Why Does Rachel Grey Never Use Her Crimson Dawn Powers?

[darknessatnoon]

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Rachel obviously has the Crimson Dawn (how she got it, CC never spelled out since he interrupted the Psylocke/Rachel connection with a long-form dinosaur story). Why does she never use it!?!!

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Is it because, they're basically the same powers?

Has she not even figured out that she has them?

Is it because she's not even a ninja and her having them is weird in the first place?

http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/img/m/MarvelGirl.jpg

[Goshin]

*scratches head*

huh?

[jarrod]

Spiral took them when she stole the unborn fetus from Rachel's womb.

Rachel is Shatterstar's biological mother. Red Lotus was the father.

[darknessatnoon]

*scratches head*

huh?

Let's take this slow, Goshin. Psylocke had the Crimson Dawn when she was shacking up with Warren. Then, during the six month gap between a bunch of crap and CC's 2000 return to the title, Psylocke and Jean switched powers. Jean got the Crimson Dawn and gained a shadow Phoenix form. Then Jean got her ass handed to her by Magneto and CC brought R'Chell back in X-Treme X-Men. When he took over Uncanny, he made a point of showing R'Chell with the Crimson Dawn sig on her face and kept hinting at a connection between her and Psylocke. Rachel has the Crimson Dawn. Why isn't she using it!?

[Goshin]

Let's take this slow, Goshin. Psylocke had the Crimson Dawn when she was shacking up with Warren. Then, during the six month gap between a bunch of crap and CC's 2000 return to the title, Psylocke and Jean switched powers. Jean got the Crimson Dawn and gained a shadow Phoenix form. Then Jean got her ass handed to her by Magneto and CC brought R'Chell back in X-Treme X-Men. When he took over Uncanny, he made a point of showing R'Chell with the Crimson Dawn sig on her face and kept hinting at a connection between her and Psylocke. Rachel has the Crimson Dawn. Why isn't she using it!?

:confused: :frown:

all the psychics in x-men have the most confusing storylines and personal history....

[Optic Rage!]

Such a useless bitch.

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/6206/131505359383c40fd4b0.jpg

[darknessatnoon]

:confused: :frown:

all the psychics in x-men have the most confusing storylines and personal history....

It has something to do with the Shadow King (who might also be the telepath, Bogan) messing with Jean and Psylocke (and maybe Rachel). How is that confusing?

[joshtylen]

It's up to whoever's writing/using her, maybe someone who follows her closely can help

[Optic Rage!]

My Favourite Rachel pic(not including R'chel OBV)

http://www.popcultureshock.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/wi6.jpg

[quillero]

Such a useless bitch.

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/6206/131505359383c40fd4b0.jpg

Oh my God. LOL. This is amazing.

[darknessatnoon]

Oh my God. LOL. This is amazing.

It really is. I'm blown away. Those girls are fierce. If Rachel were tall and black and beautiful, I might actually love her.

[DeniseXfrost]

Who's the blue girl supposed to be?

[jarrod]

Who's the blue girl supposed to be?
Apocalypse.

[darknessatnoon]

Who's the blue girl supposed to be?

I think it's Psylocke wearing clothes.

[Optic Rage!]

I wonder how long it took for that creature dressed as Jean to get the latex body suit on.

[quillero]

It really is. I'm blown away. Those girls are fierce. If Rachel were tall and black and beautiful, I might actually love her.

It's a shame that waste of ink would never be this great. Maybe they can retcon Storm as her father.

[Optic Rage!]

I'd love to spend a night out on the town with these girls. The Surge one looks pretty intimidating.

Imagine what the Jean one's ass looked like. Wow. If i seen her at a con i would take many many pictures.

I bet these are the sort of girls that Goshin likes to bang.

[Talisman]

Such a useless bitch.

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/6206/131505359383c40fd4b0.jpg
But shes' the best looking drag queen of the bunch.

[quillero]

I think it's Psylocke wearing clothes.

Thank God she didn't go for the thong.

[jarrod]

Her outfit conflicts with established canon. Everyone knows Rachel Grey can't function in heels.


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[coveredinbees]

Magneto tripped her. He also stole her money. Sage would've noticed.

[lockerogue]

That is probably the best Rachel has ever looked in her entire history.

[darknessatnoon]

That is the best scene. I mean, how does a telekinetic fall down the stairs?

[jarrod]

Rachel should always wear her hair up. I'm getting tired of the dyke bob and buzz cut.

[jarrod]

That is the best scene. I mean, how does a telekinetic fall down the stairs?
Kitty Pryde is bad luck.

[Talisman]

Kitty Pryde is bad luck.
I think it has more to do with the Grey blood. Instead of having bad luck for 7 years you just stay in limbo/death for some odd years.

[jeansbff]

Well...i think when rachel recieved the echo of the phoenix from korvuses phoenix blade her shadow powers somehow got edited out of her. Its like the echo deleted them somehow. And now the echos gone and she can't display her shadow form or her phoenix symbol now.

