Mad men

[Lex Von Doom]

It is imo the best show on TV, I can't wait for seaon 4 to start and am curious as to what's going to happen with Don, will he try to get back with Betty or just move on? The show has such great characters and the best female characters on TV. The writing is great and they have some of the best costume designs in TV history.

Show creator Matthew Weiner said he hasn't planned for more than 6 seasons, I would think that would be a good place to end it, after all like someone on another site said "I don't want to see Don Draper in a Leisure suit".

What are your thoughts on the Emmy winning show?

[Surtur]

I think it's a good show overall, I'm looking forward to new episodes.



what's going to happen with Don, will he try to get back with Betty or just move on?

I honestly think he's better off without the trash that is Betty Draper. I'm sorry, but I've just grown to hate the character over the last 2 seasons.

I know Don is no saint, but in the end he mans up. There were times where he wanted a better life, wanted to leave his family..and he easily could of, but he didn't.

Betty gets another dude showing her attention, then the panties drop and she's off to Vegas days later with this man. Oh, and you know her 2 children at home that just found out about their parents divorce? Yeah, she just left them with the nanny. It's like they spent time trying to make Don look like a dick, and then Betty comes in and steals the "wow what a piece of trash" spotlight from him.


the best female characters on TV.

No no..you can't say this about a female cast that includes Betty Draper. The woman who whines over her husband cheating, then goes and cheats herself, then gets a divorce and goes out of town for WEEKS with another dude while leaving her 2 kids at home with the nanny. The same 2 kids who she really never seemed to care to make sure if they were ok.

I'm sorry, you don't break up a family, not say shit to your kids, and then go out of town with your new bf for weeks within a day or 2 of breaking up said family.

Say what you want about the other females on the show, but Betty Draper is pure trash.

[ThePhenom]

All throughout that show all I could do was sympathise with Betty. I definately understand your points. I do think Betty leaving the kids (though I was under the impression it was temporary) was bad but she pales in comparison to Don.

I also don't think Don really manned up as it took him a long time to admit his indiscretions to Betty and it's apparent that he constantly falls back into old habits. Betty had taken a lot of crap throughout the series and I figured her willingness to move on was just the natural progression (particularly as she started to see more of Helen Bishop's life in the first season and how it was relatively functional).

[Surtur]

All throughout that show all I could do was sympathise with Betty. I definately understand your points.

Oh I did as well, I think everyone felt sorry for Betty. She seemed like the perfect wife and mother. However, as more and more of her own personality came out...I just felt more sorry for her children.


I do think Betty leaving the kids (though I was under the impression it was temporary) was bad but she pales in comparison to Don.

Oh her leaving the kids was temporary, I never meant to imply otherwise. However, she has to stay away for at least 6 weeks. The reason is because it's hard to get a divorce in NY, so she has to go to Vegas and take up residency for at least 6 weeks. Now, I'd have no problem if she eventually took this step, my problem is that she dropped this bomb on her kids that they were getting divorced. Then literally the next day she leaves with the dude on a plane and leaves the kids with the nanny. I mean she took the newborn with her, but yeah.

I'm sorry, but her concern should be for her children right now, first and foremost.

That's why in the end I feel she is worse than Don in some ways. Sure, Don cheated..and yes Don didn't always man up. He thought of leaving Betty and the kids, yes..but in the end he didn't go through with it. His family meant more to him than his own personal happiness.

In the end, Betty showed that she is the exact opposite. She's a spoiled little princess who is always used to getting her way.


I also don't think Don really manned up as it took him a long time to admit his indiscretions to Betty and it's apparent that he constantly falls back into old habits.

When I say "man up" I don't mean admit his affair. Which he didn't do, Betty sort of found out. I just mean that there were a few occasions where Don thought about just leaving his family. In the end, he never did so.



Betty had taken a lot of crap throughout the series

Eh, not from Don really, besides his cheating. As I said, she was a pampered little princess most of the time. Plus while she never went through with it, Betty sure as hell at times didn't act like a wife should act, I remember her flirting with the guy who used to ride horses with her, etc.



and I figured her willingness to move on was just the natural progression (particularly as she started to see more of Helen Bishop's life in the first season and how it was relatively functional).

