Dan Didio Finally answers why Power Girl will not be involved in New Krypton...

[CMBMOOL]

In his new 20 questions video on Newsarama.com, but my question is that do any of you believe it ?

http://www.newsarama.com/common/media/video/player.php?aid=32600

In my own opinion, I would just have a brief mention of the event and have the JSA cover for her and make up her origins in order to fool the press and the government, thereby giving them a reason not to hunt her down.

At that least it would make some sense.

I mean she is a part of the Superman Family, isn't she ? :frown:

[Ronin1108]

im a marvel guy 100% , but iw as under the impression she's superman's older cousin from an alternate universe?? If so i can see why she wouldn't be involved..

[gwydion]

Heh, you notice he didn't answer the part about a logical in-story reason?

I do get his argument about trying to make PG more than just another Supergirl, (though at this point, with 30 plus years of different continuity behind her I don't think that's a danger), and making her into a character who can stand on her own---but there doesn't seem to be anything that would exclude her from doing that in her own title, and also participating in NK. Nor did he say why being from another version of Krypton would make her not interested in this one.

I know if I suddenly wound up on an alien planet in another universe after my entire universe was destroyed, and found out there was an Earth there, with a version of at least one of my parents on it----I'd be interested in going there if I could.

So while I appreciate what they're trying to do with Power Girl, I don't really buy his explanation, or lack thereof. It doesn't seem like he expanded on what he's already said on the subject.

[gwydion]

im a marvel guy 100% , but iw as under the impression she's superman's older cousin from an alternate universe?? If so i can see why she wouldn't be involved..

She's younger than Superman.

[pad]

I think he should have just said "the writers of JSA and Power Girl are not interested in tying into that storyline." That would have been true. JSA has a lot going on, and the Power Girl series is a "fun comic" so the New Krypton story is probably too serious for that book.

If I am going to buy into the shared universe that DC wants us to believe is the backdrop for their stories, then something as big as a planet on the other side of Earth, populated by Kryptonians should have ramifications throughout the DCU let alone Power Girl. Would Power Girl, who had been searching for family for so long and even felt a strong connection to the Kingdom Come Superman, ignore a planet of people like herself, ruled by a version of her mother?

I don't see why Power Girl can't keep ties to the Superman books and still be her own unique character. She can have a sisterly relationship with Supergirl, be Superman's cousin, and still kick butt in the JSA and her solo book.

[dumbstruck]

As much as they might sometimes try to tie her into the Superman mythos, I've never once really thought of her as part of it. So the fact she's not included in New Krypton is a non-issue for me.

[Ilash]

I'm just really, really glad that one of my favourite DC titles isn't being tied into an event that I simply have very little interest in. I'm more than happy with Powergirl being her own thing.

[C. Earl]

As much as they might sometimes try to tie her into the Superman mythos, I've never once really thought of her as part of it. So the fact she's not included in New Krypton is a non-issue for me.
Same here. I never even considered the possibility that she would be involved in New Krypton myself...
:redface:

[gwydion]

But as it's been pointed out, you don't need to tie Power Girl or JSA into New Krypton---you can have Power Girl the character in the Superman books dealing with that stuff, while her own titles leave it alone.

[jAWSH!]

I absolutely agree with Dan. Divorcing Power Girl from the current Superman family will free her from her image as a Supergirl prototype.

Besides, with as many confusing and inconsistant stories as she has, she may be better off tied more closely to the JSA.

Even if someone decides to tell a story about Power Girl's thoughts on New Krypton, she can always say she's Arion's decendant. Or the mother of Equinox... :wink:

[IvCNuB4]

Why would Dan lie about this ? And it's not that he "finally" answered this. He said this same thing months ago just before "New Krypton" started ....

[Lemurion]

I never expected her to be involved. In many ways she's always walked apart from the "House of El," so why should this be any different? After all it's not her Krypton.

[CMBMOOL]

I absolutely agree with Dan. Divorcing Power Girl from the current Superman family will free her from her image as a Supergirl prototype.

Besides, with as many confusing and inconsistant stories as she has, she may be better off tied more closely to the JSA.

Even if someone decides to tell a story about Power Girl's thoughts on New Krypton, she can always say she's Arion's decendant. Or the mother of Equinox... :wink:

So even if they were to do that, just how would they explain the simliarties between PG's powers and the powers of Superman and Supergirl ?:frown:

[WorstThingUS]

I never expected her to be involved. In many ways she's always walked apart from the "House of El," so why should this be any different? After all it's not her Krypton.

That only serves to give the character all the depth of a saucer.

It's a nonsensical editorial dictate and when her book dies from low sales which could have been boosted by tying her in, I won't stop laughing.

[Doc Goblin]

I've been having a problem with this myself. I don't think connecting Power Girl to what's going on in the Superman franchise would do any harm to the uniqueness of her character, and I really don't think keeping her so separate helps any. Not acknowledging the global situation with Kryptonians right now just makes her seem disconnected and off on the fringe of the DCU. It wouldn't take some big tie-in story or anything. But some acknowledgement here and there would be nice.

[Spiffy]

As much as they might sometimes try to tie her into the Superman mythos, I've never once really thought of her as part of it. So the fact she's not included in New Krypton is a non-issue for me.

Except her entire origin was about Superman from Day 1. Even the revised origin was.

Not that she needs to be slavishly tied to Superman's franchise, its just weird to act like she never was. If she isn't anymore, at least lets be clear about it.

It would be like insisting that Donna Troy has nothing to do with Wonder Woman. Sure, that origin got twisted like a pretzel, and the character may be best served as apart from Wonder Woman, but there's very little sense in acting like it never existed.

[WorstThingUS]

It would be like insisting that Donna Troy has nothing to do with Wonder Woman. Sure, that origin got twisted like a pretzel, and the character may be best served as apart from Wonder Woman, but there's very little sense in acting like it never existed.

Thank you, dude. You said it better than I could through my fanboy irritation. It is like saying that Donna Troy wouldn't be involved in Amazons Attack because she was a Titans character.

[C. Earl]

But as it's been pointed out, you don't need to tie Power Girl or JSA into New Krypton---you can have Power Girl the character in the Superman books dealing with that stuff, while her own titles leave it alone.
That's exactly what I'm talking about.

[d newton]

Except her entire origin was about Superman from Day 1.
*headdesk* There's a big difference between being the cousin to E-2's Superman and the cousin to E-1's which is what Supergirl is.

[superchick]

*headdesk* There's a big difference between being the cousin to E-2's Superman and the cousin to E-1's which is what Supergirl is.

1) Earth 1 Supergirl is dead.
2) Beyond cup size and anger issues no there is not

[enediol]

I'm enjoying power girl so much I really don't care but I have a bad feeling the book's going to be canned before may.

[KET]

That only serves to give the character all the depth of a saucer.

Actually, the ONLY depth Power Girl has ever displayed as a character over the years has been in the amount of her cleavage. So it would only hurt her to suddenly make the character anything else by this point.


It's a nonsensical editorial dictate and when her book dies from low sales which could have been boosted by tying her in, I won't stop laughing.

Yeah, like all those Superman books are really burning up the sales charts these days with all those nonsensical crossover tie-ins. Such a wonder why PG isn't involved in this ongoing trainwreck. :wink:

[KET]

*headdesk* There's a big difference between being the cousin to E-2's Superman and the cousin to E-1's which is what Supergirl is.

Right, because there's.....wait a minute....oh, but there's...no that's not it....oh, but what about.....nahhh.....really NOTHING there to distinguish her as a separate entity. Time to face reality; outside of the rack, you've got nothin'.

[KET]

It would be like insisting that Donna Troy has nothing to do with Wonder Woman. Sure, that origin got twisted like a pretzel, and the character may be best served as apart from Wonder Woman,

...which is exactly why DC isn't making any pains to tie PG more closely in with Superman. Another, more obvious reason in Donna Troy's (and also Wonder Girl's) case is that Wonder Woman herself isn't exactly setting the sales charts on fire.

