Best underrated Villain?

[a13506]

If you had to pick one villain(super or not) for a major redesign/recreation/rebirth, who would it be? Witch DC villain do you think deserves a better spotlight or has the greatest untapped potential?

Personally, the WW villain, Devastation, is a major potential capabilities to become one of DCU best villain(if developed well).

[RockinRobin182]

I just love Clayface and Man Bat. God knows why, but I do.

[HaroldAllnut]

I've always had a soft spot for Multiplex, the old villain from Firestorm.

[Deviant]

Black Mask and Red Hood

[Professor Moriarty]

i think Dr. Destiny has potential.

he needs to be re-vamped.

[LightningRider]

Half of Wonder Woman's rogues are up there.

Dr Psycho? Underused. Dr Poison or Dr. Cyber? Underdeveloped.

But they all have great potential. :biggrin:

[FirestormTheNuclearMan]

First Sonar Get a updated costume, and make him a terrorist weapons supplier, and a terrorist. Revamp he has sound super powers rather than a crappy clichie sound gun.

Mad Hatter The same criminal mastermind that made Gotham PD his own personal army. Quit disrespecting him, and have him get a major storyline to show dangerous he is.




ShadowStorm The evil Firestorm should be causing problems in the DC Universe. Not getting wasted like he's crappy shoes that got thrown away.

[Crimson Knightman]

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[Talisman]

i think Dr. Destiny has potential.

he needs to be re-vamped.
Agreed. I can't get enough of him.

[marshal99]

Major Force , he's an evil version of captain atom , pretty powerful and KO superman once. Sadly he got chumped on nowadays and gets killed so frequently that they doesn't even bother to explain how he comes back the next time they bring him back.

Kestrel , he's an agent of chaos and can jump from human host to human host and possessed them , he's pretty powerful and being a magicial creature , his claws should be able to cut even superman as well.

[Bevbos]

I thought the recent iteration of Dr. Polaris seen in Blue Beetle was one of the coolest villains I'd seen in a while. Like a businessman Magneto.

[Ned McDodd]

Mad Hatter The same criminal mastermind that made Gotham PD his own personal army. Quit disrespecting him, and have him get a major storyline to show dangerous he is.



The Mad Hatter would be my first choice for a big story too (not only because of the Alice in wonderland movie). Maybe also together with Tweedledum and Tweedledee.

[The Cool Thatguy]

I always thought Deadline had the potential to be bad ass.

[Gabe De Los Muertos]

Mad Hatter, Murmur, Toyman, Hush, and Prometheus, going by what the League thought of him.

[Stuck-in-the-Burg]

I'd love to see Lord Malvolio of the Green Flame again. I don't know if anyone else remembers but there was a lot of speculation back in the day that he was involved with Hal Jordan going bad during Emerald Twilight.

If a character as obscure as Nekron can come back and be the driving force for an entire crossover Malvolio can come back.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Mad Hatter, Murmur, Toyman, Hush, and Prometheus, going by what the League thought of him.

Ya know, frankly, I wish writers would do away with the whole '2nd string', '3rd string' bullcrap.

No baseball player has a perfect batting average, the best defenses gets beaten every now and then and in matters of life and death, under-estimating someone gets someone killed.

Whenever writers invoke it, they act like they're being clever and it's really not. Idiots can be just as dangerous because they are idiots

[The Lobster]

Underrated villains: The Human Flame, Prometheus, Bane, Ares.

[Gabe De Los Muertos]

Ya know, frankly, I wish writers would do away with the whole '2nd string', '3rd string' bullcrap.

No baseball player has a perfect batting average, the best defenses gets beaten every now and then and in matters of life and death, under-estimating someone gets someone killed.

Whenever writers invoke it, they act like they're being clever and it's really not. Idiots can be just as dangerous because they are idiots

Wholly agree with that. C4J serves the League right for getting arrogant. I mean, who are Hal and Ollie to think Prometheus was a joke? He almost took out the League in his first conflict with them, who the hell were they to think him a joke?

[Desaad]

Starbreaker, Lord Malvolio, Evil Star, Savitar, Malefic, Chronos, The Lizard King, Neb U Lah, The Candlemaker, Madgod Sector 3600, the Elite (more the evil team concept, rather than any specific member...though I'd love to have Manny Black back), and probably countless others if I thought about it.

