For Buyers of the Book: Are you Happy with ASM?

[whiteshark]

But again, how does arguing about the definition of what Mephisto is change the fundamental problem people have with the title? They didn't like Peter's actions. It seems like an attempt to confuse the issue and make the other person look bad/ foolish, rather than address the actual issue the person is talking about.

If i don`t agree with a reasoning i just don`t agree,thus why because i discuss it.
Being in a comic book forum,i don`t see a better place to discuss comic books.
If i see somebody saying that Namor is actually a fish instead of a mutant,i will discuss that.
The same thing to exagerated conotations to Mephisto said by some posters,which if i don`t agree with will be discussing it.
Not as much as clouding a issue but rather discussing something i don`t agree with.

[Farmernudie]

Spell my nickname right damnit!! :wink:

Upon studying the meaning of your "name"...my studies have revealed teh following...

SCH is a type of music, constantly changing, radically unconventional and experimental: sometimes cursorily referred as "a mix of Laibach, modern dance electronica, punk edge and Bosnian"

MED is a medication.

Thus, as one who studies names, and their origins, (not really)...I've deduced your name SCH-MED to mean that you are "A PUNK MUSICAL EXPERIMENTAL MEDICATION FROM BOSNIA"

You can send me a check for $19.95 for this information about yourself, made out to "Nudie in NY", (Not Dan Slott) and for 3 more easy installments of $39.95, I'll also send you pictures of your engaged gorilla days and that incident in Wendys also! (you'll conveniently spot Whiteshark in the background waving the pickles!)

:smile:

[whiteshark]

It's fan entitlement. Some people here feel as if they own the character and they have a say in what should be done with said character.




I never had that fan entitlement,i was always aware that Spider-Man was not just writen for me but rather for many people.
So as that if i did not like the stories of Spider-Man at any time i rather move on to other comic book i would actually enjoy reading.
Instead of just going to comic book forums complain for years and years like i own the character or something.

[Farmernudie]

You can't put a mask on on the argument.



Actually, it hasn't been revealed yet, but Dan Slott IS One More Day. :biggrin:

[whiteshark]

But the numbers actually show how much product is actually being sold to the retailers.


And if the market of comic books today is diferent in units sold from the past is not fair to compare numbers of diferent markets,is it?
Which is why the rankings give you a more neutral idea of how the comic books compared to each other without the numbers,since those numbers depend of the context of the market which vary much.

[Regulus B.]

I never had that fan entitlement,i was always aware that Spider-Man was not just writen for me but rather for many people.
So as that if i did not like the stories of Spider-Man at any time i rather move on to other comic book i would actually enjoy reading.
Instead of just going to comic book forums complain for years and years like i own the character or something.

Exactly. Personally, I'm just grateful that I'm enjoying the book for now and hopefully I'll continue to enjoy it for a while. But hey, I need laying off, so what do I know? :tongue:

[whiteshark]

Exactly. Personally, I'm just grateful that I'm enjoying the book for now and hopefully I'll continue to enjoy it for a while. But hey, I need laying off, so what do I know? :tongue:

I think the same,i apreciate that the stories are done in a way that i enjoy reading them and hopefully they stay as good or even better for me to keep enjoying reading them in the future.
Anyways if the creative team remains the same,with the way the stories have been i can just guess that stories will keep on being great.

[arp2008]

Just want to make sure I'm reading the stats right...

Out of the people who actually buy the book:
Less than 13% of those people aren't happy with it.
And over 87% of those people ARE happy with it.

That's a pretty good approval rating there.
Sounds like if you buy the book and give it a shot, there's a pretty darn good chance you'll be happy with it. :wink:Don't be hoodwinked, Mr. Slott. The 87% there is only voting as such to spite those of us naysayers who refuse to by ASM until it's been rectified.

[Regulus B.]

Don't be hoodwinked, Mr. Slott. The 87% there is only voting as such to spite those of us naysayers who refuse to by ASM until it's been rectified.

How do we know the opposite isn't true?

Maybe some of you who say you aren't buying or enjoying are secretly getting under the table copies that you love, but you just can't admit that on the boards. :tongue:

[Gabe De Los Muertos]

Don't be hoodwinked, Mr. Slott. The 87% there is only voting as such to spite those of us naysayers who refuse to by ASM until it's been rectified.

The marriage isn't going to come back. Spend your money elsewhere if you don't like it. Oh wait, you didn't buy ASM in the first place. Arp I don't know why you feel so bothered about this.

[arp2008]

The marriage isn't going to come back. Spend your money elsewhere if you don't like it. Oh wait, you didn't buy ASM in the first place. Arp I don't know why you feel so bothered about this.

It's nice to see you again, too, DetectiveDupin. :tongue:

Why am I so disgusted and appalled? Because Spidey is, or rather, was my nonpareiled favorite comic book character. It is in large part thanks to him my passion for this medium is an intense as it is to not be able to enjoy his stories above all else is more bothersome than you can fathom.


How do we know the opposite isn't true?

Maybe some of you who say you aren't buying or enjoying are secretly getting under the table copies that you love, but you just can't admit that on the boards. :tongue:As insufferable as I find ASM at times, I doubt I could if I chose to.

[Gabe De Los Muertos]

It's nice to see you again, too, DetectiveDupin. :tongue:

Why am I so disgusted and appalled? Because Spidey is, or rather, was my nonpareiled favorite comic book character. It is in large part thanks to him my passion for this medium is an intense as it is to not be able to enjoy his stories above all else is more bothersome than you can fathom.


Why are you disgusted? What Matt Murdock does is far more shady than what
Peter does.

[arp2008]

Why are you disgusted? What Matt Murdock does is far more shady than what
Peter does.While Peter has been disgusting me lately, it's not him I was referring to. I was referring to the retcon itself.

[Gabe De Los Muertos]

While Peter has been disgusting me lately, it's not him I was referring to. I was referring to the retcon itself.

And what? Comics get retconned all the time.

[arp2008]

And what? Comics get retconned all the time.

Often time not to the extent ASM was.

[Gabe De Los Muertos]

Often time not to the extent ASM was.

It wasn't that bad though. Everything happened, just Peter and MJ were never married and Harry never died.

