Rogue fans, sad really :(

[darknessatnoon]

I think people want him to be gay to piss off iceman fans and try to sound funny.
I don't see how it's funny though.
It's like when people found out about the Rogue/Sentry thang, half the posts were just to rile up the Rogue fans, sad really :(

Iceman is just funny in general. :frown: sad/

[SDG]

I think people want him to be gay to piss off iceman fans and try to sound funny.
I don't see how it's funny though.
It's like when people found out about the Rogue/Sentry thang, half the posts were just to rile up the Rogue fans, sad really :(

Oh please. I'm a huge Iceman fan. Always have been (except for when Austen turned him into a douchebag).

Don't make assumptions that all Iceman fans want the same thing for the character. Personally I don't think Iceman is gay, although I do take part in the joking about it (because surprise, surprise it is actually quite funny). However, I wouldn't rule out an attraction to men. There have been little on panel moments that could be interpreted as writers trying to show that Bobby isn't as heterosexual as he makes out, and I believe it would actually be a very interesting story and could even be the cause of his lack of self-confidence.

Any writer could come along and make Iceman bisexual, and I personally think that if it were written well, then I'd be all for it.

Just because I don't agree with Profezzor X does not make me any less of an Iceman fan than him. I am perhaps just a little more open to characters being developed in certain ways. If a character was developed in a certain way, that I didn't approve of, but it was still written well and could be justified, then I'd still accept it (that goes for any character).

[red eyes]

Actually meant the non iceman fans their SDG, don't jump to assumptions that i meant his actual fans

[ProfeZZor X]

Oh please. I'm a huge Iceman fan. Always have been (except for when Austen turned him into a douchebag).

Don't make assumptions that all Iceman fans want the same thing for the character. Personally I don't think Iceman is gay, although I do take part in the joking about it (because surprise, surprise it is actually quite funny). However, I wouldn't rule out an attraction to men. There have been little on panel moments that could be interpreted as writers trying to show that Bobby isn't as heterosexual as he makes out, and I believe it would actually be a very interesting story and could even be the cause of his lack of self-confidence.

Any writer could come along and make Iceman bisexual, and I personally think that if it were written well, then I'd be all for it.

Just because I don't agree with Profezzor X does not make me any less of an Iceman fan than him. I am perhaps just a little more open to characters being developed in certain ways. If a character was developed in a certain way, that I didn't approve of, but it was still written well and could be justified, then I'd still accept it (that goes for any character).


As the saying goes: "There's proof in the pudding". And in the history of the character, no one here or anywhere else can produce an equal amount images of Bobby in male on male instances. So people need to STFU with all this "there's the possibility, because of his insecurities" crap. Marvel would have flat out came out with the truth on his bi-sexual/gay lifestyle by now, if there was any truth to it. But apparently that's not the case, and unless some writer has the balls to go full throttle with opening that can or worms with fans, people need to accept Bobby as the emotionally rejected and fun loving character that he is.

As I've said it MANY times here, I don't care if he is or isn't gay, but when people come up with selective references they recall from a single issue they've read, they fail to look at the overall history of the character to come to an analytical and educated conclusion.

[darknessatnoon]

As the saying goes: "There's proof in the pudding". And in the history of the character, no one here or anywhere else can produce an equal amount images of Bobby in male on male instances. So people need to STFU with all this "there's the possibility, because of his insecurities" crap. Marvel would have flat out came out with the truth on his bi-sexual/gay lifestyle by now, if there was any truth to it. But apparently that's not the case, and unless some writer has the balls to go full throttle with opening tht can or worms, people need to accept Bobby as the emotionally rejected and fun loving character that he is.

As I've said it MANY times here, I don't care if he is or isn't gay, but when people come up with selective references they recall from a single issue they've read, they fail to look at the overall history of the character to come to an analytical and educated conclusion.

Please, most of those images are women touching him. And CeCe didn't even like the pretend kiss he gave her.

[SDG]

Actually meant the non iceman fans their SDG, don't jump to assumptions that i meant his actual fans

Actually you said.

"I think people want him to be gay to piss off iceman fans and try to sound funny."

You made the assumption that all Iceman fans would be pissed off. Do you know this for a fact? As I said, as a huge Iceman fan I wouldn't really care so long as it was written well and could be justified. So I wouldn't feel pissed off at all, unless the story was just terribly handled and made the character look really bad.