[Crapgame13]

Always thought Slipknot was due a re-birth post- Identity Crisis

Also always liked the Killer Elite as a team

[Free-Man]

I love Bane, but unfortunately it seems that no other mass media adaptation other than Batman: TAS is capable of getting him right.

He's almost always portrayed as a mindless thug in every other medium.

[Carter Hall]

I LOVED Fadeaway Man in Palmiotti/Grey's Hawkman run. That guy was dug out of the Golden Age and made awesome. Great villain, but after that he just showed up in a Justice League backup story a few years ago by Len Wein, which was good, too. Underrated and underused, IMHO.

[Stuck-in-the-Burg]

I enjoy Geoff Johns 90% of the time. After Mark Waid he's my favorite Flash writer of the last twenty years. Having said that I think someone needs to take away his 1985 Mead marble composition book of character designs.

As much as I liked Geoff's run all of his "New Rogues" left me cold. They worked for the stories that introduced them and the Rogue War. Now they're just crowd-filler and proof that the classics stood the test of time with good reason.

Blacksmith, Brother Grimm, Cicada, Double Down, Girder, Murmur, Peek-A-Boo, Plunder, Tar Pit. I loved reading about them at the time but looking back five to ten years later I don't feel they've aged well.

[The Cool Thatguy]

I enjoy Geoff Johns 90% of the time. After Mark Waid he's my favorite Flash writer of the last twenty years. Having said that I think someone needs to take away his 1985 Mead marble composition book of character designs.

As much as I liked Geoff's run all of his "New Rogues" left me cold. They worked for the stories that introduced them and the Rogue War. Now they're just crowd-filler and proof that the classics stood the test of time with good reason.

Blacksmith, Brother Grimm, Cicada, Double Down, Girder, Murmur, Peek-A-Boo, Plunder, Tar Pit. I loved reading about them at the time but looking back five to ten years later I don't feel they've aged well.

In all fairness, they weren't really meant to. They were meant to contrast the regular Rogues and fill out action scenes.

That said, I think Brother Grimm and Blacksmith have potential, and his reenvisoned Zoom was one of the best new villains yet.

[FirestormTheNuclearMan]

Alexander Nero A mentally disturbed man that's the dark opposite of Green Lantern (Kyle Rayner). He would be causing so much more problems than Sinestro yet he's getting wasted by not getting used.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Alexander Nero A mentally disturbed man that's the dark opposite of Green Lantern (Kyle Rayner). He would be causing so much more problems than Sinestro yet he's getting wasted by not getting used.

Umm, he was used recently. IIRC, he was executed by the Alpha Lanterns.

[Hullababy]

Starbreaker, Lord Malvolio, Evil Star, Savitar, Malefic, Chronos, The Lizard King, Neb U Lah, The Candlemaker, Madgod Sector 3600, the Elite (more the evil team concept, rather than any specific member...though I'd love to have Manny Black back), and probably countless others if I thought about it.

This absolutely. Although Evil Star might be playing some big role in the upcoming GL storyline.

[Hullababy]

Wholly agree with that. C4J serves the League right for getting arrogant. I mean, who are Hal and Ollie to think Prometheus was a joke? He almost took out the League in his first conflict with them, who the hell were they to think him a joke?

Well I haven't read all the books featuring Prometheus but after Morrison's JLA run, he was kinda portrayed as a crap villain wasn't he ?

[Karl O'Neill]

I love Bane, but unfortunately it seems that no other mass media adaptation other than Batman: TAS is capable of getting him right.

He's almost always portrayed as a mindless thug in every other medium.

You need to read some Secret six!!!

[JurassicParkIsAnAwesomeMovie]

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[HaroldAllnut]

The Infernal Doctor Pip is one of the greatest comic villains of all time.


Dr Psycho? Underused.

Dr. Psycho is freaking awesome. I loved him in Manhunter.


I thought the recent iteration of Dr. Polaris seen in Blue Beetle was one of the coolest villains I'd seen in a while. Like a businessman Magneto.

I also quite like the new Doctor Polaris. His costume is just plain cool.


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BRING BACK THE CONDIMENT KING, DC!

[G. Wayne]

Haha, wow. I have no idea who half these characters are. Gives me some stuff to look up.

*EDIT* Nevermind on the second part. >.>

[FirestormTheNuclearMan]

Circe Getting beat by Batman was by far some of the worst writing in Comic Book History. She needs to be more of a minacious force in the DC Universe.