[RDMacQ]

And if the market of comic books today is diferent in units sold from the past is not fair to compare numbers of diferent markets,is it?
Which is why the rankings give you a more neutral idea of how the comic books compared to each other without the numbers,since those numbers depend of the context of the market which vary much.

Which could also be said about the rankings, since they were ALSO part of a different comics market.

[arp2008]

It wasn't that bad though. Everything happened, just Peter and MJ were never married and Harry never died.Even in the Marvel Universe were believe must be suspended high in order to enjoy and not raise an eyebrow at most of their stories, that's a load of horse dropping. EVERYTHING should be different if Peter and MJ we're really married. It's that specific bond that influenced certain stories and brought them to the place they were for the retcon to happen in the first place. Simply put, it makes no sense. But, as Marvel so carelessly explains it, it's all magic. Such BS. But lets not get into that again, shall we.

[Gabe De Los Muertos]

Even in the Marvel Universe were believe must be suspended high in order to enjoy and not raise an eyebrow at most of their stories, that's a load of horse dropping. EVERYTHING should be different if Peter and MJ we're really married. It's that specific bond that influenced certain stories and brought them to the place they were for the retcon to happen in the first place. Simply put, it makes no sense. But, as Marvel so carelessly explains it, it's all magic. Such BS. But lets not get into that again, shall we.

I'm just going to say, you can love someone unconditionally and be with them all your life and you don't have to married.

[arp2008]

I'm just going to say, you can love someone unconditionally and be with them all your life and you don't have to married.

Of course one can. As mammals, marriage is against human nature anyway. :wink:

[mikekerr3]

Why are you disgusted? What Matt Murdock does is far more shady than what
Peter does.

Not even close. Matt mind controls the humans race and makes deals with someone who is functionally the devil? What book is that in?

[coconutphone]

Not even close. Matt mind controls the humans race and makes deals with someone who is functionally the devil? What book is that in?

Uhh... Daredevil 2...28?

:cool:

[arp2008]

Not even close. Matt mind controls the humans race and makes deals with someone who is functionally the devil? What book is that in?

What are you talking about?

[Gabe De Los Muertos]

Not even close. Matt mind controls the humans race and makes deals with someone who is functionally the devil? What book is that in?

Didn't Matt sleep with other women while his wife was in a coma? Doesn't he front a terrorist organization?

[coconutphone]

What are you talking about?

The Psychic Blindspot Spidey orchestrated.

[Combustible Pumpkins]

Lovin' the new series! It's been a great success so far, and it keeps getting better.

[arp2008]

The Psychic Blindspot Spidey orchestrated.

Oh, yes, that piece of horse fecal matter. Yes. I remember. And only DD realizes he even has it. Were I in DD's position, I would have inquired about it. Who better to find out the truth?

[Gabe De Los Muertos]

Oh, yes, that peice of horse fecal matter. Yes. I remember. And only DD realizes heeven has it. Were I in DD's position, I would have inquired about it. Who better to find out the truth?

You spelled "piece" wrong. And "heaven". Just saying.

[arp2008]

You spelled "piece" wrong. And "heaven". Just saying.

Meh. I'm only human, not microsoft word.

[coconutphone]

Funnily enough I'm reading the time in DD where his ID was known (but not confirmed) by the general public and it's just fantastic storytelling. Too bad the sentiment with the Spidey Office was that it need to be used as a means to an end rather than really let it play out.

[arp2008]

Funnily enough I'm reading the time in DD where his ID was known (but not confirmed) by the general public and it's just fantastic storytelling. Too bad the sentiment with the Spidey Office was that it need to be used as a means to an end rather than really let it play out.

That could have been ground for some serious bonding between the two heroes, too, since DD would know exactly what Spidey was going through.

[Gabe De Los Muertos]

Funnily enough I'm reading the time in DD where his ID was known (but not confirmed) by the general public and it's just fantastic storytelling. Too bad the sentiment with the Spidey Office was that it need to be used as a means to an end rather than really let it play out.


That could have been ground for some serious bonding between the two heroes, too, since DD would know exactly what Spidey was going through.

I don't think that would work well for Spidey in the long run. In fact, I think revealing DD's ID was something that makes Matt different from Spidey.

[RDMacQ]

Funnily enough I'm reading the time in DD where his ID was known (but not confirmed) by the general public and it's just fantastic storytelling. Too bad the sentiment with the Spidey Office was that it need to be used as a means to an end rather than really let it play out.

Agreed. I think the story of Peter's ID being known isn't a bad idea. I just didn't like (a) the way it was done, as I felt that it contradicted previous behavior by Peter and (b) the reason's it was done.

[arp2008]

I don't think that would work well for Spidey in the long run. In fact, I think revealing DD's ID was something that makes Matt different from Spidey.Perhaps not in the long run, but it would certainly been an interesting story to tell for a while, especially since Spidey would have someone to confide and seek support from when he felt he was at his limits. The potential for this story is so salient I'm surprised it wasn't persued.

[Gabe De Los Muertos]

Perhaps not in the long run, but it would certainly been an interesting story to tell for a while, especially since Spidey would have someone to confide and seek support from when he felt he was at his limits. The potential for this story is so salient I'm surprised it wasn't persued.

It's kind of one of those things you have to look at and see if it's still manageable and good for the character in the future. I'm sure they have a lot of plans on what to do with DD because of that decision. You can take Matt out of NYC, you really can't do that to Peter.

[RDMacQ]

It's kind of one of those things you have to look at and see if it's still manageable and good for the character in the future. I'm sure they have a lot of plans on what to do with DD because of that decision. You can take Matt out of NYC, you really can't do that to Peter.

Why not? Peter has left NYC plenty of times. Certainly as much as or perhaps even more so than Daredevil. There was an entire running subplot in the 90's where Spidey was on a book tour for his book "Webs" which took Spidey to different cities in the US. It would be interesting to see Spidey web sling across some of the more scenic major cities around the world, like Hong Kong, Tokyo, Mexico City, Rio De Janeiro, and more.

[Gabe De Los Muertos]

Why not? Peter has left NYC plenty of times. Certainly as much as or perhaps even more so than Daredevil. There was an entire running subplot in the 90's where Spidey was on a book tour for his book "Webs" which took Spidey to different cities in the US. It would be interesting to see Spidey web sling across some of the more scenic major cities around the world, like Hong Kong, Tokyo, Mexico City, Rio De Janeiro, and more.

