C2E2 Mondo Marvel Panel - Avengers Stuff

[jayntampa]

In case you guys were interested, here are a few Avengers bits:

Hank Pym, Tigra, Quicksilver, Speedball and Justice are the teachers at Avengers Academy. The series is by Christos Gage and Mike McKone.

CAPTAIN AMERICA: PATRIOT by Karl Kesel and Mitch Breitweiser - 4-issue series

THOR: MIGHTY AVENGER

and, this one, which I'm surprised by:

THE AVENGERS AND THE INFINITY GAUNTLET in August 2010

Oh, the panel is still going on - there is a live blog at Marvel here. (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.11977.c2e2_2010~colon~_mondo_marvel_p anel_liveblog)

[Sighphi]

Quicksilver and Cutterman (Speedball) as teachers? That's not going to end well.
Unless they are going to do it like Harry Potter and those teachers are the experts in.... anti-heroing and bad costumes.

And Hank got demoted back to being a teacher? Well, he was never one the Skrull was.

[jayntampa]

He may be done with the cutting -- they clearly stated he was Speedball and not Penance, so we'll see. Then again, when do these things ever end well? lol

[Vivica Kang]

The Infinity G. are back eh? No wonder they were trying to get the X-men and others back on the map! Everything sounds good. Tigra is preggers and she's teaching...And Quicksilver is a teacher....WAIT what?:eek:

[marvell2100]

Quicksilver is hanging around because he still waiting for Wanda to appear. Hank is probably better off being an instructor.

[HOLTZ11]

Avengers and the Infinity Gauntlet is a retelling of the original series for all ages.

[Beast]

CBR didn't seem to get this image at first. It's the Avengers Academy Teachers image.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/MasterSplinter/AATeachers.jpg

[Frank]

I'm dispapointed that Speedball returned to being Speedball so quickly. Not that I liked the miserable outfit they had him wear but at least show that his powers changed a bit.

[Frisky Dingo]

I thought this might be of interest to be people:


4:39-A fan asks about the basic premise differences between the Avengers books.

4:40- Brevoort says that the most basic piece is that the "A"vengers (as he calls them) will be operating out of Avengers Tower, while the New Avengers are in the mansion, on the ground, among the people.

4:40- Secret Avengers? Shhhh.
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/c2e2-2010-mondo-marvel-100416.html (httphttp://www.newsarama.com/comics/c2e2-2010-mondo-marvel-100416.html)

[Expletive Deleted]

The Infinity G. are back eh?It's an all-ages title, like the recent Spider-Man: Secret Wars mini.

[Vivica Kang]

It's an all-ages title, like the recent Spider-Man: Secret Wars mini.

OOOH! That's even better! I want to pick this up!

[Vivica Kang]

I thought this might be of interest to be people:


http://www.newsarama.com/comics/c2e2-2010-mondo-marvel-100416.html (httphttp://www.newsarama.com/comics/c2e2-2010-mondo-marvel-100416.html)

Good find! Marvel didn't get all this....Im excited to see the NA reaction to the mansion!!!

[Gabe De Los Muertos]

So glad to see Pietro staying affiliated with the Avengers.

[Will.S]

Apparently the New Avengers are being based in Avengers Mansion and the Avengers are based in the Avengers Tower.

Pretty interesting stuff.

[Tymminator]

So Stark fixes the mansion finally I assume.

[Sighphi]

So Stark fixes the mansion finally I assume.

Where are the Young Avengers going to squat now?

[motteditor]

Why in the world would Stark give people he barely knows keys to his ancestral home? And since when is a mansion "among the people"? The Avengers should be in the mansion -- it's their headquarters, after all. Let the New Avengers have Stark Tower.

I'm thrilled Speedball's back; may we never see the gimp suit again. And may Gage remember that Speedball's powers determine his costume, not whatever idiocy Jenkins wrote.

[4sake]

Where are the Young Avengers going to squat now?

Probably... Bishop Publishing( one of the abandoned building/one of the building that Kate dad isn't using.)

http://marvel.wikia.com/Young_Avengers_%28Earth-616%29

[XPac]

Apparently the New Avengers are being based in Avengers Mansion and the Avengers are based in the Avengers Tower.

Pretty interesting stuff.

Hmmm... I wonder which team gets Jarvis. By default I'll assume he ends up with Stark.

Still, it's sort of interesting that the classic Avenger team gets the NA pad, while the new Avengers team gets the classic hq. Though I do get the notion of one being down to earth, while the other is up in the ivory tower.

[Beast]

People he barely knows? They're people he's known for numerous years.

I assume he's taking the Tower because it better fits the team. And where all his stuff is.

Where as the 'Street' level team is among the people where they belong. Very fitting.

[Will.S]

Hmmm... I wonder which team gets Jarvis. By default I'll assume he ends up with Stark.

Still, it's sort of interesting that the classic Avenger team gets the NA pad, while the new Avengers team gets the classic hq. Though I do get the notion of one being down to earth, while the other is up in the ivory tower.
Yeah that's exactly what I think they're going for.

[motteditor]

People he barely knows? They're people he's known for numerous years. I assume he's taking the Tower because it better fits the team. And where all his stuff is. Where as the 'Street' level team is among the people where they belong. Very fitting.

Luke Cage -- he was a teammate with him briefly, but has been an opponent for just as long.

Jewel -- He's never been on a team with her, though I suppose in her Mary Sue-ness, she's probably one of his best friends. After all, she's all the Avengers bestest friends, despite never having appeared in an issue of the Avengers.

Wolverine -- he was a teammate with him briefly, but has been an opponent for just as long.

Spider-Man -- had a brief friendship, and then a fairly violent separation

Thing -- has never been on the same team; they've probably known each other for a while, but I seriously doubt they'd hang in the same circles and/or consider each other good friends.

Again, it makes no sense that these people would be in Tony's ancestral home and the place the classic Avengers (many of whom will be on the Avengers again) spent years. It makes far more sense for them to be in a place that Tony's probably not really attached to. He may have known them for years, but certainly hasn't ever been close friends with them (well, except Jewel, because she's the bestest friend ever!).

And I love how the mansion is suddenly considered to be among the people. I mean, lots of "people" have butlers, right? It's all very "street."

[XPac]

Luke Cage -- he was a teammate with him briefly, but has been an opponent for just as long.

Jewel -- He's never been on a team with her, though I suppose in her Mary Sue-ness, she's probably one of his best friends. After all, she's all the Avengers bestest friends, despite never having appeared in an issue of the Avengers.

Wolverine -- he was a teammate with him briefly, but has been an opponent for just as long.

Spider-Man -- had a brief friendship, and then a fairly violent separation

Thing -- has never been on the same team; they've probably known each other for a while, but I seriously doubt they'd hang in the same circles and/or consider each other good friends.

Again, it makes no sense that these people would be in Tony's ancestral home and the place the classic Avengers (many of whom will be on the Avengers again) spent years. It makes far more sense for them to be in a place that Tony's probably not really attached to. He may have known them for years, but certainly hasn't ever been close friends with them (well, except Jewel, because she's the bestest friend ever!).

And I love how the mansion is suddenly considered to be among the people. I mean, lots of "people" have butlers, right? It's all very "street."

If Stark didn't trust these people, they wouldn't be Avengers in the first place.

If nothing else, it's probably a bit more practical since the NA have less flyers.

[Will.S]

Luke Cage -- he was a teammate with him briefly, but has been an opponent for just as long.

Jewel -- He's never been on a team with her, though I suppose in her Mary Sue-ness, she's probably one of his best friends. After all, she's all the Avengers bestest friends, despite never having appeared in an issue of the Avengers.

Wolverine -- he was a teammate with him briefly, but has been an opponent for just as long.

Spider-Man -- had a brief friendship, and then a fairly violent separation

Thing -- has never been on the same team; they've probably known each other for a while, but I seriously doubt they'd hang in the same circles and/or consider each other good friends.

Again, it makes no sense that these people would be in Tony's ancestral home and the place the classic Avengers (many of whom will be on the Avengers again) spent years. It makes far more sense for them to be in a place that Tony's probably not really attached to. He may have known them for years, but certainly hasn't ever been close friends with them (well, except Jewel, because she's the bestest friend ever!).

And I love how the mansion is suddenly considered to be among the people. I mean, lots of "people" have butlers, right? It's all very "street."
Why does it matter? They're both his so he can do whatever he wants with them.

[Beast]

Why does it matter? They're both his so he can do whatever he wants with them.
Indeed. And to argue he hasn't known these people for ages is kinda silly.

And yeah, he's choosing the high tech tower where he has his armory of suits. Big shock.

[4sake]

Hmmm... I wonder which team gets Jarvis. By default I'll assume he ends up with Stark.

Still, it's sort of interesting that the classic Avenger team gets the NA pad, while the new Avengers team gets the classic hq. Though I do get the notion of one being down to earth, while the other is up in the ivory tower.

I think one will get Jarvis (the guy/human) & the other will get Jarvis (the A.I. like in the movie.)

[motteditor]

Why is it silly? One's his ancestral home, where he grew up. It's been shown time and time again to have significant emotional value to Tony.

Would you just let some co-workers you know casually go live in your homes while you set up shop in some new condo where you lived for maybe six months or a year?

And Avengers mansion had plenty of tech for the Avengers before. You don't think Tony could keep his armor there instead of the tower?

[SquidSquod]

Why in the world would Stark give people he barely knows keys to his ancestral home? And since when is a mansion "among the people"? The Avengers should be in the mansion -- it's their headquarters, after all. Let the New Avengers have Stark Tower.


Now you know Stark is a liberal free-for-all kind of person, not the tight-ass conservative that some people presume.

[Raker616]

Well I'm glad that finally Brubaker admitted he was full of crap when he talked about having some great master plan with Captain America. I feel bad for anyone that got suckered into buying Cap Reborn only to have him return as something else, at least I know now that it's all about sales first and not story.

[SquidSquod]

Why is it silly? One's his ancestral home, where he grew up. It's been shown time and time again to have significant emotional value to Tony.

Would you just let some co-workers you know casually go live in your homes while you set up shop in some new condo where you lived for maybe six months or a year?

And Avengers mansion had plenty of tech for the Avengers before. You don't think Tony could keep his armor there instead of the tower?

Tony Stark never has any attachment to the past.

That's why he changes technology, quickly updates his armor and throws out his flings like used clothes.

Where did I get this spoken view or similar, was it Van Lente's Legacy or the movie?

[Beast]

Well I'm glad that finally Brubaker admitted he was full of crap when he talked about having some great master plan with Captain America. I feel bad for anyone that got suckered into buying Cap Reborn only to have him return as something else, at least I know now that it's all about sales first and not story.
What are you going on about?

Just because Brubaker had a plan for Steve, doesn't mean the plan was to bring him back as Cap.

Where exactly has Bru said anything like you're imagining that he's saying.

[SquidSquod]

Luke Cage -- he was a teammate with him briefly, but has been an opponent for just as long.

Jewel -- He's never been on a team with her, though I suppose in her Mary Sue-ness, she's probably one of his best friends. After all, she's all the Avengers bestest friends, despite never having appeared in an issue of the Avengers.

Wolverine -- he was a teammate with him briefly, but has been an opponent for just as long.

Spider-Man -- had a brief friendship, and then a fairly violent separation

Thing -- has never been on the same team; they've probably known each other for a while, but I seriously doubt they'd hang in the same circles and/or consider each other good friends.

Again, it makes no sense that these people would be in Tony's ancestral home and the place the classic Avengers (many of whom will be on the Avengers again) spent years. It makes far more sense for them to be in a place that Tony's probably not really attached to. He may have known them for years, but certainly hasn't ever been close friends with them (well, except Jewel, because she's the bestest friend ever!).

And I love how the mansion is suddenly considered to be among the people. I mean, lots of "people" have butlers, right? It's all very "street."

Iron Man is the anti-Batman somehow. He treats people readily knowing that he should feel superior to them and the more people he has his hands on, the more he could "use" them. Trust issue is Mr. Wayne thing (well I let Batman-expert elaborate more). Stark is more open to any kind of friendship, yet still hold his best card to himself. On the other hand, people might have trust issue against Stark, but not the other way around.

[SquidSquod]

Hmmm... I wonder which team gets Jarvis. By default I'll assume he ends up with Stark.

Still, it's sort of interesting that the classic Avenger team gets the NA pad, while the new Avengers team gets the classic hq. Though I do get the notion of one being down to earth, while the other is up in the ivory tower.

I'd like Jarvis to be with Tony again. Perhaps too much like Batman-ish Butler-Master relationship, but it's kind of waste to throw away the dynamics and history between them.

[Will.S]

Why is it silly? One's his ancestral home, where he grew up. It's been shown time and time again to have significant emotional value to Tony.

Would you just let some co-workers you know casually go live in your homes while you set up shop in some new condo where you lived for maybe six months or a year?

And Avengers mansion had plenty of tech for the Avengers before. You don't think Tony could keep his armor there instead of the tower?
So just wait to read the story to see his reasoning for everything. He's been entirely fine with letting the mansion lay in ruin while he's been based at the tower. He probably just prefers the tower for now, I mean it's not as if he didn't have Avengers memorabilia adorning the walls for all the fond memories. One would also think that he wanted his building back after Norman took over it.

But like I said, he still owns both so it's not like it's not going for a good cause. He's not giving it to villains or something.


Well I'm glad that finally Brubaker admitted he was full of crap when he talked about having some great master plan with Captain America. I feel bad for anyone that got suckered into buying Cap Reborn only to have him return as something else, at least I know now that it's all about sales first and not story.
Uh, I highly doubt Ed "admitted he was full of crap". Just because you don't like what he's doing doesn't give you the right to insult the man.

[The Black Guardian]

Why in the world would Stark give people he barely knows keys to his ancestral home?
The mansion hasn't been his home for ages. Tony doesn't really care who's there, as long as they're Avengers material. The Avengers membership card is the only key one has ever needed.

[XPac]

I'd like Jarvis to be with Tony again. Perhaps too much like Batman-ish Butler-Master relationship, but it's kind of waste to throw away the dynamics and history between them.

Course, on the flip side it did seem as though the New Avengers needed a butler a little bit more.

Lord only knows what that mansion is going to look like without Jarvis there to pick up after them.

[SquidSquod]

Course, on the flip side it did seem as though the New Avengers needed a butler a little bit more.

Lord only knows what that mansion is going to look like without Jarvis there to pick up after them.

Sure. Tony should have janitor automatons to clean up on his side.

[djk61387]

Avengers get Jarvis and New Avengers get Moon Knight's butler.

[jpk]

Why is it silly? One's his ancestral home, where he grew up. It's been shown time and time again to have significant emotional value to Tony.

Would you just let some co-workers you know casually go live in your homes while you set up shop in some new condo where you lived for maybe six months or a year?

And Avengers mansion had plenty of tech for the Avengers before. You don't think Tony could keep his armor there instead of the tower?

I'm struggling to understand why you care so much where they live. Bases are just a place to meet and debrief between missions. They could use a room in the YMCA for all I care.

[Jay Dogg]

I'm dispapointed that Speedball returned to being Speedball so quickly. Not that I liked the miserable outfit they had him wear but at least show that his powers changed a bit.

Quickly? Four years is no walk in the park lol.

[Frisky Dingo]

I'm struggling to understand why you care so much where they live. Bases are just a place to meet and debrief between missions. They could use a room in the YMCA for all I care.

"YMCA Avengers" that has a nice ring to it. I can already see the team lineup...

http://25.media.tumblr.com/7iowCqt98jske3dwIrWCfOCgo1_400.jpg

[pharoahe22]

Luke Cage -- he was a teammate with him briefly, but has been an opponent for just as long.

Jewel -- He's never been on a team with her, though I suppose in her Mary Sue-ness, she's probably one of his best friends. After all, she's all the Avengers bestest friends, despite never having appeared in an issue of the Avengers.

Wolverine -- he was a teammate with him briefly, but has been an opponent for just as long.

Spider-Man -- had a brief friendship, and then a fairly violent separation

Thing -- has never been on the same team; they've probably known each other for a while, but I seriously doubt they'd hang in the same circles and/or consider each other good friends.

Again, it makes no sense that these people would be in Tony's ancestral home and the place the classic Avengers (many of whom will be on the Avengers again) spent years. It makes far more sense for them to be in a place that Tony's probably not really attached to. He may have known them for years, but certainly hasn't ever been close friends with them (well, except Jewel, because she's the bestest friend ever!).

And I love how the mansion is suddenly considered to be among the people. I mean, lots of "people" have butlers, right? It's all very "street."