[Swashbuckler]

The crimson dawn powers probably left her. Nothing wants to be connected to Rachel. I hope the crimson dawn swallows her and she dies there.

[Optic Rage!]

Well...i think when rachel recieved the echo of the phoenix from korvuses phoenix blade her shadow powers somehow got edited out of her. Its like the echo deleted them somehow. And now the echos gone and she can't display her shadow form or her phoenix symbol now.

Oh jeez. Maj needs to get his ass in here stat.

[jeansbff]

Oh jeez. Maj needs to get his ass in here stat.

Your avatars hot. Is it promoting sexual torture? Femininemystique and i are well versed in that. :evilsmile:

[darknessatnoon]

Your avatars hot. Is it promoting sexual torture? Femininemystique and i are well versed in that. :evilsmile:

That's a boner killer.

[jeansbff]

That's a boner killer.

Your boner will be resurrected once you come to our bondage tardis. Its a great place to release all that sexual tension.

[Goshin]

Such a useless bitch.

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/6206/131505359383c40fd4b0.jpg
:confused: :frown:

i cant even tell whether they are women or men...

[Goshin]

That's a boner killer.


i second that notion

[worstblogever]

Okay... gonna throw out a whole different theory...

When R'Chel disappeared in Excalibur (vol. 1) #75, it was because, at the point, supposedly, only she, or Captain Britain could exist in Marvel-616 at the same time. So, in order to leave Brian diddling Meggan, she gave everyone in the 616 what they wanted and went the eff away.

So she's gone for years. Then what changes?

Brian's sister, Psylocke, dies.

All of a sudden, R'Chel is back, with a power signature from her. Coincidence? Naw. It was the door opening. A Braddock from Otherworld bit the dust, so R'Chel could come back in her stead.

And then, once Psylocke came back from the dead in Uncanny X-Men, R'Chel lost her powers, altogether, when Betsy took them back, only to have her brother Jaime get rid of them, altogether.



Man... intertwining bad Rachel continuity with bad Betsy continuity... that's the definition of a writer's clusterf***, right there.

[Havok83]

Simple, she doesnt have the Crimson Dawn powers. Her imagery was something CC brought up and never bothered to explain. I highly doubt it will ever come up again and will forever remain one of the X-men's dangling plots.

[Valeria Kementari]

Rachel lost her Crimson Dawn powers when she got Alien Syphilis from Korvus

[Novaya Havoc]

Such a useless bitch.

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/6206/131505359383c40fd4b0.jpg

:eek:

lololololololol. I want to buy them drinks. So real. So fierce. So delusional. <3

[subliminal]

It was explained in House of M - Uncanny X-Men. Rachel and Betsy's fates were intertwined together by Jamie so that CC could dredge up the first foursaken, the opposite of the Phoenix Force... I still don't understand it.

[Pixie_Solanas]

:confused: :frown:

i cant even tell whether they are women or men...

Zaftig Phoenix couldn't even find boots to accomodate those hamhock legs.

[MartinRedmond]

Jamie fixed it or whateverrrrrrr


Rachel should always wear her hair up. I'm getting tired of the dyke bob and buzz cut.

W3rd!

[Thirteen]

The Rachel/Psylocke and Jean/Psylocke connections were jumbled stories that were never clarified.
The reveal of Rachel as Bogan's "Shadow Telepath Slave" smacked of a "Echo is Ronin, NOT Daredevil" switcheroo. Something done because too many readers guessed the secret. There was even dialogue saying "What, you thought it would be BETSY didn't you?!?"
That is when Rachel's shadow power signature started in Xtreme Xmen.

Subsequent artists continued its use, including the Phoenix eye-patch that Jean had manifest during her power swap with Betsy.
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/6672/242642-26562-marvel-girl_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/26562-marvel-girl/105-242642/)There was no explanation or explicit statement or indirect indication (beyond the shadow power signature) of there being the Crimson Dawn present. The shadowy effect was phased out and the eye-patch remained.
I attribute that to artists thinking an effect around one eye is COOL in Liefeldian way (see Cable, Domino).
Its all been fallout from the swapping in of Rachel for Betsy as Bogan's pet telepath. No Crimson Dawn to see here.
Similarly, there has been no reason (AFAIK) for Echo to have been concealing her identity as Ronin.

[jeansbff]

The Rachel/Psylocke and Jean/Psylocke connections were jumbled stories that were never clarified.
The reveal of Rachel as Bogan's "Shadow Telepath Slave" smacked of a "Echo is Ronin, NOT Daredevil" switcheroo. Something done because too many readers guessed the secret. There was even dialogue saying "What, you thought it would be BETSY didn't you?!?"
That is when Rachel's shadow power signature started in Xtreme Xmen.

Subsequent artists continued its use, including the Phoenix eye-patch that Jean had manifest during her power swap with Betsy.
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/6672/242642-26562-marvel-girl_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/26562-marvel-girl/105-242642/)There was no explanation or explicit statement or indirect indication (beyond the shadow power signature) of there being the Crimson Dawn present. The shadowy effect was phased out and the eye-patch remained.
I attribute that to artists thinking an effect around one eye is COOL in Liefeldian way (see Cable, Domino).
Its all been fallout from the swapping in of Rachel for Betsy as Bogan's pet telepath. No Crimson Dawn to see here.
Similarly, there has been no reason (AFAIK) for Echo to have been concealing her identity as Ronin.

