Need some JLA info

[Turbo Rob]

Hey everyone,

I am new here and I haven't read too many comics since I was a kid, but I need some help for my debate class.

For my debate class, I have to debate "This house believes that the Justice League saves the Earth better than the Avengers."

Can you help me with this argument?

I need information on times that the Earth was saved or destroyed (Partially or Completely) under the "watch" of JLA.

So far, I have the destruction of Star City and Coast City, the destruction of Earth Six and Earth 247, the fact that JLA hunts down other JLA members when they are not following proper procedure, and that Kansas got destroyed.

Any help is appreciated.

Thank you
-Rob

[LordEd1976]

Uruguay was destroyed by Vandal Savage in DC Million

Earth-3 and countless other worlds were destroyed and the JLA found out about it after the fact.

The JLA was almost responsible for Darkseid taking over the planet, a move that would have resulted in Earth and all of the cosmos being destroyed 15 years later.

Gotham City was devastated by an artificial earthquake, then cut off from the rest of the country leaving a large chunk of its citizens living in a lawless wasteland.

Chesire nuked a country.

I'll let you know if I think of anything else

[ryerye17]

Are you prop or neg?

Anyhu, debate is all about comparisons and weighing. And the best way to do that is to read JLA/Avengers, which is a clear juxtaposition on the two teams in terms of dynamics, PR and strength.

[Turbo Rob]

Are you prop or neg?

Anyhu, debate is all about comparisons and weighing. And the best way to do that is to read JLA/Avengers, which is a clear juxtaposition on the two teams in terms of dynamics, PR and strength.

I am on the side of the Avengers. I think the bulk of the debate will be argued about actual events that have occurred over the years, rather than the dynamics of the teams. Don't get me wrong, the characters will be talked about, but that will play a small part.

[Thok]

I am on the side of the Avengers. I think the bulk of the debate will be argued about actual events that have occurred over the years, rather than the dynamics of the teams. Don't get me wrong, the characters will be talked about, but that will play a small part.

You probably want to look at Infinite Crisis, where technology that Batman develops (specifically Brother Eye) is stolen from him and used in a plot to take over the world/destroy the world and replace it with a new one.

Similar you may wish to mention that Hal Jordan/Green Lantern tried to restart the universe in his own image during Zero Hour (although this has been retconned into him being manipulated by a cosmic entity.)

[Munkiman]

Uruguay was destroyed by Vandal Savage in DC Million

Earth-3 and countless other worlds were destroyed and the JLA found out about it after the fact.

The JLA was almost responsible for Darkseid taking over the planet, a move that would have resulted in Earth and all of the cosmos being destroyed 15 years later.

Gotham City was devastated by an artificial earthquake, then cut off from the rest of the country leaving a large chunk of its citizens living in a lawless wasteland.

Chesire nuked a country.

I'll let you know if I think of anything else

It was just Montevideo that was destroyed by Vandal Savage.

And the JLA did avoid letting Darkseid take over the Earth, that was only a possible future, so no matter how close it got, they still won that one.

Odd topic for a debate team. Did some comics nerd suggest it, and then everyone else glared at him? :tongue:

[hippie_hunter]

So far, I have the destruction of Star City and Coast City,
As opposed to Kang destroying Washington D.C., the nations capital. Or the Hulk destroying New York City, the nations largest city, in retaliation for Iron Man, Mr. Fantastic, and Dr. Stranges' (all are former Avengers) actions.

And don't forget being infiltrated by the Skrulls and the Scarlet Witch wiping out the mutant race under the Avengers' watch. :smile:


the destruction of Earth Six and Earth 247,
Alternate universes don't count IMO for either the Avengers or Justice League. And in that case many alternate universes on both Marvel and DC have been destroyed.


the fact that JLA hunts down other JLA members when they are not following proper procedure,
Just like how Iron Man and the pro-SHRA applied authoritarian and near fascistic measures to take down superheroes who didn't want to register.