Not saying it wouldn't be interesting for a while. But Spider-man is pretty much an integral character to New York, more so than the Avengers, Fantastic Four, X-men, and the Hulk.

[whiteshark]

Don't be hoodwinked, Mr. Slott. The 87% there is only voting as such to spite those of us naysayers who refuse to by ASM until it's been rectified.


You don`t speak in name of the people that voted here,so please don`t claim that you speak in name of all people voting here.

Repeat after me#
"Just because i don`t like a comic book,does not mean that anybody else will have the same opinion."

If you repeat this 10 times a day in a matter of weeks you will realize that not all the same people have the same opinions.
Hope this helps.

[whiteshark]

Which could also be said about the rankings, since they were ALSO part of a different comics market.

Except the numbers of diferent period of times in comic book sales vary much and can not be compared,and rankings ignore those numbers and just tell you which were the comic books selling better compared to all the others without the numbers.

So rankings gives you a more neutral idea of which comic book were selling better without having to compare numbers which are way to diferent.

[whiteshark]

Not even close. Matt mind controls the humans race and makes deals with someone who is functionally the devil? What book is that in?


That connotation to Mephisto is not even supported by the official biographies,and never see a Men in Black movie,the memories of people get erased all the time there.Neither read a story with cosmic powers as Infinity Gauntlet or the Defenders limited series in which people memories are erased as well.:eek::eek::eek:
Just saying i would not want you to complain for years about that after you see those stories and movies like you have been in regards of OMD.

Silver Surfer made a deal with Mephisto as well,and the fans of that character did not complain for years and years.
Maybe the fans of Silver Surfer that did not liked that story were perfectly able to move on from a story that they did not liked whether some Spider-Man fans not?:eek:

[whiteshark]

Funnily enough I'm reading the time in DD where his ID was known (but not confirmed) by the general public and it's just fantastic storytelling. Too bad the sentiment with the Spidey Office was that it need to be used as a means to an end rather than really let it play out.

Except the psychic blind spot is a part of the plot as well,as to which how it was created and who made it is still to be answered.

[coconutphone]

It's kind of one of those things you have to look at and see if it's still manageable and good for the character in the future. I'm sure they have a lot of plans on what to do with DD because of that decision. You can take Matt out of NYC, you really can't do that to Peter.

Daredevil is intriscally tied to a very specific part of NYC (Hell's Kitchen). How do you figure you can take him out of NY but not Peter (who has no tie to any specific part of NY at least to the same degree as Daredevil).

[Gabe De Los Muertos]

Daredevil is intriscally tied to a very specific part of NYC (Hell's Kitchen). How do you figure you can take him out of NY but not Peter (who has no tie to any specific part of NY at least to the same degree as Daredevil).

I'm speaking more from the non-comic buying audience's point of view. Everyone knows Spider-man is the hero of NYC. Not many know DD is Hell's Kitchen's, or know where that's at. The New York feel of the book is prevalent in the majority of the stories.

[Talisman]

I'm speaking more from the non-comic buying audience's point of view. Everyone knows Spider-man is the hero of NYC. Not many know DD is Hell's Kitchen's, or know where that's at. The New York feel of the book is prevalent in the majority of the stories.

I honestly feel they both are too emotionally tied into certain parts of New York for either to be taken out of the respective neighborhoods to be gone for long. Both seem to suffer when gone from their boroughs for too long. The neighborhoods are extremely integral supporting characters for their books that it's impossible to be away from for too long.

[RDMacQ]

Except the numbers of diferent period of times in comic book sales vary much and can not be compared,and rankings ignore those numbers and just tell you which were the comic books selling better compared to all the others without the numbers.

So rankings gives you a more neutral idea of which comic book were selling better without having to compare numbers which are way to diferent.

But the rankings are based on how many comics are sold. You can't separate one from the other.

[Three]

Don't be hoodwinked, Mr. Slott. The 87% there is only voting as such to spite those of us naysayers who refuse to by ASM until it's been rectified.

Actually, I voted that I like it because I think it's a pretty damn good book. With all due respect, you don't speak for me.

[BrightestDay]

I hated OMD and didn't read for the first few months of BND, but I couldn't stay away. And yes I'm really enjoying the book for the most part. It has a unique pace and some really great stories and art, especially post-#600. There are some things I'd change or do differently, but that's true of pretty much every comic.

[CloneSaga]

Don't be hoodwinked, Mr. Slott. The 87% there is only voting as such to spite those of us naysayers who refuse to by ASM until it's been rectified.

Am I the only one seeing the humour in this statement? Lighten up people, arp2008 served you a one-liner (with perhaps an ounce of truth, which makes it even funnier.:wink: )

[Will.S]

I'm speaking more from the non-comic buying audience's point of view. Everyone knows Spider-man is the hero of NYC. Not many know DD is Hell's Kitchen's, or know where that's at. The New York feel of the book is prevalent in the majority of the stories.
Yeah but if the non-comic buying audience isn't buying comics anyway what do they care if they take Spider-Man out of his NYC element for a certain amount of time?

I can't see that being the ongoing status quo at any point in time.

[Schmed]

Not saying it wouldn't be interesting for a while. But Spider-man is pretty much an integral character to New York, more so than the Avengers, Fantastic Four, X-men, and the Hulk.


That and Spidey leaving NYC presents a lot of web slinging problems. Not too many citys are gonna support that. I grew up in town of 50,000 people and the only "big buildings" were in a small 3 block area downtown, we used to joke that if he lived there he would only be able to patrol like 4 buildings.

[Schmed]

Am I the only one seeing the humour in this statement? Lighten up people, arp2008 served you a one-liner (with perhaps an ounce of truth, which makes it even funnier.:wink: )

You really think people are pretending to be happy just to spite you/and or others?? Wow, talk about paranoia.

I think Coco hates the new direction just to spite me, and I will never take off this aluminum foil helmet I made that prevents Anti-BND thoughts from entering my head!

[Combustible Pumpkins]

Am I the only one seeing the humour in this statement? Lighten up people, arp2008 served you a one-liner (with perhaps an ounce of truth, which makes it even funnier.:wink: )

I don't see the humor in it. The new series is actually good, so why would people want to lie about that? Doesn't make much sense. Guess what I didn't do? Lie.

If you guys don't like the percentage, just get all your buddies together and change it. Shouldn't be too hard, right? :wink:

[RDMacQ]

You really think people are pretending to be happy just to spite you/and or others?? Wow, talk about paranoia.

I think Coco hates the new direction just to spite me, and I will never take off this aluminum foil helmet I made that prevents Anti-BND thoughts from entering my head!

Actually, I gotta say that I kind of agree with CloneSaga on this. I don't think that people are enjoying the book just to spite others. But I do feel that some fans are playing up how good the book is and kissing up to the creators whenever they show up in order to keep the book in a status quo that they prefer (although this might belong in the controversial opinions thread).

[Regulus B.]

Actually, I gotta say that I kind of agree with CloneSaga on this. I don't think that people are enjoying the book just to spite others. But I do feel that some fans are playing up how good the book is and kissing up to the creators whenever they show up in order to keep the book in a status quo that they prefer (although this might belong in the controversial opinions thread).

You mean like how some might be playing up their dislike and exaggerating their level of loathing with remarks about violated childhoods? :tongue:

If we're going to play the "I know what other people are thinking" game, I think that sounds reasonable. :wink:

[RDMacQ]

You mean like how some might be playing up their dislike and exaggerating their level of loathing with remarks about violated childhoods? :tongue:

Yes. Personally, I don't think the explanations surrounding the retcon are as confusing as some people make them out to be. I just think the explanations are cheap and lazy. And there are those who make Spider-Man to be the worst it has ever been since OMD, but they are just playing up their feelings of anger to play the victim and act like their hatred is justified in that they are being deliberately persecuted by other fans and creators.

[Regulus B.]

Yes. Personally, I don't think the explanations surrounding the retcon are as confusing as some people make them out to be. I just think the explanations are cheap and lazy. And there are those who make Spider-Man to be the worst it has ever been since OMD, but they are just playing up their feelings of anger to play the victim and act like their hatred is justified in that they are being deliberately persecuted by other fans and creators.

It goes in both directions.

But for those who might be overstating their pleasure, it is partly (to my thinking) a response to the fact that any criticism of the new direction can easily get lumped into "see! You think it's terrible too!"

Have their been missteps? Sure. The Chameleon/Michelle thing - still not comfortable with that. And yes, I'm still irked they changed the Menace design. Jackpot - kind of a flop. Not every arc is a winner. Not ever new character is deeply compelling.

But I sincerely enjoy the new direction for a lot of reasons. And I'm being straight up honest about that.

[RDMacQ]

It goes in both directions.

But for those who might be overstating their pleasure, it is partly (to my thinking) a response to the fact that any criticism of the new direction can easily get lumped into "see! You think it's terrible too!"

Have their been missteps? Sure. The Chameleon/Michelle thing - still not comfortable with that. And yes, I'm still irked they changed the Menace design. Jackpot - kind of a flop. Not every arc is a winner. Not ever new character is deeply compelling.

But I sincerely enjoy the new direction for a lot of reasons. And I'm being straight up honest about that.

And I have no problems believing that.

However, for those that treat the new direction as if it is mana dripping from the heavens I find it a little hard to believe that EVERY story is pure spun gold. And given some people's reasons as to WHY the book is "great" now, I feel that their pleasure has less to do with the work the creators are doing and more with other factors that are more arbitrary.

[Regulus B.]

And I have no problems believing that.

However, for those that treat the new direction as if it is mana dripping from the heavens I find it a little hard to believe that EVERY story is pure spun gold. And given some people's reasons as to WHY the book is "great" now, I feel that their pleasure has less to do with the work the creators are doing and more with other factors that are more arbitrary.

First, I don't think people are treating it like "pure spun gold." Second, there are plenty of reasons given by a variety of people why stories/arcs/characters are enjoyable. And finally, we keep going around and around with this, but what is arbitrary to you is significant to somebody else, and that's IF readers are actually basing their feelings on those factors and not on actual enjoyment of the work. Which is mostly speculation.

[Mikey Brown]

You don`t speak in name of the people that voted here,so please don`t claim that you speak in name of all people voting here.

Repeat after me#
"Just because i don`t like a comic book,does not mean that anybody else will have the same opinion."

If you repeat this 10 times a day in a matter of weeks you will realize that not all the same people have the same opinions.
Hope this helps.I really wish a lot of people did this. Before they even log in, they should repeat this over and over.

[CyberHubbs]

I really wish a lot of people did this. Before they even log in, they should repeat this over and over.

To be fair, people that don't share my opinion are wrong.

[Mikey Brown]

But the rankings are based on how many comics are sold. You can't separate one from the other.Sure you can. Thats really the only way to make comparisons from year to year.

[ArmenianG]

The jugg and cap universe arc was good but this lizard arc seems like a bad cartoon...

[Mikey Brown]

Honestly, I don't even know why I come here anymore. I mean I know I don't have to but I guess I'm some weird sucker for punishment. Honestly, this is THE SAME ARGUMENT FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME!!!! Why don't we just start copying and pasting one thread over and over and over and over and over again? Because it's exactly the same every time and no one on either side ever budges. Honestly, they shouldn't have to either but in my opinion everyone should be able to just give their opinion on this and be respected for it instead of being continually called out and getting a bunch of finger pointing focused their way.

Here, let me wrap this up for you in terms I'm sure everyone can agree with. There are people who don't like Spider-man right now. They have numerous reasons for disliking it. For instance, Peter doesn't seem like the same character and they don't like ridiculous editorially mandated changes that make no sense.

Then there are people who like the new direction. They have numerous reasons for liking it. For instance, they enjoy the return to the old school villains or they find it more fun than it was during JMS's tenure.

Both sides have reasons for liking or disliking any current direction for any comic book series. Why, and I repeat WHY does anyone here always feel the need to point them out as some lowly form of human being because they don't like or dislike something in the comics? WHY?!?!?!? What the hell happened to people just having friendly debates where one would say "well I'm not a big fan of this direction because of this reason" and the other person replies "well I can definitely understand your pov on this. Hey, here's why I do like it. What do you think?" Why is this type of debate so uncommon now???

