Who are Marvel's Lesbian Characters?

[thecrimson]

Which characters are lesbians? Do you think they are handled well?

Supply specific issues to backup your claims.

[Mia]

I only know of Victoria Hand. And (thus far) yes I would say that she is handled well. While her sexuality was revealed in an issue of DA, we haven't been hit over the head with it ad nauseum. I am guessing that now that she has or will be brought into one of the Avengers books in a supporting role. We will eventually get a glimpse into her private life.

[Personamanx]

Karolina Dean from "Runaways". She's a solidly written character.

[thecrimson]

I only know of Victoria Hand. And (thus far) yes I would say that she is handled well. While her sexuality was revealed in an issue of DA, we haven't been hit over the head with it ad nauseum. I am guessing that now that she has or will be brought into one of the Avengers books in a supporting role. We will eventually get a glimpse into her private life.

What issue was it revealed in? And what Avengers book is she being put in?

[coveredinbees]

Dark Avengers 11 or 12
New Avengers




Karma, Moondragon, Phyla-Vell, Luna, Marlo Chandler

[thecrimson]

Dark Avengers 11 or 12
New Avengers




Karma, Moondragon, Phyla-Vell, Luna, Marlo Chandler

Isn't New Avengers being canceled? And I subscribed to it and have only three issues.

[coveredinbees]

Isn't New Avengers being canceled? And I subscribed to it and have only three issues.
http://www.comicvine.com/news/who-are-the-new-new-avengers/140522/
http://marvel.com/catalog/?id=15559

Vicky is gay. (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=3806)

[Gryphon]

Dark Avengers 11 or 12
New Avengers




Karma, Moondragon, Phyla-Vell, Luna, Marlo Chandler

isnt marlo bi?

[coveredinbees]

isnt marlo bi?
Yeah, I think Moondragon actually is, too.

[Gryphon]

Yeah, I think Moondragon actually is, too.

in that case. i think storm was mentioned as being bi once but its almost never mentioned

[LordEd1976]

Karma, Moondragon, Phyla-Vell, Luna, Marlo Chandler

Luna? as in Quicksilver and Crystal's Luna?

[pryde15]

in that case. i think storm was mentioned as being bi once but its almost never mentioned

I don't know if that should be taken into consideration, the writer I'm assuming was Chris Claremont who pits all of his female leads into lesbian relationships...it's been a recurring theme with his work but it is never picked up upon afterwards.

[stewart48]

Dark Avengers 11 or 12
New Avengers




Karma, Moondragon, Phyla-Vell, Luna, Marlo Chandler

I don't follow the character to know but is that Karma From the X-Men? This has creeped in my mind several times, but does it seem at times there are more gay characters in X-Men than ethnic minorities. Just 2-3 percent of the population are gay.

[coveredinbees]

EDIT: Bling! (X-Men) is a lesbian.


Luna? as in Quicksilver and Crystal's Luna?
No, from New Mutants v2 and New X-Men.


I don't follow the character to know but is that Karma From the X-Men? This has creeped in my mind several times, but does it seem at times there are more gay characters in X-Men than ethnic minorities. Just 2-3 percent of the population are gay.
She is.
There are not.

[stewart48]

No, from New Mutants v2 and New X-Men.


She is.
There are not.

What is the ratio to white english speaking characters to other ethnic characters.

Prove it.:biggrin:

[coveredinbees]

LOL I don't know. Shouldn't you look this up?

Anyhow, http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=303001

[Personamanx]

What is the ratio to white english speaking characters to other ethnic characters.

Prove it.:biggrin:

I'd do it, but I don't have a Calculator on hand, and there are a lot of X-men, and X-characters who some consider X-men, and others don't.

[stewart48]

LOL I don't know. Shouldn't you look this up?

Anyhow, http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=303001

nah, just kidding, but whenever I read X-Men I do find myself asking how it works out gay characters have an even number of gay mutants they can hook up with or how frustrating it is to try and play the field when they are stranded on an island with limited options.