Post the panel before with ems saying "I heard that you incredible sodding cow!"

[ZNOP]

The Rachel/Psylocke and Jean/Psylocke connections were jumbled stories that were never clarified.
The reveal of Rachel as Bogan's "Shadow Telepath Slave" smacked of a "Echo is Ronin, NOT Daredevil" switcheroo. Something done because too many readers guessed the secret. There was even dialogue saying "What, you thought it would be BETSY didn't you?!?"
That is when Rachel's shadow power signature started in Xtreme Xmen.

I simply attributed it to Rachel being Jean's daughter (timeline(s) not withstanding) and all... Primarily, any major genetic changes that Jean went through -- those which could be genetically passed on were done so retroactively. That would explain why Jean and Rachel had the same eye signature at the very least.

[fod_xp]

:confused: :frown:

i cant even tell whether they are women or men...

They had better be women because trannies can do much better than that.:wink:

[Cancerous]

Her outfit conflicts with established canon. Everyone knows Rachel Grey can't function in heels.


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Does anyone know what issue this scene is from?

[darknessatnoon]

Does anyone know what issue this scene is from?

The very best issue ever of Uncanny X-Men. I don't have an issue number handy, though.

[darknessatnoon]

The Rachel/Psylocke and Jean/Psylocke connections were jumbled stories that were never clarified.
The reveal of Rachel as Bogan's "Shadow Telepath Slave" smacked of a "Echo is Ronin, NOT Daredevil" switcheroo. Something done because too many readers guessed the secret. There was even dialogue saying "What, you thought it would be BETSY didn't you?!?"
That is when Rachel's shadow power signature started in Xtreme Xmen.

Subsequent artists continued its use, including the Phoenix eye-patch that Jean had manifest during her power swap with Betsy.
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/6672/242642-26562-marvel-girl_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/26562-marvel-girl/105-242642/)There was no explanation or explicit statement or indirect indication (beyond the shadow power signature) of there being the Crimson Dawn present. The shadowy effect was phased out and the eye-patch remained.
I attribute that to artists thinking an effect around one eye is COOL in Liefeldian way (see Cable, Domino).
Its all been fallout from the swapping in of Rachel for Betsy as Bogan's pet telepath. No Crimson Dawn to see here.
Similarly, there has been no reason (AFAIK) for Echo to have been concealing her identity as Ronin.

Ah, thank you. This is pretty lucid.

[ibrakeforchinwe]

Does anyone know what issue this scene is from?

Its from either 448 or 449, both drawn by Olivier Coipel.

[Cancerous]

Its from either 448 or 449, both drawn by Olivier Coipel.

Thanks, guy.

[Thirteen]

Her outfit conflicts with established canon. Everyone knows Rachel Grey can't function in heels.


Rachel's length of time in this outfit makes that hard to believe!
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/261678-4984-marvel-girl_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/4984-marvel-girl/105-261678/)
That was a totally KITTY PRYDE moment grafted onto Rachel because Kitty wasn't available. Boo!

[subliminal]

Maybe when she was regressed in age, she had to learn how to walk again? Heels are a real challenge for toddlers.

[Pixie_Solanas]

Rachel's length of time in this outfit makes that hard to believe!
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/261678-4984-marvel-girl_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/4984-marvel-girl/105-261678/)
That was a totally KITTY PRYDE moment grafted onto Rachel because Kitty wasn't available. Boo!

Her best outfit, IMO. Pure and utter fetish. Wonderful. My only regret is that mouth mask isn't part of it.

[Henry T.]

Who wore it better?

Psylocke

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/newmsgt/psywar2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/newmsgt/psywar.jpg

Jean

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/newmsgt/scan0021.jpg

Rachel

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/newmsgt/rachelfury3.png

[jeansbff]

Who wore it better?

Psylocke

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/newmsgt/psywar2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/newmsgt/psywar.jpg

Jean

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/newmsgt/scan0021.jpg

Rachel

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/newmsgt/rachelfury3.png

Post the scans of jean after the one of her you posted in your last post. She looked lovely in them. I don't have the issue.

[Henry T.]

Post the scans of jean after the one of her you posted in your last post. She looked lovely in them. I don't have the issue.

From the issue with Jean in the shadow form that I just posted?

[jeansbff]

From the issue with Jean in the shadow form that I just posted?

Were there not other pics of her in shadow form in that issue...cable was standing behind her and she looked upset.

[Henry T.]

Were there not other pics of her in shadow form in that issue...cable was standing behind her and she looked upset.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/newmsgt/scan0023.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/newmsgt/scan0022.jpg

[jeansbff]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/newmsgt/scan0023.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/newmsgt/scan0022.jpg

Thanks henry t.