So I didn't assume anything. Perhaps you should have phrased what you said a little more clearly is all I'm saying really. :smile:

[red eyes]

Until a credible X-writer (not fraction) says that he's gay/bi then it's not canon

[red eyes]

Double post

[Slant]

Until a credible X-writer (not fraction) says that he's gay/bi then it's not canon
Is there some kind of new rule as to what canon is around here?

[red eyes]

Is there some kind of new rule as to what canon is around here?

That was just a ploy to piss off SOME of the Fraction fans

is that better SDG???

[ProfeZZor X]

Until a credible X-writer (not fraction) says that he's gay/bi then it's not canon

My thoughts exactly... And I really don't see that happening any time soon.

So I don't understand why people keep persisting on the issue. Just because women force themselves on him doesn't mean that's a sign that he's ambiguous. Most people don't realize someone else likes them until that person drops an obvious sign on them... It's playful banter, and believable. Remember, this is a PG-13 book, not soft porn for all the X-Men men to hit on every woman they see.

[Bronze Badger]

I would think that any true Iceman fan would hope he was revealed as gay in an effort to popularize him more. If Nightcrawler was gay, I doubt he would have been killed in SC. In fact, gayness is the only thing keeping Anole around and X-Factor from cancellation.

[darknessatnoon]

That was just a ploy to piss off SOME of the Fraction fans

is that better SDG???

You're not going to find any of those here.

So let's summarize the ProfeZZor's "proof" of straightness.

1) a picture of his chaste relationship with Polaris.
2) a picture of him trying to manhandle Sage and her yanking her arm away.
3) a picture of him kissing Cecilia Reyes like a fish.
4) a picture of Emma Frost calling him an interior decorator and rubbing herself all over him because she's a horny broad in general and enjoys challenges (see Scott Summers).
5) a picture of Stacy X touching him because she thinks he's a paying John.
6) a picture of Infectia sexually assaulting him.

Did I miss anything?

[Nicoclaws]

You're not going to find any of those here.

So let's summarize the ProfeZZor's "proof" of straightness.


3) a picture of him kissing Cecilia Reyes like a fish.
4) a picture of Emma Frost calling him an interior decorator and rubbing herself all over him because she's a horny broad in general and enjoys challenges (see Scott Summers).
Did I miss anything?

Do you think Emma got aroused because he is as cold as a corpse ? (see your theories about Emma's sexuality)

I love that when he kisses Reyes he is actually checking something else out.

[red eyes]

I just think he is not, because if such a major plot would appear we would know and their would be a biggish storyline concentrating on it. Until that storyline appears he's straight.

[SDG]

That was just a ploy to piss off SOME of the Fraction fans

is that better SDG???

Look I wasn't trying to offend you, which I seem to have inadvertantly done, I was just trying to make it clear that not all fans of a character think the same way, which I'm sure you were aware of. That's just not how your post came across.

I don't think it called for rudeness on your part. :frown:

[darknessatnoon]

Do you think Emma got aroused because he is as cold as a corpse ? (see your theories about Emma's sexuality)

I love that when he kisses Reyes he is actually checking something else out.

He's checking out some of Bastion's guys to be exact. Yes, Emma is aroused by death and corpses, but I think the case is different with Iceman. She's been in his body (and he has been attracted to men with her in the driver's seat), and she wants to continue using the equipment.

[Seresecros]

Until a credible X-writer (not fraction) says that he's gay/bi then it's not canon

No. Until a writer says that he's gay/bi/straight, then we can't know for sure what he is.

[red eyes]

Actually yeah your right Seresecros. But he's never on panel had a boyfreind only several girlfreinds so i'm going to assume he's straight.......

for now

[ExodusCloak]

Actually yeah your right Seresecros. But he's never on panel had a boyfreind only several girlfreinds so i'm going to assume he's straight.......

for now

Didn't he go out with someone who turned out to be a man? Cloud was it?

[jdd1982]

As I've said it MANY times here, I don't care if he is or isn't gay, but when people come up with selective references they recall from a single issue they've read, they fail to look at the overall history of the character to come to an analytical and educated conclusion.

Can't that be said for every character in the history of Marvel?

[Seresecros]

Actually yeah your right Seresecros. But he's never on panel had a boyfreind only several girlfreinds so i'm going to assume he's straight.......

for now

Just making sure we're all on the same page!

[Guy_Smith]

Didn't he go out with someone who turned out to be a man? Cloud was it?

Cloud was neither actually. It was a sentient nebula who had come to earth and assumed the form of a couple that had been in a car crash. At first it was female, which Iceman was attracted to, however no feelings were returned because it was actually attracted to Moonstone, which is part of her powers I believe. It's feeling for Moonstone made it change into it's male form, which Iceman was not attracted to. However Iceman was a nice enough guy and came around in the end to help Cloud figure out what it actually was, which was not even human, and then it went away forever.

[ProfeZZor X]

Did I miss anything?

Actually you did... post a equal number of pictures of him with men... Better yet, just post at least ONE picture where he's affectionately kissing a male character that's Marvel canon.

Good luck with that search.

[Seresecros]

Think this is Iceman:

http://media.insidepulse.com/zones/comicsnexus/uploads/2009/07/bloke-kiss.jpg

[Mia]

Emma wanted a piece of him. Look at her playing hard to get. They should have went with these two instead of her wtih Scott

http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/8648/genx57bobbyemma1.jpg

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/5776/genx57emmabobby.jpg

OMG!!!!That is so beautiful! What Gen X isssue is it from?

[Havok83]

OMG!!!!That is so beautiful! What Gen X isssue is it from?
I belevie its Gen X 57, the 5th year anniversary issue

[ProfeZZor X]

Think this is Iceman:

http://media.insidepulse.com/zones/comicsnexus/uploads/2009/07/bloke-kiss.jpg

Try again... That's not even the same universe or time line.

[Mia]

I belevie its Gen X 57, the 5th year anniversary issue

Appreciate the info. I will hunt down the issue for sure. That scene is really nice. You can see her vulnerability underneath the icy facade. Bobby would have been good for her.

[Pixie_Solanas]

Think this is Iceman:

http://media.insidepulse.com/zones/comicsnexus/uploads/2009/07/bloke-kiss.jpg

"Bloke"????

I do love me some Allred art.

[Seres]

Appreciate the info. I will hunt down the issue for sure. That scene is really nice. You can see her vulnerability underneath the icy facade. Bobby would have been good for her.

Jesus Christ. Aren't you meant to be a champion of female strength and independence? WTF is this, Mia?

[Pixie_Solanas]

Jesus Christ. Aren't you meant to be a champion of female strength and independence? WTF is this, Mia?

A good woman is only as good as the closeted homosexual that's around to prop her up.

[Free-Man]

"Bloke"????

I do love me some Allred art.

Yup, "Bloke". He was a joke character from Milligan's X-Statix, and one of the many gays.

[The Lucky One]

I belevie its Gen X 57, the 5th year anniversary issue

Yep, it is. That's actually the issue I was thinking of earlier when I referenced Emma flirting with Bobby. Those were fun issues. Faerber's run is highly underrated.

Anyway, who cares anymore. It started out as a joke among posters, and then newer posters came along and embraced it as mostly a joke, then newer still posters took it as partially a joke, and so on. As with all internet memes, the further it gets away from the source, the more people take it seriously. It was kind of funny 5 years ago, now it's just kind of there. Enh.

-D

[M.I.Brooks]

To answer your second question first: Iceman never flirted with Shatterstar. The scene you're referencing is from X-Factor: Nation X, a recent one-shot. Shatterstar has recently been revealed to be bisexual, and when X-Factor visited Utopia, during a discussion of his new sexual freedom, he paused to say "hi" to Iceman, causing Rictor to drag him away. It was essentially a puckish wink on Peter David's part to the ongoing "Is Iceman gay?" debate. But no, no flirtation.

The other scene you referenced is from some issue of UXM back in the day, I'm going to estimate the 320's or thereabouts. It occurred immediately after the Phalanx Covenant crossover, just as Generation X was starting, and has a picture of Jubilee walking away on the cover. Anyway, Iceman goes to Emma demanding (then asking politely) that she tell him how she did the things she did with his powers while she was in his body. Along the way, she made an offhand jibe about "Did you finally realize your desire to be an interior decorator?" or words to that effect. Some people have taken that as evidence that Emma was not-so-subtly hinting he was gay. Which makes her later flirtation with him a little odd, but I know both sides have ways to explain various scenes to make them conform to their own beliefs, so make of it whatever you will.

-D

This is a correct answer.
Though he did have an unusual stance when he did so. :wink:

[Bronze Badger]

New info regarding Iceman once again calls into question his sexuality:

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/4/47520/903190-xmen4koma_003_super.png

[M.I.Brooks]

New info regarding Iceman once again calls into question his sexuality:

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/4/47520/903190-xmen4koma_003_super.png
Heh, I love this one so much. That and the Namor/Cyclops showdown.