[Gabe De Los Muertos]

Well I haven't read all the books featuring Prometheus but after Morrison's JLA run, he was kinda portrayed as a crap villain wasn't he ?

That wasn't really him. Some other dude.

[DKR]

The Wrath. He's only had two stories and I love him more than Prometheus. Wrath is the true evil Batman!

[a13506]

Always thought Psimon(from the fearsome five, i think) to have a great potential, but it hardly ever shows.

[titanfan]

Always thought Psimon(from the fearsome five, i think) to have a great potential, but it hardly ever shows.

I loved when he made a play to take over the villain army from Luthor and Braniac in Crisis. That was one of his best moments.

I really wouldn't call a lot of these villains "under-rated"--many of them have headlined major storylines!

5 years ago, I would said Dr. Light. Super-powerful and supposedly super-smart--then they decided to make him "dangerous" by also making him a rapist. That made him more perverted, but it strangely didn't make him any much more competent.

Silver Banshee -- She can kill you by just saying your name? How fortunate for the superhero community that she always runs into a Super-family member instead of say, someone with a public id.

Blaze/Satanus -- Really what have they done since deposing Neron and conquering hell?

Manga Kahn -- Sure he just wants to redecorate the universe in his image--but what happens when it's your planet that's in his sights?

[Schornforce]

I love Bane, but unfortunately it seems that no other mass media adaptation other than Batman: TAS is capable of getting him right.

He's almost always portrayed as a mindless thug in every other medium.

Seconded that you should check out 'Secret Six.'


Circe Getting beat by Batman was by far some of the worst writing in Comic Book History. She needs to be more of a minacious force in the DC Universe.

I think you mean Cheetah. She was one shot KO'ed by Batsy and despite being about as strong as Wonder Woman and fast enough to claw the Flash, was beaten by Catwoman (who IIRC didn't use any cheats or plot devices!).

But, yeah. I vote for nearly all of Wonder Woman's cast of villains here.

Circe is overused, but underrated. She did transform all the male Earthbound DCU heroes and villains (except for shapeshifters) into bestiamorphs as well as transform two of Diana's best friends into temporary enemies (Vanessa and Superman).

Ares is the god of conflict and given how the DCU is portrayed these days, should be an uber powerhouse...

I already mentioned Cheetah and someone else mentioned Doctor Psycho, but yeah-- and the rest of her villains just get more and more obscure and forgotten/unused.

Finally, count me in as being a fan of Prometheus... at least the idea of Prometheus. I didn't pick up 'Cry for Justice' and didn't care for his non-Morrison and non-Birds of Prey appearances. However, like the WW villains, I feel he has great potential.

[Meadowsopranospimp]

I thought the recent iteration of Dr. Polaris seen in Blue Beetle was one of the coolest villains I'd seen in a while. Like a businessman Magneto.

Not seen that, but when I saw the thread title he was the first character I thought of; could be one of DC's best.

[FirestormTheNuclearMan]

The first Dr.Polaris. In the right writer's hand he would be excellent, and not someone that feels like a poorman's Magneto.

[The One and Only]

Renegade geneticist Dabney Donovan from SUPERBOY. Escaped at the end of the excellent Evil Factory story-arc written by Karl Kesel and drawn by Tom Grummet. Was behind the creation of Darksied's own top geneticists , Simyan and Mokkari, also seen in the Evil Factory arc. Along witth numerous Kirby and Jerry Ordway storylines in the Superman books.

[stelok]

Deadshot

Black Hand

Major Disaster

[Jaded Devil]

I LOVED Fadeaway Man in Palmiotti/Grey's Hawkman run. That guy was dug out of the Golden Age and made awesome. Great villain, but after that he just showed up in a Justice League backup story a few years ago by Len Wein, which was good, too. Underrated and underused, IMHO.

This was my first thought, too. I really dug him in that Hawkman run, and loved him assembling the other villains from various periods of Hawk history...Satana, Lionmane, Lasso, Hummingbird...I'd love to see that entire group reunited and given bigger roles in the DCU.

[JCAll]

I suppose continuing to mindlessly repeat my unshakable love for Manchester Black is pointless by now. *sigh*

So I say it's about time to bring back the Nuclear Man. Yeah, Superman IV sucked like holy hell, but the Nuclear Man was cool.

