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Den
01-16-2010, 02:46 PM
Did anyone else get this?

The Shield continues to be the series that I'd nominate for "Best D.C. Comic you probably aren't reading" though I understand that R.E.B.E.L.S fans claim that spot as well for their favorite :)

#5 is another beautiful issue, with Marco Rudy back on pencils and he and the rest of the art team just fill the whole story with action packed panels.

Given that the Jaguar is mentioned on the cover, this will come as no surprise that he's making an appearance here. And anyone versed with the superhero genre will be colored unsurprised as the "appearance" occurs.

The Great Ten (August General in Iron, Seven Deadly Brothers, and Shaolin Robot to be precise) appeared in last issue, and we see their response to their embassy getting messed up. Short answer? they aren't happy. They insist the Shield surrender for his part in the damage done.

Naturally, the Shield declines. I can't say I blame him since I have no doubt the Chinese government would use this chance to carve his tech (and possibly him as well) like a Thanksgiving turkey. Besides, he has a mission involving Nazi U.F.Os and robots!

And the tale really gets going...
pretty much total spoilers below. Do NOT ruin it for yourself if you plan on getting this but haven't read it yet.


The Shield fights smart as well as hard. Had he wiped the floor with the Great Ten members, I would have groaned at the 'jobbing', but instead the Shield just gets sneaky, manages to 'hack' Shaolin Robot, and uses the distraction to get the hell out of dodge and back to work.

I have to confess, I chuckled as Shoalin Robot was hammering the back of the General's head, and Joe confesses "I can admit it. I enjoyed that"

Breaking into the Reich Saucer, he faces our goose-stepping robots and meets..well, not in person, our villain. While the man on the screen and the Shield exchange banter, the Shield ends up fighting his way to a chamber where he finds numerous subjects that have been tortured and killed, most in odd tubes of liquid. His systems inform him that the subjects have a 99% fatality rate, and 1% about to expire.

He shatters the power core, and an overload is inevitable. Mission accomplished, but for a guy who keeps claiming he's a soldier not a superhero, Joe sure acts like the latter as he finds the one survivor and get him out of there.


The Great Ten is nothing if not dogged, and is coming in as well, possibly to finish their chat with the Shield, but they find ...
the corpses seem to be reviving like something out of a zombie movie
oh..and a Nazi killbot is up and at em.

But the guy Joe saved, Rafael, transforms every other panel...and then joins into the fight as well... without a doubt, he has become our new 'Jaguar'

We pan back to snarky comments from the mastermind/nazi scum who is still watching remotely. who announces himself as "Baron Gestapo" . You can almost hear the capital letters, but what might otherwise be an over the top name is retroactively cool because he dates all the way back from 1942, Zip Comics #27- I looked it up. ;)



I have to admit, Trautmann and Rudy had to overcome a big obstacle with me when introducing the Jaguar. For one thing, it is exceptionally hard to avoid the wolverine comparisons for any clawed superhero nowadays. As I'm rather burnt out on Logan , similar types tend to bore me quickly unless they have a personality or something that makes them stand out. The other problem is this: Out of the old Impact line, the Jaguar was my favorite. She kicked ass, and that sets a tough act to follow.

So I consider myself a 'tough crowd' for poor Rafael. ;)

We don't get enough of Jaguar's personality for me to fairly judge on whether I like him as a person to read about or not, but it's too soon to expect that anyway.

However, the art team , the look, turns out to be really quite...well, awesome! There's a panel of the character in his full leaping glory that makes your inner fanboy go 'Kewl!'

So mission accomplished in getting me interested in the new guy on that angle.

Joe's commentary and banter are lively through out, and if there's anything that really raised a brow it's the point that the Shield again is stating how he's a soldier not a superhero and he needs to think like the former. It seems to be a recurring theme, and it is one that either could end up overdone, or instead, might be a good hook for later story development.

Despite my grumblings about guest stars (Magog) on earlier issues, I confess I'm now wondering how Shield would relate to more typical superheroes. Would he feel any kind of rapport with their calling at all, or does he truly consider himself a world apart? That sort of thing.

