Ronin or Hawkeye?

[infernohara]

When its all over and Clint picks a costume which one should it be?

I myself like the ronin outfit and the weapons master portion, but I also like the archery of the original outfit......Would you guys be opposed to the Hawkeye outfit rocking the Ronin Black and yellow colors?

I think it would give the character the perfect blend of sneaking into places and keeping that ninja like style, but give him that flair of bow and arrow specialist as he retains the bow and arrow and a sword. Like Blackknight meets Hawkeye. I wish I could photoshop.

What do ya'll think?

[rpriske]

He should just be Hawkeye.


It isn't even close.

[Gabe De Los Muertos]

Hawkeye, Clint was likable as Hawkeye.

[rick]

Clint is Hawkeye, anyone else is just a placesitter.

So nothing against Ronin, but I want to see Clint back in the purple where he belongs.

[John Zaleski]

i always loved hawkeye. but now that i've seen him as ronin i think they shoudl at least "update" the hawkeye suit. it looks ghetto as crap in Ultimate Alliance

[IronMagnus]

Clint is Hawkeye, anyone else is just a placesitter.

You speak the truth

[Laminator_X]

Clint became Ronin when his lord was lost and his clan declared outlaw. Now, his master has returned and their clan will retake its rightful place from the honorless usurpers. He will be Ronin no more.

[infernohara]

Okay fine. Do you guys at least like him being a weapons master? Perhaps carry a sword or nunchuk along with the bow and arrow or just strictly ranged fighter and a loss of his close combat skills?

[John Zaleski]

Okay fine. Do you guys at least like him being a weapons master? Perhaps carry a sword or nunchuk along with the bow and arrow or just strictly ranged fighter and a loss of his close combat skills?

BOW + at least 1 melee weapon

[bbiillllyy]

I'm a big fan of the Hawkeye of Young Avengers, so I gotta vote Ronin.

[OBrianTallent]

I'm a huge fan of Kate Bishop and love her look...but she's not Hawkeye. That's Clint Barton. Period. End of story.

I like Kate, but she needs to find her own name.

[infernohara]

I'm a huge fan of Kate Bishop and love her look...but she's not Hawkeye. That's Clint Barton. Period. End of story.

I like Kate, but she needs to find her own name.

Hawkingbird FTW!!:wink:

[Shyft]

i wouldnt care if it wasnt for the fact that a purple toga with a giant H on its forehead just looks SO stupid. So Ronin outfit, but let him be called Hawkeye and use the bow.

[strathcona]

No question... Hawkeye.

[Moose967]

Clint is Hawkeye. Period. Kate needs a new name.

[Colinp42]

I think he should be Hawkeye IF Kate had been Mockingbird. But now Mock is back and Clint gave up the name. I do think that he needs to use the bow, but not as Hawkeye. Maybe return of the Golden Archer?

[celticguy]

If he stays as Ronin there is no reason he should not have a bow. Also, if he retuns to the Purple no reason he should not have an extra weapon or two. Seems just silly to have your arsenal limited by a theme.

[Frisky Dingo]

This thread totally needs a poll.

[infernohara]

Don't know how to do polls. It would be awesome to get one though....wheres Mattbib when you need him?

Hawkeye
Ronin
Combination

and whatever other entries that ya'll can think of.

[bbiillllyy]

I guess all the 'period' and 'end of story' happening means Clint never handed the mantle of Hawkeye over to Kate.

[rpriske]

The purple archer costume is ten times better than the ugly Ronin costume.

I also like Kate Bishop a lot, which is why I want her to get a new name, because every time they call her Hawkeye it annoys me.

The same boes for Bullseye, but in his case, that is the intended reaction.

[bbiillllyy]

I understand the love of the characters . . . but . . . Clint Barton called Kate Hawkeye.

[rpriske]

So what?

If he goes back to using the bow, I imagine she would 'let' him use the name again.

Since they have never portrayed her as an idiot.

[strathcona]

I understand the love of the characters . . . but . . . Clint Barton called Kate Hawkeye.

So... U.S.Agent was called Captain America once. War Machine was Iron Man... There are lots of examples of the mantles being passed on then taken back by the original. That is what is going to happen here.

Also... Purple costume = Fantastic. Ronin Costume = Bland and boring.

