X-Speculation: The thread for speculating about what may happen (spoilers!!!)

[Brian Cronin]

Feel free to share here any speculations you may wish to make about what will happen in the future in all of the X-Books!

Go crazy! :)

Here, for instance, are Bishop Proudstar's thoughts about what would be cool in X-Men: The End.

Wouldn't it be a nice "out" if?

It's probably all a bad dream of Franklin's (who is a pre-teen with a crush on a very grown Rachel)..lol!

Franky probably is making her feel "weird" like her Franklin did in "Days of Future Present"...He's taping her powers again..

That's probably why Rachel just isn't in a good mood...

The spirit of the adult Franky that resides in her psyche probably wants Phoenix to return to help him change reality (so that Rachel is born, and that the adult Rachel goes back to the Askani future)..

He links up with the kid, and creates the downfall of the X-men inadvertently..

Jean Grey must return to help him, then give her Phoenix power to the adult Rachel, and give birth to the child.

He impersonates Lilandra's general, and guides her, but she has her own motives implanted by Cassandra X. Lil will probably figure out who he is, and then try to kill him.

Sinister is probably just playing along until he can force the adult Franklin to inpregnate the adult Rachel...What a kid!

He has to get Franklin and Rachel together whille serving Lilandra by helping to kill the X-Men..

He knows that either Rachel or this offspring can erase the new mutant virus, (and make Essex human again).

Have fun! :)

-Brian

[Karl J. Barnes]

From the story arc in Uncanny where Rachel and Emma have hooked up to take on Ross and Viper: do you think that Rachel may at some point truely become a protege` of Emma's. As much as she says she hates Emma, she surely was taken aback by Emma's abilities to handle her psychic onslaught. I can actually see Rachel warming up to Emma, if only in a student-pupil sort of way.

What do the rest of you think?

[Vector]

Shaw is forcing Tessa to work for him again in return for revealing where Bogan was keeping Psylocke and how to free her from the statue.

:p

[fishtaco]

Shaw is forcing Tessa to work for him again in return for revealing where Bogan was keeping Psylocke and how to free her from the statue.

:p


now THAT is an awesome idea!!

[Karl J. Barnes]

I think that Roberto De Costa/Sunspot will start to be more "corrupt"(little grayer in his thinking) the longer he hangs out with Shaw and The Inner Circle. Actually would be pretty cool to see Roberto go down that slippery slope and then gradually reclaim his optimism and ideals.

[Vector]

I think that Roberto De Costa/Sunspot will start to be more "corrupt"(little grayer in his thinking) the longer he hangs out with Shaw and The Inner Circle. Actually would be pretty cool to see Roberto go down that slippery slope and then gradually reclaim his optimism and ideals.

I could see that. He always was, IMO, a little edgier than the other New Mutats. Like father like son.

[The Fury]

Priest, I agree with the Emma/Rachel tutorage thing. With more of a I hate you but respect you type of thing going on.

Sunpsot becomming more corrupt would be a good development, after all he is a businessman like many of the HellFire. His corruption could also cause him to loose a large part of his wealth. Great for character development.

[Bishop_Proudstar]

Priest, I agree with the Emma/Rachel tutorage thing. With more of a I hate you but respect you type of thing going on.

Sunpsot becomming more corrupt would be a good development, after all he is a businessman like many of the HellFire. His corruption could also cause him to loose a large part of his wealth. Great for character development.

If I was writing The X-Men:

(Sunspot Speculation)

Bobby would promise Sammy and Boom that he can do more good in The Hellfire Club (after Bogan, Shaw, and Selene are eliminated)..

As The New Black or White King he could weaken the evil remaining from within.. He could reveal more to Magma that Selene has held...

Sure, The other Hellfire members have interests in X-Corp, but he can control them as a founder of a new inner circle (also Xavier owns a great amount)

Magma doesn't trust Sam because Empath is his partner. Empath promises that he feels that same way as DaCosta. They can take over THe Hellfire Club, but they'll need a "power boost" from Sage....

Cable and Domino warns the aspiring White King (Sunpspot) and White Rook (Empath)

[fishtaco]

eh. I dont look at Sebastion Shaw as the villain in this arc. Remember X-men/HFC vs Nimrod? yeah. that kind of thing.

What issue was that by the way?

[DDM]

eh. I dont look at Sebastion Shaw as the villain in this arc. Remember X-men/HFC vs Nimrod? yeah. that kind of thing.

What issue was that by the way?

Uncanny X-Men #207-209

[Bishop_Proudstar]

Emma could be talking to Mr.Sinister in Astonishing about Cyclops' well-being..

[If I was the writer]

To prevent the events happening in "Claremont's X-Men: The End" in The 616:

Adam X (who could be the secret manipulator in Lillandra's court) should be the next in line for The Sh'iar Throne (although several Sh'iar do not approve of a "half-breed" and quietly seek solutions----The one on Earth wears red).

Lilandra comes to Earth and cause problems between Chuck and Magneto in Genosha..

[Bishop_Proudstar]

Juggernaut could end up in "Exiles"..

TJ could join X-Force or Excalibur..


The New Green Goblin and his siter are mutants who could attract the interest of Purity..

[fishtaco]

Emma could be talking to Mr.Sinister in Astonishing about Cyclops' well-being..

[If I was the writer]

To prevent the events happening in "Claremont's X-Men: The End" in The 616:

Adam X (who could be the secret manipulator in Lillandra's court) should be the next in line for The Sh'iar Throne (although several Sh'iar do not approve of a "half-breed" and quietly seek solutions----The one on Earth wears red).

Lilandra comes to Earth and cause problems between Chuck and Magneto in Genosha..


See my post on the "Whats Emma up to?" thread.

[The Fury]

Juggernaut could end up in "Exiles"..

Actually I like that idea. Maybe Xorns head is an interdimensional gateway and Juggs, The Brotherhood all could travel to another world where they are confronted by the Exiles who have to stop them, with in the end, TJ and Juggs joining the group.

[Phoenix]

didn't we see Berto go down the corrupt road as Reignfire????

[fishtaco]

didn't we see Berto go down the corrupt road as Reignfire????


no. i cant explain it. See X-Force issues 78-80 :)

[Elias Bogan]

Here is what I think is going to happen in Uncanny:

Sage discovered that Psylocke is really alive somewhere and Shaw knows where she is and is working for him to learn where she is as repetence for not being able to save Phoenix from the HFC back in the day. 454 is the X-Men teaming up with the HFC to defeat Peirce as Selene continues to linger in the shadows. Bishop will plead with Sage to return to the team but she refuses saying her place is with Shaw. Emma warns Roberto not to let Shaw, etc corrupt him and Emma and Rach come to a final understanding as Rach see's Emma crying at Jeans grave.

The "On Ice" savage land story will do this: Storm, Nightcrawler, Rach and Bish journey to the savage land as Selene continues to stalk Rach. Wolverine learns someone is trying to awaken Garrok and rushes to the savage land. Meanwhile, Shaw reveals to Sage that Bogan has Psylocke and is willing to make a trade.

Basically, Selene finally attacks and drains Rach of her powers rapidly aging her back into her mother askani form, just as Sage comes upon Psylocke's comatose body but discovers its a trap as Bogan takes possession of her. Selene with her enhanced powers awakens Garrok as the savage land turns to stone(line in the tv show). IN the battle, Bish and Kurt become separated from Logan and Storm as Lo and Ro loose their memories and Rach vanishes.

It would basically be another version of the arc from Uncanny 251-268 where the X-Men were scattered across the globe and really not a team. Except this time, Psylocke would do the searching and reuniting.

[Doom Hammer]

CYCLOPALYPSE!!!

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=20923

Seen here, for those of you un-familiar with my incoherent ramblings.

[Vegetarian Goat]

I Don't know how many of you are familiar with Micro-Heroes, but in the Micro Hero Archive Site: http://www.majorbend.com/micros/archiveindex.html , There are two Deadpool Micros by two different people where he's wearing the same costume... . and it has X's all over it, and looks a LOT like Cyke's... is he joining Milligan's X-Men?

[Doom Hammer]

I Don't know how many of you are familiar with Micro-Heroes, but in the Micro Hero Archive Site: http://www.majorbend.com/micros/archiveindex.html , There are two Deadpool Micros by two different people where he's wearing the same costume... . and it has X's all over it, and looks a LOT like Cyke's... is he joining Milligan's X-Men?

In Cable and Deadpool, he has currently teamed up with the X Men and is wearing an X-costume which looks like Cyke's only with the "eyes" that Deadpool has. (Wade first wore Phoenix' old costume, but it made everyone sick. Y'know, the yellow thong and all.)

Thats where those pictures are probably from. Lemme check.

[Doom Hammer]

Im not sure if this has been established yet, but watch out for Bogan in the Savage Land.

By chance, I went back and read the "Prisoner of Fire" XXM arc, and I caught a little red flag. Upon searching Bogan's quarters, the team notices several head trophies of dinosaurs and other, big animals. After considering this, Bobby DaCosta states, "Either this guy has been around for a very long time, or he safaris in the Savage Land pretty often" (or something to that tune).

Now, in consideration of the fact that man and dinosaur never coexisted (duh, thank you Dr. DoomHammer), and I doubt that Claremont would breach that line out of respect for believability, Id say Elias Bogan has a Savage Land Hideaway.

If this was already definitely established, well, theres a little support of that.

[Vegetarian Goat]

In Cable and Deadpool, he has currently teamed up with the X Men and is wearing an X-costume which looks like Cyke's only with the "eyes" that Deadpool has. (Wade first wore Phoenix' old costume, but it made everyone sick. Y'know, the yellow thong and all.)

Thats where those pictures are probably from. Lemme check.

That 'splains everything. thanks!

[jeangreydp]

Emma and Rach come to a final understanding as Rach see's Emma crying at Jeans grave.

Okay, as for the whole emma/rachel thing- I bet they will become i hate you, but respect you type. I really WISH they would continue to both hate and disrespect, but I never get what I want.

As for Emma crying at Jean's grave, why would she do that? Does sheer happiness bring her to tears?

[PerfectBrak]

Astonishing X-Men Second Arc Villain Discussion:

Over at another messageboard, someone proposed the idea of the Danger Room being the villain in Astonishing. It makes sense, it either gained sentience or is being manipulated/possessed by something like Cassandra Nova. This would explain why Wing killed himself, he was coerced by the Danger Room. Emma would therefore not be a traitor but is also being manipulated. If you think back, many conversations between the team took place within the Danger Room. Perhaps the Danger Room is afraid of Kitty's phasing powers effect on machinery, and thats why Emma comments on her at the end of #6. Also, the title of the story arc is "Dangerous", and "Chaos" over in Avengers hinted at Wanda being the culprit...

[Fede]

Perhaps the Danger Room is afraid of Kitty's phasing powers effect on machinery

what an imagination |o|

[mushroom2703]

And that would be where i drop the title

[fishtaco]

I would actually kind of enjoy that I think. Kinda reminds me of Krakoa.

[mushroom2703]

Having been a fan of Whedon for a long while, its not necessarily the idea thats that awful ( well i hate that notion but it could be written decnetly), i just know he could write something alot bigger than that.

[fishtaco]

Is anyone under the impression that Elias Bogan is behind the mutant slave trade thing in Uncanny?

[Bishop_Proudstar]

A more mature Legion is The Timebroker?

Maybe, his mistake was trying to kill Magneto, sort of cuased a "ripple effect" of multiple realities..

Maybe, Legion creating the AoA caused Rory Campbell to become Ahab for Rachel's reality.

Now legion is taking "refugees from all of his "problem realities" to solve certain problems in the others...

[Vegetarian Goat]

A more mature Legion is The Timebroker?

Seriously? or is this just speculation.. i dropped exiles a long time ago...

[PhoenixBoyX]

Oh god Oh god. I just had the saddest notion. Wing died in the Danger Room. Possibly from a projection. The solict for Astonishing X-Men 9 says
"Danger takes on a whole new meaning as the Astonishing X-Men are forced to confront a reality they never thought possible."
And the arc is called "Dangerous."
What if the traitor is the Danger Room itself. OR an evil being in the Danger Room computer. Like Cassandra Nova is running amuck in the X-Mansion. And Emma is possibly evil because of Cerebro and the person in is there too. Xavier left because of it. And now it's programmed itself into the Danger Room. Oh good gracious. I so hope not.
-PhoenixBoyX

[xmanson]

Oh god Oh god. I just had the saddest notion. Wing died in the Danger Room. Possibly from a projection. The solict for Astonishing X-Men 9 says
"Danger takes on a whole new meaning as the Astonishing X-Men are forced to confront a reality they never thought possible."
And the arc is called "Dangerous."
What if the traitor is the Danger Room itself. OR an evil being in the Danger Room computer. Like Cassandra Nova is running amuck in the X-Mansion. And Emma is possibly evil because of Cerebro and the person in is there too. Xavier left because of it. And now it's programmed itself into the Danger Room. Oh good gracious. I so hope not.
-PhoenixBoyX

First Cerebro, now the Danger Room...what's next? Blackbird goes evil? The X-men should live in a cave and take the bus and train with sticks.

[Corey Dreher]

Again I'm taking a stab in the dark but I think (as everybody else) something big is going down. First lets start out with X-men. In the new arc Golotha, in issues 166 0r 167 you see that Emma has glowing red eyes. Could it be Bogan controling her again? Then in Uncanny X-men, they are going to the Savage Land where Bogan is suppose to be at. And also I think Psylocke is back in a different body, (the cover of issue 457). And then in Astonishing X-men the Tratior is creating all kinds of havok. I think that either Sinister or Bogan is helping Emma.(And plus I think that Emma is controling Scott) And in the New X-men Acdemy X, they are visited by a "ghost' (could it be Carter?) and I think that might have something to do with that. And last but not least In Excalubier Dark Beast is back. So this is just what I think and... um..... start posting.

[HarrisonJohn]

Probably all building up for this House of M thing which involves Magneto...

[Headhunter]

I enjoy how Marvel constantly belittles DC for their overbearing crossover events, then sets up their own...

[mattbib]

Where has Marvel belittled DC for crossovers? Really, I'd like to read that article. :)

Anyway, this will be the first real crossover (Disassembled doesn't count) Marvel's had in many years. Anyway, please refer to the dozens of existing "House of M" threads. :)

[FunkyGreenJerusalem]

Oh yay!

I think it'll be great if Psylocke comes back in yet another body!

(I once was thinking about what I'd do if I could write x-men, and decided I'd slowly have psylocke lose her limbs, and instead of an arm she'd have a purple telekinetic one, until eventually she had no body at all. figured it'd look kill, and get rid of that whole confusing body swap thing all together.

[Vegetarian Goat]

I'd slowly have psylocke lose her limbs, and instead of an arm she'd have a purple telekinetic one, until eventually she had no body at all.

Like the Tin Woodsman!!

But on topic... I do think there are a lot of pieces to a giant puzzle: Bogan, Sinister, & Magneto.. but i don't think there's enough information YET to form a solid hypothesis...

[Ugoff]

Mind control...a traitor storyline....ugh

No slavery

When will it end?

[Twigglet]

I can't see their being an X-men crossover with all the books really, but if their was you can guarentee Marvel would hype it. THye wouldn't announce solits without saying it was a tie in.

[handOFfate]

A crossover is definantely possible. However, I would wait to read a few more issues of the "big three" X-books before making a hypothesis to what it's about.

[LoneWolf21]

Giving this thread a boot back up top due to conversations in the X-spoilers thread

[Beast]

Giving this thread a boot back up top due to conversations in the X-spoilers thread
Thanks for finding it LoneWolf, hopefully BP will make use of it. :p

[fishtaco]

And I thought nobody listens to me :p

[Kid Seven]

I speculate that I will be very angry if Emma turns out to be bad.

(Does that count? ;) )

But seriously, my guess is that it's Cassandra that Emma was talking to at the end of issue six. Just a hunch.

[Doom Hammer]

I think this thread is more relevent than ever, what with the massive amounts of loose ends House of M left untied.

So, let's being posting our Post-House-of-M/DeciMation speculation!

As we saw on the last page of House of M #8, something in space is absorbing all the extra mutant energies that have left the thousands of mutants. My guess? The new villain from X-Men: Deadly Genesis, who first appears in (you guessed it) space. This guy is supposed to be super-powerful, no?

I was thinking about X-Factor and all the de-mutantifications that have occured already, and I started to think about how many of these guys will keep their powers. The natural assumption is that this group bands together as some of the last mutants, but really, they could be more of an ex-mutant support group, you know? We know Wolfsbane and Jamie are keeping their powers, (and probably Guido, but he just might be a big guy), but the rest? I dunno. Just a thought. Keep 'em coming.

I know someone had an idea about Hawkeye...

[Cayman]

I think this thread is more relevent than ever, what with the massive amounts of loose ends House of M left untied.

So, let's being posting our Post-House-of-M/DeciMation speculation!

As we saw on the last page of House of M #8, something in space is absorbing all the extra mutant energies that have left the thousands of mutants. My guess? The new villain from X-Men: Deadly Genesis, who first appears in (you guessed it) space. This guy is supposed to be super-powerful, no?

I was thinking about X-Factor and all the de-mutantifications that have occured already, and I started to think about how many of these guys will keep their powers. The natural assumption is that this group bands together as some of the last mutants, but really, they could be more of an ex-mutant support group, you know? We know Wolfsbane and Jamie are keeping their powers, (and probably Guido, but he just might be a big guy), but the rest? I dunno. Just a thought. Keep 'em coming.

I know someone had an idea about Hawkeye...


I think it might be Krakoa coming back from space. He feeds on mutant energies. I guess he's shown up in Quasar a few times, but other than that, he's been dormant.

Cay

[darknessatnoon]

I have tried to broach this discussion with each issue of Astonishing and once in its own thread which was silenced by Jean Grey Sympathizers.

Astonishing X-Men seems to be echoing touch points from Ellis's work on X-Man during the Reload era. At that time, the X-line jumped six months into the future. Some books went back and explained later on what had happened during that missing period. In X-Man, all we knew was that Nate Grey was now a shaman. The story explaining why involved a resolution to the Forge and Madelyne Pryor relationships that had both been part of his origin.

As you may know, Nate was raised by Forge and escaped his home-world to enter into an incestuous relationship with Madelyne Pryor. As Ellis backtracked to that missing six month period, we learned that Nate's transformation into a shaman of the mutant race had to do with the death of another Forge and the revelation that Madelyne Pryor had been Jean Grey all along.

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh227/darknessatnoon/QueenJean.jpg

The Red Queen ruled the UK Empire with Mr. Scratch as her enforcer. She arrived in her universe when the Phoenix killed herself on the Blue Area of the Moon in Uncanny X-Men #137, at the same time as Madelyne Pryor's cloned body woke up in Mr. Sinister's lab. In the UK, the Red Queen waged war on the mutants of the Chinese Empire, including two who matched the description of the X-Men Wolverine and Colossus. She also collected Nate Greys from around the universe to use them as weapons and collect their power. Her consort was Forge, whose assassinate she ordered in X-Man #63.

