Who will lead the Avengers teams?

[Gabe De Los Muertos]

Who do you think will lead the three teams of Avengers? My picks:

Avengers: Iron Man. New movie out, Biggest character in the book.

New Avengers: Spider-man. Cage is already leading Thunderbolts, Bendis said he'd play a bigger role, and he is the gold standard when it comes to street-characters.

Secret Avengers- Steve Rogers. No reasons needed.

[Vivica Kang]

Who do you think will lead the three teams of Avengers? My picks:

Avengers: Iron Man. New movie out, Biggest character in the book.

New Avengers: Spider-man. Cage is already leading Thunderbolts, Bendis said he'd play a bigger role, and he is the gold standard when it comes to street-characters.

Secret Avengers- Steve Rogers. No reasons needed.

Avengers:Thor-He already is going to be acting like pre-madonna once Siege is over.

NA-Spider-Man (That is if "Coma Girl" doesn't get mad)

SA-Steve or whoever else is on that secret team.

[Shadey10]

Avengers: I somehow think Bucky is going to lead.

New Avengers: I see Cage leading.

Secret Avengers: It's obviously going to be Steve (Or maybe T'Challa if he's on the team).

[Gabe De Los Muertos]

I don't think Cage will lead, he's already leading Thunderbolts.

[XPac]

I'd give Bucky a shot at leading the Avengers. Iron Man could do it (and he does in some of the cartoons), but in general I don't think Iron Man wants to be the field leader of the team. Even when he makes the team, he usually picks someone else to do it.

If Bucky is going to be Captain America, he's going to have to start acting the part. And he did sort of act as the New Avengers field leader. Sort of.

Secret Avengers is a tough one. The I lead by example guy I'm assuming is either Steve, T'Challa, or maybe Nick Fury. If it's NOT Steve them I'm assuming Steve will lead the New Avengers (he just hasn't been teased). If it is Steve, then I think the NA might just have an informal leadership, like they frankly usually do. Cage can sort of be the leader, but they seemed just fine with deciding things as a group.

[pharoahe22]

The Avengers - I'd say that Iron Man is Probably going to be the leader of this team.

The New Avengers - Right now, based off of what we know of the team now, it could very well be Wolverine. Just look at what Steve Rogers says to Wolverine in Weapon X #11. He said that he makes the New Avengers stronger just by standing beside them... and that he helped to hold them together. They could also have an informal thing where they make group decisions...with everyone putting in their 2 cents.

The Secret Avengers - Steve Rogers (Nuff said). I still say that Rogers is going to be the Iron Patriot after Norman dies hahaha...with the energy shield built into the armor to boot. Or he'll be the new Nick Fury.

[John Zaleski]

The Avengers - I'd say that Iron Man is Probably going to be the leader of this team.

The New Avengers - Right now, based off of what we know of the team now, it could very well be Wolverine. Just look at what Steve Rogers says to Wolverine in Weapon X #11. He said that he makes the New Avengers stronger just by standing beside them... and that he helped to hold them together. They could also have an informal thing where they make group decisions...with everyone putting in their 2 cents.

The Secret Avengers - Steve Rogers (Nuff said). I still say that Rogers is going to be the Iron Patriot after Norman dies hahaha...with the energy shield built into the armor to boot. Or he'll be the new Nick Fury.

doubt wolverine. SNIKT THEM!

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Avengers - It's not going to be Bucky. He's not the leader type. It'll definitely be Iron Man. Marvel's been wanting to push Iron Man into the forefront of the Avengers for some time. Now's their chance.

New Avengers - Nobody that has been revealed so far looks to be the leader of the team outside of Luke Cage. But he's leading the Thunderbolts...

So unless someone better is revealed... Spider-Man? That would definitely conflict with his own book.



Secret Avengers - If Steve's on the team... Who do you think?

[Atom_basher]

you're crazy if you dont think cage will lead his team, after new avengers issues 59 and 60, its obvious they view cage as a leader and the glue that holds this team together.

[Gabe De Los Muertos]

you're crazy if you dont think cage will lead his team, after new avengers issues 59 and 60, its obvious they view cage as a leader and the glue that holds this team together.

I don't think Cage will, and Spider-man has been the most level-headed person on that team.

[pharoahe22]

I don't think Cage will, and Spider-man has been the most level-headed person on that team.

I wouldn't say that...if you look at the team's history, even when Cage was "leading", Wolverine was always the ones coming up with the plans

ex)
-Wolverine came up with the plan to discover Captain America's "death" status utilizing Dr. Strange's Abilities.
-it was Wolverine's plan to go to Japan and free Echo...and to go to the Silver Samurai's house as a hideout.
-Wolverine's the one who said the Elektra Skrull that was part of an Invasion and laid it all out for the team.
-Wolverine followed the skrulls lead, which led him to the Hood, which is how he tracked the Hood to his base and led the Avengers there.

I can't really recall any distinct examples of Spider-Man leading, other than the idea that he gave Iron Man during the Super-Adaptoid battle.

[celticguy]

A Hawkeye
NA Cage or Ms Marvel if she is there (wish it was spidy but he is doomed ot be a screw up)
SA Steve seems like a slam dunk

[Gabe De Los Muertos]

I wouldn't say that...if you look at the team's history, even when Cage was "leading", Wolverine was always the ones coming up with the plans

ex)
-Wolverine came up with the plan to discover Captain America's "death" status utilizing Dr. Strange's Abilities.
-it was Wolverine's plan to go to Japan and free Echo...and to go to the Silver Samurai's house as a hideout.
-Wolverine's the one who said the Elektra Skrull that was part of an Invasion and laid it all out for the team.
-Wolverine followed the skrulls lead, which led him to the Hood, which is how he tracked the Hood to his base and led the Avengers there.

I can't really recall any distinct examples of Spider-Man leading, other than the idea that he gave Iron Man during the Super-Adaptoid battle.

I don't see Wolverine leading the team.


A Hawkeye
NA Cage or Ms Marvel if she is there (wish it was spidy but he is doomed ot be a screw up)
SA Steve seems like a slam dunk

Hawkeye? Really?

[DeadXMan]

Avengers: Hawkeye ( only if it's Bullseye)
NA: The thing
SA: The Beast

[Gabe De Los Muertos]

Avengers: Hawkeye ( only if it's Bullseye)
NA: The thing
SA: The Beast

What makes you think Bullseye is still going to be an Avenger, much less think Beast is a leader?

[Billium 3]

Avengers- Most likely Tony, since he needs to be in the forefront with his movie coming, plus out of all of them, he most fits the bill for me.

New Avengers- I'd like to see Spider-Man take on the responsibility of leader, but knowing Bendis, he'll keep Luke as leader, unfortunately.

Secret Avengers- I'm thinking either Steve Rogers or Hank Pym.

[DeadXMan]

because it would be cool!

that's why.:tongue:

[AcesX1X]

beast is not going to lead anything.

steve rogers should be leading that secret avengers team.

luke cage is the one with the most leadership potential from the new avengers that have appeared. but it seems silly to have him lead new avengers and thunderbolts.

iron man should be the avengers leader.

[celticguy]

I don't see Wolverine leading the team.



Hawkeye? Really?


Why not he has led before. unless the plan is regressing him back to his pre WAC days when he was just a hot head.

[Gabe De Los Muertos]

Why not he has led before. unless the plan is regressing him back to his pre WAC days when he was just a hot head.

I don't see Clint leading Tony or Thor.

[Godlike13]

Hasn't Clint been leading, and look how that turned out for him. Not to good.

[Hrist]

I don't think it will be Tony. Even if he's been rebooted to pre-Civil War, no one else has, and he likes to be the second in command/power behind the throne better anyhow. That's the role he does best. Could be leader because of the movie, though.

I would say Clint except he's coming off an awful stint in New Avengers. After his "assassinate Osborn" stunt he shouldn't be leading for a while.

So I think it will be Bucky. Interviews seem to indicate that since Steve is back he will feel more pressure to do traditional Captain America things, like lead the Avengers.

I think New Avengers won't have an official leader.

Secret Avengers will be led by Steve, pretty much.

[BartonisHawkeye88]

A Hawkeye
NA Cage or Ms Marvel if she is there (wish it was spidy but he is doomed ot be a screw up)
SA Steve seems like a slam dunk
That would be the day, lol. Clint's ego would shoot through the roof if he actually got to lead the Eackos like he's always wanted. Doubt it'll happen, but I'd really love to see a modern WCA lead by Clint. That would be epic

Hawkeye
Wonderman
War Machine
Mockingbird
Bucky/Winter Soldier (After Steve resumes the CAP Mantle)
Black Widow/Ms Marvel, Arachne (needs more females)
Beast (Since the muties are already on the west coast atm, and he is awesome in combo with Simon)

Anyway, my Pick for the team leaders is probably:
Avengers-Iron Man
New Avengers-Cage
Secret Avengers- umm... Rocket Raccoon

[4sake]

As the rosters currently stand/what little he know about the books

NA - Cage or no ''one'' official leader
A - Iron Man & Clint/Hawkeye co lead or just Iron Man
SA - If Steve R. or T'Challa or & Nick Fury are in the book one of them will lead..
AA - Jim Hammond (with Tigra, Falcon, Vance Astrovik, Gauntlet) just a guest
YA - Patriot

[celticguy]

I don't see Clint leading Tony or Thor.


I could see them deferring the the person who kept the Avengers going while they were off dying and stuff.

They let Jan lead they will follow anyone once. Tony has followed Hawkeye before when he was in a redemption kind of mind.

[XPac]

Hasn't Clint been leading, and look how that turned out for him. Not to good.

He said he was leading... but honestly at no point in time did he actually lead the team.

[BartonisHawkeye88]

Hasn't Clint been leading, and look how that turned out for him. Not to good.

Not really. He never really lead the team. Read his tenure on WCA and Thunderbolts to see how awesome Clint is when he steps up in a leadership position

[celticguy]

Not really. He never really lead the team. Read his tenure on WCA and Thunderbolts to see how awesome Clint is when he steps up in a leadership position

He led the WCA and the NA. He probably won't get the nod but he is more than able.

[dcarner]

What makes you think Bullseye is still going to be an Avenger, much less think Beast is a leader?

Beast actually led the "new" defenders until it was cancelled at the start of secret wars (can't remember if it was SW I or II, I think it was SW II.) He actually did quite a good job. I've not heard alot about the secret avengers, but if he's on the team, and written right, he is more than capable of leading. . . .unless Wonder man is on there with him, and then forget it because then you have Laurel and Hardy.

[dcarner]

Not really. He never really lead the team. Read his tenure on WCA and Thunderbolts to see how awesome Clint is when he steps up in a leadership position

Clint leading the Thunderbolts was probably when I enjoyed Thunderbolts the most. I believe that was when Fabian Nicieza was writing the book.

[celticguy]

He said he was leading... but honestly at no point in time did he actually lead the team.

I disagree they are much more organized since he showed up. Previous to that they were just running from either Stark or Hood.

[Red Lotus]

If Bucky is going to be Captain America, he's going to have to start acting the part. And he did sort of act as the New Avengers field leader. Sort of.


This is what I dont get. People like Bucky as Cap, but yet they want marvel to try to make him as much like Steve was when he was Captain America as they can, but at the same time they dont want Steve to return to being Captain America yet.

[XPac]

I disagree they are much more organized since he showed up. Previous to that they were just running from either Stark or Hood.

Honestly, I think they were organized because of Bucky. Even in the field, it looked like he was unofficially calling the shots.

The one big call Clint made was completely ignored by the rest of the team.

I'm not knocking Clints potential as a leader. But his head simply wasnt' in the right place at the time.

[Hrist]

This is what I dont get. People like Bucky as Cap, but yet they want marvel to try to make him as much like Steve was when he was Captain America as they can, but at the same time they dont want Steve to return to being Captain America yet.

Because everyone who has led the Avengers has automatically turned into a Steve clone.

[Aziz Abbasi]

Avengers: Hank Pym

New Avengers: Bucky

Secret Avengers- Steve Rogers

[Kieran_Frost]

"If" I had my way...
TEAM LEADERS:

Avengers - Songbird [Melissa Gold]
Avengers Academy - Captain Marvel [Capt. Carol Danvers]
New Avengers - ???
Secret Avengers - T'Challa
S.H.I.E.L.D. - Steve Rogers
the Thunderbolts - Luke Cage


:smile:

[celticguy]

Honestly, I think they were organized because of Bucky. Even in the field, it looked like he was unofficially calling the shots.

The one big call Clint made was completely ignored by the rest of the team.

I'm not knocking Clints potential as a leader. But his head simply wasnt' in the right place at the time.

They took down Dormmy with Clint in charge that is the biggest win they got since the collective guy. I agree he is not always the most vocal in a fight if anyone is I would say wolverine is but without Clint I don't see the team staying together. But there is a difference between leader and field commander.

Clint at least has gone on TV to discredited Norman. It has not worked but at least he has done something.

[Red Lotus]

Because everyone who has led the Avengers has automatically turned into a Steve clone.

No its more like people think that since Steve was Captain America and he has always been seen as the leader of the Avengers means that Bucky as Captain America should be put into the leadership role just because he is Captain America. Its almost like people think the Captain America uniform itself makes you a leader.

Steve can put any costume on he wants and people will still follow him.

[Hrist]

No its more like people think that since Steve was Captain America and he has always been seen as the leader of the Avengers means that Bucky as Captain America should be put into the leadership role just because he is Captain America. Its almost like people think the Captain America uniform itself makes you a leader.

Steve can put any costume on he wants and people will still follow him.

I think that's the tension people want to explore. New Avengers has played on outsiders like Norman recognizing Bucky as the leader even though it's been Clint's team. Meanwhile, he's also been giving tactical orders almost without realizing it, despite turning leadership down because of his lack of experience. So, when I say I think there's a chance Bucky will be the leader, it's based off the stories they've been developing with him.

[Godlike13]

Avengers: Hank Pym

New Avengers: Bucky

Secret Avengers- Steve Rogers

:biggrin::biggrin:

[Vic Vega]

Avengers: Bucky-The other will defer to him because he is wearing the colors.

Secret Avengers: Whoever the " I lead by example" guy is. I am assuming its Steve Rogers but that's too obvious.

New Avengers: The Thing-If its a question of who's the most experienced hero its either Ben or Spider-Man (who might not see himself as a leader type).

[Godlike13]

Not really. He never really lead the team. Read his tenure on WCA and Thunderbolts to see how awesome Clint is when he steps up in a leadership position

Im not saying Clint can't lead, just currently the way he's being written and how his current stint as leader turned out it doesn't seem like he'd make the best leader right now. Also his tenure on WCA didn't really portray Clint as the best leader if ask me, didn't he kind of washout and get beat up by U.S. Agent.

[XPac]

They took down Dormmy with Clint in charge that is the biggest win they got since the collective guy. I agree he is not always the most vocal in a fight if anyone is I would say wolverine is but without Clint I don't see the team staying together. But there is a difference between leader and field commander.

Clint at least has gone on TV to discredited Norman. It has not worked but at least he has done something.

Clint was leader at the time... but again, I didn't see him actually leading them. Clint was pretty much just there, just like the rest were.

And honestly I think the team would have stayed together with or without Clint. The glue that held them together was Cage. That's why he was the unofficial leader even when no one knew it. There was no meeting or show of hands deciding Cage was the leader... he frankly didn't even lead that much. But he held the group together because he believed in their cause more than anyone except Cap.

Clint did go on TV alone, and he did go after Osborn alone. He was a maverick, not a team player. Which again, doesn't mean in theory he can't be a good leader... but we simply didn't see that side of him here. His head was in the wrong place at the time.

[SquidSquod]

For Secret Avengers, it's clear who will lead but it's still a mystery for the other 2 Avengers.

Avengers leader candidates:
1. Thor - The most powerful of all, but more of a loner.
2. Captain America - He wears the leader costume, but he's not quite "Him".
3. Iron Man - not trusted by teammates

New Avengers leader candidates:
1. Luke Cage - Aggressive bruiser but his record as leader is spotty
2. Ms Marvel - One of the more powerful members but record as leader is also spotty
3. Dr Strange - Wise, powerful but can he manage his teammates?

[Finganforn]

You got a good point with Bucky and IM, I didn't think of it before. If it was me I would probably have the avengers ask Thor since from all of them he will probably be the one with both experience and enough trust from his team mates (maybe, who knows, he would finally employ those thousand years of battle and command experience as an Avenger). That at the begining, then later something happens (not necessarily bad) then it changes to someone else. But I can bet my ass that Bendis wouldn't do that, it ain't his style. If you ask me, it will be Bucky to keep everything 'classic style'.

NA I am not sure, really. Imo there is a lot of potential in there for anyone in the group to lead. My bet though, is that they will have a nominal leader, but in practice it will work as before they decided to make Clint leader. You know 'now we are messing with magic, Strange will be the de facto leader, we are screwing with Normie, spidey call more shots than the leader', something along those lines.

[John Zaleski]

I'd prefer Bucky to lead the Avengers, since he is awesome. Also hawkeyee, but thats doubtfull to happen

NA: anyone besides luke cage would be nice

[rocky123]

I agree that choosing a leader will be a bit more interesting that usual. I think since he is on both teams Spidey should lead them both in order to have both teams on the same page....


Yeah I was just kidding :biggrin:

Seriously though I agree with Finganforn that Bucky will lead the main Avengers team. While Thor has him beat in experience and IM beat in trust factor right now, Thor has always struck me as a soldier. Point him at what needs a beating an he's on it. When he's had to lead Asgard he's done so reluctantly and, judging by Siege, pretty poorly.

As far as NA I just hope it's not Luke. I know he's one of Bendis' pets and Bendis gives him more than enough love to the point that I actually like him less now. I can see Ms Marvel being the leader with her military and main Avengers team experience. Again I agree with Finganforn as it seems that they will not have one leader in the true sense of the word.

[Plawsky]

Avengers:
I think Bucky will reluctantly take lead at first, just because he's Captain America - and that's what Cap does. He'll probably want Thor to do it though. I could also see them getting Clint to lead if Buck wants to pass it up (or, rather, if they let him pass it up).

New Avengers:
Kind of tough call here. Luke's busy leading the Thunderbolt's, Wolverine's got the X-Men to worry about as well as the other Avengers for now, Spidey would be a terrible leader, the Thing's new to the Avengers game, I can't see Danny leading or wanting to lead, and Jewel and Mockingbird...just no.

It really is between Ms. Marvel and Dr. Strange. Right now my vote goes to Carol, because she's probably the biggest "presence" on the team, and arguably the most powerful in the field. Strange has the age and some crazy magic skills, but I don't see him as a leader. It might be a dynamic where Strange is the "leader" around HQ and stuff while Carol is the field leader.

[celticguy]

Who I want

Avengers- Hawkeye
NA - Spiderman

Who I expect

Avengers Iron Man
NA Ms Marvel

[Jay Dogg]

Other than Secret Avengers, I still don't think there's going to be a clear cut leader. Like you suggested before with New Avengers, there's going to be someone calling the shots depending on the situation, but I don't think there'll be one, and I actually like it that way. Times are different, and sure it can still work, but the cast are on much different levels than they were back in the Busiek/Perez era and prior.

[Hrist]

I don't think being powerful has much to do with who will be leader. If anything, the opposite— you're always going to be finding ways for Thor to make himself useful, but for less powerful characters, leading gives them an additional niche. I mean, the five characters who have served as chairman for longest, off the top of my head, are Steve, Clint, Jan, Tony, and Black Widow. And of those, only Tony is really a big hitter.

I'd like to see Bucky and Carol lead the teams. I'd be more in favor of Clint if he didn't just fail so spectacularly over in New Avengers.

[Godlike13]

Secret Avengers i see Cap leading, obviously
Avenger is see it being more committee like
New Avengers, Cage is probably leading. That book basically sounds like Luke Cage and friends :cool:.

[celticguy]

Hawkeye? Really?


He has done it before and he can do it again.

[rocky123]

New Avengers, Cage is probably leading. That book basically sounds like Luke Cage and friends :cool:.

God I hope not :frown:

[CaptainOtter]

Avengers- I don' think we'll have "leader". More of a loose collection of responsibilities. Expect Tony to call alot of shots (cuz hes Tony, after all), and for Thor to lead some charges, but no single "leader".

NA- I kinda want to say Cage. Spidey can have a larger role, but I still dont see him as a leader type.

SA- Steve Rogers. No debate. he's the one bringing this team together after all. And cmon, its Steve Rogers!

[Monty_Cristo]

Avengers- I don' think we'll have "leader". More of a loose collection of responsibilities. Expect Tony to call alot of shots (cuz hes Tony, after all), and for Thor to lead some charges, but no single "leader".

NA- I kinda want to say Cage. Spidey can have a larger role, but I still dont see him as a leader type.

SA- Steve Rogers. No debate. he's the one bringing this team together after all. And cmon, its Steve Rogers!

could be Natasha.

[Avenger08]

Avengers: Iron Man im assuming. Or they'll have a rotating leadership (didnt they used to operate like that at one point?)

New: I personally see Ms. Marvel or Cage leading the team

Secret: Steve and technically Sharon Carter

Academy: Wasp

[ArmenianG]

Avengers- Iron man and bucky

Secret- steve rogers

academy- hank pym

NA-Luke Cage

[protonik]

These books have the wrong titles... New Avengers should be something like the Defenders or something, Secret should be Agents of Shield or something...

[Zagreus]

Do we know the full rosters for each of these teams at this point? If so, can someone post a link? I saw the secret avengers roster... but didn't see the rest. (Ironically, that's the one that I saw posted first... the "secret" one...)

[ingenuus]

When he's had to lead Asgard he's done so reluctantly and, judging by Siege, pretty poorly.

I'm not sure I follow what you're saying here

[Pedrocas]

These books have the wrong titles... New Avengers should be something like the Defenders or something, Secret should be Agents of Shield or something...

You slap the Avengers title on the books covers and its an instant sell-out. You name it Defenders and noone buys it.

[Red Lotus]

Avengers: Tony he fits best as leader. Bendis made him the leader of the New Avengers when Steve was on the team.

New: Luke Cage I can swear I read some thing about this being Luke's team. But I would rather them push Spider-man as the leader.

Secret: Steve.

[Kieran_Frost]

Avengers
LEADER: Hawkeye

New Avengers
LEADER: Ms. Marvel

Secret Avengers
LEADER: Black Widow

Thunderbolts
LEADER: Luke Cage

Avengers Academy
LEADER: Justice

[RatFace]

Avengers: Bucky, at least until Tony gets back up to speed on things since CW.

New Avengers: Ms. Marvel

Secret Avengers: Steve Rogers (goes without saying, but I'm saying it anyway):tongue:

Avengers Academy: Hank Pym

[Global Honored]

I'm thinking Tony and Thor play a dual leadership role for the A team. Steve is surely the boss for the Secret Squad and ... the New Avengers are told what to do by their perpetual enemy, the Hood.

[Exo]

Avengers: Ironman is in no position to lead right now. He's been devolved to his pre-extremis days, has lost a huge chunk of his recent memories and experience from leading an international task force and the Mighty Avengers. My vote goes to Bucky (guy wearing the Cap-costume needs to lead at some point) with Ironman as tactical advisor.

New Avengers: With Hawkeye off the team the position probably goes to the co-chief Ms. Marvel.

[Jay Dogg]

These books have the wrong titles... New Avengers should be something like the Defenders or something, Secret should be Agents of Shield or something...

I heard this argument 50 million times already.

[SquidSquod]

Avengers: Ironman is in no position to lead right now. He's been devolved to his pre-extremis days, has lost a huge chunk of his recent memories and experience from leading an international task force and the Mighty Avengers. My vote goes to Bucky (guy wearing the Cap-costume needs to lead at some point) with Ironman as tactical advisor.


Besides Tony Stark is like an overseer of the whole Avengers team. He has stake in New Avengers in the form of Avengers mansion and Secret Avengers in the form of War Machine facilities. He can't be the leader of any Avenger teams. He's that constant back office guy.

[EuphemismForSex]

New Avengers probably won't have a definite team leader like the other teams. Out of all of them, New Avengers seems to be the most "come and go" of the teams. I can see leadership being more shared instead of adhering to a solid hierarchy, maybe team leaders might even cycle through half the roster.

That said there are plenty of candidates for team leaders on this team alone. Luke Cage was leader of the NA before Clint (according to Clint), Ms. Marvel was Clint's second and command and has military experience, and Spider-Man and Wolverine are Spider-Man and Wolverine.

[ingenuus]

New Avengers probably won't have a definite team leader like the other teams. Out of all of them, New Avengers seems to be the most "come and go" of the teams. I can see leadership being more shared instead of adhering to a solid hierarchy, maybe team leaders might even cycle through half the roster.

I sort of felt the opposite...with burs comment about specialized teams in SA and the fact that most of the avengers have solo titles, I sort of felt that NA would be the steadiest roster.

[ImmortalIronFist]

Cap is going to be leading the Avengers

Cage is going to be leading the New Avengers

Steve is going to be leading the Secret Avengers

Pym is going to be running the Academy

[TonyStark1012]

I'm really going to be pissed if Iron Man is not the leader of the Avengers. Bucky is having trouble living up to Cap's legacy and then to put the leadership of the Avengers on him too!! He's more of a loner now anyway and has no experience leading. Iron Man has more experience leading teams then any other member on there and if they make it Thor it's all gone to hell!

[Kieran_Frost]

Cap is going to be leading the Avengers

Cage is going to be leading the New Avengers

Steve is going to be leading the Secret Avengers

Pym is going to be running the Academy
In the "Year of Women"???
:confused:

[Hrist]

I'm really going to be pissed if Iron Man is not the leader of the Avengers. Bucky is having trouble living up to Cap's legacy and then to put the leadership of the Avengers on him too!! He's more of a loner now anyway and has no experience leading. Iron Man has more experience leading teams then any other member on there and if they make it Thor it's all gone to hell!

Bucky isn't a loner and does have experience leading. And Clint probably has more experience than Tony leading teams.

I wouldn't be upset or anything if they put Tony in charge, but I think he's most comfortable in the loyal opposition power-behind-the-throne role than as the out and out field leader.

[SquidSquod]

I'm really going to be pissed if Iron Man is not the leader of the Avengers. Bucky is having trouble living up to Cap's legacy and then to put the leadership of the Avengers on him too!! He's more of a loner now anyway and has no experience leading. Iron Man has more experience leading teams then any other member on there and if they make it Thor it's all gone to hell!

Iron Man should be the overseer of most Avengers team or at least have eyes & ears on all teams instead of a standing statically as a leader. What he does could be the most powerful role of all.



I wouldn't be upset or anything if they put Tony in charge, but I think he's most comfortable in the loyal opposition power-behind-the-throne role than as the out and out field leader.


This is what I'm talking about. Tony might be the coordinator of all the Avengers team with power behind the curtain.

[Kieran_Frost]

Iron Man should be the overseer of most Avengers team or at least have eyes & ears on all teams instead of a standing statically as a leader. What he does could be the most powerful role of all.

This is what I'm talking about. Tony might be the coordinator of all the Avengers team with power behind the curtain.
I don't see why Tony should be given that much power? Considering he pretty much tried to do that during Civil War onwards (till the end of Secret Invasion); we've "been there, done that" AND we know Tony gets a bit "over controlling" when given that much power. Tony has certainly suffered enough, and it's high time he's back on the Avengers. But forgiving someone, and allowing someone back with the keys to the castle, are two TOTALLY different things.

I think a non-"Big Three" should lead the main Avengers team. And Hawkeye (when Hawkeye) is a great leader.
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[Jason Abbadon]

Bucky isn't a loner and does have experience leading. And Clint probably has more experience than Tony leading teams.

I wouldn't be upset or anything if they put Tony in charge, but I think he's most comfortable in the loyal opposition power-behind-the-throne role than as the out and out field leader.
I think- under normal circumstances- that Tony would be a great leader of a team.
But what with his personal life devastated, his own recent past a huge blackout and most of the "heroes" hating his guts for stuff he cant even remember...
It's not the right time, really.

I DO see some loudmouth "heroes" getting a well deserved beatdown from Iron Man when they get in his faceplate though!

[SquidSquod]

I don't see why Tony should be given that much power? Considering he pretty much tried to do that during Civil War onwards (till the end of Secret Invasion); we've "been there, done that." Tony have certainly suffered enough, and it's high time he's back on the Avengers. But forgiving someone, and allowing someone back with the same responsibilities and power are two TOTALLY different things.

I think a non-"Big Three" should lead the main Avengers team. And Hawkeye (when Hawkeye) is a great leader.
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Well Tony has to do it inconspicuously without anyone really noticing or he shouldn't be too aggressive this time around. Either way should be sufficient. He has the tools for greater coordination & integration among the Avengers. Why not using it for positive effect.

[SquidSquod]

I think a non-"Big Three" should lead the main Avengers team. And Hawkeye (when Hawkeye) is a great leader.
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Hawkeye role is a specialist. Sniper or recon ops. His tactical approach are unquestioned, but his strategic ability is lacking when he barges in alone into Osborn's lair. Bucky hands down beat him on this area even if both guys are essentially scouts. Clint is way more skilled, but Bucky is more level headed shown in Dark Reign New Avengers. Hawkeye, despite his long stint in the Avengers, is not a better leader than Bucky.

[Kieran_Frost]

Hawkeye role is a specialist. Sniper or recon ops. His tactical approach are unquestioned, but his strategic ability is lacking when he barges in alone into Osborn's lair. Bucky hands down beat him on this area even if both guys are essentially scouts. Clint is way more skilled, but Bucky is more level headed shown in Dark Reign New Avengers. Hawkeye, despite his long stint in the Avengers, is not a better leader than Bucky.
I don't fault the tactical logic... BUT... being a leader is so much more than tactics, or skills. It's being someone the others can look up to, being someone the others will trust, and respect and follow. Being someone the others feel comfortable with. The leader isn't always the "best" at anything, but he is the best leader. If that makes sense?
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Well Tony has to do it inconspicuously without anyone really noticing or he shouldn't be too aggressive this time around. Either way should be sufficient. He has the tools for greater coordination & integration among the Avengers. Why not using it for positive effect.
I really don't want to see Tony with power right now. And I ESPECIALLY don't want him to get some though "subtle" ways that are "inconspicuous". That screams intentional deception to me.

[SquidSquod]

I don't fault the tactical logic... BUT... being a leader is so much more than tactics, or skills. It's being someone the others can look up to, being someone the others will trust, and respect and follow. Being someone the others feel comfortable with. The leader isn't always the "best" at anything, but he is the best leader. If that makes sense?
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Well if there are better alternatives for people to follow like Bucky (based on strategic knowledge) or Thor (based on sheer power respect) why choose him. Besides, Hawkeye skill as the sniper or role as a flanker is too invaluable to leave him in the center.



I really don't want to see Tony with power right now. And I ESPECIALLY don't want him to get some though "subtle" ways that are "inconspicuous". That screams intentional deception to me.

No control or any intention of taking power. I think the current Tony has it enough with control. But Tony still has the tools for the Avengers to become SHIELD or external power proof. The alternative to Tony is to employ Nick Fury, Black Panther, Namor, Zemo or Dr Doom in the Avengers.

[Kieran_Frost]

Well if there are better alternatives for people to follow like Bucky (based on strategic knowledge) or Thor (based on sheer power respect) why choose him. Besides, Hawkeye skill as the sniper or role as a flanker is too invaluable to leave him in the center.
Bucky isn't charismatic or someone others "gravitate towards." As I said it's NOT about level of skill or power. The most powerful person in the room is often NOT the best leader. Because their way of handling things is generally based on the logic "I'm so powerful, therefore I can take bigger risks." The others can't trust Tony implicitly (another thing a leader needs). Spiderwoman has little leadership experience and none of them know Noh-var. Clint has great leadership training, the others trust him and therefore he is someone the others can gravitate towards. I think if any of the Big Three try to lead, it will become a power struggle. That won't happen with Clint.

But hey, we will have to wait and see, right? It doesn't really matter at the end of the day. I think one of the teams NEEDS to be lead by a woman though, considering it's the "Year of Women."
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[SquidSquod]

Bucky isn't charismatic or someone others "gravitate towards." As I said it's NOT about level of skill or power. The most powerful person in the room is often NOT the best leader. Because their way of handling things is generally based on the logic "I'm so powerful, therefore I can take bigger risks." The others can't trust Tony implicitly (another thing a leader needs). Spiderwoman has little leadership experience and none of them know Noh-var. Clint has great leadership training, the others trust him and therefore he is someone the others can gravitate towards. I think if any of the Big Three try to lead, it will become a power struggle. That won't happen with Clint.

But hey, we will have to wait and see, right? It doesn't really matter at the end of the day. I think one of the teams NEEDS to be lead by a woman though, considering it's the "Year of Women."
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Clint has strikes on him being a range specialist or sniper. What would a sniper do in a battle? He'd position himself far from the main body. That instantly stop him from being an ideal leader. Being a sniper also needs self concentration and that concentration will not come when he has to mind the rest of the team. While wearing the customary leader costume, Bucky will grow to become a leader. He doesn't need to be an assassin this time unlike Hawkeye where people expect him to be a ranger.

Perhaps Ms Marvel can be a leader. He has the power and the proper knowledge to become a leader.

[Kieran_Frost]

Clint has strikes on him being a range specialist or sniper. What would a sniper do in a battle? He'd position himself far from the main body. That instantly stop him from being an ideal leader.
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HUH? Sorry, what? What does sniper or range have to do with leading a team? How is "what weapon you use" a reflection on whether a team will trust you, or follow you, or obey you?


Being a sniper also needs self concentration and that concentration will not come when he has to mind the rest of the team. While wearing the customary leader costume, Bucky will grow to become a leader. He doesn't need to be an assassin this time unlike Hawkeye where people expect him to be a ranger.
Clint's never actually killed someone (though he has tried, at least twice). He's used a bow for decades and manages to not kill people. How is he an assassin?


Perhaps Ms Marvel can be a leader. He has the power and the proper knowledge to become a leader.
Do you mean Ms. Marvel in New Avengers or Captain Marvel in Avengers?

[SquidSquod]

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HUH? Sorry, what? What does sniper or range have to do with leading a team? How is "what weapon you use" a reflection on whether a team will trust you, or follow you, or obey you?

Clint's never actually killed someone (though he has tried, at least twice). He's used a bow for decades and manages to not kill people. How is he an assassin?


Unless you want Hawkeye to become un-Hawkeye like his time during the Dark Reign, being someone who uses a range weapon seldom stands in the center of the pack. Like we haven't seen Hawkeye "management style" during the NA with disastrous result, I think Bucky has more on what it takes to be a leader - Leader doesn't have to be charismatic; he only needs the job to get done.

An assassin in here is only the general term of someone who incapacitates his opponents.



Do you mean Ms. Marvel in New Avengers or Captain Marvel in Avengers?

Ms Marvel of course. Noh-Varr is a green newb.

[Kieran_Frost]

Unless you want Hawkeye to become un-Hawkeye like his time during the Dark Reign, being someone who uses a range weapon seldom stands in the center of the pack.
But Hawkeye lead the West Coast Avengers and the Thunderbolts. I didn't notice his "ranged weapon" causing problems there. He also is a skilled fighter, and often uses hand-to-hand combat; putting him in the forefront. I still don't see how anyone's leadership is better or worse based on what weapon they use?
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Like we haven't seen Hawkeye "management style" during the NA with disastrous result, I think Bucky has more on what it takes to be a leader - Leader doesn't have to be charismatic; he only needs the job to get done.
Leaders need to do MORE than "just get the job done." Leaders need to see the big picture, allow the loss of a battle to win the war. You can't just put in charge whoever "will get the job done." Because there are many ways to "get a job done" but often there is the BEST way. And a leader needs to find that. Why does Bucky have more of what it takes to be a leader than Clint, who's lead two (three?) very successful teams already.
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An assassin in here is only the general term of someone who incapacitates his opponents.
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So every Avenger is an assassin?

[marvell2100]

I'm really going to be pissed if Iron Man is not the leader of the Avengers. Bucky is having trouble living up to Cap's legacy and then to put the leadership of the Avengers on him too!! He's more of a loner now anyway and has no experience leading. Iron Man has more experience leading teams then any other member on there and if they make it Thor it's all gone to hell!

I'd like to see Tony leading the team as well but I wonder how much experience he has lost since purging his brain. He's a fast learner for sure but I think that they will gradually bring him along in the team, letting him get his feet wet. I don't think they will hand over leadership to him right away but allow him to gradually move into that role.

[SquidSquod]

But Hawkeye lead the West Coast Avengers and the Thunderbolts. I didn't notice his "ranged weapon" causing problems there. He also is a skilled fighter, and often uses hand-to-hand combat; putting him in the forefront. I still don't see how anyone's leadership is better or worse based on what weapon they use?
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He was leading C and D-listers on those two teams. There were no Thor, no Tony Stark. I don't think Marvel would designate these A-listers as morons in terms of tactics-strategy and wouldn't easily take a back seat over Clint Barton. Especially Tony because it was Tony who brought Clint to the Avengers. With Bucky Cap it's a little bit different because he wears the Cap suit and he's like Steve-lite to them. Steve picked Bucky as his successor not anyone else so Steve must understand Bucky abilities mirroring his own.




Leaders need to do MORE than "just get the job done." Leaders need to see the big picture, allow the loss of a battle to win the war. You can't just put in charge whoever "will get the job done." Because there are many ways to "get a job done" but often there is the BEST way. And a leader needs to find that. Why does Bucky have more of what it takes to be a leader than Clint, who's lead two (three?) very successful teams already.
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If you want a strategist (long term goal instead of short term goal) to lead, why don't you pick Tony Stark?

Bucky is more emotionally stable than Clint. Remember the charge the Stark Tower solo during Dark Reign? That's Clint doing, thinking he can do it alone. That alone says that Hawkeye was not commander material. Bucky was the strategist on that team, spending most of the time in front of the computer.

[theyallfalldown]

Avengers well i still dont think we know the entire roster for this team-5 seems like a small team to be the worlds greatest heroes in comparison to the rest of the teams who all have more(9 in secret avengers case and about the same number in new avengers) jarvis doesnt count as an official mission undergoing avenger.


im assuming cap, i can see the team deferring to cap, he is a symbol, not just the man in the suit. i would rather not have tony lead the team i dont want him to have that much power, i sill dont like him all that much.

new avengers i think carol could lead easily. she has lead before and has the strategic mentality needed to be the leader, and cage will be busy leading the thunderbolts i think. dont like the idea of spidey leading the team, i dont like him as a leader.

secret avengers, undoubtedly will be steve, no other leader should be used.

[ingenuus]

If you want a strategist (long term goal instead of short term goal) to lead, why don't you pick Tony Stark?

I honestly wonder how him potentially second guessing the decisions he made (that he doesn't remember) after having the perspective of seeing their outcomes will effect him in actually wanting to make big decisions for a little while. I could see him not wanting to lead anything for a little while.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Avengers - Tony Stark. Marvel's pushing him as THE current Avengers leader, and so it will be done. Either that, or Clint (But Tony would do most of the leading anyway, see Ms. Marvel and Mighty Avengers)

New Avengers - This one is difficult, but I'm leaning towards Luke Cage. If not, then Ms. Marvel.


Secret Avengers - Steve Rogers.

[Hrist]

Bucky isn't charismatic or someone others "gravitate towards." As I said it's NOT about level of skill or power. The most powerful person in the room is often NOT the best leader. Because their way of handling things is generally based on the logic "I'm so powerful, therefore I can take bigger risks." The others can't trust Tony implicitly (another thing a leader needs). Spiderwoman has little leadership experience and none of them know Noh-var. Clint has great leadership training, the others trust him and therefore he is someone the others can gravitate towards. I think if any of the Big Three try to lead, it will become a power struggle. That won't happen with Clint.

Actually, a recurring theme in New Avengers has been people looking to Bucky just because of the costume he's wearing. In the Dark Avengers crossover Free Comic Book Day special, Bucky's the one staring Osborn down, and I think Osborn's referred to the NA as "Captain America's Avengers" instead of "Clint Barton's Avengers" or "Luke Cage's Avengers." And he is the one who winds up giving most of the field commands, anyway. He refused to lead the New Avengers because he didn't have experience being on the Avengers, but it's possible now he might be over that. But as long as he wears the Captain America costume, people are going to look to him as a leadership possibility, whether he wants them to or not.

Not to say Clint doesn't have more experience or isn't a better leader. I think at this point he still is, the problem with Clint though is that he just monumentally screwed up leadership of the New Avengers by going off and trying to assassinate Osborn on his own, which shows how out-of-sync he was with the rest of the team. Now, Clint was pretty much suffering from PTSD or some breakdown that was making him act fairly unlike himself, and he seems to have realized that he was wrong to do so, but I can see people being leery of him leading for a while as he gets his crap together.

[rocky123]

I'm not sure I follow what you're saying here

Just that when he's had to lead (such as times when he's had to lead Asgard in Odin's place) he's tended to do so reluctantly. And with the sad state that Asgard is currently in he didn't do such a great job.

[4sake]

As the rosters currently stand

A-Vengers

Leader : Iron Man
2nd in command : Clint Barton

New Avengers

Leader : Cage
2nd in command : Warbird/Ms.Marvel

Secret Avengers

Leader : Steve R.
2nd in command : War Machine

[ImmortalIronFist]

Just that when he's had to lead (such as times when he's had to lead Asgard in Odin's place) he's tended to do so reluctantly. And with the sad state that Asgard is currently in he didn't do such a great job.

He hasn't been leading Asgard for a while, the sad state it's in happened under Balder.

[ingenuus]

He hasn't been leading Asgard for a while, the sad state it's in happened under Balder.

Exactly...hence my confusion with the original comment. Thor would not have taken them to latveria imo

[the Hornet]

I would like Avengers to be without a leader but if there is one I want Clint. Clint has never led the team in a book that did not have West Coast or New in it so its about time. In the past it would have been weird to have him lead with Cap in the team but that only applies for Steve Rogers who is just the best leader EVER! Now it can work out.

New Avengers should be led by Ms Marvel, also about time. Luke has a kid and the T-Bolts to worry about.

But is it true that Steve is going to be some sort of Shield head and the new teams are sort of managed by Shield meaning Steve is "sort" of in charge of all 3 anyway?

[solarstorm]

Avengers:

I think Iron Man will be the overall leader that shapes the overall decisions of the group BUT I think Bucky will be the field leader. Tony calls the big shots back when they're in Avengers tower, but when their in the middle of a fight, Cap takes precedence.

Iron Man is 1) popular/has a movie 2) Maria Hill will be the go-between for the Avengers and the gov. and she's an IM character now 3) His time as SHIELD leader sets him up well for command 4) He's a founding Avenger

New Avengers:

Cage. Bendis has a man crush on him.

Academy:

Pym is pretty much confirmed. I hope he's also on a real Avengers team in addition to leading the Academy.

Secret Avengers:

Steve Rogers. If he's on a team, nobody could lead other than Steve.

[joemagnum611]

Iron Man should be the overseer of most Avengers team or at least have eyes & ears on all teams instead of a standing statically as a leader. What he does could be the most powerful role of all.



This is what I'm talking about. Tony might be the coordinator of all the Avengers team with power behind the curtain.

From the interview with Brubaker it seems that Steve is gonna be the overseer of the teams. With Maria Hill, Victoria Hand and Sharon Carter being the ones that coordinate the teams Bru refered to them as "Steve's Angels." O could see Ironman or Hawkeye leading the Avengers. We all know that Cage is gonna lead the New Avengers although it should be Ms. Marvel and Steve is gonna lead the Secret Avengers

[celticguy]

Actually, a recurring theme in New Avengers has been people looking to Bucky just because of the costume he's wearing. In the Dark Avengers crossover Free Comic Book Day special, Bucky's the one staring Osborn down, and I think Osborn's referred to the NA as "Captain America's Avengers" instead of "Clint Barton's Avengers" or "Luke Cage's Avengers." And he is the one who winds up giving most of the field commands, anyway. He refused to lead the New Avengers because he didn't have experience being on the Avengers, but it's possible now he might be over that. But as long as he wears the Captain America costume, people are going to look to him as a leadership possibility, whether he wants them to or not.

Not to say Clint doesn't have more experience or isn't a better leader. I think at this point he still is, the problem with Clint though is that he just monumentally screwed up leadership of the New Avengers by going off and trying to assassinate Osborn on his own, which shows how out-of-sync he was with the rest of the team. Now, Clint was pretty much suffering from PTSD or some breakdown that was making him act fairly unlike himself, and he seems to have realized that he was wrong to do so, but I can see people being leery of him leading for a while as he gets his crap together.

Al least Clint did not lead one side of the heros in a uselss civil war that resulted in Norman getting to run thing.