[pryde15]

Gay-
Northstar
Anole
Greymalkin
Karma
Bling!
Iceman (just a guess)
Indra (just a guess)

Ethnic-
Storm
Sway
Darwin
Sunfire
Thunderbird
Psylocke (well as of now)
Forge
Jubilee
Bishop
Cece Reyes
Maggott
Thunderbird III
Dani Moonstar
Sage
Warpath
Omega Sentinel
Armor
Karma
Sunspot
Cloak
Synch
Monet
Rictor
Indra
Dust
Prodigy
Surge
Gentle



I feel like I am missing a few...or a lot.

[Mia]

I don't follow the character to know but is that Karma From the X-Men?

Yeah Karma in the X-Men is one too. I can't believe I forgot all about her!:redface: Shame on me. I like her too she's a cool chick. I like the way she took over guardian ship of her younger siblings.



This has creeped in my mind several times, but does it seem at times there are more gay characters in X-Men than ethnic minorities. Just 2-3 percent of the population are gay.

Someone brought this up in the X-Men thread. I actually think that the ratio is greater for ethnic (read non-white) X-Men. But when I think about the gay characters are so marginalized and are pretty much used as supporting characters. I mean I know that is not saying much since Legacy and UXM tend to revolve around a few key characters. But even taking that into account. They are primarily used as back drops and don't have any major roles in the books.

[Iron Maiden]

Gay-
Northstar
Anole
Greymalkin
Karma
Bling!
Iceman (just a guess)
Indra (just a guess)

Ethnic-
Storm
Sway
Darwin
Sunfire
Thunderbird
Psylocke (well as of now)
Forge
Jubilee
Bishop
Cece Reyes
Maggott
Thunderbird III
Dani Moonstar
Sage
Warpath
Omega Sentinel
Armor
Karma
Sunspot
Cloak
Synch
Monet
Rictor
Indra
Dust
Prodigy
Surge
Gentle



I feel like I am missing a few...or a lot.

Yeah, like a lot of characters outside of the X-Men ... LOL

Well, if you're talking ethnic as being anything non-WASP, here's a few more off the top of my head.

Romani - Victor Von Doom. Probably one of the first major Marvel characters revealed to be from an ethnic group.

Jewish... Ben Grimm, Magneto, Wanda and Pietro (Romani mother, too I guess)

Kasper Cole (Jewish mother, African American father)

Hector Ayala, the White Tiger (Hispanic, born in Puerto Rico)

African American:

Luke Cage

Monica Rambeau

Ben Grimm's friend Desmond Pitt who was biologically re-engineered into Darkoth the Death Demon by Doom

Thunderball of the Wrecking Crew
Chemistro

[pryde15]

Yeah, like a lot of characters outside of the X-Men ... LOL

My comment was just in recollection of stewart48's post about how many gays actually exist in the X-Men. But otherwise, I would be missing quite a bunch. lol

[Seres]

Mercury from the New X-Men was outed in 'Pixie Strikes Back'.

[Frogboy]

She's an older character, but one of my favorites.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20061211211424/marveldatabase/images/thumb/9/96/Victoria_Montesi_%28Earth-616%29.jpg/200px-Victoria_Montesi_%28Earth-616%29.jpg

Victoria Montesi, the leader of the Darkholde Redeemers. Unless I'm wrong, she was marvel's first officially lesbian character.

[contreras9977]

Can't remember her name but that Vietnamese hooker/assassin from the '90s Silver Sable & the Wild Pack was revealed to be a lesbian.

Chen?

[Dermie]

Yeah, I think Moondragon actually is, too.

No, Moondragon is a lesbian (or at least, that is how her coming out was handled, and how she has been written ever since). Just because she has prior experience with guys doesn't make her bisexual.

Marlo, however, is bisexual or possibly even just bi-curious, since Moondragon was the only woman she was ever attracted to and she left her to go back to her husband.

[Jostiel]

Which characters are lesbians? Do you think they are handled well?