I'm sorry if anyone finds what I'm saying to be stupid or insulting or anything like that but honestly, I'm so very sick and tired of the shitty merry go round that has been this constant flame war over a fucking comic book! I like posting here. I find the debates and opinions of people to be very interesting and I do enjoy talking to a lot of you. But my god, how I would love for people to just stop calling each other out on their opinions like they're some kind of lowly bastard. And for that matter, I would love for people to just express themselves in a way that doesn't justify them being called out in said manner.

Honestly, and people wonder why the good posters like Jim are packing up and posting elsewhere. Jesus! :mad:100% agree. You should go post this in the Avengers forums also.

[CyberHubbs]

I don't think other forums are going to be much better. At least here things move at a pretty casual pace. Not a lot of new threads to always keep up with.

I know I can jump on people, like I did with stillanerd the other day much to my embarrassment, but we all move on.

[Mikey Brown]

I don't think for a second that "we all move on". I know I do, because I realise that we are talking about imaginary characters and I have no control over what happens. Others on here DO NOT move on. They take this stuff serious. Its kind of scary, in an odd way.

On the other hand, I don't think for a second that most would act like they post if I met them in real life and I don't think they would actually be as immature and rude to creators if they met them also. I think most would do a total 180 and kiss the creator's butt.

[Schmed]

Actually, I gotta say that I kind of agree with CloneSaga on this. I don't think that people are enjoying the book just to spite others. But I do feel that some fans are playing up how good the book is and kissing up to the creators whenever they show up in order to keep the book in a status quo that they prefer (although this might belong in the controversial opinions thread).

Sorry, I can't hear you through this tinfoil helmet. :wink:

[Gabe De Los Muertos]

Actually, I gotta say that I kind of agree with CloneSaga on this. I don't think that people are enjoying the book just to spite others. But I do feel that some fans are playing up how good the book is and kissing up to the creators whenever they show up in order to keep the book in a status quo that they prefer (although this might belong in the controversial opinions thread).

That's really paranoid. You see more people here dissatisfied with things and wanting the marriage back.

[coconutphone]

That's really paranoid. You see more people here dissatisfied with things and wanting the marriage back.

That seems... inaccurate.

[Schmed]

That seems... inaccurate.

LA LA LA Can't hear you either! :wink::tongue:

[Gabe De Los Muertos]

That seems... inaccurate.

Really? I'm speaking more about this specific forum. I know there are people who buy the book and don't post here often.

[Alan2099]

I think everyone here agrees with me on everything and the people that don't are just pretending or are blatantly wrong.

[John Zaleski]

Theres a reason I buy every issue of this book and theres a reason its the first book I always read when I get back from the shop. Its my favorite on the stands.

Just because the extremely vocal minority is still upset about OMD, people can't like the book apparently.

[mattspideyrocks!]

I don't think for a second that "we all move on". I know I do, because I realise that we are talking about imaginary characters and I have no control over what happens. Others on here DO NOT move on. They take this stuff serious. Its kind of scary, in an odd way.

On the other hand, I don't think for a second that most would act like they post if I met them in real life and I don't think they would actually be as immature and rude to creators if they met them also. I think most would do a total 180 and kiss the creator's butt.

I don't think this entire Spider-man forum has moved on since OMD began. It's been stuck in this damn time warp where the same regurgitated arguments and debates are getting spewed all over the floor so often that you can't even see the floor anymore. The only thing that has changed at all is the clever thread title names that somewhat conceal what turns out to be just another OMD argument. I feel like I'm stuck in some Twilight Zone type of forum sometimes. :tongue:

[coconutphone]

I don't think this entire Spider-man forum has moved on since OMD began. It's been stuck in this damn time warp where the same regurgitated arguments and debates are getting spewed all over the floor so often that you can't even see the floor anymore. The only thing that has changed at all is the clever thread title names that somewhat conceal what turns out to be just another OMD argument. I feel like I'm stuck in some Twilight Zone type of forum sometimes. :tongue:

That's perfect! It is Twilight Zone Day after all.

[mattspideyrocks!]

That's perfect! It is Twilight Zone Day after all.

Is it really or are you just kidding? Because if it is, I had no idea so that's pretty funny. :tongue:

[Regulus B.]

Is it really or are you just kidding? Because if it is, I had no idea so that's pretty funny. :tongue:

Yes, it really is (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/popcandy/post/2010/05/happy-twilight-zone-day-whats-your-favorite-ep/1). :biggrin:

[coconutphone]

Is it really or are you just kidding? Because if it is, I had no idea so that's pretty funny. :tongue:

Would I lie? (shut up Schmitty!)

http://www.holidayinsights.com/moreholidays/May/twilightzoneday.htm

[Karl Cook]

Just because the extremely vocal minority is still upset about OMD, people can't like the book apparently.

Wait, are you saying here that everyone who doesn't like the book is still upset because of One More Day?
What about the people who don't like certain characters in the book now? What about the people who don't think the current creative team are up to the job?
What about the people that were enjoying JMS' run and left when he did?

There are a number of reasons why folks aren't enjoying ASM anymore and also, I'd like to add, not everybody who has stopped buying ASM is trying to ruin everyone else's enjoyment of the book.:tongue:

[mattspideyrocks!]

Haha wow that's awesome. I had no idea. :tongue:

[mattspideyrocks!]

Wait, are you saying here that everyone who doesn't like the book is still upset because of One More Day?
What about the people who don't like certain characters in the book now? What about the people who don't think the current creative team are up to the job?
What about the people that were enjoying JMS' run and left when he did?

There are a number of reasons why folks aren't enjoying ASM anymore and also, I'd like to add, not everybody who has stopped buying ASM is trying to ruin everyone else's enjoyment of the book.:tongue:

Yes. :evilsmile:

[Karl Cook]

Yes. :evilsmile:

Well, you're wrong.

[coconutphone]

Well, you're wrong.

This whole thread is rife with wrong. :biggrin:

[Regulus B.]

This whole thread is rife with wrong. :biggrin:

Your face is wrong! :tongue: All three of them!

No, I'm sure there are reasons beyond OMD/BND for people to dislike the new direction. But given that most of those who don't are (apparently) not reading, it also seems fair for those who are reading to question how much good it does to participate in discussions where the material hasn't been read and the talking points are dated.