However, you've totally omitted a third reason, and that is Donna Troy has NEVER been popular enough to support an ongoing series. The character has always survived as a team player OUTSIDE of Wonder Woman's mythology, regardless of whatever it has changed into within the past week or month, etc.




but there's very little sense in acting like it never existed.

There's very little sense in acting like burying a character in yet MORE convoluted backstory is somehow going to make any difference.

But you guys keep trying anyway; I always find all this flailing around fairly amusing, kinda like the teabagger movement. :biggrin:

[WorstThingUS]

Actually, the ONLY depth Power Girl has ever displayed as a character over the years has been in the amount of her cleavage. So it would only hurt her to suddenly make the character anything else by this point.

You forgot she's always angry. Oh, I'm sorry, feisty.



Yeah, like all those Superman books are really burning up the sales charts these days with all those nonsensical crossover tie-ins. Such a wonder why PG isn't involved in this ongoing trainwreck. :wink:

They're all higher than her book, period. Mon-el and Zod's son are both beating her her.

[Vic Vega]

Other than Detective Comics which shouldn't even count and BOP, since when have books with a female lead sold well?

[WorstThingUS]

Other than Detective Comics which shouldn't even count and BOP, since when have books with a female lead sold well?

Fine. We'll make it relative. Supergirl, who is ostensibly the same character, is outselling her. Batgirl which lacks any sort of star power creative team, but is firmly tied into the Bat-verse is not only outselling her, but doing better on her her fourth issue than Power Girl was on her fourth issue by at least 2K.

This was a dumb decision from a creative standpoint as well as financial one.

[Vic Vega]

Fine. We'll make it relative. Supergirl, who is ostensibly the same character, is outselling her. Batgirl which lacks any sort of star power creative team, but is firmly tied into the Bat-verse is not only outselling her, but doing better on her her fourth issue than Power Girl was on her fourth issue by at least 2K.

This was a dumb decision from a creative standpoint as well as financial one.

But the New Krypton storyline has hurt even the sales of Supergirl. All of the S-titles have done significantly worse since that thing started.

Sales-wise it'd probably be the final nail in the books coffin.

Storywise, Peegee's book is actually fun.

New Krypton I'm only reading out of dogged determination. I think I've only enjoyed 3 issues of itso far.

So I'm not seeing the advantge here

[WorstThingUS]

But the New Krypton storyline has hurt even the sales of Supergirl. All of the S-titles have done significantly worse since that thing started.

Sales-wise it'd probably be the final nail in the books coffin.

Storywise, Peegee's book is actually fun.

New Krypton I'm only reading out of dogged determination. I think I've only enjoyed 3 issues of itso far.

So I'm not seeing the advantge here

It's still higher than it was before the new creative team took over. I think it's not New Krypton per se as it is the freaking length of New Krypton. I think it's a six issue story that's been needlessly dragged out to 12 issues and because of it her character has essentially stood still for a year until its finish.

But all the books are still higher than PG.

[gwydion]

I don't think New Krypton has hurt Supergirl sales at all. Rather, I think they've propped up the sales of a naturally low selling book; keeping them from deteriorating at the faster rate both Power Girl and Wonder Woman are.

[FemGeek]

Unsuprisingly another poorly thought out 'reason' from Dan. The reasons for PG to be involved in some small way in WONK far outweigh the reasons for her not to be. It doesnt have to take up entire storylines, it dosent have to encroach upon PGs own book, and it would be very interesting to see the characterisation that would be nvolved in such a storyline. DC dont want PG to be a member of the Superman family and DiDio has given us reasons why he thinks she shouldnt be involved. But what about in continuity? PG cant just ignore it. Thats pretty lazy on DCs part. It's a shame they're not going to bother exploring what could be a very interesting story and a great character moment for PG.

[Vic Vega]

Didn't Kara escape her Krypton as a baby?

How much nostalgia is she supposed to have for a people she's never seen as an adult and aren't really her people anyway.