Best thread ever! :biggrin:

[LordAllMighty]

No, Moondragon is a lesbian (or at least, that is how her coming out was handled, and how she has been written ever since). Just because she has prior experience with guys doesn't make her bisexual.

Marlo, however, is bisexual or possibly even just bi-curious, since Moondragon was the only woman she was ever attracted to and she left her to go back to her husband.

I actaully like Moonie as Bi, it kind of plays into her I'm a goddess and I'm above sexuality.

[Grapeweasel]

In my continuity, they all are......

[Psycwave]

Lesbians/Bi-sexual women I know of

Victoria Hand
Mystique
Destiny
MoonDragon
Phyla-Vell
Karma
Victoria Montesi
Karolina Dean
Xavin(kinda)
Inertia(from Squadron Supreme)
Bling!

[Monty_Cristo]

Victoria Hand needs a new girlfriend. her parents must be wondering when she'll settle down.

[Ghostwise]

Can't remember her name but that Vietnamese hooker/assassin from the '90s Silver Sable & the Wild Pack was revealed to be a lesbian.

Chen?

Yeah, Amy Chen but she's just called Chen (http://www.writeups.org/fiche.php?id=2819). She had a big crush on her boss.

[lou-bert vs. q-bert]

Victoria Hand needs a new girlfriend.
Amy Chen but she's just called ChenSo who is going to play matchmaker for these two fine ladies.

[Ghostwise]

So who is going to play matchmaker for these two fine ladies.

Traditionally, Greg Rucka.

I kid, I kid. :biggrin:

[bjarten]

No, from New Mutants v2 and New X-Men.



Who is this Luna from New Mutants v2 and New X-Men? I can't remember a character with that name.

[Home made ectoplasm]

Claremont wrote Storm as a lesbian, but that has been retconned.

[Seres]

Who is this Luna from New Mutants v2 and New X-Men? I can't remember a character with that name.

She was a waitress Karma hooked up with a few times. They're still friends with benefits, provided Luna agrees to put on a Kitty Pryde outfit/wig.


Claremont wrote Storm as a lesbian, but that has been retconned.

Has it?

[Gryphon]

I don't know if that should be taken into consideration, the writer I'm assuming was Chris Claremont who pits all of his female leads into lesbian relationships...it's been a recurring theme with his work but it is never picked up upon afterwards.

that is true. in fact when he came back to xmen, he did that a bit even when it didnt make sense, or so im told

[Pixie_Solanas]

Yeah, Amy Chen but she's just called Chen (http://www.writeups.org/fiche.php?id=2819). She had a big crush on her boss.

Of course! Only a dyke would have that kind of haircut!

[Ghostwise]

Of course! Only a dyke would have that kind of haircut!

Or maybe she's just a Wolverine fan.

[worstblogever]

Skein is bisexual, as well. She was hitting on Songbird during her time in Thunderbolts. (And that might shed new light on her rivalry with Spider-Woman when she was Gypsy Moth).

[Dendrelli]

Mercury from the New X-Men was outed in 'Pixie Strikes Back'.

Wait, what? When?

If that's true I really need to read my comics more thoroughly.

[Seres]

Wait, what? When?

If that's true I really need to read my comics more thoroughly.

I would not lie to you.

[worstblogever]

I would not lie to you.

You might be prone to exaggeration, though.

[Seres]

You might be prone to exaggeration, though.

I can't possibly imagine that anyone would think that of me.

[worstblogever]

I can't possibly imagine that anyone would think that of me.

If there is one thing I know you can do, it's imagine. The Darkstar Wars was an epic saga.

Needed more lesbians, though.

[Seres]

If there is one thing I know you can do, it's imagine. The Darkstar Wars was an epic saga.

Needed more lesbians, though.

You troll! You know I didn't write that! Or read it, for that matter. Wasn't Mystique in it?

On-topic, I have always considered Polaris to be repressing her true sexuality.

[Dermie]

Skein is bisexual, as well. She was hitting on Songbird during her time in Thunderbolts. (And that might shed new light on her rivalry with Spider-Woman when she was Gypsy Moth).

Thunderbolts had several gay and bi characters. Man-Killer/Amazon is a lesbian, Skein/Gypsy Moth and Joystick were bisexual.

[contreras9977]

Thunderbolts had several gay and bi characters. Man-Killer/Amazon is a lesbian, Skein/Gypsy Moth and Joystick were bisexual.
Didn't Mankiller go out with Atlas?

[Nyssane]

Anaconda should be bisexual.

Poundcakes should be straight-up gay.

[Kanra]

Forgive my ignorance, but when was Bling! revealed to be a lesbian?

[Seres]

Forgive my ignorance, but when was Bling! revealed to be a lesbian?

She had a crush on Foxx. Then on Rogue. And now she is in love with Rogue, as seen in X-Men Legacy.

[Icefalcon]

Well, if you're talking ethnic as being anything non-WASP, here's a few more off the top of my head.

Romani - Victor Von Doom. Probably one of the first major Marvel characters revealed to be from an ethnic group.

Jewish... Ben Grimm, Magneto, Wanda and Pietro (Romani mother, too I guess)



Is being Jewish an ethnicity then?
I thought it was a religious persuasion.
Anybody out there who is actually Jewish want to chip in?

[Seres]

Is being Jewish an ethnicity then?
I thought it was a religious persuasion.
Anybody out there who is actually Jewish want to chip in?

It's both!

[Ghostwise]

It's both!

Or it can be either.

EDIT - neither Wanda or Piestro or Jewish, BTW. As noted Magda was a Romany woman (as the Pak stories confirm), and they do not appear to practice the Judaic faith.

[Icefalcon]

It's both!

Well that's something I honestly didn't know.

[Seres]

Well that's something I honestly didn't know.

I am here to help. Did you know that Mercury is now a lesbian?

[Ghostwise]

Well that's something I honestly didn't know.

Traditionally it's matrilineal, so the children of a Jewish mother are Jewish whether they are religious or not.

People can also convert into the faith, though that's unusual and can be difficult. But once they do most Rabbis will consider them to be Jewish.

There are also at least two African cultures who claim to be Jewish - their faith including many Judaic elements and references. One has been recognised to be Jewish by more mainstream rabbis.

[Icefalcon]

Thanks for the info Ghostwise and Seres, I feel like I should've known more about the Jewish people but I'm definitely not as knowledgeable as I'd like to be. I appreciate you taking the time to explain.

[ImmortalIronFist]

Has it?

Well, she's (Storm) at least bi since she's married to T'Challa and they have sex.

[Seres]

Well, she's (Storm) at least bi since she's married to T'Challa and they have sex.

From what I've read, she is being held as a slave? I don't think she has a choice in the matter.

[contreras9977]

Wait, what? When?

If that's true I really need to read my comics more thoroughly.

Apparently its just another of the juvenile sexual fantasies/jokes peppered throughout the x-forum.

[Seres]

Apparently its just another of the juvenile sexual fantasies/jokes peppered throughout the x-forum.

No it isn't. Kathryn Immonen is keen on the idea.

[Dermie]

Didn't Mankiller go out with Atlas?

No. They became somewhat friendly when she was hiding out as a bartender, and he was pretending he didn't recognize her. He may have started to develop a crush on her, but she laughed in his face at the idea of them dating.

[coveredinbees]

There's also that unnamed woman in Uncanny #50?. She might be a new character. I'm not sure.


Who is this Luna from New Mutants v2 and New X-Men? I can't remember a character with that name.
New Mutants v2 She hit on Dani. Dani was too shy to tell Luna she's not a lesbian, so she brought Karma to the store. Karma turned Luna down, but I think they probably started dating. Weir and DeFillipis had a story planned with Karma kissing a girlfriend.
Academy X Surge worked in her coffee store.
New X-Men Kimura blew up the store with her inside.


On-topic, I have always considered Polaris to be repressing her true sexuality.
I agree. I would also agree with Spiral and Lady Deathstrike.

[mariayoursmotheringme]

Psylocke..closet bisexual?