[The One and Only]

Black Zero. The fully adult clone of Kon-El from an alternate reality. Disappeared at the end of the Hypertension story-arc in SUPERBOY. http://spider-bob.com/villains/dc/images/BlackZero02.jpg
This dude would pwn Superboy-Prime.

Also ,I'm with JCAll, on Nuclear Man. While the Quest for Peace is a bit cringe inducing. Luthor's hyped up Superman clone was quite the challenge for the Man of Steel. Love to see him brought into comics with a little tune up. Seeing how it seems that the creative staff can't stop from falling all over themselves in worshiping the Reeve flicks.

[FirestormTheNuclearMan]

Black Zero. The fully adult clone of Kon-El from an alternate reality. Disappeared at the end of the Hypertension story-arc in SUPERBOY. http://spider-bob.com/villains/dc/images/BlackZero02.jpg
This dude would pwn Superboy-Prime.

Also ,I'm with JCAll, on Nuclear Man. While the Quest for Peace is a bit cringe inducing. Luthor's hyped up Superman clone was quite the challenge for the Man of Steel. Love to see him brought into comics with a little tune up. Seeing how it seems that the creative staff can't stop from falling all over themselves in worshiping the Reeve flicks.


So is it fair to say that Black Zero could easily handle the Sinestro Corps, Larafreeze, and Atrocious?

Dr.Light Worked best as a infernal vile rapist that delighted, and bragged about his devilish deeds. Then Zatanna had to do some mindswipe on him. Love to see him making more appearnces, and driving Cheetah crazy.

Also please do mindswipe to garbage super villains such as SignalMan, Crazy Quilt, Kite Man, Mr.Polka Dot, etc.

[FirestormTheNuclearMan]

Trigon He was a minatory baron back in the day but later appearnces he's become a jobber.

[SJNeal]

Dr. Destiny.

And all of Wonder Woman's villains! :biggrin:

[The One and Only]

YUGA KHAN, Darksied's father.
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With Darksied ,and the rest of the New Gods out of the way at the moment. Along with the fact Yuga, when last seen was trapped in the Source Wall when the Death of the New Gods and Final Crisis was going on. He'd have dodged a bullet when everyone else in the New Gods was taking a hit. And with Starro down, and the Anti-Monitor still recovering from Blackest Night, the DCU could always use a new cosmic level bad guy. Who better than the guy loined the Dark Lord of Apokalips ?

[Joe Chill]

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[TonyStark1012]

I don't know to much about the history of DC, but Kid Karnevil is something else. If your idol is the joker and your so bad they kick you out of hell for being to evil that pretty much says this little son of a bitch is someone to watch out for. I'd love to see him go up against Tim Drake.

[Mr Prince]

Dr. Destiny
Queen Bee
Queen of Fables
Dr. Cyber
Giganta
Devastation
Prometheus
Dr. Polaris
Killer Frost
Triumph
Captain Nazi
Veronica Cale

[FirestormTheNuclearMan]

Glad to say Tattoeed Man will be making more appearnces in Titans:Villains for Hire.

[FirestormTheNuclearMan]

YUGA KHAN, Darksied's father.
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With Darksied ,and the rest of the New Gods out of the way at the moment. Along with the fact Yuga, when last seen was trapped in the Source Wall when the Death of the New Gods and Final Crisis was going on. He'd have dodged a bullet when everyone else in the New Gods was taking a hit. And with Starro down, and the Anti-Monitor still recovering from Blackest Night, the DCU could always use a new cosmic level bad guy. Who better than the guy loined the Dark Lord of Apokalips ?

Has it ever been shown how powerful he is?

[FirestormTheNuclearMan]

DC Dark Angel
Lord Malvolio

[Zero Hunter]

Black Hand



Hte same Black Hand that has been apearing almost nonstop for the last year in Blackest Night?

[Munkiman]

Clayface. I particularly love the version from B:TAS.

And I've always loved the idea of Star Sapphire. One of Green Lantern's greatest enemies is his girlfriend who occasionally turns evil with Lantern-like powers? Crazy.

[Knatty Dreadnok]

LOBO, handsdown! This cat had a billion body count well into his teens. Got kicked out of hell, banned from heaven now he's immortal. Killed f@cking Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and even put Darkseid in a headlock & punched him the face. Did I mention if the mood suits him, he'll eat your insides out, such is his name sake. His only redeeming quality is that he always keeps his word!

[JamesJesse]

I think all the Flash Rogues are underestimated and underwritten outside the Flash books. Mostly, they are written off as underachieving jokes because in the late 80s and early 90s, guys like Mark Waid treated them as such. (He even admits to this)

With Weather Wizard, Pied Piper, Heatwave, Dr. Alchemy, Abra Kadabra, The Top, Grodd, Captain Cold, Reverse Flash, even Computron and Rainbow Raider... you had guys that had mastered Teleportation/Mirror Dimensions, The Weather, Sound, Fire, Matter and Element manipulation, Magic, Centrifugal Force, Telekinenis, Immobilizing Kinetic Energy, Super Speed, Technology and Human Emotion.

With Trickster, Captain Boomerang and Mirror Master, you had guys who have conned the Devil himself and is a master of illusion, a man who can makes Batman's Batarang slinging look amateurish, and a man who can do virtually anything with mirrors.

A word about Captain Cold- Contrary to popular belief, he doesn't have an ice gun, he has a gun that freezes all kinetic energy at a molecular level. The cold is the effect, not the weapon. His "Cold Field" slows down anything that goes through it, including the Flash, or Bullets. As a character, he has a twisted code of honor for a low-life. He's brash and takes no crap.

[JamesJesse]

BLACK MANTA

He friggin' killed Aquaman's Kid DECADES AGO. He's as cold blooded as they come and doesn't get as much exposure. He SHOULD though.


MAJOR DISASTER

I think he could have been something more in the hands of a better writer. And they should have never made him a JLA member. His event manipulation powers are akin to a Scarlet Witch Hex effect. There was that nice story where he fought the Flash a few years back.

Actually all these villains:
Goldface, Cluemaster, Quakemaster, Bolt, Evil Star, Angle Man, Psycho Pirate, Girder, Double Down, Gentleman Ghost, Mr. Atom, Dr. Polaris, Silver Banshee, Sonar, Calendar Man, Black Mass, Multiman, Killer Frost, Slipknot, Multiplex, Copperhead, Rainbow Raider, Punch & Jewelee, Signal Man, Spellbinder, Mirage, Brainstorm, Catalyst, Chiller, Shockwave, Chronos, Firefist, Madmen, Carapax, White Dragon, just about anyone on this list of villains (http://www.rapsheet.co.uk/RapSheetMain/DCAZ.asp)...

They just need better writers handling them. Case in point, Catman is COOL now. Remember when he was a major joke just four or five years ago? Same with Calculator. Black Hand. Just to name a few.

[Ribbonz]

LOBO, handsdown! This cat had a billion body count well into his teens. Got kicked out of hell, banned from heaven now he's immortal. Killed f@cking Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and even put Darkseid in a headlock & punched him the face. Did I mention if the mood suits him, he'll eat your insides out, such is his name sake. His only redeeming quality is that he always keeps his word!

100% Agree! Lobo could take over the universe if he wanted to!

[zurenarrh]

LOBO, handsdown! This cat had a billion body count well into his teens. Got kicked out of hell, banned from heaven now he's immortal. Killed f@cking Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and even put Darkseid in a headlock & punched him the face. Did I mention if the mood suits him, he'll eat your insides out, such is his name sake. His only redeeming quality is that he always keeps his word!

LOL omg, i literally just did a spit take after reading this. When the hell did he do that to Darkseid? Hilarious. nick cannon.

[marshal99]

Lobo couldn't do much to Darkseid physically except hurt his own hand. However , he did sabotaged Darkseid's boomtube device and zapped him all over the universe.:wink:

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[daveageallen]

gorilla grodd should be alot more terrifying.

[Free-Man]

Hot-Streak.
I'd love to see him as a foe for Kid Flash.

[stelok]

Prometheus

[marshal99]

Prometheus

I think the thread said underrated , not overrated villain.

Metallo is underrated , the guy just keeps coming back stronger and more powerful each time he appears. With his ability to absorb any metal and rebuild himself , he's a big hitter.

Major Force is a evil version of captain Atom , one of the most powerful being in the DCU but like Atom , Force is being treated as a chump a lot of the times when he appears.

Grayven was all powerful when he first appeared as he decimated the remaining darkstars left in the DCU , the illegitimate son of Darkseid who possessed a less powerful version of the omega beam , he nearly beat kyle rayner into submission until Kyle and John stewart managed to trick him into the zeta beam. Since then sadly , Grayven has been treated as a joke and got beaten time and again and finally killed off in the death of the new gods.

[Joe Chill]

Killer Moth

[Violently Apathetic]

Rainbow Raider, obviously.

[thedanofsteel]

I always thought Brother Blood should be more widespread through the DCU, or at least satellite groups of his followers. The Kryptonite Man, and while he's not exactly unknown, there can never be to many Bizarro stories...

[FirestormTheNuclearMan]

Hot-Streak.
I'd love to see him as a foe for Kid Flash.

I have to agree. He has far to much firepower to get wasted, and unused.

Ebon The egotistical ahole witha superiority complex, and can manipulate shadow's. I could see him as a druglord.

[FirestormTheNuclearMan]

100% Agree! Lobo could take over the universe if he wanted to!

So could you say Lobo enjoy's the life in the fast lane of I don't care, and being reckless?

[Niel, Agent Of SHIELD]

Black Mask, Dr. Destiny, and Gentleman Ghost.

[Free-Man]

Killer Frost.
She's like the Joker but with superpowers. It's horrible when she holds all those people hostage and forces Firestorm to surrender, only to kill the hostages anyway and tell Jason she just wanted to see if she could force him to give in.

[FirestormTheNuclearMan]

BLACK MANTA

He friggin' killed Aquaman's Kid DECADES AGO. He's as cold blooded as they come and doesn't get as much exposure. He SHOULD though.


MAJOR DISASTER

I think he could have been something more in the hands of a better writer. And they should have never made him a JLA member. His event manipulation powers are akin to a Scarlet Witch Hex effect. There was that nice story where he fought the Flash a few years back.

Actually all these villains:
Goldface, Cluemaster, Quakemaster, Bolt, Evil Star, Angle Man, Psycho Pirate, Girder, Double Down, Gentleman Ghost, Mr. Atom, Dr. Polaris, Silver Banshee, Sonar, Calendar Man, Black Mass, Multiman, Killer Frost, Slipknot, Multiplex, Copperhead, Rainbow Raider, Punch & Jewelee, Signal Man, Spellbinder, Mirage, Brainstorm, Catalyst, Chiller, Shockwave, Chronos, Firefist, Madmen, Carapax, White Dragon, just about anyone on this list of villains (http://www.rapsheet.co.uk/RapSheetMain/DCAZ.asp)...

They just need better writers handling them. Case in point, Catman is COOL now. Remember when he was a major joke just four or five years ago? Same with Calculator. Black Hand. Just to name a few.

I'm pretty sure Black Manta not getting as much exposure as he does because Aquaman hasn't hit it big, and he's mainly a enemy of Aquaman. So if he was a enemy of Superman I think he would be getting better treatment.

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[Nite-Wing]

Major force is one
Then you could add Scarecrow to that list
Then you have to add psycho pirate

[FirestormTheNuclearMan]

Major force is one
Then you could add Scarecrow to that list
Then you have to add psycho pirate

Scarecrow got respect as a SC member in Blackest Night.

Is Psycho Pirate still dead?

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[doctormistermaster]

I am jumping on bored with Dr Destiny and Psycho Pirate. I love all of Batman's horror/monster villains.

[TJKernan]

Well, judging my my long-standing avatar, I too would like to see Dr. Destiny shown some love. The JLA story Destiny's Hand was one of my favorite of the post-JLI team era.

I miss the Count Vertigo from the Suicide Squad era, where Ostrander fleshed him out and had him dealing with his mental issues, and his interactions with Deadshot were great (Hello, Gail...use him!!!)

[FirestormTheNuclearMan]

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I think he could become a bigger minatory enemy of the DC Universe.

[The One and Only]

Unfortunatly Nero met his end at the hands of a fireing squad composed of Alpha Lanterns in Green Lantern Corps. And I can't even remember him becoming a Black Lantern. The other anti-Kyle, Effigy, is he still around, is due for a little more use.l

[FirestormTheNuclearMan]

Unfortunatly Nero met his end at the hands of a fireing squad composed of Alpha Lanterns in Green Lantern Corps. And I can't even remember him becoming a Black Lantern. The other anti-Kyle, Effigy, is he still around, is due for a little more use.l


So Effigy could do whatever Rayner could do?

The Mad Hatter Yes he's getting respect in The Secret Six but outside of that in regular Batman titles he's still being written as a chump as he was hoodwinked by Tweedledee and Tweedledum.

[The Beast Of Yucca Flats]

The Mad Hatter Yes he's getting respect in The Secret Six but outside of that in regular Batman titles he's still being written as a chump as he was hoodwinked by Tweedledee and Tweedledum.

Didn't he get even with them in the very same story?

[FirestormTheNuclearMan]

Didn't he get even with them in the very same story?

It was a different story as it took place in I think Detective Comics, or some other long running batman title.

[nj06]

Blackfire: She is more powerful than Starfire and she is Queen of the Tamaraneans, a race of powerful warriors. She should be seen as more of a cosmic threat instead of just being Starfire's evil sister.

Steppenwolf: I always felt he had a ton of potential. He was/is Darkseid's uncle and as such should be portrayed as a capable/cruel/cunning villain. Especially considering his access to Apokoliptan tech.

[The One and Only]

Blackfire will be making a return in R.E.B.E.L.S. in another month or two. So your wish is Tony Bedard's command nj06.:smile:

[FirestormTheNuclearMan]

I also strongly agree on Blackfire.

[The One and Only]

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I always thought Brother Blood should be more widespread through the DC, or at least sattellite groups of his followers.

Never was into the Titans that much. However, what you postulate ,considering that this man has given the Doom Patrol, Brotherhood of Evil, the Teen Titans, and the Legion of Super-Heroes trouble. One would think the heroes, and villains of the DCU would running into more of Blood's followers. Meanwhile, you have Kobra, and his followers popping up all over the place, and they're also into utilizing a form of "blood magic" in their attacks, as shown in Justice Society Vs. Kobra. Something that a guy named Brother Blood, whose religion has been around for over half a millenium, who have more of an understanding of. Also, considering both groups, and their leaders' violent ways, I'm surprised the two groups have yet to bump heads.

[doctormistermaster]

Unfortunatly Nero met his end at the hands of a fireing squad composed of Alpha Lanterns in Green Lantern Corps. And I can't even remember him becoming a Black Lantern. The other anti-Kyle, Effigy, is he still around, is due for a little more use.l

Effigy was effed up by Spectre.

[FirestormTheNuclearMan]

Black Manta Without hesitation he killed a baby in cold blood of his archenemy.
So much untapped potential it's a huge injustice.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/111740-153170-black-manta_large.JPG




Typhoon For a guy that cause huge disastor's he's hugely underrated, and underused. Portraying him as a guy that want's revenge on Firestorm. Come on the man can't see his kid's, wife left him he should be trying to make other's as miserable as him, and taking his rage out on the world.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/68/Typhoonbeetle.jpg

[doctormistermaster]

^I think Black Manta is coming back in a big way^

[nj06]

Blackfire will be making a return in R.E.B.E.L.S. in another month or two. So your wish is Tony Bedard's command nj06.:smile:

LOL, I just read this online too. I plan on picking up that issue and I hope that she is portrayed as a credible threat and not some push-over. It will interesting to see how she gained her powers back after Hawkman drained them from her.

[FirestormTheNuclearMan]

Impossible to deny Dark Angel. She bedeviled Donna Troy multiple times before the wicked lass was finally defeated. Even Hitler was shaking in his boot's when Dark Angel showed up.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/12/DarkAngelIntro.jpg

[nj06]

Impossible to deny Dark Angel. She bedeviled Donna Troy multiple times before the wicked lass was finally defeated. Even Hitler was shaking in his boot's when Dark Angel showed up.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/12/DarkAngelIntro.jpg

Good choice!

I feel that DC really needs to empower their super-villainesses, like Dark Angel, Blackfire, Cheetah, Dr. Cyber, etc.

I feel the only evil female that gets decent attention is Talia, and maybe Amanda Waller if she can even be considered evil.

[FirestormTheNuclearMan]

Good choice!

I feel that DC really needs to empower their super-villainesses, like Dark Angel, Blackfire, Cheetah, Dr. Cyber, etc.

I feel the only evil female that gets decent attention is Talia, and maybe Amanda Waller if she can even be considered evil.

I think that's because Talia is connected to one of DC's giants Batman.

You can add Circe to that list. What Batman character did she lose to? Seriously garbage. I could buy it if the victor is on Dr.Strange's power level, Green Lantern, etc.

Also does Metallo characterized as a thug for some other super villain, or a guy that want's to kill Superman? He would have more depth if Superman had a big failure leaving John furious.