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh227/darknessatnoon/forge1.jpg

Again, Forge seems to be a character of great interest in the current Astonishing X-Men.

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh227/darknessatnoon/forge2.jpg

Subject X looks a lot like Mr. Scratch. The "Chinese X-Men" seem to be in play again, and Abigail Brand is afraid of Ghost Box incursions from a parallel reality.

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh227/darknessatnoon/ghostbox.jpg

In Uncanny, Madelyne Pryor is back and seems to be trying to access a source of great power.

Speculate.

[drwho]

why are you continuously trying to bring back importance to one of the worst x-man stories in the series of the title?

My speculation is that it is completely unrelated.

[HeckBoy]

Always a possibility, but I'm neither for nor against Nate coming back. Never found him that all that interesting in the first place (maybe the only time was during the Onslaught stuff). Also, I'm not particularly fond of extra-reality characters (esp. ones already with a living counterpart) in starring roles in the 616.

[darknessatnoon]

why are you continuously trying to bring back importance to one of the worst x-man stories in the series of the title?

My speculation is that it is completely unrelated.

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh227/darknessatnoon/SubjectX.jpg

[Novaya Havoc]

LOL!

Stop posting scans, darknessatnoon. You will get PAD to shut down CBR.

[Pach!]

This will definitely happen.

Darknessatnoon, you are definitely ahead of the curve with all these plots. I cant wait for your Lost predictions to also come true!

[Swashbuckler]

Ugh, This thread makes me vomit. I hate Nate Grey and the mere suggestion of him returning repulses me.

[Jake V]

People have been speculating that Ellis will bring back X-Man in his Astonishing run long before it even started, but nothing beyond the idea of him coming back.

Its cool that you're thinking about HOW it will happen.

[4sake]

This seem interesting & i like Nate Gery, would like to see him return. So I'd kinda like to see this happen

[darknessatnoon]

People have been speculating that Ellis will bring back X-Man in his Astonishing run long before it even started, but nothing beyond the idea of him coming back.

Its cool that you're thinking about HOW it will happen.

Thank you, Jake. I am interested in how the story would technically build up. It actually makes reading Astonishing interesting to me. I know that Novaya and Swash want to silence me for "continuitywonk" and speculation about a "bad character." Jean Grey fans hate me because I know she is evil and is a parasite on the universe. But I WILL NOT BE SILENCED.

[rojash]

The Forge thing from the end of issue #28 actually had me interested in reading the next issue, which is a first for an Ellis issue of Astonishing.

[Joe Franklin]

This seem interesting & i like Nate Gery

Nate Gery rules.:biggrin:

Who's Nate Gery though?:confused:

[darknessatnoon]

The Forge thing from the end of issue #28 actually had me interested in reading the next issue, which is a first for an Ellis issue of Astonishing.

Do you think it's going where I think it's going?

[Stephen Moreno]

Very intelligent insight, for once we get some thought put into a thread. I will take what you have laid out and give it some thought and when I'm done I will reply.

[AcesX1X]

i don't think there's any question about whether or not nate's going to somehow be involved with astonishing.

while i want to consider uncanny as a back-up source to your theory, dn@n...based on everything happening in uncanny that's not maddie-related, i just....i don't see how that's possible.

something like this just requires a lot of planning, in my opinion.

[rojash]

Do you think it's going where I think it's going?

I think it's plausible, at the very least.

Ellis has a habit of tying his work together when it's in the same sandbox.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Darkness? I think that you may be onto something here.

Granted, I don't believe it will necessarily lead to any direct return of Nate Grey, but these are strong themes and concepts which Ellis has played with before. Whether it's shameless self-referencing of his past continuity or something more complex? Well, we'll have to wait and see.

But major kudos for the theory.

[darknessatnoon]

i don't think there's any question about whether or not nate's going to somehow be involved with astonishing.

while i want to consider uncanny as a back-up source to your theory, dn@n...based on everything happening in uncanny that's not maddie-related, i just....i don't see how that's possible.

something like this just requires a lot of planning, in my opinion.

How would it relate to Uncanny?

I've been thinking about it while doing dishes.

Nate Grey was warned that the Red Queen in Ellis's story was interested in resurrection. So is the Maddie in Uncanny. The name can't just be a coincidence, and in the Dodson drawn issues she's wearing similar clothing. Ellis's Red Queen wanted a power source to rekindle her powers so she could consume the universe (to return to her Dark Phoenix levels) and went after Nate Grey to do so. She also wanted to sacrifice the population of China in the process.

Nate Grey is gone ... but...