A good, raring argument about the past though - that I can never resist. :biggrin:

[mattspideyrocks!]

Well, you're wrong.

Am I? AM I???


......


Only kidding. :tongue: I know that's wrong. Everybody's got reasons for liking or disliking the current direction and they don't all revolve around OMD. I think it's pretty naive to think so.

[Schmed]

Your face is wrong! :tongue: All three of them!

No, I'm sure there are reasons beyond OMD/BND for people to dislike the new direction. But given that most of those who don't are (apparently) not reading, it also seems fair for those who are reading to question how much good it does to participate in discussions where the material hasn't been read and the talking points are dated.

A good, raring argument about the past though - that I can never resist. :biggrin:


*Stands back to back with Regulus*

Bring it on haters!!!

[coconutphone]

*Stands back to back with Regulus*

Bring it on haters!!!

"Look an attractive cousin!"

Schmitty turns to look, I knee him in the groin.

"I win." :biggrin:

[Schmed]

"Look an attractive cousin!"

Schmitty turns to look, I knee him in the groin.

"I win." :biggrin:

Damnit!!!!!!!

[coconutphone]

Damnit!!!!!!!

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g188/coconutphone/5l6gzc.gif


God I love the Internet.

[Aziz Abbasi]

I don't buy it, I hardly buy any comics
I enjoy what I read of them

[Schmed]

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g188/coconutphone/5l6gzc.gif


God I love the Internet.

Brita looks so batshit crazy in that.:biggrin:

[John Zaleski]

Wait, are you saying here that everyone who doesn't like the book is still upset because of One More Day?
What about the people who don't like certain characters in the book now? What about the people who don't think the current creative team are up to the job?
What about the people that were enjoying JMS' run and left when he did?

There are a number of reasons why folks aren't enjoying ASM anymore and also, I'd like to add, not everybody who has stopped buying ASM is trying to ruin everyone else's enjoyment of the book.:tongue:

I was reffering to the post i was following who said no one is actually enjoying the book. not everybody. kthnxbai

[coconutphone]

Brita looks so batshit crazy in that.:biggrin:

I know. The creator said that he enjoyed having Britta beat up on a bit the last few episodes as she's an amalgamation of several ex-girlfriends. LOL

[whiteshark]

I really wish a lot of people did this. Before they even log in, they should repeat this over and over.


Man,i would not even go that far.
If only some people stoped trashing and making up stuff about a comic book they don`t even read i would be happy already.

[whiteshark]

From the 76 people which buy ASM here,there are 65 people happy with Amazing Spider-Man.

Meaning that the majority of the persons reading ASM is happy with the stories,no surprises there from some time it have been a great comic book and even professional critics in the majority of times just make positive reviews about ASM.

Not too shabby at all,with some other cool story arcs in the ASM in the near future as Shred,Grim Hunt and OMIT this trend have everything to carry on i guess.

[stewart48]

I'm happy with the book but I sympathize with some of the complaints, its just where OMD is concerned I look at it as whats done is done for now and there is always the future to look forward to. I'm sure in ten minutes something will hit me and I'll complain and reference MJ, BC, OMD, etc... It's my destiny as a Spidey Internet forum poster.

[arp2008]

The percentage for the poll option "I buy the book and am happy with the book" has decreased since I last visited this thread. Very nice!

[Gabe De Los Muertos]

The percentage for the poll option "I buy the book and am happy with the book" has decreased since I last visited this thread. Very nice!

But it still is significantly lower than the opposite. :tongue:

[arp2008]

But it still is significantly lower than the opposite. :tongue::confused: You mean higher, don't you?

[Gabe De Los Muertos]

:confused: You mean higher, don't you?

No, those that buy and are displeased are far less than those that buy and are happy with the book.

[arp2008]

No, those that buy and are displeased are far less than those that buy and are happy with the book.Thats only because the preponderence of naysayers don't post here anymore. If they did, those numbers would look very different.

[Gabe De Los Muertos]

Thats only because the preponderence of naysayers don't post here anymore. If they did, those numbers would look very different.

Umm no, that's as paranoid as what RD was saying. Maybe there are people who actually enjoy the book.

[arp2008]

Umm no, that's as paranoid as what RD was saying. Maybe there are people who actually enjoy the book.Sure there are, but those who no longer buy the book because of OMD probably outnumber those who continued to, and it's the opinions of those many who no longer buy the book we're missing on the poll.

[RDMacQ]

Umm no, that's as paranoid as what RD was saying. Maybe there are people who actually enjoy the book.

I never said that there weren't.

But just as there are those fans that are hating on the book regardless of the quality of the material, I also believe there are fans who will praise the book as well ALSO regardless of the quality. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

[arp2008]

Message deleted.

[Gabe De Los Muertos]

Sure there are, but those who no longer buy the book because of OMD probably outnumber those who continued to, and it's the opinions of those many who no longer buy the book we're missing on the poll.

I believe that is just wishful thinking.


I never said that there weren't.

But just as there are those fans that are hating on the book regardless of the quality of the material, I also believe there are fans who will praise the book as well ALSO regardless of the quality. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

And so what's your argument here? If both sides are exaggerations, one is still clearly outnumbering the other. I know you guys want the book to fail, you want it to burn. But it's not going to. And you just have to deal with that.

[RDMacQ]

And so what's your argument here? If both sides are exaggerations, one is still clearly outnumbering the other. I know you guys want the book to fail, you want it to burn. But it's not going to. And you just have to deal with that.

Where did I say anything about wanting the book to fail? It's just an acknowledgement that some opinions aren't entirely sincere, and that some praise for the book is not based on the quality of the material. I don't think that it is the MAJORITY opinion. Just that it is a present opinion, and one has to be careful of what is being said and by who.

Sure, it would be comforting to believe that it's ONLY the people on the OTHER side of the "issue" who are engaging in negative behavior or who are being irrational in their assessment of the material. But sadly, that's just not the case. And that goes for both people who are supportive and critical of the new direction.

[Gabe De Los Muertos]

Where did I say anything about wanting the book to fail? It's just an acknowledgement that some opinions aren't entirely sincere, and that some praise for the book is not based on the quality of the material. I don't think that it is the MAJORITY opinion. Just that it is a present opinion, and one has to be careful of what is being said and by who.