Sure Batman built a spy satellite, but that is nothing compared to Iron Man building an illegal prison in the Negative Zone to imprison his "friends" and implanting nanotechnology to force supervillains to comply. Or shooting the Hulk into space.


and that Kansas got destroyed.
Asgard just fell on top of Oklahoma. Iron Man approved of an invasion of Atlantis (which forced Namor to evacuate his people without a home and destroy his nation) and sent marines on a nuclear suicide bombing mission to destroy Attilan, home of the Inhumans.

S.H.I.E.L.D. under Iron Man ruined two nations that were benevolent and the Avengers failed to save Asgard.

And don't forget that they also put the mentally imbalanced Sentry on the team even when they had full knowledge of the freaking VOID!

I'm sorry but I'd rather have the Justice League protect my Earth instead of the Avengers (and I like the Avengers better). As much as the Justice League has failed, you still don't have them acting absurdly authoritarian or putting the freaking Sentry on their team.

[dreyga2000]

I'm sorry but I'd rather have the Justice League protect my Earth instead of the Avengers (and I like the Avengers better). As much as the Justice League has failed, you still don't have them acting absurdly authoritarian or putting the freaking Sentry on their team.

I agreee, save for the Hulk thing, as much as I love the guy, Hulk's not their friend, Banner is.. And Hulk's menace repsonisble for ridiculous amounts of collateral damage and the destruction of countless homes...Frankly, I felt like they did the guy a favor Hulks always wanted to left alone and Banner has always wanted to reign in the Hulk...Being abducted by Gladitor aliens was freak accident...

And the Sentry thing, Avengers hanlded that pretty responsibly... he was seeing a psychatrist and was being closely monitored by the World's Greatest Heroes and was only taken out for dire emergencies during his short active periods, he saved several thousand lives a day...

The only irresonspible thing they did was not attempt to rescue a sick man of being manipulated by known sociopath... It's equalivlent to leaving a a mentally-disabled indisivual in the care of Ted Bundy... Why no one even bothered to take any action regarding this is just a massive case of neligence by the Avengers...


I digress...

I feel JLA is superior at serving the world for many reasons...

The JLA, the Big Seven, intercepts and defeats wide scale alien invasions on regular basis... They actively locate, intercept, and neutralize natural diasters before they occur... They also heavily involved in humanitarian efforts often see providing direct aide to third world countries and disaster stricken areas...They have on numerous occasions have negioated peace treaties between soverign nations...They have a wider affect sphere dealing with diasters from the far corners of the globe not to mention a quicker response time...

And the most obvious reason the JLA simple vastly more power than the Avengers and are capable of taking on vastly more powerful threats... Things like Ultron's weather attack,WWH, Squadron Supreme gone mad, Siege, or whatever would have been canon fodder to them...

[hippie_hunter]

I agreee, save for the Hulk thing, as much as I love the guy, Hulk's not their friend, Banner is.. And Hulk's menace repsonisble for ridiculous amounts of collateral damage and the destruction of countless homes...Frankly, I felt like they did the guy a favor Hulks always wanted to left alone and Banner has always wanted to reign in the Hulk...Being abducted by Gladitor aliens was freak accident...
I would agree, but the Hulk's retaliation was not worth the risk.


And the Sentry thing, Avengers hanlded that pretty responsibly... he was seeing a psychatrist and was being closely monitored by the World's Greatest Heroes and was only taken out for dire emergencies during his short active periods, he saved several thousand lives a day...

The only irresonspible thing they did was not attempt to rescue a sick man of being manipulated by known sociopath... It's equalivlent to leaving a a mentally-disabled indisivual in the care of Ted Bundy... Why no one even bothered to take any action regarding this is just a massive case of neligence by the Avengers...
Frankly with someone as powerful as the Void, I would think the only sane thing to do is to medicate the Sentry on par with Batman medicating Ra's al Ghul.

[thedigitalfacade]

In Geoff John's "World Trust" arc, The governments of the world turned to the Avengers to run the world, and Tony Stark was the secretary of Defense for awhile.

[dupersuper]

In Morrisons JLA the league saved the world/universe very regularly.