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[Pixie_Solanas]

I feel like this thread's purpose is helpfully catalog all masturbatory fuel for teenage horndogs.

[PO!]

BLING¡! from new xmen
Amy Chen, Julie Power, Melissa Maro, Sunfire II , Man-Killer, Mistique

[CaptainOtter]

I feel like this thread's purpose is helpfully catalog all masturbatory fuel for teenage horndogs.

And it's doing a fantastic job.

[Ghostwise]

I feel like this thread's purpose is helpfully catalog all masturbatory fuel for teenage horndogs.

I shall confidently say - "that's their problem". :smile:

[StoneGold]

Yeah, Amy Chen but she's just called Chen (http://www.writeups.org/fiche.php?id=2819). She had a big crush on her boss.

If I recall, there were some hints that Sable had occasionally indulged Chen in that crush.

[Ghostwise]

If I recall, there were some hints that Sable had occasionally indulged Chen in that crush.

I don't recall that, though of course I'm not - alas - infallible. Sable's romantic arcs at that point were mostly about her pining after the worst men - if men were food Sablinova would be stuffing her face with Big Macs.


The French dude she was with at that point, Mr. Girard, seemed sort of decent so of course she ended up dumping him.


Mmm, checking my notes Amy Chen appears in 1992, though her orientation is only mentioned in '93. She's thus an exact contemporary of Vicky Montesi, who has been mentioned in this thread. Right now I can't think of a bi or lesbian character at Marvel before that, which seems odd. Any idea ?

[Jason Abbadon]

Karma's gay?
Man, she's got ALL the chips on her shoulder-
Minority
Gay
Mutant
Disabled

She's got all the bumper stickers, baby!

Really, all she needs is "Alien" and "Cyborg" to have a sweep- and you can bet "Cyborg" is right around the corner: the X-Teams must get their funding rom patents on mechanical legs or something....

[Ghostwise]

Karma's gay?

IIRC it was mentioned in the 2002 Mekanix mini-series



Man, she's got ALL the chips on her shoulder-
Minority
Gay
Mutant
Disabled

She's got all the bumper stickers, baby!.

And she also used to be obese (though she was possessed) and probably gets welfare as the single caretaker of two young children ! :tongue:

[Seres]

And she also used to be obese

Non-canon! Non-canon!

[Ghostwise]

Non-canon! Non-canon!

The whole Amahl Farouk/Gladiators storyline is non-canon now ?

(not to mention that she still appeared as morbidly obese at the beginning of the super-classic Asgardian storyline, where she recovered her preferred weight in that weird desert).

[contreras9977]

The whole Amahl Farouk/Gladiators storyline is non-canon now ?

(not to mention that she still appeared as morbidly obese at the beginning of the super-classic Asgardian storyline, where she recovered her preferred weight in that weird desert).

Its canon. That was just Seres attempt at being witty.

[Seres]

Its canon. That was just Seres attempt at being witty.

Try not to be a completely miserable dead-weight, contreras. Ghostwise knows perfectly well what I mean.

[Scavenger]

Despite Forum fantasies and trolls, Storm has never been a lesbian.

Rachel on the other hand...

[inane geek]

in that case. i think storm was mentioned as being bi once but its almost never mentioned

Storms not bi? surely

[inane geek]

mystique and destiny were getting it on too

[StoneGold]

I don't recall that, though of course I'm not - alas - infallible. Sable's romantic arcs at that point were mostly about her pining after the worst men - if men were food Sablinova would be stuffing her face with Big Macs.


The French dude she was with at that point, Mr. Girard, seemed sort of decent so of course she ended up dumping him.


Mmm, checking my notes Amy Chen appears in 1992, though her orientation is only mentioned in '93. She's thus an exact contemporary of Vicky Montesi, who has been mentioned in this thread. Right now I can't think of a bi or lesbian character at Marvel before that, which seems odd. Any idea ?
I'm pretty sure there was some innuendo that they'd been together, but that's it. And if I recall, it was used in the book mostly to just make Powell shut up. So nothing spelled out, but the lines weren't that hard to read between. There was a lot of that with Sable. I've been counting her as at least ethnically Jewish for years because of the book, what with her Yiddish-speaking Uncle Morty, her Nazi-hunting father, the name of her weapon, etc. But it was never actually spelled out in the comics.