Sure, it would be comforting to believe that it's ONLY the people on the OTHER side of the "issue" who are engaging in negative behavior or who are being irrational in their assessment of the material. But sadly, that's just not the case. And that goes for both people who are supportive and critical of the new direction.

And what's the relevance of pointing this out? There are always people like that in groups.

[RDMacQ]

And what's the relevance of pointing this out? There are always people like that in groups.

Well, what's the relevance of pointing out that there are people who are hating the book for no good reason, if there are always people like that in THOSE groups?

[Gabe De Los Muertos]

Well, what's the relevance of pointing out that there are people who are hating the book for no good reason, if there are always people like that in THOSE groups?

I don't recall pointing that out in this thread?

[RDMacQ]

I don't recall pointing that out in this thread?

I'm talking in a general sense.

[Gabe De Los Muertos]

I'm talking in a general sense.

Okay...? Well anyway going by the poll the majority of people are pleased with the book. And the creators have earned it.

[RDMacQ]

Okay...? Well anyway going by the poll the majority of people are pleased with the book. And the creators have earned it.

Going by THIS poll, which is only representative of people on this board. I would hardly say that this one poll is representative of the opinion of the fanbase, given how dismissive of internet polls people have been in the past.

[coconutphone]

Going by THIS poll, which is only representative of people on this board. I would hardly say that this one poll is representative of the opinion of the fanbase, given how dismissive of internet polls people have been in the past.

Are you coming on to me?



:tongue:

[Gabe De Los Muertos]

Going by THIS poll, which is only representative of people on this board. I would hardly say that this one poll is representative of the opinion of the fanbase, given how dismissive of internet polls people have been in the past.

Not to be rude, but duh. But I remember you using a poll as a reason of MJ's popularity a couple of months ago. So polls have no merit unless they work in your favor right? If you're being dismissive, be dismissive about everything. But if it's something you don't like, and you have used polls as means of approval in the past, well you have to accept them now, even if you don't agree with the results.

[Mikey Brown]

Thats only because the preponderence of naysayers don't post here anymore. If they did, those numbers would look very different.Its the same posters I've always seen.

[Chris S.]

Not to be rude, but duh. But I remember you using a poll as a reason of MJ's popularity a couple of months ago. So polls have no merit unless they work in your favor right? If you're being dismissive, be dismissive about everything. But if it's something you don't like, and you have used polls as means of approval in the past, well you have to accept them now, even if you don't agree with the results.

While this thread does surprise me, I do think its hard to use it as an accurate portrayal of the fan base. I'd also say if you add up everyone not in the "I buy and Enjoy the Book" category things would look a bit different. The numbers wouldn't be so different.

I think the other thing to remember is the people that have been so off put by the whole affair they don't even click into the Spidey boards anymore. This poll ignores them entirely.

But the numbers surprised me. I have enjoyed the title as of late and may have been a bit harsh. I'm open for the book getting better.

[JGC]

I'm enjoying ASM right now for the most part. I would like to see more of MJ and Harry in the books but I know that's coming.

I would also like to see consistent art. Guys like Lark, Weeks & Martin are great. Let's get more of their stuff in ASM.

[Regulus B.]

Not to be rude, but duh. But I remember you using a poll as a reason of MJ's popularity a couple of months ago. So polls have no merit unless they work in your favor right? If you're being dismissive, be dismissive about everything. But if it's something you don't like, and you have used polls as means of approval in the past, well you have to accept them now, even if you don't agree with the results.

It's also worth remembering - whether you like the new direction or you despise it - that popularity and numbers aren't everything.

A lot of people like Twilight. Those numbers will never convince me it's not terrible. Can something be popular and good? Of course. But it's not a guarantee. Even if the poll was accurate, there are always aspects (legitimate ones) to criticize.

[RDMacQ]

We should also remember that success does not mean that something will not change. The Spider-Man films were very financially successful, but that didn't stop the studio from rebooting the franchise from scratch. And the Spider-Man books were hardly failing in the rankings when OMD and BND came around to alter the status quo. If anything, keeping the book at the top of the ranks might lead to drastic changes as well to keep readers interested.

[Aziz Abbasi]

The percentage for the poll option "I buy the book and am happy with the book" has decreased since I last visited this thread. Very nice!Why is it nice to have more people support the thought of hating the book?

[chicainery]

Why is it nice to have more people support the thought of hating the book?

Misery loves company, I guess.

I was not a big fan of the One More Day storyline, but it has led to some very entertaining comic books. I am enjoying Amazing Spider-man quite a lot.

[Gabe De Los Muertos]

While this thread does surprise me, I do think its hard to use it as an accurate portrayal of the fan base. I'd also say if you add up everyone not in the "I buy and Enjoy the Book" category things would look a bit different. The numbers wouldn't be so different.

I think the other thing to remember is the people that have been so off put by the whole affair they don't even click into the Spidey boards anymore. This poll ignores them entirely.

But the numbers surprised me. I have enjoyed the title as of late and may have been a bit harsh. I'm open for the book getting better.

I actually think a lot of posters are put off by the amount of talk of One More Day. I've heard this complaint from several posters.


Misery loves company, I guess.

I was not a big fan of the One More Day storyline, but it has led to some very entertaining comic books. I am enjoying Amazing Spider-man quite a lot.


Well post more often then! :biggrin:

[mikekerr3]

Why is it nice to have more people support the thought of hating the book?

Because that shows that taste of the folks responding is better, more folks with good taste in comics is a good thing

[whiteshark]

Because that shows that taste of the folks responding is better, more folks with good taste in comics is a good thing


By good taste you mean people with the same opinion that you?

Nice,so whoever don`t share your opinion about comics have not good taste.:biggrin:

No offense but this does not make any bit of sense,just because somebody likes a comic book you don`t like or vice versa don`t give anybody good or bad taste.Comic books are subjective,you do realize that,right?

I don`t like DC comics,does not mean that everybody that likes DC comics have bad taste.The same thing applies to everybody.

[whiteshark]

Misery loves company, I guess.

I was not a big fan of the One More Day storyline, but it has led to some very entertaining comic books. I am enjoying Amazing Spider-man quite a lot.