[John Zaleski]

So... U.S.Agent was called Captain America once. War Machine was Iron Man... There are lots of examples of the mantles being passed on then taken back by the original. That is what is going to happen here.

Also... Purple costume = Fantastic. Ronin Costume = Bland and boring.

wellll thats deifnitly a matter of opinion. the classic hawkeye outfit deffffffintily needs an update. didn't hold the test of time imo

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Hawkeye.

I love that they went down the Legacy route, giving the title to Kate Bishop in Young Avengers, but Clint should always BE Hawkeye.

[Hromovlad]

I'd saw Hawkeye for the sake of tradition


I'm a big fan of the Hawkeye of Young Avengers, so I gotta vote Ronin.

I see no reason why they can't both have the name.
You may call her "Young Hawkeye" to prevent confusion

[tassa_kay]

Couple of comments...

Given the Heroic Age promo art we've all pretty much seen, and the fact that things will be lightening up at Marvel, does anyone reasonably expect that Clint won't be Hawkeye again post-Siege? Hell, it'll probably happen *during* Siege.

Also, what the hell has Kate Bishop done lately that Clint can't have the Hawkeye name back and tell her to find her own damned codename? Kate's a decent character and all, but I'd rather have MY generation's Hawkeye back.

[Jimmy Coconuts]

i wouldnt care if it wasnt for the fact that a purple toga with a giant H on its forehead just looks SO stupid. So Ronin outfit, but let him be called Hawkeye and use the bow.

It's not any more stupid than Captain America and the giant A on his forehead, imo.

[kindella2]

i think Clint has had time to take back his name if he really wanted it. I think he should just incorporate an bow with his current Ronin fit.

[rocky123]

I think he should be Hawkeye since I always thought Ronin was a temporary thing anyway. Also as was mentioned somewhere there are plenty of ninja and martial arts type characters around. The archer persona that Clint had made him stand out.

[Frank]

It would be cool if Clint would keep his Ronin weapons and be a master of everything.

[Global Honored]

Hawkeye is Clint, Clint is Hawkeye. Alan Alda is also Hawkeye but does not look as badass in Purple. Kate Bishop can be whatever new character she wishes and Echo should return, and if she wants to be Ronin, then so be it.

[Punchdrunk]

Let Bucky be Ronin
and
Clint be Hawkeye
Steve be Cap

[Monty_Cristo]

He should just be Hawkeye.


It isn't even close.


this post is relevant to my interests.

[BlkPanther35]

If you are going to do a "Heroic Age", then let the status quo return:

Clint as Hawkeye, Steve as Cap. Period.

Kate Bishop and Bucky Barnes can still have their roles and develop as characters, but let the heavy hitters return to the roles they are known for.

[Endless Lies]

Ronin. Hawkeye is corny

[Captain Clarkie]

I always saw the Ronin suit as a stop-gap for a character, the samurai without a lord. Clint's just about past that, and he needs to be Hawkeye again. i'd like to see it passed along to someone like Prodigy or Justice.

[rogerio]

Clint is Hawkeye.

[Alan2099]

Clint is Hawkeye.
Kate was just borrowing the name while Clint was depressed.
Ronin was just a made Mortal Kombat suit that Bendis was trying desperalty to make somebody care about.

Clint is hawkeye, his costume is awesome, and he really doesn't need any weapons other than his bow and some trick arrows.

[BartonisHawkeye88]

Clint is Hawkeye.
Kate was just borrowing the name while Clint was depressed.
Ronin was just a made Mortal Kombat suit that Bendis was trying desperalty to make somebody care about.

Clint is hawkeye, his costume is awesome, and he really doesn't need any weapons other than his bow and some trick arrows.damn right. Like Marvel needs anymore gloomy anti-heroes with itchy trigger fingers. And a ninja to boot. It's like Bendis wanted to give all the 11 year old boys that don't read comics something to get a nerd-boner over, trampling over long-time Avengers and Hawkeye fans in the process. angst? check. swords? check. kill-frenzy plus guns? check. Paying attention to any of the character's extensive back story?... hmmm. How about presenting the character in a way that even vaguely resembles the character he killed years back? nope...

[Ronin II]

Ronin. :) I love that costume. :) And I love the idea of it. :) Ronin. Barton as a Hawkeye gets on my nerves, but I adore him as Ronin...