Isn't Hope Summers supposed to kill a million people? And don't she and Maddie look the same? What if Bishop's legends confuse Maddie with Hope, or Maddie is trying to use Hope to do sacrifice those people in order to resurrect Jean Grey and restore herself to Phoenix level power? As for editorial planning, it can't be a coincidence that Maddie is in Uncanny plotting something against Cyclops while Cyclops is waiting for their son to return from the future with Hope. What if the X-Men need Nate to stop Maddie? What if Hope shouldn't be under the protection of Nathan Summers but Nate Grey instead?

[Josef F.]

Nate Grey, shaman of the Mutant race is relevant, interesting, powerful, inspires thought-provoking stories, and is a mine of untapped story potential.

Nate Summers has a metal arm.

[cpahl2000]

I think it's plausible, at the very least.

Ellis has a habit of tying his work together when it's in the same sandbox.


I agree. Would be great Nate´s return and Ellis could do that after all, he helped to get rid of him( I know it was Steve Grant but Ellis helped develop the X-Counter line).

[rojash]

Isn't Hope Summers supposed to kill a million people? And don't she and Maddie look the same? What if Bishop's legends confuse Maddie with Hope, or Maddie is trying to use Hope to do sacrifice those people in order to resurrect Jean Grey and restore herself to Phoenix level power? As for editorial planning, it can't be a coincidence that Maddie is in Uncanny plotting something against Cyclops while Cyclops is waiting for their son to return from the future with Hope. What if the X-Men need Nate to stop Maddie? What if Hope shouldn't be under the protection of Nathan Summers but Nate Grey instead?

Sound reasoning. All signs point to Hope being a Jean clone, which would make her a shoe-in for the Maddie confusion. It would also add a level of complexity to Sinister being interested in Hope during Messiah Complex.

[darknessatnoon]

Ellis has a habit of tying his work together when it's in the same sandbox.

He even does it when it's out of the same sandbox. For example, the angel Qabiri fought a version of The Authority. Nate was able to save some of them, but unfortunately not their version of Midnighter.

[rwsmith]

Unfortunately I think you're onto something here. For the life of me, though, I cannot fathom why they'd want to bring that AoA reject back! :confused:

I can't stand X-man.

[alf_to_the_rescue]

How would it relate to Uncanny?

I've been thinking about it while doing dishes.

Nate Grey was warned that the Red Queen in Ellis's story was interested in resurrection. So is the Maddie in Uncanny. The name can't just be a coincidence, and in the Dodson drawn issues she's wearing similar clothing. Ellis's Red Queen wanted a power source to rekindle her powers so she could consume the universe (to return to her Dark Phoenix levels) and went after Nate Grey to do so. She also wanted to sacrifice the population of China in the process.

Nate Grey is gone ... but...

Isn't Hope Summers supposed to kill a million people? And don't she and Maddie look the same? What if Bishop's legends confuse Maddie with Hope, or Maddie is trying to use Hope to do sacrifice those people in order to resurrect Jean Grey and restore herself to Phoenix level power? As for editorial planning, it can't be a coincidence that Maddie is in Uncanny plotting something against Cyclops while Cyclops is waiting for their son to return from the future with Hope. What if the X-Men need Nate to stop Maddie? What if Hope shouldn't be under the protection of Nathan Summers but Nate Grey instead?

This is much better than what they will actually end up doing.

[darknessatnoon]

This is much better than what they will actually end up doing.

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh227/darknessatnoon/sacrifice.jpg

The Phoenix always requires a sacrifice. Insect People, D'Bari, the Chinese. You can't have power without a sacrifice.

A million people ...

What if to rekindle the Phoenix and kickstart the mutant race, a human sacrifice needs to be made?


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[Josef F.]

Unfortunately I think you're onto something here. For the life of me, though, I cannot fathom why they'd want to bring that AoA reject back! :confused:

I can't stand X-man.

Many people say that about Other Nate.

[rwsmith]

True. Many people also say it about X-man. I think he sucks. Just my opinion, but I don't want him back. The other Nate is cool in my book, but only when they're not overdoing the time-travel/from the future bit.

[Omega Alpha]

I don't see them bringing Nate Grey back at all, but I think you may be onto something here.

[DeniseXfrost]

This is too intelligent for me.

[Henry T.]

How would it relate to Uncanny?

I've been thinking about it while doing dishes.

Nate Grey was warned that the Red Queen in Ellis's story was interested in resurrection. So is the Maddie in Uncanny. The name can't just be a coincidence, and in the Dodson drawn issues she's wearing similar clothing. Ellis's Red Queen wanted a power source to rekindle her powers so she could consume the universe (to return to her Dark Phoenix levels) and went after Nate Grey to do so. She also wanted to sacrifice the population of China in the process.

Nate Grey is gone ... but...

Isn't Hope Summers supposed to kill a million people? And don't she and Maddie look the same? What if Bishop's legends confuse Maddie with Hope, or Maddie is trying to use Hope to do sacrifice those people in order to resurrect Jean Grey and restore herself to Phoenix level power? As for editorial planning, it can't be a coincidence that Maddie is in Uncanny plotting something against Cyclops while Cyclops is waiting for their son to return from the future with Hope. What if the X-Men need Nate to stop Maddie? What if Hope shouldn't be under the protection of Nathan Summers but Nate Grey instead?

I think you are on to something but I'm not sure the stuff in Astonishing X-Men will tie into it (unless the story in Astonishing brings Nate Grey back).

They did hint that Jean and Nate could return to life in that one Endangered Species backstory so that might have been foreshadowing.

I agree that Maddie is probably interested in resurrecting Jean for some reason. And Maddie is going by Red Queen just like Maddie/Queen Jean did in X-Man so maybe she will be portrayed as the same character.

They pretty much confirmed that Hope has something to do with Jean's return in the WonderCon X-Men panel. She may be Jean or of her in some way.

[Omega Alpha]

They pretty much confirmed that Hope has something to do with Jean's return in the WonderCon X-Men panel.

No, they teased exactly like they do every time they are asked about it in the last year and a half. They haven't "pretty much confirmed" anything.

[Henry T.]

It was the most direct teasing that they have done.

It was a direct response to a question about if Jean would be returning.

They didn't tease that directly about Skrull-Jean or Mutant Zero. Sure they have teased about the red haired green eyed girl but I don't think they've said to keep an eye on her as an answer to whether Jean would be coming back before. They just said that she would be a problem for Scott and when asked about her powers they reminded the fans that she had red hair and green eyes.

Of course Hope might not be Jean but I don't think its too much of a leap to suspect that a character that has red hair, green eyes, Phoenix symbols in their eyes, possible omega psychic powers, a connection to Cable, and a possible Messiah like role would have some connection to Jean in some way.

She could be another Jean daughter (birthed from the WHR or something) or another Phoenix avatar or a missing piece of Jean/Phoenix or...

Of course she could be something else entirely (possible but doesn't seem all that likely at the moment).

[Wind Rider]

I admit that this whole Ghost Box story has had me wondering what's really going on. I never read X-Man, so I had no idea of these past events that you bring up, dn@n... its an interesting theory for Astonishing and certainly is food for thought. I'll pay attention for more hints.

[jarrod]

He even does it when it's out of the same sandbox. For example, the angel Qabiri fought a version of The Authority. Nate was able to save some of them, but unfortunately not their version of Midnighter.

We've also seen the 616 equivalent of Mr. Scratch. He was a Black Air agent that Lockheed and Pete Wisom killed in Excalibur #100.

[Assemble]

Look, I Didn't read most of the peoples replies, but I think this is an extremely good suggestion/Idea/Concept... and in a way, I hope it happens. I like pretty much any X-character, so them bringing Nate back would be amazing... and probably make Astonishing a very good title...

Good, thought provoking thread.

[sneggz]

All Nate has to do is reconstitute himself and come back. For a comic book resurection thats too damn easy

[Omega Alpha]

It was the most direct teasing that they have done.


No, it's exactly the same as before. When MC was first announced, they insisted that the baby was not Jean, but when they realized that teasing about it made people talk, they begun to imply that the baby could be her every single freakin time they were asked about it.

[Henry T.]

No, it's exactly the same as before. When MC was first announced, they insisted that the baby was not Jean, but when they realized that teasing about it made people talk, they begun to imply that the baby could be her every single freakin time they were asked about it.

No, they never insisted that the baby was not Jean. They always refused to say whether the baby was or was not.

All they said is that the baby's parents were not pre-existing established characters in response to a question asking whether the parents were Maddrox and Siryn.

The notion that the editors had actually denied that the character was Jean or a character reborn in an interview was a lie that Brian M. came up with because he had insider information that originally the baby was going to be Jean but they had changed it before the story saw print.

Brian wanted to post on the board that the baby was definitely not Jean but since he couldn't say that an insider told him this, he claimed that it was said in an interview.

However, several of us challenged him on this supposed interview and he never produced it and none of us ever found it.

Further discussions led to the revelation that a person connected to a Marvel employee was giving out spoilers and future plans to some of their friends on this board. I was even given spoilers of things that happened in Young X-Men and Uncanny X-Men before they were announced.

However, after one of the comic conventions, the poster jeangreydp said that an editor had told her that most likely the baby would turn out to be Jean Grey after all.

This led to Brian M. (banned at this point) having others post a message from him in X-Cres asking people to e-mail Marvel and request that the baby not be Jean since he never liked that idea anyways.

Ultimately, we will not know for sure whether the messiah child has any connection to Jean at all until all is revealed.

But they are still hinting at it and their hints are increasingly more direct.