[maniacthw]

Riddler has the potential to be a HUGE villain in the Batman stories. Unfortunately, I think Calendar Man was used as a more frightening, and intelligent character, throughout Long Halloween and Dark Victory.

[FirestormTheNuclearMan]

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/thumb/e/e6/MadHatter.PNG/200px-MadHatter.PNG

Outside of Secret Six he doesn't recieve the same justice. It's like writers just enjoy shitting on him. The one lunatic that could rival Joker in lunacy.

[FirestormTheNuclearMan]

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/11043/159178-150366-metallo_large.jpg

[Niel, Agent Of SHIELD]

Impossible to deny Dark Angel. She bedeviled Donna Troy multiple times before the wicked lass was finally defeated. Even Hitler was shaking in his boot's when Dark Angel showed up.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/12/DarkAngelIntro.jpg
Pose+the look on her face= Instant unintentional humor.

[Tactical Augmented Organism]

Galactic hitman codenamed "Iceman". Fought Lobo, killed his dolphins, kicked his ass and to avoid death he sold his soul to Neron. I don't think he ever returned in the DCU (could be wrong though).

[marshal99]

If you are including L.e.g.i.o.n villains , there's probably nobody more powerful than the alien parasite/shapeshifter who killed Lady Quark (did they ever explained how she came back ?) and nearly killed Captain Comet and has the powers of both Quark & Comet.

http://www.cosmicteams.com/legion/l-e-g-i-o-n/img/parasite.jpg

[Niel, Agent Of SHIELD]

If you are including L.e.g.i.o.n villains , there's probably nobody more powerful than the alien parasite/shapeshifter who killed Lady Quark (did they ever explained how she came back ?) and nearly killed Captain Comet and has the powers of both Quark & Comet.

http://www.cosmicteams.com/legion/l-e-g-i-o-n/img/parasite.jpg
The first panel makes it look like he just walked out of a GWAR concert, and there should be a speech bullble saying "DUUUUUUUUUDE! That concert was BITCHIN'! FIST BUMP!"

[FirestormTheNuclearMan]

Pose+the look on her face= Instant unintentional humor.


SO you are saying if she is suppose to be looking minatory she look's more comical?

[The One and Only]

Wasn't the parasitic alien that "killed"(those reality walls keep getting hit) Lady Quark and Captain Comet one of those involved in the Bloodlines 1993 DC Annual event ?BLOODLINES Info. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloodlines_(comics))
Or a least a member of that race ? On that note it would interesting to see them show up again.

[Niel, Agent Of SHIELD]

SO you are saying if she is suppose to be looking minatory she look's more comical?
It's probably just my immature mind, but about the look on her face, I didn't mean comical, it's more... orgasmic?

[FirestormTheNuclearMan]

It's probably just my immature mind, but about the look on her face, I didn't mean comical, it's more... orgasmic?

Now that you mention it yes.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/12859/282299-123395-the-terror-of-trigon_large.jpg


Don't have him just be a enemy of Teen Titans. Use him as a enemy of the Green Lantern Corps, Superman, Titans, JLA, Superman Family,etc.

[Niel, Agent Of SHIELD]

Now that you mention it yes.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/12859/282299-123395-the-terror-of-trigon_large.jpg


Don't have him just be a enemy of Teen Titans. Use him as a enemy of the Green Lantern Corps, Superman, Titans, JLA, Superman Family,etc.
Yes to this. YES TO TRIGON!

[FirestormTheNuclearMan]

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The Son's of Trigon. They are as infernal as their dad, and are far to deadly not to get used. Love to see Joker be dumb enough to make a snide comment to them then he would get owned.

[FirestormTheNuclearMan]

http://www.comicbookbin.com/images/dc/titans/blackfire.jpg






I think she could be a Sinestro Corps member.

[nj06]

http://www.comicbookbin.com/images/dc/titans/blackfire.jpg






I think she could be a Sinestro Corps member.

I think she would also make a great Red Lantern as well.

[FirestormTheNuclearMan]

I think she would also make a great Red Lantern as well.

Has She shown to be envious of her sister?

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/85986-88830-blackfire_large.jpg

[FirestormTheNuclearMan]

Lord Malvolio

[FirestormTheNuclearMan]

Grayven

http://www.supermansupersite.com/grayven1.jpg