[infernohara]

I personally like for the guy to fight up close and hasn't he always been kinda an angry person (or is this just his recent personality)? I can't see him just shooting arrows and thats that. I mean really? If that happens then Green Arrow can easily beat him in the next Marvel DC vs.

I always though he had Havok's (from the X-men) personality.

[vitruvian]

Okay fine. Do you guys at least like him being a weapons master? Perhaps carry a sword or nunchuk along with the bow and arrow or just strictly ranged fighter and a loss of his close combat skills?

Why would he lose the skills if he changed his costume? He was trained by the Swordsman and Cap, he's got those skills for life.

[Methalius]

Okay fine. Do you guys at least like him being a weapons master? Perhaps carry a sword or nunchuk along with the bow and arrow or just strictly ranged fighter and a loss of his close combat skills?

I would like him as Hawkeye, but I would like for him to have a close combat weapon as well. I liked the Ronin thing but it's time for Clint Barton as Hawkeye to return. Especially since he made such a big stink about it that someone else stole his former identity. If only to make up for the fact that a sociopath dared to wear his uniform. That alone would piss me off if I were him.

[infernohara]

Why would he lose the skills if he changed his costume? He was trained by the Swordsman and Cap, he's got those skills for life.

Because it happens in comics all the time.

1. Thunderball forgot that he was a genuis.

2. Beast forgot he was trained by Captain America (no finnesse when he fights anymore)

3. Hulk forgot what he learned throughout World war Hulk.

4. Norman Osborn forgot to improve upon stolen Armor (which normally he would do).

[BartonisHawkeye88]

I personally like for the guy to fight up close and hasn't he always been kinda an angry person (or is this just his recent personality)? I can't see him just shooting arrows and thats that. I mean really? If that happens then Green Arrow can easily beat him in the next Marvel DC vs.

I always though he had Havok's (from the X-men) personality.
Clint has always been a hothead, but not in the way that Bendis portrays him. He's mostly just arrogant and rash. Not stupid and violent. Marvel already has plenty of ninja and martial arts characters. Why bother having two night thrashers? It's pointless, and Clint has always been an EXPERT marksman, where as he may be proficient in martial arts, but he is still not Iron Fist or Shang Chi. You get what I mean? Why have a mediocre ninja when you can have an expert marksman with a sharp tongue and plenty of sarcastic humor?

And for the record... Hawkeye schooled Green Arrow during the last Marvel DC crossover, and even macked on Canary. I'd say that equates to Olly getting utterly embarrassed by Marvel's resident archer. :D

[Taiso]

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Question answered. Thread done.

[SOSabretooth]

Clint should be Hawkeye and according to the Heroic Age promo, it seems he is, if I'm not mistaken.

Kate should get her own original codename but seeing Marvel's trends in naming female equivalents of male characters she'll probably end up as Lady Hawkeye.

[infernohara]

Clint has always been a hothead, but not in the way that Bendis portrays him. He's mostly just arrogant and rash. Not stupid and violent. Marvel already has plenty of ninja and martial arts characters. Why bother having two night thrashers? It's pointless, and Clint has always been an EXPERT marksman, where as he may be proficient in martial arts, but he is still not Iron Fist or Shang Chi. You get what I mean? Why have a mediocre ninja when you can have an expert marksman with a sharp tongue and plenty of sarcastic humor?

And for the record... Hawkeye schooled Green Arrow during the last Marvel DC crossover, and even macked on Canary. I'd say that equates to Olly getting utterly embarrassed by Marvel's resident archer. :D

I get you and it makes sense. I don't want clint to be as good as "shang chi' or "ironfist", but I would like for him to hold his own with a few weapons or something in close combat. (You know wanting him to at least be able to beat Bullseye in close combat)

Well thats pretty good. I think Green arrow has upgraded his skill quite abit and can do serious damage up close now.

[infernohara]

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Question answered. Thread done.


HaHa. Cool.

It seems the majority love classic Hawkeye by a milestone, but do those same people love the purple color scheme or should he get an upgrade like Ironman got?:evilsmile:

[JdRavnos]

I liked Ronin. It served a point and showed us Clint in a different light. He was directionless, at one of his lowest points and I thought it was pretty damn effective of doing something new with the character...