[Flinkman]

what a well thought out, interesting theory.

i must confess to having not read the bulk of X-Man (i think i made it up to where he was on Muir Isle with Excalibur), so i have no frame of reference on all this past continuity but if it went how you said it went & Ellis (who i'm also not very familiar with) is known to revisit his past continuity then i'm really hoping this happens.

i love Nate Grey, not as much as Rachel, but infinitely more than Jean. and Cable. back in my adolescence, i always thought he was rather sexy for a drawing lol.

ANYWAYS, kudos to you dn@n...i hope they come up with something even close to that interesting.

[timbox]

Maddie is back in Uncanny, gathering minions and looking for a power source that can rekindle her phoenix powers.

Hope Summers in being protected by Cable in the future as possibly the power source Maddie needs, or some type of catalyst to rekindle Maddie's powers.

Bishop is trying to kill Hope to prevent the million deaths cause by Maddie's plans with Hope.

The ghost box in Astonishing and the Chinese X-Men could be X-Man or some alternate version of Forge coming through to warn/help to prevent the new Dark Phoenix. Maybe the second Madrox dupe from Messiah Complex is with involved with this as well.

Layla's six minute war has to play into this somehow.

[darknessatnoon]

Maddie is back in Uncanny, gathering minions and looking for a power source that can rekindle her phoenix powers.

Hope Summers in being protected by Cable in the future as possibly the power source Maddie needs, or some type of catalyst to rekindle Maddie's powers.

Bishop is trying to kill Hope to prevent the million deaths cause by Maddie's plans with Hope.

The ghost box in Astonishing and the Chinese X-Men could be X-Man or some alternate version of Forge coming through to warn/help to prevent the new Dark Phoenix. Maybe the second Madrox dupe from Messiah Complex is with involved with this as well.

Layla's six minute war has to play into this somehow.

Madrox has no part in my forecast. I do not care about him.

[darknessatnoon]

i must confess to having not read the bulk of X-Man (i think i made it up to where he was on Muir Isle with Excalibur), so i have no frame of reference on all this past continuity but if it went how you said it went & Ellis (who i'm also not very familiar with) is known to revisit his past continuity then i'm really hoping this happens.


Nate Grey is the sexiest Grey, especially when he flies around in a leather trenchcoat with no shirt so that we can see his tattoos.

[just another user]

Dn@N I like your theory, and I hope X Editorial don't have to have a hasty re-write now that their plans have been guessed at.

I have always avoided X Man and openly derided his fans. Is it any good?

[darknessatnoon]

Dn@N I like your theory, and I hope X Editorial don't have to have a hasty re-write now that their plans have been guessed at.

I have always avoided X Man and openly derided his fans. Is it any good?

Well, you liked Generation X so you probably would like X-Man. I liked a few issues here and there and then fell in love when Ellis came onboard. This was before every single character he wrote became Pete Wisdom.

[SayOcean]

didn't we see Berto go down the corrupt road as Reignfire????
that wasnt reignfire

[just another user]

From the deleted "BEAST MUST DIE!!!!" thread, speculation on the Red Queen:

Hi Fi
By the way, Jean Grey is far from gone from the X-Books. Even dead, she's still the biggest enemy and a threat to the mutants alleged "queen".

JAU
Jean Grey is
currently leading the sisterhood in Uncanny under the mistaken belief she is Maddy


Stephen Moreno
Say that again and I kill a relative.

Dn@N
Jean had sex with Empath. Neener neener neener!

JAU
Do you think that whoever the red queen is (So as not to cause Stephen additional fury) the way that she is behaving is due to Empath wanting to be dominated, and it is his powers turning her into a sadistic sociopath? If she was a telepath anyway then maybe there is some sort of feedback loop amplifying Empath's abilities.

Just a thought.

Aces
JAU, i love your thoughts, and i think that....OMG....i think that if jean can't form a proper thought (this is typical jean behavior when she comes out of her comas or reincarnations!), and she somehow ran into empath....

it all makes perfect sense.

[Twisted Bliss]

From the deleted "BEAST MUST DIE!!!!" thread, speculation on the Red Queen:

Hi Fi


JAU


Stephen Moreno


Dn@N


JAU


Aces

Its like someone took the veil from my eyes and I can see.

Thank you JAU. Thank you !!

(I can't wait for Jean to rip the Shi'ar a new one for killing her parents, and to step back into X-men. Slap Emma around before unmasking her as the original Mastermind, Jason Wyngard, whose body was reshaped as Emma Frost by Masque. Cyke has been enjoying man loving all this time and he thought it was just Emma's diamond form fist!! )

[Waterlily]

Nate Grey is the sexiest Grey, especially when he flies around in a leather trenchcoat with no shirt so that we can see his tattoos.

For some reason, I thought you hated Nate Grey...

Dn@N I like your theory, and I hope X Editorial don't have to have a hasty re-write now that their plans have been guessed at.

I have always avoided X Man and openly derided his fans. Is it any good?

Maybe I was confusing you with JAU.