Agreed,Amazing Spider-Man being published thrice a month kept being one of the most entertaining comic books Marvel have.

And yeah,the naysayers just hope that some other people share their opinion.

[whiteshark]

We should also remember that success does not mean that something will not change. The Spider-Man films were very financially successful, but that didn't stop the studio from rebooting the franchise from scratch. And the Spider-Man books were hardly failing in the rankings when OMD and BND came around to alter the status quo. If anything, keeping the book at the top of the ranks might lead to drastic changes as well to keep readers interested.


If anything keeping a book at the top of the ranks actually mean that no significant change will happen to the Spider-Man comics in the future.

The books changed the status quo after twenty years of stories with stories with that status quo,and since Spider-Man is single it have not reached that period of time by far that the last status quo lasted to guess that the status quo will change.

[Schmed]

Because that shows that taste of the folks responding is better, more folks with good taste in comics is a good thing

Funniest post EVER!!

[coconutphone]

Funniest post EVER!!

Funnier than mine? :frown:

[John Zaleski]

Funnier than mine? :frown:

YES :evilangry:

[Gabe De Los Muertos]

Because that shows that taste of the folks responding is better, more folks with good taste in comics is a good thing

Good taste? I didn't know people should conform to what you like.

[Farmernudie]

If anything keeping a book at the top of the ranks actually mean that no significant change will happen to the Spider-Man comics in the future.

The books changed the status quo after twenty years of stories with stories with that status quo,and since Spider-Man is single it have not reached that period of time by far that the last status quo lasted to guess that the status quo will change.

But it never leaves the rankings and only has like 3 times ever, ever.

So why would they have brought it back to this old status quo using your own rationale, when it was ranking even higher on average during JMS and before OMD?? (and was always ranked highly, as you say)

[RDMacQ]

If anything keeping a book at the top of the ranks actually mean that no significant change will happen to the Spider-Man comics in the future.

The books changed the status quo after twenty years of stories with stories with that status quo,and since Spider-Man is single it have not reached that period of time by far that the last status quo lasted to guess that the status quo will change.

So what, Spidey was sucking in the rankings during those twenty years? He was constantly failing, THAT'S why he changed? What about his rankings and numbers BEFORE the status quo change? Where they doing so poorly? Heck, look how much the Avengers franchise has changed over the past 3-5 years, and they're Marvel's top selling comic.

Like I said, failure might cause change, but success might lead to change as well. It might be fruitless to get too involved with one status quo since it might be altered in short order to keep the "heat" on.

[Schmed]

Funnier than mine? :frown:

It's a different kind of funny! :biggrin:

[Mikey Brown]

Because that shows that taste of the folks responding is better, more folks with good taste in comics is a good thingBecause your opinion of comics is the final word of whats good and whats not? I think a lot of people would disagree.

[coconutphone]

It's a different kind of funny! :biggrin:

LOL Good save Schmitty.

[whiteshark]

So what, Spidey was sucking in the rankings during those twenty years? He was constantly failing, THAT'S why he changed? What about his rankings and numbers BEFORE the status quo change? Where they doing so poorly? Heck, look how much the Avengers franchise has changed over the past 3-5 years, and they're Marvel's top selling comic.

Like I said, failure might cause change, but success might lead to change as well. It might be fruitless to get too involved with one status quo since it might be altered in short order to keep the "heat" on.


Looks like you are missing the point,Amazing Spider-Man is a more self contained title that the Avengers title which reflect more the main changes in the Marvel universe thus becoming more prone to change that ASM.
Since the Avengers title are for the last years heavily tied to the main Marvel events.

And the last change of the status quo lasted twenty years,since Spider-Man become single it have not approached that time by far so if you add positive feedback by people reading the stories,plus positive feedback by professional critics and plus good sales it is save to say that if anything the status quo will not change and just keep going in that direction but improving stories.
Saying that ASM will have main changes with positive feedbacks from professional critics,fans that are buying the books and good sales makes no sense.

[mikekerr3]

Good taste? I didn't know people should conform to what you like.

Taste is ALWAYS personal and subjective, I thought everyone knew that.

[mattspideyrocks!]

Looks like you are missing the point,Amazing Spider-Man is a more self contained title that the Avengers title which reflect more the main changes in the Marvel universe thus becoming more prone to change that ASM.
Since the Avengers title are for the last years heavily tied to the main Marvel events.

And the last change of the status quo lasted twenty years,since Spider-Man become single it have not approached that time by far so if you add positive feedback by people reading the stories,plus positive feedback by professional critics and plus good sales it is save to say that if anything the status quo will not change and just keep going in that direction but improving stories.
Saying that ASM will have main changes with positive feedbacks from professional critics,fans that are buying the books and good sales makes no sense.

I think you're missing their point. ASM has been at the top of the charts forever. It barely ever dips below where it's currently at. Usually, if anything, it jumps up a few spots in the rankings. It's always good according to the rankings. And yet Marvel always makes these huge status quo changes like OMD. If history has any bearing on this, there's nothing stopping Marvel from changing things in a whole different way at any time again. They don't have to wait 20 years just because the marriage lasted 20 years. They can change it all in a second. Positive feedback does not keep them from changing everything because there was positive feedback and rankings when the marriage was intact.

And there's been plenty of status quo changes between the marriage and now. The marriage was not the last one.

[RDMacQ]

I think you're missing their point. ASM has been at the top of the charts forever. It barely ever dips below where it's currently at. Usually, if anything, it jumps up a few spots in the rankings. It's always good according to the rankings. And yet Marvel always makes these huge status quo changes like OMD. If history has any bearing on this, there's nothing stopping Marvel from changing things in a whole different way at any time again. They don't have to wait 20 years just because the marriage lasted 20 years. They can change it all in a second. Positive feedback does not keep them from changing everything because there was positive feedback and rankings when the marriage was intact.

And there's been plenty of status quo changes between the marriage and now. The marriage was not the last one.

Very well said Matt. That's just what I was thinking.

[Schmed]

Taste is ALWAYS personal and subjective, I thought everyone knew that.

Another knee slapper!!

[Jason Abbadon]

Taste is ALWAYS personal and subjective, I thought everyone knew that.

That's only because you have none!:biggrin:

[Kolymar]

I buy the book and am happy with the book.