You do realize that Stark had relationships with these people outside of what happened in New Avengers, right? Even before they were on the New Avengers together he was teaming up with these guys. In fact, in the late 90's (I think), Wolverine, Iron Man, Cap, Luke Cage, and Iron Fist all teamed up to fight Junto (I think it was) and his Hand Dragons & Sorcery. That was almost like the first New Avengers mission.

You act as if they met for the 1st time when the New Avengers formed in Bendis' Book. What about the Infinity War, The Infinity Gauntlet, Secret Wars, etc. and all of the mega-events where these guys fought back to back with each other? What about the solo team-ups that he's had with Wolverine, Spider-Man, and Cage prior to NA, and since the NA was founded? Have you seen how many times Iron Man has teamed up with the Thing (Fantastic Four)? He does know and trust these people.

EX) You said that Wolverine was an Iron Man opponent for as long as he was a teammate...he wasn't so much of an opponent that Iron Man wouldn't lend Wolverine his undersea armor to go after Nitro during the Civil War. In another instance, Wolverine actually fell into a trap because he learned of a terrorist organization's plans to kill Tony Stark. Despite their differences at the time, he went to save him. These guys aren't strangers...he's known them, fought beside them, and even fought against them at one point or another, but he knows that they're all heroes. You just have to accpt the fact that these guys are a part of the Avengers Mythos now...It's been like 5 years now for God's sake.

[stewart48]

So glad to see Pietro staying affiliated with the Avengers.

The guy that manipulated the Scarlet Witch into creating House of M is an instructor, but then again who outside the avengers and x-men really know about it. I'm glad he's an Avenger though, his arrogance and air of superiority is very much needed.

[Mulbard]

Apparently the New Avengers are being based in Avengers Mansion and the Avengers are based in the Avengers Tower.

Pretty interesting stuff.

I am very cool with this!:biggrin:
I hope they live in their bases, it'll be like the early NA times. Peter can be Stark's "employee" again. :wink:
(can Secret Avengers have a moon-base? That would be so cool)

[Beast]

I am very cool with this!:biggrin:
I hope they live in their bases, it'll be like the early NA times. Peter can be Stark's "employee" again. :wink:
(can Secret Avengers have a moon-base? That would be so cool)
I wouldn't mind them having a cool moonbase. Or using Beast's connection in S.W.O.R.D. to set up on The Peak.

[mindcrime]

I thought this might be of interest to be people:


http://www.newsarama.com/comics/c2e2-2010-mondo-marvel-100416.html (httphttp://www.newsarama.com/comics/c2e2-2010-mondo-marvel-100416.html)


So Tony must get the tower back then...Nice.

[XPac]

So Tony must get the tower back then...Nice.

Sort of makes you wonder how quickly Stark gets all his money back though.

After Disassembled he couldn't afford to rebuild one Avengers HQ, but coming off of Dark Reign he seems capable of rebuilding 2 bases (possibly 3).

Though perhaps the government helps out the Avengers in terms of funding.

[motteditor]

After Disassembled he couldn't afford to rebuild one Avengers HQ.

Well, except for that massive tower he built...

[Beast]

Well, except for that massive tower he built...
He kinda screwed SHIELD/the government into paying for that.

That's why Norman Osborn was able to take control of it after Tony was booted out.

And it was already partially built before Stark ran into money problems. They just finished it.

[motteditor]

He kinda screwed SHIELD/the government into paying for that.

That's why Norman Osborn was able to take control of it after Tony was booted out.

And it was already partially built before Stark ran into money problems. They just finished it.

But since part of the excuse for the Avengers all quitting was not having a headquarters, one wonders why they didn't realize there was this half-built tower there. Considering the Avengers were on pretty good terms with SHIELD and the government at the time, why wouldn't they agree to finish it for the Avengers beforehand? It just continues to make no sense...

[XPac]

But since part of the excuse for the Avengers all quitting was not having a headquarters, one wonders why they didn't realize there was this half-built tower there. Considering the Avengers were on pretty good terms with SHIELD and the government at the time, why wouldn't they agree to finish it for the Avengers beforehand? It just continues to make no sense...

Probably because Stark was too cheap to over it to them until Cap talked him into it later.

Course, Pym also could have simply offered to create an infinity mansion for them. That would have worked too.