It also makes me really excited for the possibility of him being Hawkeye again. The times he's picked up a bow since he's become Ronin has always led me to me pumping my fist in joy, and him becoming Hawkeye again would really excite me.

Ronin's been fun, but I think at heart Clint is Hawkeye.

[Taiso]

HaHa. Cool.

It seems the majority love classic Hawkeye by a milestone, but do those same people love the purple color scheme or should he get an upgrade like Ironman got?:evilsmile:

Pleasantly purple would be pretty powerful and profound.

Please.

PEXELCIOR!!!

[Gabe De Los Muertos]

Question answered. Thread done.

Because you're the God of CBR.

[Taiso]

Because you're the God of CBR.

If you disagree with my viewpoint, fine.

But please leave the pedantic personal attacks out of it.

[Gabe De Los Muertos]

If you disagree with my viewpoint, fine.

But please leave the pedantic personal attacks out of it.

No, I don't disagree, but I dislike it when people post "/end discussion" or "discuss" in threads. It just sounds really obnoxious to me.

[Taiso]

No, I don't disagree, but I dislike it when people post "/end discussion" or "discuss" in threads. It just sounds really obnoxious to me.

So you insult me personally in a public forum just because of your subjective perception of my comments?

Who's playing God now?

Please, some courtesy is all I'm asking for. Disagree with my points, but don't insult me.

[Gabe De Los Muertos]

So you insult me personally in a public forum just because of your subjective perception of my comments?

Who's playing God now?

Please, some courtesy is all I'm asking for. Disagree with my ponits, but don't insult me.

How courteous is it to say "thread done" when it's not even your thread? And geez, it's not even an insult. That was a sarcastic comment, and you got hurt by it more than you should have.

[Taiso]

How courteous is it to say "thread done" when it's not even your thread? And geez, it's not even an insult. That was a sarcastic comment, and you got hurt by it more than you should have.

Dry humor is not a personal attack on anyone's character. Furthermore, you're the only one that's read it and felt a need to lash out at me.

Your comments are, on the other hand, an attack.

And I'm done talking about this. You want to talk comics, I'm game. You want to critique or control the method in which I opine and this is a pointless conversation to take any further.

[Gabe De Los Muertos]

Dry humor is not a personal attack on anyone's character.

Your comments are.

And I'm done talking about this. You want to talk comics, I'm game. You want to critique or control the method in which I opine and this is a pointless conversation to take any further.

Oh spare me the dramatics. You're not God Taiso, don't worry.

[Taiso]

Oh spare me the dramatics. You're not God Taiso, don't worry.

You're clearly the only one worried about it.

Now, I love me some purple Hawkeye!

[Justin K.]

This thread totally needs a poll.

Definitely. I'm too lazy to say why I prefer Hawkeye over Ronin...

[rick]

Yep, got to love the classic purple.

Does any other superhero have that color scheme?

[Frank]

Let Bucky be Ronin
and
Clint be Hawkeye
Steve be Cap

Pretty much.

Although Bucky could be Robin. :redface:

[BartonisHawkeye88]

I personally think that the purple and blue color scheme is the way to go. It really makes him stand out, which is perfect for him since he is most definitely the loudest Avenger, lol. The loudmouthed archer needs an outfit that screams "Pay attention to me, dammit!" Rather than "I'm grim and angsty, leave me alone because you don't understand me" haha.

However a darker/navy blue scheme with purple highlights would fit best with a modern, yet classic look for Clint. Just keep the mask. (and for the love of god... no Midriffs, panchos or skirts, ala Avengers Forever)

Keep it simple, and classic, yet functional (but not overly so). He needs to have just a pinch of flair to his costume, imo.

[BartonisHawkeye88]

I get you and it makes sense. I don't want clint to be as good as "shang chi' or "ironfist", but I would like for him to hold his own with a few weapons or something in close combat. (You know wanting him to at least be able to beat Bullseye in close combat)

Well thats pretty good. I think Green arrow has upgraded his skill quite abit and can do serious damage up close now.

Don't get me wrong, I think Clint can definitely hold his own if the fight gets up close and personal, but he has always been able to do some serious damage, simply by using his arrows like throwing knives or stabbing tools. Check out the fight with Iron Man, he smashed an acid arrow into ole shellhead's mask, or when he fought a savage she-hulk with a makeshift bow after his other one became obliterated. I always thought it was way more cool and efficient for him to just get creative with what he's got (he's always been a great improviser) rather than carry a sword or nunchaku simply in the event that someone gets up close to him, when he could easily just use the arrows that are already in his hand to stab, slash, explode, blind, knockout, confuse, or otherwise deter his enemies. Carrying around extra would just slow him down.

However, if they do give him a rapier ala Swordsman, I wouldn't revolt or anything, as long as the bow is the weapon of choice. I just wouldn't see any point in it

[celticguy]

Clint should be Hawkeye and according to the Heroic Age promo, it seems he is, if I'm not mistaken.

Kate should get her own original codename but seeing Marvel's trends in naming female equivalents of male characters she'll probably end up as Lady Hawkeye.


Oye that would be brutal but that does not mean you are wrong.

If Clint goes back to Hawkeye I hope he does not go back to being a one trick pony and just be the guy with the trick arrows. No needto regress back to Secret Wars when Reed takes his arrows and ll he does is mope how useless he is.

[marvell2100]

Hawkeye. Clints best moments have been in the purple. And I want him to be brash again. And talking smack. And thinking that he's the best Avenger next to Cap. So bring back Hawkeye.

[fod_xp]

Except Clint's a tad "psychotic" or is at least very prone to "heated reactions."

Especially matters with Wanda. Also, his little "Cowboy Bebop" sortie was ill-advised. Yes, let's do storm Osborn's Dark Avengers club house, and not even heed the notion that place would be heavily guarded.

This tactic worked for Spike Speigle, but he still died from bleeding out.

Clint, well, not so much. He didn't even get to Osborn. Next time bring grenades...lots of grenades, OOooh and plastic explosive mines.

[Jimmy Holograph]

Just give Clint the House of M Hawkeye costume. Its been by far the best redesign of his costume, and the best costume he's ever had period. He still had it when he came back from the HoM reality too, and it matches up perfectly with Mockingbird's new costume (assuming she survives Siege).

I like the Ronin costume, I have to say, but Clint should be Hawkeye. Its the true representation of who he is.

[paulski]

Oh please. Hawkeye or nothing.

[BartonisHawkeye88]

Except Clint's a tad "psychotic" or is at least very prone to "heated reactions."

Especially matters with Wanda. Also, his little "Cowboy Bebop" sortie was ill-advised. Yes, let's do storm Osborn's Dark Avengers club house, and not even heed the notion that place would be heavily guarded.

This tactic worked for Spike Speigle, but he still died from bleeding out.

Clint, well, not so much. He didn't even get to Osborn. Next time bring grenades...lots of grenades, OOooh and plastic explosive mines.
you can thank Bendis and his blatant disregard of the character's rich, established history and personality. Clint going on an angry kill-spree at all is about as out of left field as Spider-Man becoming a mime. Clint is anti-kill... period. And Bendis took Clint's rash nature and kicked it up to 13, making him seem like a complete tool. When in fact, Bendis is the tool. whew... sorry, I'm just a bit bitter

[Babylon23]

Clint should be Hawkeye. Purple costume, big H on forehead, master with the bow. Ditch all of the other ninja weapons and go back to what he does best.

The Ronin outfit should be passed around to any character thats just returned from the dead and is feeling a bit down. That way we could have the "excitement" of a "who is Ronin" mystery every 12 months. All of the former Ronins could make their own angsty super-ninja team called Ronin Force.

Alternatively, the Ronin outfit could be given to any character that Bendis wants to write out of character, or any character that he wants to ignore 20 years of continuity and character development when writing.

[BartonisHawkeye88]

Clint should be Hawkeye. Purple costume, big H on forehead, master with the bow. Ditch all of the other ninja weapons and go back to what he does best.

The Ronin outfit should be passed around to any character thats just returned from the dead and is feeling a bit down. That way we could have the "excitement" of a "who is Ronin" mystery every 12 months. All of the former Ronins could make their own angsty super-ninja team called Ronin Force.

Alternatively, the Ronin outfit could be given to any character that Bendis wants to write out of character, or any character that he wants to ignore 20 years of continuity and character development when writing.TRUE DAT!:biggrin:
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