Modern Superman vs Modern Thor

[OptimusPrime1]

Yes, I know this has been done to death. But it seems like Thor has been getting weaker and weaker as time as gone by, and Superman has only been getting more and more powerful.

1) Strength: Clearly Superman has a massive edge here. Thor's MOST IMPRESSIVE strength feat isn't even planet-moving. The Midgard Serpent feat is probably Thor's best. That's 1/3 the size of the earth. Superman powered the endless mill wheels of Mageddon. This might be the most impressive strength feat of any superhero...ever.

2) Speed: Again, clearly Superman has a HUGE advantage here. Its doubtful whether Thor would even be able to hit Superman ONCE before he was KO'ed by a 1,000 planet-shattering punches. (Just look what JUST happened to Thor when he was KO'ed by Norman Osborne's group, none of whom where planet-busters, with the exception of Sentry, who only hit Thor once anyway, and probably not with planet-busting force). (Superman has flown from the galaxy vega to earth in ten minutes).

3) For years, the only thing Thor fanboys have had on Superman is "magic". Well, Superman's magic defense has made this argument virtually meaningless now. Superman has resisted a transmutation from the half demon Blaze. I can show a nearly endless number of magic defense feats from Superman. He has been taught magic defense from Zatanna.

Thor has been gradually grower weaker and weaker. He was defeated by the most one-sided battle ever by the Red Hulk (who the Green Hulk eventually defeated).

And let's not forget, Superman has already defeated Thor in the JLA/Avengers crossover.

Superman is MUCH MUCH more powerful than Thor, this is pretty much unquestionable at this point. And the only reason you disagree is either out of not knowing both sides of the argument, IE ignorance, or being yourself biased.

[Holacik]

Heh, this thread will be closed really, really quick...

[Rev. Calibos]

This won't end well.....

[Mobey Wee]

I've got to say, you're not exactly approaching this in the best way.

You're pointing to Crossovers, as well as low showings for Thor. Not saying I disagree with the assessment, but you're going about it all wrong. You might want to read the rules of the board.

[Holacik]

Thor has been gradually grower weaker and weaker. He was defeated by the most one-sided battle ever by the Red Hulk (who the Green Hulk eventually defeated). This is tossed out as well Rulk is pretty much crap, being he killed Grandmaster, who can't die....



And let's not forget, Superman has already defeated Thor in the JLA/Avengers crossover.
Crossovers are not cannon so this too is out.


Superman is MUCH MUCH more powerful than Thor, this is pretty much unquestionable at this point. And the only reason you disagree is either out of not knowing both sides of the argument, IE ignorance, or being yourself biased. So it seems obvious that you started this thread to flamebait, not a good start for your first post. Maybe you should read the rules.

[QuickDevilRed]

nice first post and god blast

[OptimusPrime1]

I've got to say, you're not exactly approaching this in the best way.

Why not? I'm new here, so explain what I did wrong. I tried to follow the requirements of using feats.

[Mobey Wee]

And the only reason you disagree is either out of not knowing both sides of the argument, IE ignorance, or being yourself biased.

And if you think this is true, one would have to assume you posted this with the intention of starting an argument, rather than a serious debate.

[Rev. Calibos]

Why not? I'm new here, so explain what I did wrong. I tried to follow the requirements of using feats.


You are?

Then how would you know this:


Yes, I know this has been done to death.

[OptimusPrime1]

"Crossovers are not cannon so this too is out."

DC has officially acknowledged the crossover as canon. But I guess it doesn't really matter, because I am talking about the "modern" versions of Thor and Superman. I believe Marvel is pushing Thor out of his spot as Marvel's toughest hero, replacing him with Sentry or Hulk.

[Mobey Wee]

This is tossed out as well Rulk is pretty much crap, being he killed Grandmaster, who can't die....

Crossovers are not cannon so this too is out.

So it seems obvious that you started this thread to flamebait, not a good start for your first post. Maybe you should read the rules.

yeah... this.

[OptimusPrime1]

You are?

Then how would you know this:

Because its been done on every site. I'd say anyone who knows about comic books, knows this.

[Holacik]

Why not? I'm new here, so explain what I did wrong. I tried to follow the requirements of using feats.

Several things, Superman Vs Thor threads are pretty much no-no's around here as well it stirs things up mighty fierce. Mainly though it's how you went about it. Using the term 'Fanboys' is derogatory and tends to rub people the wrong way, also we don't insult other posters here. Read the rules, all of them.

[spiderwire]

I smell a lock...

[QuickDevilRed]

"Crossovers are not cannon so this too is out."

DC has officially acknowledged the crossover as canon. But I guess it doesn't really matter, because I am talking about the "modern" versions of Thor and Superman. I believe Marvel is pushing Thor out of his spot as Marvel's toughest hero, replacing him with Sentry or Hulk.

how can crossovers be figured cannon if the large majority of them are figured out by fan votes?