Regardless, another excellent issue IMO, and I'm sticking with it.


I should also mention the Inferno backfeature. I really think the limited pages on the back feature hurt it , because it has taken far too long to get this far. 'This far' is actually picking up some speed, and is more interesting for it. I still don't care for the art on the Inferno, it remains too muddy for my liking. Personal preference, but I think I shall enjoy the upcoming Fox a great deal more.

Desaad
01-16-2010, 02:57 PM
The issue totally rocked, I agree. Currently Trautmann/Rudy is probably one of my favorite writer/artist teams working in the business. Normally one is really the draw over the other, but not so here -- here they are both just incredible talents.

There are so many characters I'd like to see them get put on, though, bigger name guys. Can you imagine a Green Lantern written by Trautmann and drawn by Rudy? It would be ASTOUNDING.

Den
01-16-2010, 03:09 PM
The issue totally rocked, I agree. Currently Trautmann/Rudy is probably one of my favorite writer/artist teams working in the business. Normally one is really the draw over the other, but not so here -- here they are both just incredible talents.

There are so many characters I'd like to see them get put on, though, bigger name guys. Can you imagine a Green Lantern written by Trautmann and drawn by Rudy? It would be ASTOUNDING.

I'd hate to lose Johns on Green Lantern, so I'd prefer if the Trautmann/Rudy team got someone else. For some reason, Hawkman comes to mind...which is weird, as I'm not even that big a fan of Hawkman. ;)

md62
01-16-2010, 09:14 PM
Another great issue. I liked the retro WWII villians. I wasn't so crazy about the Great Ten. I think I would have preferred more "traditional" DCU heroes guest in the book. I loved the way The Jaguar was introduced. Still am not feeling the Inferno back up. The Comet looks like a Mike Wieringo design. I read somewhere this may be leading to a Mighty Crusaders team up???

Den
01-17-2010, 11:26 AM
It does look like they're building to a Mighty Crusaders team or at least temporary team up judging by comments on D.C.'s source blog.

I'm torn about that:
One one hand, I am enjoying the Shield a lot, the Web is also good, and while the Inferno has me going 'meh' a great deal, the Hangman is also intriguing. I really look forward to seeing the others developed.

On the other hand, with numbers so dismal (and undeservedly so imo) for both series, I'm not sure how a team book or mini (if that's what they are aiming for) will work out.

Doc Goblin
01-17-2010, 08:35 PM
The Shield by Eric Trautmann really is one of the best things DC has going for it right now. The launch of the Red Circle heroes in general may have been pretty lackluster, but this shines and makes it all worth it. I'm so impressed because, arguably, the Shield should have been the most difficult character of the bunch to make work. There's not exactly a shortage of Captain America-type heroes, but very few of them have anything unique or interesting to contribute. The Shield is definitely one of those few.

This was another great issue. Hard to go wrong with Nazi androids in a flying saucer. I love the Great Ten too, so it was cool seeing some of them appear.

I found it curious how in the beginning the Shield's warsuit rated August General in Iron's metahuman level the lowest. Seven Deadly Brothers got a higher rating than him. I thought August General was more of a heavy hitter than that.

It was also interesting that his warsuit didn't seem to detect Ghost Fox Killer at all.

As for the Jaguar debut... I'm not sure. I don't really have an opinion on him yet. But I don't think I'm really expected to yet. Next issue will presumably show more of this guy and then I'll get a feel for what I think of him.

The Inferno co-feature. I think the problem with it is that it's the wrong story to try to tell as a co-feature. I mean the writing really isn't bad or anything. But I just don't think you can tell a slow-paced, low-key story like this through 10 pages a month. After reading a bunch of co-features, the faster and more dense the story the better. Otherwise, the stories drag like this one has. The character does seem cool, even though I really don't get what's going on with him. The Comet's debut though... not sure about that character design. Kinda fugly.

ljacone
01-18-2010, 05:18 AM
The Shield continues to impress. The story was a nice mix of classic (Nazi robots in the Brazilian jungle? How Kirby-Captain America!) and the modern (great seeing Joe mix it up with the Great Ten). I figured the badguy (with a name like he has) would be a revamp of a classic baddie. Rudy's art was fantastic once again, and the way he lays out his double page spreads is amazing. I'd put him up as one of the best working for the Big 2 right now. Definitely looking forward to seeing the conclusion of this story as well as more of the Jaguar.