[Jason Abbadon]

Well, she's (Storm) at least bi since she's married to T'Challa and they have sex.
Yeah, but storm straps it on...

[Jason Abbadon]

IIRC it was mentioned in the 2002 Mekanix mini-series




And she also used to be obese (though she was possessed) and probably gets welfare as the single caretaker of two young children ! :tongue:

HEY! That's right- where have those brats gotten off to? I bet they're in a foster home with Pepper Potts' kids, Dum Dum Dugan's wife and kids, Gabe Jones' wife and Volstagg's wife and dozen or so children.

they're all in the Marvel Protection Program- hiding the families of various chraracters from writers that would do them harm.

[contreras9977]

HEY! That's right- where have those brats gotten off to? I bet they're in a foster home with Pepper Potts' kids, Dum Dum Dugan's wife and kids, Gabe Jones' wife and Volstagg's wife and dozen or so children.

they're all in the Marvel Protection Program- hiding the families of various chraracters from writers that would do them harm.

Last I remember the twins showed up in New X-Men during family day.

I wish Marvel would talk about the relationship Karma had with Cypher when both were still New Mutants. It could be an interesting topic about homosexual teenagers not knowing what their sexuality is.

[Scavenger]

I wish Marvel would talk about the relationship Karma had with Cypher when both were still New Mutants. It could be an interesting topic about homosexual teenagers not knowing what their sexuality is.

I don't recall a relationship between Karma and Cypher.

[Ghostwise]

I've been counting her as at least ethnically Jewish for years because of the book, what with her Yiddish-speaking Uncle Morty, her Nazi-hunting father, the name of her weapon, etc. But it was never actually spelled out in the comics.

I super-vaguely remember the bit you mention about Powell, but it's just too old. Everybody liked to shock Powell, though, like when he utterly panicked at the notion his sister (Sam, right ?) might date a Black guy.


That the Sablinovas might be Jewish is possible, but Symkaria is such an improbable smorgasbord of European cultures (much like Latveria) it's hard to tell... The Marvel Atlas *might* hint at a Jewish population there before the Shoah, but it's pretty fuzzy. And the history of the country, and the way the creation of the Six Pack is told, is meant to give them their own motivations to go a-Nazi hunting.

[Ghostwise]

mystique and destiny were getting it on too

Actually they might be Marvel's first lesbian characters... I vaguely remember reading something about that.

(Though of course Mystique is, in practice, pangendered).

[contreras9977]

I don't recall a relationship between Karma and Cypher.
I think it was in New Mutants #83 with the Hercules cover. Magma was recalling the time she met Hercules.

I super-vaguely remember the bit you mention about Powell, but it's just too old. Everybody liked to shock Powell, though, like when he utterly panicked at the notion his sister (Sam, right ?) might date a Black guy.


Yep Sam who was Powell's cousin and the Wild Pack's PR person. I think the black guy in question was Battlestar, USAgent's side-kick Bucky. Been years since I've read that run.

[Jason Abbadon]

Despite Forum fantasies and trolls, Storm has never been a lesbian.

Rachel on the other hand...
I think Rachel is pretty straight- pining for some SHIELD tool that was married (back in Wolverine) and knocking boots with that S'Hiar guy with the goofy anime sword O' phionex force.

[Ghostwise]

I think Rachel is pretty straight- pining for some SHIELD tool that was married (back in Wolverine) and knocking boots with that S'Hiar guy with the goofy anime sword O' phionex force.

Apparently nobody ever remember his name. :smile:

Korvus.

http://www.writeups.org/img/inset/Korvus_h.jpg (http://www.writeups.org/fiche.php?id=4220)

[Jason Abbadon]

How does he tie his shoes with that belt on?

[thecrimson]

Well, she's (Storm) at least bi since she's married to T'Challa and they have sex.

When was it revealed she was bi?

[thecrimson]

From now on, please supply specific issues to back up your claims.

[thecrimson]

What comic was it where Marlo Chandler was attracted to Moondragon? What issue was it?

[Dermie]

What comic was it where Marlo Chandler was attracted to Moondragon? What issue was it?

They had their first kiss in CAPTAIN MARVEL #32, and Marlo left Rick to explore her feelings for Moondragon in #35. They were together for several months, but she eventually parted on good terms from Moondragon (who went on to get involved with CM's sister Phyla) and went back to Rick.

[thecrimson]

They had their first kiss in CAPTAIN MARVEL #32, and Marlo left Rick to explore her feelings for Moondragon in #35. They were together for several months, but she eventually parted on good terms from Moondragon (who went on to get involved with CM's sister Phyla) and went back to Rick.

What issue did Moondragon get together with Phyla? And when was Moondragon revealed as a lesbian?

[Dermie]

What issue did Moondragon get together with Phyla? And when was Moondragon revealed as a lesbian?

The final issue of CAPTAIN MARVEL (vol.4 #25) was the start of the Moondragon/Phyla relationship. Moondragon coming out as a lesbian happened in #32-35 (32 being when she first started to realize it, and #35 being when she first admitted it out loud).

[thecrimson]

In what issues of the X-Men or X-related is Karma portrayed and revealed as a lesbian? What subsequent issues deal with that?

Also, what issues deal with Mystique and Destiny's relationship?

[Ghostwise]

How does he tie his shoes with that belt on?

Shi'ar abs are a thing of fierce and crushing might. Just ask Rachel.

[Ghostwise]

In what issues of the X-Men or X-related is Karma portrayed and revealed as a lesbian? What subsequent issues deal with that?

The Mekanix LS, IIRC, where X'ian stumble upon her buddy Kitty after not having seen her in years.


Also, what issues deal with Mystique and Destiny's relationship?

Marvel Fanfare #40 has a series of clear implications. It's not like Forbush-Man passes by with a placard reading "OMG THEY ARE BOFFING EACH OTHER !", but it clearly seems to be the story given the words the use and how they touch each other and dance together.

[akumasan]

Yes im reviving an old thread but as of right now the best depiction is Moondragon and Phyla veil. You see it all the time in Guardians of the Galaxy.

[Ravenwing263]

In what issues of the X-Men or X-related is Karma portrayed and revealed as a lesbian? What subsequent issues deal with that?

Also, what issues deal with Mystique and Destiny's relationship?

It was X-Force #175 - during the Road Trip period - that started the ball rolling. She was not specifically referred to as a lesbian, but X-Force stumbled upon her at Burning Man with blue hair and new body piercings and it was ... pretty clearly hinted.

When she next appeared - in the three issue New Mutants miniseries (collected as New Mutants: Truth or Dare), her hair was back to normal and nothing of her sexuality was mentioned.

Claremount - never being one to turn down lesbianism - reunited her with Kitty Pryde in the six-issue Mekanix miniseries (which I believe was collected as X-Treme X-men: Mekanix). This is where it was finally established out loud that she is, in fact a lesbian.

She returned to the Xavier Instititue shortly after the "Tsunami" version of New Mutants launched, in that book, and remained a supporting cast member of that book until it was cancelled and relaunched as New X-men: Academy X. She was a supporting cast member in that book until the original creators' run ended with New X-men: Academy X #19; post-House of M, and starting with New X-Men #20 (It dropped the "Academy X" as of that issue), the book went in a very different direction and the older characters disappeared from the book.

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I kind of feel like Karma should change her name to Karma Punk'd

She's been
made a refugee
raped
blackmailed
possessed
made fat???
Had her siblings kidnapped
blackmailed again
finally leg cut off

seriosuly of all the things X-men have done to earn bad karma I think X'ian is pretty low on that list and she get wailed upon by karma