My problem is not with her willingness to move on, no. It's with the way she went about trying to do that.

She finds out Don cheats on her, whines about it, understandable. Then goes out and purposely bangs some random guy at a bar. This was clearly done just to get back at Don. Not only do two wrongs not make a right, but it makes what she did just come off as incredibly trashy. It's not vengeance, it just makes her look skanky. To be fair to Don, he never got with other women just to try to hurt Betty.

Then she begins getting with this other dude(who is obviously manipulating her), which again is two wrongs don't make a right.

All of that is messed up, but hey it's her life she can be loose if she wants.

My problem is her leaving town for 6 weeks within a day of telling her children they are getting a divorced. I'm sorry, but she needs to "man up" as well, these kids are her priority over ANYTHING else. That is why Don is better, for all his horrible treatment and questionable behavior, in the end he didn't abandon his family.

Betty did, and when her children would need her the most. They were also stupid enough to not think it'd be a good idea to let Don stay with the kids while she was gone. They need at least one parental figure in their life.

In the end, what Betty did is going to have a MUCH more negative impact on her children's lives than anything Don ever did.

[ThePhenom]

I definately understand your point and see the merit in most of it.

Don shines as a father throughout the series (for the most part) but his intense love for his kids was always made apparent. I don't think Betty's in the right but I think she had taken enough crap (his cheating was obviously hitting her hard) to develop such a strong despair (e.g. the horse guy, who she flirted with harmlessly).

Sleeping with the guy at the bar was quite promiscous of her but then given Don's actions (especially with the 20-year-old girl) I don't think it's fair to call her a bad wife without creating a sexist double standard.

I'm not suggesting you're being sexist, I just mean to say that their actions are as equally bad as each others.

She did abandon the kids, which was crap and not very parental of her, but I saw these other factors as creating a fair justification. Also, the kids would be temporarily confused but in their social context I just don't think she'd be considering things like seperation anxiety and abandonment issues.

[Surtur]

I don't think Betty's in the right but I think she had taken enough crap (his cheating was obviously hitting her hard) to develop such a strong despair (e.g. the horse guy, who she flirted with harmlessly).

She took a lot of crap yes, but that doesn't make what she did right. She also flirted with the horse guy before she knew Don was cheating on her.


Sleeping with the guy at the bar was quite promiscous of her but then given Don's actions (especially with the 20-year-old girl) I don't think it's fair to call her a bad wife without creating a sexist double standard.

I'm not suggesting you're being sexist, I just mean to say that their actions are as equally bad as each others.

Oh, I'm not saying Don isn't a dick for his cheating, he is. However, Betty went out purposely just to do it because Don did it. That's just lowering herself for some vengeance that benefits nobody but the guy she got with.


She did abandon the kids, which was crap and not very parental of her, but I saw these other factors as creating a fair justification.

What justifies her abandoning her children? Don cheating on her certainly doesn't justify that at all. Besides cheating, it's not like Don treated her badly. Besides cheating, he was a good husband and father.


Also, the kids would be temporarily confused but in their social context I just don't think she'd be considering things like seperation anxiety and abandonment issues.

You could plainly see that Sally at least was very very badly effected by the situation. Plus even if she wasn't and was putting up a brave face, their kids should still be their biggest concern.

Also, think about how this looks to the kids. Not only did their mother abandon them for a bit, but she : dropped a bomb on them about the divorce, left the next day for 6 weeks, and the biggest red flag? To these kids, it's going to look like Mommy dumped Daddy, abandoned them for 6 weeks, and then came back with a new Daddy. The kids don't even know she's already with another guy, that's yet another bomb that's gonna get dropped on these kids when she returns home.

That's seriously gonna mess these kids up.

So I honestly hope they don't have Don trying to get back with Betty, he's honestly much better off without her..and frankly so are their children.