I am enjoying the Inferno backups in an X-Files sort of way. I wish they would pick up the pace a little bit, but generally I like them.

I agree with you, Den, about the Mighty Crusaders. Not sure how you can justify a mini or something... maybe a crossover between Shield and Web, using the full 30 story pages? Two months of that and you have 120 pages, about what you would get from a 5 issue mini (5*22=110).

mercuryeric
01-19-2010, 09:10 PM
I have to admit, Trautmann and Rudy had to overcome a big obstacle with me when introducing the Jaguar. For one thing, it is exceptionally hard to avoid the wolverine comparisons for any clawed superhero nowadays. As I'm rather burnt out on Logan , similar types tend to bore me quickly unless they have a personality or something that makes them stand out. The other problem is this: Out of the old Impact line, the Jaguar was my favorite. She kicked ass, and that sets a tough act to follow.

So I consider myself a 'tough crowd' for poor Rafael. ;)


I was a big fan of the !mpact Jaguar, too, if that helps any. I will say: the background I devised with him (designed to be extended into an ongoing story, should there ever be any demand for it) is quite distinct from Logan, as is his personality (with the possible exception of a predilection for savagery).

Thanks for the kind words, all.

Best,

-E

ljacone
01-20-2010, 07:36 AM
I was a big fan of the !mpact Jaguar, too, if that helps any. I will say: the background I devised with him (designed to be extended into an ongoing story, should there ever be any demand for it) is quite distinct from Logan, as is his personality (with the possible exception of a predilection for savagery).

Thanks for the kind words, all.

Best,

-E

Will we be seeing more of the Jaguar in the pages of The Shield after this arc?

Did you have any input into Jaguar's visual design, or was that all Marco? I really dig his look, straightforward as it is. Every now and again I say that sometimes the obvious choice is the right choice, and this is one of those times -- he looks like how a character named Jaguar should look.

Thanks for great stuff on this series. It's been a real treat so far.

mercuryeric
01-21-2010, 11:28 AM
Will we be seeing more of the Jaguar in the pages of The Shield after this arc?

Did you have any input into Jaguar's visual design, or was that all Marco? I really dig his look, straightforward as it is. Every now and again I say that sometimes the obvious choice is the right choice, and this is one of those times -- he looks like how a character named Jaguar should look.

Thanks for great stuff on this series. It's been a real treat so far.

I wrote up a document with Rafael's background, powers, and a fairly detailed description of his physical appearance, which Marco turned around and made into all manner of awesome.

Thanks for the kind words. :)

I have no idea what the plans are for Jaguar -- I was simply asked to come up with a revamp/reintroduction concept, and cameo him in the book.

That said, the backstory I cooked up is pulpy fun, and I'd LOVE to write more of his story. So who knows?

-E

jAWSH!
01-21-2010, 06:39 PM
Visually STUNNING!

Need proof? Look at that first page. One of the Seven Deadly Brothers kicks Lt Higgins in the face. The panel's frame is in the shape of a ninja tabi boot. Marco Rudy continues to wow me.

The Great Ten are a lot of fun. I loved the sneaky nanite override of Shoalin Robot. I wonder if this tactic would be effective against Cliff Steele or Metallo?

"The only person on the battlefield who talks about a fair fight is generally the loser."

This quote is one of several reasons this book is such a breath of fresh air in the DCU. Not overly macho bullshit, just a heavy dose of reality.

Grade: A

jAWSH!
01-21-2010, 06:42 PM
That said, the backstory I cooked up is pulpy fun, and I'd LOVE to write more of his story. So who knows?

Possibly a co-feature? The character's only just been introduced, but I would read his story based on the work you've done on The Shield.

Thanks again for the great job on this title. I salute you! :cool: