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Lynda_Carter
03-05-2010, 03:50 PM
Gail will be missed, but really I am SUPER excited for Diana and this new chapter in her long History! So who do you think will be giving Diana her new voice???
I have wanted Rucka back for a long time, but I'm sure it's not him. I really can not think of who it could be:confused::confused::confused:
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4PointOh
03-05-2010, 03:52 PM
This is probably one of the most frightening things to consider.
Now that it's been announced that Gail is moving on, what writer would you like to see take over Wonder Woman after Gail leaves?
Morrison and Rucka are the big contenders, with reasons to disqualify either;They're both busy men.
Lynda_Carter
03-05-2010, 03:56 PM
Morrison and Rucka are the big contenders, with reasons to disqualify either;They're both busy men.
I would love for it to be Rucka, but as you said he is a busy man right now. I have never read anything of Morrison (that I can rember) So I can not comment on his work.
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WonderCubb
03-05-2010, 03:57 PM
My vote's for Marc Andreyko
Karl O'Neill
03-05-2010, 03:58 PM
Grant Morrison.
This could be splendid.
He apologised for not doing anything special with her in Final Crisis but did say some ideas came to him in a vision and he would love to express them in a wonder woman comic.
I would buy it.
Eliseu Gouveia
03-05-2010, 03:59 PM
Either Dwayne McDuffie or Warren Ellis in Nextwave mode.
Lynda_Carter
03-05-2010, 03:59 PM
My vote's for Marc Andreyko
I don't know his work eaither! lol:tongue::biggrin:
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SJNeal
03-05-2010, 04:01 PM
Though highly unlikely, I'd love to see Marc Andreyko have a shot. He's totally underrated, and I can't figure out why DC doesn't have him on more stuff, given their shallow writers pool.
Straczynski would be nice too, as would Busiek (assuming he wouldn't pull a Sword of Atlantis on Diana).
Fake Shemp
03-05-2010, 04:01 PM
Dwayne McDuffie is the first writer that comes to mind. His Diana in CoTE was great.
bfrank
03-05-2010, 04:03 PM
This is probably one of the most frightening things to consider.
Now that it's been announced that Gail is moving on, what writer would you like to see take over Wonder Woman after Gail leaves?
Chris Claremont bobby???? Srsly? I'm about to un friend you......
aegisbearer
03-05-2010, 04:04 PM
As there were two threads discussing the same topic, I merged them together, keeping the poll.
Free-Man
03-05-2010, 04:06 PM
I wouldn't be adverse to Dwayne giving her a go.
Morrison is my first choice though.
Karl O'Neill
03-05-2010, 04:06 PM
As there were two threads discussing the same topic, I merged them together, keeping the poll.
Thanks!
I think I saw about 30 of these threads tonight:biggrin:
InSovietRussia
03-05-2010, 04:08 PM
Alan Moore, written in the style of the more fantastical parts of Top Ten. (since Promethea's sorta been done and is a tad too philosophical for normal DC). Only it'll never happen. :frown:
Karl O'Neill
03-05-2010, 04:09 PM
Dwanye is not a bad choice even though I would 100% prefer Grant.
I loved this issue of Mcduffie's JLA and he wrote Diana pretty well.
http://www.dragonmancomics.com/dc/jla20.jpg
bfrank
03-05-2010, 04:09 PM
I'd love to see McDuffie, but I know it will never happen.....
Lynda_Carter
03-05-2010, 04:13 PM
Who messed up my post???:mad::mad::evilangry:
lariatofhestia
03-05-2010, 04:14 PM
I'm too scared to say Rucka after what he pulled on BN WW. :confused:
But then if DC is sensitive they would not put Rucka after Gail.
Morrison I am wanting to stay away and yet intrigued about what he might do.
I don't know. (wrings hands)
aegisbearer
03-05-2010, 04:14 PM
Who messed up my post???:mad::mad::evilangry:
LC, I'm sorry. Too many threads on the same topic. I just merged the two together.
Karl O'Neill
03-05-2010, 04:15 PM
I'd love to see McDuffie, but I know it will never happen.....
He was fired off JLA. Just a fact. I don't agree with it but that's what happened.
I can't see them offering him Wonder woman. Which is probably a shame as he is a very talented writer.
Karl O'Neill
03-05-2010, 04:18 PM
But then if DC is sensitive they would not put Rucka after Gail.
Sensitive? Or sensible?
"A freudian slip is when you mean one thing, but say your mother!"
:biggrin: Just kidding Pal.:smile:
scandalsavage
03-05-2010, 04:27 PM
My pick is Andreyko. But I am going to throw a wild card out there as well -- Jen Van Meter.
Karl O'Neill
03-05-2010, 04:29 PM
My pick is Andreyko. But I am going to throw a wild card out there as well -- Jen Van Meter.
Very wild.
Rucka's wife right? It says so in a Wonder woman GN I own.
A fantastic writer but simply not high profile enough.
I think it's funny how Grant's leading in the poll, but almost no one wants to admit voting for him.
Karl O'Neill
03-05-2010, 04:32 PM
Several people in the thread stating so far that Morrison would be their ideal pick.
aegisbearer
03-05-2010, 04:34 PM
I chose McDuffie simply because I liked his take on Diana in the JL:Crisis movie and when he wrote that JLA issue with the Flash and Queen Bee.
Mothmonsterman
03-05-2010, 04:35 PM
I can't see them offering him Wonder woman. Which is probably a shame as he is a very talented writer.
Aw, man.
He is very much not one of those.
InSovietRussia
03-05-2010, 04:36 PM
I think it's funny how Grant's leading in the poll, but almost no one wants to admit voting for him.
I'll admit it. Despite his stuff being very hit and miss (I feel that forcing anyone to read Final Crisis should be banned under the Geneva conventions.), his take on Superman, the X-Men, etc coupled with some work in 2000AD, and stuff like Invisibles or The Filth makes me think taking a chance on the guy is worth it. If nothing else, it'll certain be interesting.
Karl O'Neill
03-05-2010, 04:36 PM
Joe Kelly wrote some pretty neat Wonder Woman scenes back in his JLA days.
americanwonder
03-05-2010, 04:36 PM
Joss Whedon - hey, it could happen.
There are several in the poll that I think I could be happy with (Morrison, JMS, McDuffie, etc), and a couple I doubt I would enjoy. Still, here's hoping for more wonderful.
Several people in the thread stating so far that Morrison would be their ideal pick.
Yeah. Me and you.
americanwonder
03-05-2010, 04:38 PM
Joe Kelly wrote some pretty neat Wonder Woman scenes back in his JLA days.
I really enjoyed his JLA, even more than Morrison's and Waid's.
I'd also like to see more WW by Darwyn Cooke. Love me some New Frontier.
Lynda_Carter
03-05-2010, 04:40 PM
LC, I'm sorry. Too many threads on the same topic. I just merged the two together.
Too many??? you should merge all the threads "GAIL IS LEAVING! OH NO"
Jake V
03-05-2010, 04:41 PM
I think it's funny how Grant's leading in the poll, but almost no one wants to admit voting for him.
I voted for him. I freely admit it. He's probably the only name that can get the book out of this 20-30K range it seems to be stuck in. Him or Johns, but I don't think Johns has the opening in his schedule.
Karl O'Neill
03-05-2010, 04:42 PM
Morrison and Rucka are the big contenders, with reasons to disqualify either;They're both busy men.
Grant Morrison.
Grant Morrison.
Morrison is my first choice though.
Morrison I am wanting to stay away and yet intrigued about what he might do.
Yeah. Me and you.
And JAKE V above this post.
More than Me and you. I seen his name mentioned in other threads as well.
hellacre
03-05-2010, 04:42 PM
Mark Waid. I really would love to see what his Diana would be like cause I loved his JLA WW and I actually was fine with his KC hard warrior WW.
4PointOh
03-05-2010, 04:42 PM
No thanks to Grant Morrison. I went with Dwayne McDuffie.
More than Me and you. Me, you and one other person in those quotes actually stated that Morrison was their choice.
I seen his name mentioned in other threads as well.
Which has nothing to do with my point.
CaptainCanada
03-05-2010, 04:46 PM
Morrison's hit and miss for me, but I have a hard time seeing him being what the title needs right now. Diana desperately needs a writer willing to really give her status quo some focus and build up her rogues gallery, neither of which are Morrison's strong points; you hire Grant Morrison to write zany, weird stories full of unique creations that no one will ever use again (or if they do, will use badly). He's big on deconstruction, which can be fun, but Diana really needs a writer out to do some actual structural work.
Karl O'Neill
03-05-2010, 04:46 PM
No.
I see at least 6 other names.
Spoon!
Free-Man
03-05-2010, 04:47 PM
It won't happen, but the last issue of Milestone Forever ended with a shot of Static teaming up with WW. I'd love to see Dwayne write that story. I loved how he wrote her in JLA and Crisis on Two Earths.
No.
I see at least 6 other names.
Spoon!
I have no idea why you want to argue this point but (pay attention) AT THE TIME I MADE MY POST, only you, me and one other person stated him as their choice even though he was leading in the poll.
Honestly, I think this must be the most argumentative, nit-picky forum on the internet.
Karl O'Neill
03-05-2010, 04:49 PM
write zany, weird stories full of unique creations that no one will ever use again
Ha!
Whedon and Fractions X-men are built on the foundations of Grant's ideas.
Let's not forget his Metal men,Atom, and Great ten ideas.
I could list out stuff all night long like Lionel Richie.
[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite
03-05-2010, 04:49 PM
Aw, man.
He is very much not one of those.
He's not? :confused:
Artificial idiot
03-05-2010, 04:49 PM
I'll own up to voting for Morrison. I'm curious what he'd do given not only the rich, varied history of the character but also the mythology interwoven through it. I'm also going to admit... He's probably the only writer who'd make me feel compelled to pick up a WW solo book. :redface:
Karl O'Neill
03-05-2010, 04:50 PM
I have no idea why you want to argue this point but (pay attention) AT THE TIME I MADE MY POST, only you, me and one other person stated him as their choice even though he was leading in the poll.
Honestly, I think this must be the most argumentative, nit-picky forum on the internet.
Yet, You are the one being nit-picky. You shouldn't have challenged me. It was written before you started.:cool:
4thHorseman
03-05-2010, 04:51 PM
Morrison or Andreyko with Marc getting my vote. I loved what he did with Manhunter and I think he deserves more than the title he gots now.
Either Dwayne McDuffie or Warren Ellis in Nextwave mode.
Warren Ellis has said very clearly that he won't work for DC under their current management style. They want commitment, he likes to pick and choose what projects he can work on.
McDuffie...has had strains with DC in the past.
Tiberious
03-05-2010, 04:52 PM
UGH please not the same person who penned the mess of Batman RIP. I don't want to have to suffer through issue after issue of random red herrings to find out Diana's rival is subjective to the reader.
Black Atom
03-05-2010, 04:52 PM
Morrison's probably the only choice up there I'd get real excited about. Maybe JMS based on what he's done with Thor. What I really think the book needs is someone to come along and give the book the direction and character others can pick up and run with. Something new readers could pick up and go "So this is what Wonder Woman's about. Okay."
Karl O'Neill
03-05-2010, 04:54 PM
UGH please not the same person who penned the mess of Batman RIP. I don't want to have to suffer through issue after issue of random red herrings to find out Diana's rival is subjective to the reader.
It is one of the greatest Batman stories ever written.
Batman never had it so good.
Karl O'Neill
03-05-2010, 04:57 PM
Yeah, that made sense.
Grow up Tom.
Be an adult like me and everyone else here and have a decent discussion.
Join me Brother Tom.:smile:
FanboyStranger
03-05-2010, 04:58 PM
My choice would be Matt Wagner. It almost certainly won't be, but WW is the kind of book that Wagner would excel at with the mythological basis and symbolic potential. He's also great at respecting continuity while growing and enriching it as his work on Madame Xanadu shows.
I guess I'd choose Busiek from that list.
Grow up Tom.
Be an adult like me and everyone else here and have a decent discussion.
Join me Brother Tom.:smile:
Why does this bother you so much? I honestly want to know. My entire point was that people were voting for him but didn't want to admit it. A fact born out because at the time I posted only three people admitted it yet he had about ten votes. Why argue that incessantly?
Zagreus
03-05-2010, 05:11 PM
Just to chime in, I love Morrison's work, and think he would rock on WW.
4PointOh
03-05-2010, 05:13 PM
Why does this bother you so much? I honestly want to know. My entire point was that people were voting for him but didn't want to admit it. A fact born out because at the time I posted only three people admitted it yet he had about ten votes. Why argue that incessantly?
Hey Tom,
You do know that it's quite possible that the other people who voted for Grant Morrison might not necessarily be fans of Wonder Woman or could be from other CBR message boards, right? It's not certain that they're Wonder Woman posters who, for whatever reasons, don't want to admit that they voted for him.
Sometimes, when voters are made public, I often see, on this very board, screennames that I've never seen before, much less seen post on the WW boards.
Optic Rage!
03-05-2010, 05:13 PM
Morrison.
He's the only one here who i'd pay to read.
CaptainCanada
03-05-2010, 05:14 PM
Ha!
Whedon and Fractions X-men are built on the foundations of Grant's ideas.
Let's not forget his Metal men,Atom, and Great ten ideas.
You cut the part where I said "or not used well". There are always a few exceptions (with his X-Men, as you cite, but 99% of his changes were reversed as soon as he left, and while both Whedon and Fraction used some of his stuff, it'd be a stretch to call them "built on" his ideas; Whedon used Cassandra Nova for one arc, Fraction's hinted at bringing back another of his villains).
I stand by that he's not a guy who's demonstrated much interest in mythos-building. The X-Men run, for example, included a deliberate attempt to completely deconstruct the series' most significant antagonist and render him completely useless for future stories.
There's also, based on his past comments on the character and his other series of late, that he'd almost certainly fixate on the godawful Silver Age Wonder Woman and bring back a bunch of that crap.
dreyga2000
03-05-2010, 05:14 PM
Seriously Rucka not on the list... For shame.... I just pray for someone half decent... Nothing would devastate me more than having some "hack" ruin Wonder Woman for me... so many of favorite titles have suffered that fate already...
Jake V
03-05-2010, 05:18 PM
Hey Tom,
You do know that it's quite possible that the other people who voted for Grant Morrison might not necessarily be fans of Wonder Woman or could be from other CBR message boards, right? It's not certain that they're Wonder Woman posters who, for whatever reasons, don't want to admit that they voted for him.
Sometimes, when voters are made public, I often see, on this very board, screennames that I've never seen before, much less seen post on the WW boards.
What does that matter? What number of posts on the WW board is required before you're allowed to have an opinion?
Lynda_Carter
03-05-2010, 05:19 PM
I know I'm excited for Diana and this new chapter in her long history! I have not loved the book from the time Rucka left, there were a few issues I did like from Gail, but the bad came more than the good for me. I have to say I am truly happy with this news! [smile]
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4PointOh
03-05-2010, 05:22 PM
What does that matter? What number of posts on the WW board is required before you're allowed to have an opinion?
I think you misunderstood the point of my post, Jake.
I'm thrilled that so many people want Morrison to write Wonder Woman. But that's not what I'm questioning. What I'm questioning is Tom's assumption that there's some reason why people wouldn't want to admit they voted for Morrison, when it could simply be that the voters dropped in from other boards to cast their votes, and then left just as quickly. I do that myself sometimes on other CBR boards.
Anyone who is registered with CBR is more than welcome to vote. I've no problem at all with that.
Stanlos
03-05-2010, 05:22 PM
Gail will be missed, but really I am SUPER excited for Diana and this new chapter in her long History! So who do you think will be giving Diana her new voice???
I have wanted Rucka back for a long time, but I'm sure it's not him. I really can not think of who it could be:confused::confused::confused:
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Wow. I cannot vote. Between Kurt Busiek, Warren Ellis, JMS *and* McDuffie? Gaea my head explodes from the awesomeness
4PointOh
03-05-2010, 05:25 PM
Wow. I cannot vote. Between Kurt Busiek, Warren Ellis, JMS *and* McDuffie? Gaea my head explodes from the awesomeness
I chose McDuffie, but Busiek, Ellis, JMS, or Whedon would be tops on my list!
supergirls_pal
03-05-2010, 05:47 PM
Jodi Picoult :tongue:
*DUCKS*
But seriously, I voted for McDuffie because of how he depicted Wonder Woman in the recent CO2E movie. I am not clear on why DC abruptly dumped him from JLA, but I hope they give him the opportunity to write Wonder Woman.
Also, the new writer could be a complete dark horse and surprise everyone. How many people heard of Sterling Gates before he started writing Supergirl?
Hey Tom,
You do know that it's quite possible that the other people who voted for Grant Morrison might not necessarily be fans of Wonder Woman or could be from other CBR message boards, right? It's not certain that they're Wonder Woman posters who, for whatever reasons, don't want to admit that they voted for him.
Yes. And? I never claimed it was certain that they were "Wonder Woman posters," whatever that means.
Honest to god, why is such an innocuous statement being so nitpicked to death?
4PointOh
03-05-2010, 05:53 PM
Yes. And? I never claimed it was certain that they were "Wonder Woman posters," whatever that means.
Honest to god, why is such an innocuous statement being so nitpicked to death?
Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but the reason I addressed your point was because, once again, you presented something as fact that was actually opinion:
My entire point was that people were voting for him but didn't want to admit it. A fact born out because at the time I posted only three people admitted it yet he had about ten votes.
Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but the reason I addressed your point was because, once again, you presented something as fact that was actually opinion:
Oh, I see. In other words, you brought something from another thread over here. Well Bobby, since we're actually talking about that other thread, you're mistaken. In that instance, I clearly was presenting something as opinion and you seemed to think I was presenting it as fact.
In this instance, it is a fact, that at the time of my original TOTALLY HARMLESS comment, three people admitted to voting for her, but about ten people actually had.
Jesus Christ.
Corrina
03-05-2010, 06:01 PM
My pick is Andreyko. But I am going to throw a wild card out there as well -- Jen Van Meter.
Jen Van Meter is a wonderful writer. She should get more comics work in any case.
Atomcrush
03-05-2010, 06:08 PM
I'm not embarassed to admit I voted Morrison. The idea of him on WW intrigues me and scares me in equal parts. It would either be terrible, or pretty great. And there's no denying that it would double, triple, quadruple the current sales numbers. And that should result in good things for WW.
4PointOh
03-05-2010, 06:08 PM
Oh, I see. In other words, you brought something from another thread over here. Well Bobby, since we're actually talking about that other thread, you're mistaken. In that instance, I clearly was presenting something as opinion and you seemed to think I was presenting it as fact.
In this instance, it is a fact, that at the time of my original TOTALLY HARMLESS comment, three people admitted to voting for her, but about ten people actually had.
Jesus Christ.
You knew for a "fact" that those other people didn't want to admit who they voted for? Not that they might no longer be logged onto their computers and missed your request for transparency? Not that they voted and moved on to a another thread, another board, or another website? Not that they couldn't care less about posting, but just wanted to vote? But rather, that they were consciously, for whatever reasons, being evasive?
I just don't think you have enough information available to you to assert these things as fact. Or if you do, I wish you'd share it.
Atomcrush
03-05-2010, 06:10 PM
I would also like to add... that it astonishes me how people argue so fervently, in this very thread, about something so utterly inconsequential.
You knew for a "fact" that those other people didn't want to admit who they voted for? Not that they might no longer be logged onto their computers and missed your request for transparency? Not that they voted and moved on to a another thread, another board, or another website? Not that they couldn't care less about posting, but just wanted to vote? But rather, that they were consciously, for whatever reasons, being evasive?
I just don't think you have enough information available to you to assert these things as fact. Or if you do, I wish you'd share it.
Good God.
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Atomcrush
03-05-2010, 06:15 PM
Good God.
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Well... he has a point. I do sometimes participate in the polls without posting a reply. I'm sure others do to. I don't think it's some clandestine thing.
Well... he has a point. I do sometimes participate in the polls without posting a reply. I'm sure others do to. I don't think it's some clandestine thing.
I NEVER CLAIMED IT WAS. I made one toss-off comment about people more people voting about it than admitting it. That's it. That's what led to this endless parade of nitpicking. It's ridiculous.
Laughing Fangirl
03-05-2010, 07:13 PM
I've decided to use how this is handled as a barometer to see how things work at DC these days. If Grant Morrison or Geoff Johns get the book, I'll stop purchasing DC. It'd probably be easier to just make a clean break if that's the way the company is going to handle its books from now on.
Jake V
03-05-2010, 07:23 PM
I've decided to use how this is handled as a barometer to see how things work at DC these days. If Grant Morrison or Geoff Johns get the book, I'll stop purchasing DC. It'd probably be easier to just make a clean break if that's the way the company is going to handle its books from now on.
Right, because putting popular, high-selling writers on comics that have 25,000 readers and feature iconic characters is a bad way for a company to handle its books.
bfrank
03-05-2010, 07:29 PM
Right, because putting popular, high-selling writers on comics that have 25,000 readers and feature iconic characters is a bad way for a company to handle its books.
or, she could just not care for the writers......
Jake V
03-05-2010, 07:34 PM
or, she could just not care for the writers......
She could try saying so instead of saying the company is handling its comics wrong.
yonofui
03-05-2010, 07:35 PM
J.M. Straczynski
He raises the dead from the grave, so I think it would be a good option.
I think it's hard to sell a comic like this, but he knows very well how to mix mythology and superheroes.:biggrin:
Laughing Fangirl
03-05-2010, 07:41 PM
She could try saying so instead of saying the company is handling its comics wrong.
If either of them get the book, then DC are handling their comics wrong for me. Nothing to do with overall sales, just me. I'm buying about a third of the DC books I bought a few years ago. Everything I like seems to get canceled or gets handed off to a writer that changes everything to conform to a "Vision" for the company that I just don't like. If either of them gets the book I'll take a hint and stop dragging this out.
thwhtGuardian
03-05-2010, 07:49 PM
I like Straczynski. I loved his work on Thor, he really figured out how to balance the human and mythical aspects of the character in a way that had never before been seen. That kind of balancing act is, in my mind anyway, exactly what Wonder Woman needs. Gail's been doing good with adding mythology to the character so rather than ignore that I think it should be built upon, and J.M. Straczynski is the man to do just that.
Free-Man
03-05-2010, 07:57 PM
Christ, what is with the paranoia? Maybe Gail just didn't have the time to write it. She has two other books now and is supposedly working on something else as well.
Why is it that people are trying to frame it like it's some sort of conspiracy?
I voted for McDuffie. I liked his Diana in the JLA comic, and the new Justice League DTV.
Isn't it weird that McDuffie has so many votes, and yet, every single person who voted for him hasn't posted in the thread and admitted that they voted for him?
i voted for mcduffie. I liked his diana in the jla comic, and the new justice league dtv.
Isn't it weird that mcduffie has so many votes, and yet, every single person who voted for him hasn't posted in the thread and admitted that they voted for him?
Run!
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Gabe De Los Muertos
03-05-2010, 08:12 PM
Morrison.
He's the only one here who i'd pay to read.
This. You get Morrison on this book, you have a new reader.
I would also like to add... that it astonishes me how people argue so fervently, in this very thread, about something so utterly inconsequential.
At least some is reasonable.
BrianPGH1972
03-05-2010, 08:18 PM
This. You get Morrison on this book, you have a new reader.
Do you read the series currently?
If not, will you only read it if Grant Morrison comes on board, or will you give it a try either way?
Flâneur
03-05-2010, 08:20 PM
Morrison!
Maybe Whedon or JMS. While Andreyko would handle Diana brilliantly, I don't know that he should get the book until he's become more of a name.
Gabe De Los Muertos
03-05-2010, 08:29 PM
Do you read the series currently?
If not, will you only read it if Grant Morrison comes on board, or will you give it a try either way?
I have tried, during Rise of the Olympian but that story was really bad IMO. I will definitely buy it if Morrison takes over, but even if he doesn't, if response to the book is good I will try it.
Spiffy
03-05-2010, 08:32 PM
This is a "SHOULD" poll, right? Not a "WILL" poll. Because there's current a "WILL" poll (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=311408) in YABS. So this being a "SHOULD" differentiates it a bit.
BrianPGH1972
03-05-2010, 08:32 PM
I have tried, during Rise of the Olympian but that story was really bad IMO. I will definitely buy it if Morrison takes over, but even if he doesn't, if response to the book is good I will try it.
Which Wonder Woman runs have you enjoyed in the past? Any particular type of stories that you're most interested in seeing from the new creative team?
Constantine Drakon
03-05-2010, 08:33 PM
I'd prefer a return of Rucka, but Dwayne is a good choice.
If Morrison gets the job, I'll not only drop the book, I'll be insulted too. The man has so much on his plate right now there's no way he could possibly give the book the attention it deserves. If DC gives him the book, that means they don't care if it's the writer's third or fourth priority.
I'd prefer a return of Rucka, but Dwayne is a good choice.
If Morrison gets the job, I'll not only drop the book, I'll be insulted too. The man has so much on his plate right now there's no way he could possibly give the book the attention it deserves. If DC gives him the book, that means they don't care if it's the writer's third or fourth priority.
What else does he have on his plate besides Batman and Robin?
Spiffy
03-05-2010, 08:35 PM
If this is a "SHOULD" then I say either Kurt Busiek (who did a great WW in Trinity) or Mark Andreyko (who's Manhunter was great).
Of course "WILL" as I said earlier, is another thing entirely. I voted Morrison in that other thread in YABS. Because it seems pretty likely.
Free-Man
03-05-2010, 08:36 PM
What else does he have on his plate besides Batman and Robin?
Multiversity and Return of Bruce Wayne
Gabe De Los Muertos
03-05-2010, 08:38 PM
Which Wonder Woman runs have you enjoyed in the past? Any particular type of stories that you're most interested in seeing from the new creative team?
The only run I've really read was Rucka's. I would like for WW to get some defining stories- Superman has All-Star Superman, Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?, Death of. Batman has DKR, The Killing Joke, The Long Halloween, Hush, ect. Things a new reader can just immediately enjoy and great stories all around.
I'd prefer a return of Rucka, but Dwayne is a good choice.
If Morrison gets the job, I'll not only drop the book, I'll be insulted too. The man has so much on his plate right now there's no way he could possibly give the book the attention it deserves. If DC gives him the book, that means they don't care if it's the writer's third or fourth priority.
What's he doing? He has B & R, RoBW, and Joe the Barbarian. Most of his scripts are done pretty fast, we've been getting new B&R issues every two weeks. Bendis and Johns write far more than he does.
Multiversity and Return of Bruce Wayne
Oh, right. But they're both miniseries, one of which I imagine is completely scripted and done at this point (RoBW).
Gabe De Los Muertos
03-05-2010, 08:39 PM
Multiversity and Return of Bruce Wayne
Multiversity hasn't even had previews yet though. I'm am hoping it will come out by this year, but idk..
BrianPGH1972
03-05-2010, 08:46 PM
The only run I've really read was Rucka's. I would like for WW to get some defining stories- Things a new reader can just immediately enjoy and great stories all around.
I'm all for attracting new readers. My bigger concern though, is not alienating long-time readers. So hopefully whomever takes over the reins will be able to keep us old-timers happy while also bringing in a new audience. After all, we're the ones who remain after the trend-followers have wandered off to the next popular thing.
BrianPGH1972
03-05-2010, 08:49 PM
Most of his scripts are done pretty fast, we've been getting new B&R issues every two weeks.
I'm glad to hear that. Another of my concerns regarding the possibility of Grant Morrison taking over, is that we might be in for long waits between issues. I had heard that, on some of his past projects, the delays have been more of a fault of the artists and not Morrison, though, but I wasn't sure.
nigel33
03-05-2010, 09:06 PM
I bet its Will Pfeiffer.
My God.
thedanofsteel
03-05-2010, 09:30 PM
I would love to see how Jonathan Hickman writes Wonder Woman, but he's all Marvels for now. Maybe Pete Tomasi?
captainwonder
03-05-2010, 09:35 PM
I have no idea who to vote on that list so I'll make up my mind. BRING BACK GREG RUCKA!
Cayman
03-05-2010, 09:38 PM
Morrison or G. Willow Wilson.
JKCarrier
03-05-2010, 10:46 PM
I voted for Ellis. I have no idea how he would approach the character, but I can guarantee it would be something different. And probably hilarious.
DHacker615
03-05-2010, 11:00 PM
I am a total Whorrison and have been since DOOM PATROL.
gforguava
03-06-2010, 03:43 AM
Morrison for me.
I love Morrison, and loved what he had to say about WW in a post-Final Crisis interview he did. Sums up some of my feelings as well:
...an uneasy melange of girl power, bondage and disturbed sexuality that has never been adequately dealt with or fully processed out to my mind. I’ve always felt there was something oddly artificial about Wonder Woman, something not like a woman at all.
LINK (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/010928-Grant-Final-Crisis.html)
And I also tend to follow the logic of 'You should follow the creators, not the titles.' as often as possible. The only Wonder Woman solo I've read has been Gail's for that very reason.
Morlock50
03-06-2010, 03:59 AM
I voted for him. I freely admit it. He's probably the only name that can get the book out of this 20-30K range it seems to be stuck in. Him or Johns, but I don't think Johns has the opening in his schedule.
I agree. If sales are the issue with DC, these two are the best writers for WW.
Ned McDodd
03-06-2010, 04:05 AM
i would like to see Kurt Busiek or J.M. Straczynski on the Wonder Woman book, but Morrison should have some interesting ideas for the character too. So i'm looking forward to it.
Roy Stiller
03-06-2010, 07:51 AM
I'd prefer a Rucka option, but I voted for McDuffie.
And I'd rather have the book be canceled forever than have it handed to Morrison.
dshipp17
03-06-2010, 08:50 AM
The likely choice, based on recent rumors, would seem to be Grant Morrison, so I went with Grant and would hope he gets to explore Wonder Woman’s bondage past some, as he’d previously mentioned.
However, I always hold out caution for the unexpected, so I believe a good out of left field surprise writer might be Adam Hughes, as a previous poster mentioned.
Goeff Johns would seem to be an equally good speculation as Grant Morrison, except he seems to be very busy. Based on all the recent buzz and his seemingly down schedule at the moment, the most likely possibility would appear to be Grant Morrison, but a surprise possibility would appear to be Adam Hughes.
Based on his work on Hawkgirl and other titles, with an artist like David Finch (just took a look at some of his art, and I really like it enough for Wonder Woman), I believe Mark Andreyko would make an equally good choice, from my perspective, while given due deference to other fans‘ perspectives. :wink:
4PointOh
03-06-2010, 11:51 AM
I'd give Morrison a fair shot. I'd buy his book. But that doesn't negate the fact that his previous comments have made me highly suspicious of what he'd write.
Free-Man
03-06-2010, 11:54 AM
I'd give Morrison a fair shot. I'd buy his book. But that doesn't negate the fact that his previous comments have made me highly suspicious of what he'd write.
If nothing else, we'd get a sexy bondage romp.:wink:
Tiberious
03-06-2010, 12:49 PM
I would prefer DC stop publishing Wonder Woman completely rather than have Greg Rucka write another issue.
Morrison will be a hot mess that will bring on his following and when we, the loyal, don't like the 'new Diana' his crew will tell us that we don't 'get' his brilliance.
Free-Man
03-06-2010, 12:52 PM
Morrison will be a hot mess that will bring on his following and when we, the loyal, don't like the 'new Diana' his crew will tell us that we don't 'get' his brilliance.
Which is all things considered, better for the character than stopping publishing.
Karl O'Neill
03-06-2010, 01:04 PM
Not being published would be a bad move for wonder woman IMHO.
People should read Morrison's issues before pre-judging them. That comment he made about Wonder woman is an old one. He recently took an interest in her.
Hmm I really suspect of JMS, he came beginning of the year and aside from Earth One and some B&B is there any other book he's been linked with? hmm...
Free-Man
03-06-2010, 01:27 PM
Hmm I really suspect of JMS, he came beginning of the year and aside from Earth One and some B&B is there any other book he's been linked with? hmm...
He did the initial planning for the Red Circle. He did all the one-shots and created the modern versions of most of the characters. From what I understand, that was very time consuming, especially since the project was delayed so many times.
Mothmonsterman
03-06-2010, 01:49 PM
D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite;10702765']He's not? :confused:
McDuffie? Very much not.
Free-Man
03-06-2010, 01:54 PM
McDuffie? Very much not.
Eh. I loved his DCAU work and Milestone Forever.
Gabe De Los Muertos
03-06-2010, 02:56 PM
I would prefer DC stop publishing Wonder Woman completely rather than have Greg Rucka write another issue.
Morrison will be a hot mess that will bring on his following and when we, the loyal, don't like the 'new Diana' his crew will tell us that we don't 'get' his brilliance.
So you're already predicting a failure? That's optimistic.
Mothmonsterman
03-06-2010, 03:54 PM
Eh. I loved his DCAU work and Milestone Forever.
It's all but impossible to take anything away from an animated series. You're talking about a medium that's written by committee. You can hardly judge a single writer's ability by the whole of a sitcom, animated series, or any other genre with a large staff of writers contributing.
On top of that, I've always felt that comic fans tend to overrate the writing in comic-based cartoons. A cartoon is able to go back to basics, and we love seeing our favorite characters in motion, so it all works out well. But put the same words on a page and they can fall pretty flat with stories that come off as simplistic.
I knew from the instant McDuffie was announced as the new writer on Justice League that fans of JLU would be disappointed.
It's all but impossible to take anything away from an animated series. You're talking about a medium that's written by committee. You can hardly judge a single writer's ability by the whole of a sitcom, animated series, or any other genre with a large staff of writers contributing.
On top of that, I've always felt that comic fans tend to overrate the writing in comic-based cartoons. A cartoon is able to go back to basics, and we love seeing our favorite characters in motion, so it all works out well. But put the same words on a page and they can fall pretty flat with stories that come off as simplistic.
I knew from the instant McDuffie was announced as the new writer on Justice League that fans of JLU would be disappointed.
I actually hated Wonder Woman in the DCAU. I'm basing my support of McDuffie for this title on the strength of his characterization of her during his JLA run, as well as the "Crisis On Two Earths" DTV.
Free-Man
03-06-2010, 05:05 PM
His JLA run was admittedly mediocre. However, Icon is probably one of the best comics I've ever read. Static also ranks up there.
Mothmonsterman
03-06-2010, 06:50 PM
His JLA run was admittedly mediocre. However, Icon is probably one of the best comics I've ever read. Static also ranks up there.
You should read more comics.
Free-Man
03-06-2010, 06:56 PM
You should read more comics.
I have read quite a few, and Icon was excellent.
Laughing Fangirl
03-06-2010, 07:01 PM
It's all but impossible to take anything away from an animated series. You're talking about a medium that's written by committee. You can hardly judge a single writer's ability by the whole of a sitcom, animated series, or any other genre with a large staff of writers contributing.
On top of that, I've always felt that comic fans tend to overrate the writing in comic-based cartoons. A cartoon is able to go back to basics, and we love seeing our favorite characters in motion, so it all works out well. But put the same words on a page and they can fall pretty flat with stories that come off as simplistic.
I knew from the instant McDuffie was announced as the new writer on Justice League that fans of JLU would be disappointed.
To say that his run on the Justice League book was torpedoed by editorial interference doesn't BEGIN to do justice to how badly he got screwed over. He had a scene written with Roy visiting Kendra's grave, it got drawn, and then he was informed that DC had changed their minds, she wasn't dead, so instead of Roy's romance with Kendra ending because she died, McDuffie was expected to write a scene explaining she had ended the relationship off panel, and somehow work it into a scene where Roy is visiting a cemetery for no good reason. I've heard some ridiculous horror stories about what writers have to put up with, but that one takes the cake.
Gabe De Los Muertos
03-06-2010, 07:05 PM
You should read more comics.
You should learn that your opinion is not fact.
Mothmonsterman
03-06-2010, 07:43 PM
To say that his run on the Justice League book was torpedoed by editorial interference doesn't BEGIN to do justice to how badly he got screwed over.
Nor does it begin to justify the fundamentally poor writing on display throughout his entire run.
Comics are already plagued with an abundance of writers whose writing talent would be deemed sub-professional in nearly any other medium. It's just something to which you grow accustomed if you want to read comics. When someone like McDuffie comes along and works his way into writing jobs through business acumen more than anything else, the problem is only amplified.
cockrumfan
03-06-2010, 07:59 PM
Why is ostrander not up there? He blows up freaking planets! :)
AaronJ
03-06-2010, 08:13 PM
Definitely Grant Morrison. He has the ability, the imagination, and the name recognition. He also has the ability to put amazingly interesting stories, ones that can get better with each re-reading.
Assuming (and I think it's a fair assumption) that it won't be Alan Moore or Neil Gaiman, I honestly can't think of anyone else. No one else would have the sort of impact.
OK, maybe JMS. I guess he's a possibility.
[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite
03-07-2010, 09:54 AM
You should read more comics.
Have you read Milestone Forever? That was also pretty good.
Nor does it begin to justify the fundamentally poor writing on display throughout his entire run.
Comics are already plagued with an abundance of writers whose writing talent would be deemed sub-professional in nearly any other medium. It's just something to which you grow accustomed if you want to read comics. When someone like McDuffie comes along and works his way into writing jobs through business acumen more than anything else, the problem is only amplified.
McDuffie has written good comics. In fact, he started out as a comic writer, not a writer for animation.
You want to see how much damage editorial interference can cause? Read Cry for Justice. Yes, the writing was bad, but some of the plots in the book and the direction (or lack thereof) also reek heavily of stench of editorial.
Even better examples would be editorial vs. Jim Shooter on Leigion of Super-Heroes or editorial vs. Chuck Dixon.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18623
http://johnnygigawatt.com/?p=194
http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/06/16/chuck-dixon-i-did-not-quit/
Even people like Mark Waid and Grant Morrison has had complaints with this sort of thing:
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2009/04/28/mark-waid-slams-dan-didio-and-dc-comics/
http://johnnygigawatt.com/?p=182
This problem hasn't been limited to McDuffie.
In fact, stuff like Milestone Forever and Crisis on Two Earths are examples of what creators can put out when they don't have to deal with that crap.
Face it, DC has a problem.
Spiffy
03-07-2010, 02:00 PM
Okay, if we could vote for who on that list would be WORST for WW, I'd vote Ellis.
Sorry Ellis fans. It would be a nightmare fit. Even Claremont would be better.
The only choice which might be as bad would be Grayson (but it would be for very different reasons than why Ellis would be bad).
Bendis would suck in the long term (not that it would even happen, but we ARE spitballing here, right?), but might turn in a few individual great issues.
AaronJ
03-07-2010, 02:08 PM
Okay, if we could vote for who on that list would be WORST for WW, I'd vote Ellis.
Sorry Ellis fans. It would be a nightmare fit. Even Claremont would be better.
OK, it was a long time ago, so maybe I'm mis-remembering. But I seem to remember a JLA:Classified arc by Ellis where WW came off well.
Or did I dream that?
DarkKnghtJared
03-07-2010, 02:31 PM
OK, it was a long time ago, so maybe I'm mis-remembering. But I seem to remember a JLA:Classified arc by Ellis where WW came off well.
Or did I dream that?
I seem to remember this as well.
The only thing I can think of that would be a detriment for Ellis doing the book is that he's typically more of a pure "sci-fi" writer and doesn't really do much with the myth stuff that is a fairly big part of the WW mythos.
I don't think he's really likely either, because I believe he's said that DC's management style is one that prefers writers who are exclusive stuff, whereas Marvel allows him to do stuff as a free agent--which saddens me daily, because I bet he could do an amazing Batman story.
bulldog_milt
03-07-2010, 04:21 PM
You may need to add Gail to that list of whose runs were affected by editorial interference... I remember once her saying that it was her intent to have the whole ROTO and Warkiller as one single piece, but that it ended up being broken up and lengthened by editorial input... In essence you'd have seen ROTO, WarKiller, then a series of short story arcs (ala Powergirl).
Of course I could have misunderstood her statement...
Free-Man
03-07-2010, 04:24 PM
You may need to add Gail to that list of whose runs were affected by editorial interference... I remember once her saying that it was her intent to have the whole ROTO and Warkiller as one single piece, but that it ended up being broken up and lengthened by editorial input... In essence you'd have seen ROTO, WarKiller, then a series of short story arcs (ala Powergirl).
Of course I could have misunderstood her statement...
She also said that the Shield cameo was something asked of her by editors, but I doubt that was a big deal.
aegisbearer
03-07-2010, 04:25 PM
She also said that the Shield cameo was something asked of her by editors, but I doubt that was a big deal.
I also think that Genocide wasn't supposed to be Diana's reanimated corpse, either.
bulldog_milt
03-07-2010, 06:12 PM
I also think that Genocide wasn't supposed to be Diana's reanimated corpse, either.
SHe had said that the red-hair... was a - excuse the pun - red herring... So I think she planned it to be Diana - at least in part...
Stanlos
03-07-2010, 06:30 PM
My choice would be Matt Wagner. .
I just ran screaming from the room.
aegisbearer
03-07-2010, 06:36 PM
SHe had said that the red-hair... was a - excuse the pun - red herring... So I think she planned it to be Diana - at least in part...
Hmm. That rings a bell...
americanwonder
03-07-2010, 09:57 PM
I also think that Genocide wasn't supposed to be Diana's reanimated corpse, either.
For some reason, I got that impression as well.
bfrank
03-07-2010, 10:35 PM
Sorry Ellis fans. It would be a nightmare fit. Even Claremont would be better.
First let me state that I'm a Claremont stan....That being said, I can never take anything you say seriously, ever again.....ever.....
cockrumfan
03-07-2010, 11:10 PM
I just ran screaming from the room.
Why? Trinity? I think the strong work he's done with Madame Xanadu shows he can write a deep female character brilliantly, so if you didn't like the mini, I wouldn't dwell on it. He's got the chops and I don't see why he wouldn't be able to handle Diana in the present day with current continuity.
dumbstruck
03-08-2010, 05:54 AM
I just hope it's not Morrison. If he's the new writer, I think there's probably a good chance I'll end up dropping the book.
Gail's comments about the upcoming writer being perfect for the book, I have to wonder if perhaps it's a returning writer. Perez, or Rucka, or Jimenez.
Anyways, sad to see Gail go. Wonder Woman has been one of DC's most consistant books since she took over the title.
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