[OptimusPrime1]

Several things, Superman Vs Thor threads are pretty much no-no's around here as well it stirs things up mighty fierce. Mainly though it's how you went about using the term 'Fanboys' is derogatory and tends to rub people the wrong way, also we don't insult other posters here. Read the rules all of them.

Well, sorry about the fanboys barb then. But why would they not want Superman-Thor debates? Wouldn't you want to stir things up and make an interesting debate?

[Holacik]

how can crossovers be figured cannon if the large majority of them are figured out by fan votes?

That was DC vs Marvel, Jla vs the Avengers was different.

[Siriel]

Well, sorry about the fanboys barb then. But why would they not want Superman-Thor debates? Wouldn't you want to stir things up and make an interesting debate?

There is on interest in a debate that has been done again...and again...and again...

And it always ends in either the thread being closed or a flame war.

[Holacik]

Well, sorry about the fanboys barb then. But why would they not want Superman-Thor debates? Wouldn't you want to stir things up and make an interesting debate?

It's the same arguments, mostly over Thor's speed. It just goes on and on....

[OptimusPrime1]

There is on interest in a debate that has been done again...and again...and again...

And it always ends in either the thread being closed or a flame war.

Well, my point is, Thor has been weakened big time by Marvel RECENTLY. He was defeated by a cadre of mid-tiers led by Norman Osborne. He was beaten by the Rulk. And its been implied Sentry, the Surfer, or the Hulk are more powerful than him now. While Superman has been shown as immune to magic now.

[Mobey Wee]

Well, sorry about the fanboys barb then. But why would they not want Superman-Thor debates? Wouldn't you want to stir things up and make an interesting debate?

And your OP didn't really leave it open for actual debate, it left it open for you to attack anyone who disagreed with you, and say they were being biased.

[OptimusPrime1]

It's the same arguments, mostly over Thor's speed. It just goes on and on....

Even if you leave out the speed. Superman is far stronger now. And lots more durable.

[Holacik]

Well, my point is, Thor has been weakened big time by Marvel RECENTLY. He was defeated by a cadre of mid-tiers led by Norman Osborne. He was beaten by the Rulk. And its been implied Sentry, the Surfer, or the Hulk are more powerful than him now. While Superman has been shown as immune to magic now.

Dude Superman loses to Surfer and Sentry so no harm there. Also didn't Sentry finish Thor off when he was getting dogpiled by the mid-tiers? Not exacyly a low showing. And the Rulk fight was just garbage, Thor's magical enchantment on Mjlinor doesn't work in space?

[Holacik]

Even if you leave out the speed. Superman is far stronger now. And lots more durable.

Speed being equal Thor has a plot device hammer that does stuff like Dimension dump and God blast. I don't like Supe's chances speed being equal.

[OptimusPrime1]

Dude Superman loses to Surfer and Sentry so no harm there. Also didn't Sentry finish Thor off when he was getting dogpiled by the mid-tiers? Not exacyly a low showing. And the Rulk fight was just garbage, Thor's magical enchantment on Mjlinor doesn't work in space?

Well, I gotta disagree that Surfer could handle Supes.

1- Silver Surfer is really vulnerable to physical attacks.

2.- Silver Surfer does not know about Kryptonite

3.- Even if He knew about Kryptonite with his “cosmic awareness” He can create Kryptonite, but sysntetic Kryptonite does not kills Superman only makes him dizzy

4.- He can try to drain Superman yellow sun Energy and Replaces it with red radiation, but He does not know about this

5.- Even If He know A LOT of peolpe have tried this only to get defeted in the end.

6.- The more stress Superman is Under the harder it is to deplete his yellow sun energy

7.- Superman’s powers depend pretty much on his will

8.- Superman COULD ionize the air arround the Silver Surfer and cut him from the cosmic power

10.- In case you did not know Superman can read minds :D

11.- Superman can Use Torquasm VO and defeat the Surfer with it.

[Siriel]

Well, my point is, Thor has been weakened big time by Marvel RECENTLY.
Losing the Odinforce is not that much of a powerdown, given that he was doing all of nothing with it anyway.


He was defeated by a cadre of mid-tiers led by Norman Osborne.
Wasn't that after Sentry sucker punched him?


He was beaten by the Rulk.
Everyone short of Galactus got beaten as Rulk. That's called "A crappy story" or PIS, if you prefer.


And its been implied Sentry, the Surfer, or the Hulk are more powerful than him now. While Superman has been shown as immune to magic now.
Sentry and the Surfer are more powerful than either Superman or Thor, so that doesn't really mean anything.
Hulk is just being his generally overhyped self.

And I seriously doubt anyone's shown Superman to be immune to magic.

[Mobey Wee]

Personally, I have never found Superman and Thor to be a good match anyway, mainly because of the speed issue. DC tends to have a lot more people running around somewhere between the speed of sound and the speed of light than Marvel does.

[OptimusPrime1]

And I seriously doubt anyone's shown Superman to be immune to magic.

Its honestly been shown MANY MANY times recently. As I said, Superman resisted a demon's transmutation magic.

[Mobey Wee]

This is why you need to read the rules. There are things like common knowledge. I was under the impression things like kryptonite, and red/yellow suns fell under that category.

[Siriel]

Well, I gotta disagree that Surfer could handle Supes.

1- Silver Surfer is really vulnerable to physical attacks.
2.- Silver Surfer does not know about Kryptonite
3.- Even if He knew about Kryptonite with his “cosmic awareness” He can create Kryptonite, but sysntetic Kryptonite does not kills Superman only makes him dizzy
4.- He can try to drain Superman yellow sun Energy and Replaces it with red radiation, but He does not know about this
5.- Even If He know A LOT of peolpe have tried this only to get defeted in the end.
6.- The more stress Superman is Under the harder it is to deplete his yellow sun energy
7.- Superman’s powers depend pretty much on his will
8.- Superman COULD ionize the air arround the Silver Surfer and cut him from the cosmic power
10.- In case you did not know Superman can read minds :D
11.- Superman can Use Torquasm VO and defeat the Surfer with it.

1 - No, he's not. He's really, really not. The guy can fly through blackholes.
2 - Being vastly faster than Superman and being able to blast him with planet busting force or to transmute him into a bunny, why would he need to?
3 - See 2.
4 - See 2.
5 - See 2.
6 - See 2. Also, when was this shown?
7 - No, not really.
8 - ...No, Superman isn't particularly doing anything to a power coming from Galactus.
9 - You missed this number.
10 - Super-stupidity one-shot power aside, he cannot. Even if he could, See 2.
11 - I have no idea what the hell this is. See 2, just in case.

[QuickDevilRed]

[QUOTE=OptimusPrime1;10929156]Well, I gotta disagree that Surfer could handle Supes.

3.- Even if He knew about Kryptonite with his “cosmic awareness” He can create Kryptonite, but sysntetic Kryptonite does not kills Superman only makes him dizzy
[quote]
Surfer manipulates matter... it wouldn't be synthetic...

[Holacik]

Well, I gotta disagree that Surfer could handle Supes.

1- Silver Surfer is really vulnerable to physical attacks. Luckily for the Surfer he's way faster and Supes ain't tagging him.


2.- Silver Surfer does not know about Kryptonite Doesn't need to SS can just transmute him into a fluffy bunny.


3.- Even if He knew about Kryptonite with his “cosmic awareness” He can create Kryptonite, but sysntetic Kryptonite does not kills Superman only makes him dizzyDoesn't matter


4.- He can try to drain Superman yellow sun Energy and Replaces it with red radiation, but He does not know about thisDoesn't matter


5.- Even If He know A LOT of peolpe have tried this only to get defeted in the end.A lot of people don't have the speed of SS


6.- The more stress Superman is Under the harder it is to deplete his yellow sun energy....uh, first I heard of this.


7.- Superman’s powers depend pretty much on his will...uh What?


8.- Superman COULD ionize the air arround the Silver Surfer and cut him from the cosmic power Funny if SS doesn't know about Supes weakness then how would Supes know how to do this? Also I never heard of this tactic before Feats?


10.- In case you did not know Superman can read minds :DReally? Since when? Doesn't matter though SS being way way faster.


11.- Superman can Use Torquasm VO and defeat the Surfer with it.
....I have no idea what this is...

[OptimusPrime1]

Haven't you seen the issues where Thor or Beta Ray Bill or Hulk have basically just pounded the Surfer into submission?

[Mobey Wee]

I'm wondering about 10 and 11 as well...

[Siriel]

Haven't you seen the issues where Thor or Beta Ray Bill or Hulk have basically just pounded the Surfer into submission?

Wow.

You seem remarkably certain of which character did that.

Is that the one where Surfer was specifically being weakened by the place where he was fighting Hulk, in addition to having been drained and not using his speed?

[Sharpandpointies]

Thread closed.


For years, the only thing Thor fanboys have had on Superman is "magic".

We don't refer to other people as 'fanboys'. That would be a personal insult.


Thor has been gradually grower weaker and weaker. He was defeated by the most one-sided battle ever by the Red Hulk (who the Green Hulk eventually defeated).

This would be called a low-end showing that's riddled with PIS for Thor, given how it went.


And let's not forget, Superman has already defeated Thor in the JLA/Avengers crossover.

This is a crossover, and not valid evidence by Rumbles standards.


Superman is MUCH MUCH more powerful than Thor, this is pretty much unquestionable at this point.

This is open to debate.


And the only reason you disagree is either out of not knowing both sides of the argument, IE ignorance, or being yourself biased.

And this is inflammatory and insulting.

Welcome to Rumbles. Please read the rules (possibly for a second time) and rein in the inflammatory/insulting stuff.