Peegee is pretty well estabiihed and sucessful in both her chosen professions. her alienation issues were dispensed with in infinte crisis. To her New Krypton is probably just another planet.

[FemGeek]

Didn't Kara escape her Krypton as a baby?

How much nostalgia is she supposed to have for a people she's never seen as an adult and aren't really her people anyway.

Peegee is pretty well estabiihed and sucessful in both her chosen professions. her alienation issues were dispensed with in infinte crisis. To her New Krypton is probably just another planet.

She was raised to 18 years of age by a programme that replicated life on Krypton, which means she bascially grew up on Krypton with her family. That is why she would have some ammount of interest in another Krypton.

In JSA she grew clolse to Kal-El 22, even though she knew he wasnt her cousin. And he grew close to her. They still considered each other as family. Seeing him brought back alot of memories for her, painful ones, soomething she couldnt ignore. Now DC are saying she'd ignore these other Kryptonians-dosent really make sense.

[another_version]

The Power Girl ongoing does not have to tie-in into NK, it just would've been nice to see her make a cameo in an episode. It almost seems as if DD was not confident in PG as a character, because he was afraid of having her being another Supergirl.

[CBikle]

I guess if you had to rationalize it (in-story), you could argue that:

1 PG was not heavily-involved with the New Krypton storyline because she deliberately is avoiding getting tangled up with it because of the emotionally painful aspects of running into counterparts of friends & family of her Krypton.

2 General Lane deliberately chose to not involve her in his war on Superman/Krypton because of the potential messiness of getting a respected group like the JSA involved (especially guys like Alan Scott, Mr. Terrific and Mr. Bones, who all have high-ranking govt. connections, not to mention wildcard powerhouses like Dr. Fate & the Spectre).

[WorstThingUS]

I guess if you had to rationalize it (in-story), you could argue that:

1 PG was not heavily-involved with the New Krypton storyline because she deliberately is avoiding getting tangled up with it because of the emotionally painful aspects of running into counterparts of friends & family of her Krypton.

2 General Lane deliberately chose to not involve her in his war on Superman/Krypton because of the potential messiness of getting a respected group like the JSA involved (especially guys like Alan Scott, Mr. Terrific and Mr. Bones, who all have high-ranking govt. connections, not to mention wildcard powerhouses like Dr. Fate & the Spectre).

Exactly. And this would have taken all of an issue? For Sam Lane a single panel? Sigh. It's just a sad, weak development.

[gwydion]

I guess if you had to rationalize it (in-story), you could argue that:

1 PG was not heavily-involved with the New Krypton storyline because she deliberately is avoiding getting tangled up with it because of the emotionally painful aspects of running into counterparts of friends & family of her Krypton.

2 General Lane deliberately chose to not involve her in his war on Superman/Krypton because of the potential messiness of getting a respected group like the JSA involved (especially guys like Alan Scott, Mr. Terrific and Mr. Bones, who all have high-ranking govt. connections, not to mention wildcard powerhouses like Dr. Fate & the Spectre).

Well, after the KC storyline, they'd have to actually SHOW Power Girl avoiding NK for that reason---develop the character in that direction, as it contradicts her actions in KC/Gog.

[CBikle]

Well, after the KC storyline, they'd have to actually SHOW Power Girl avoiding NK for that reason---develop the character in that direction, as it contradicts her actions in KC/Gog.

Actually, a repeat of her travel to "Earth 2" is exactly the kind of painful "not really my home" kind of interaction she'd want to avoid, so PG avoiding the similar "New Krypton" situation makes perfect sense.

[gwydion]

Actually, a repeat of her travel to "Earth 2" is exactly the kind of painful "not really my home" kind of interaction she'd want to avoid, so PG avoiding the similar "New Krypton" situation makes perfect sense.

The difference being that she thought Earth-2 actually was her home, right up until another Power Girl showed up. There's no danger of that with New Krypton; where she knows what's what, and won't be faced with an exact double of herself.

[fly on the wall]

Same here. I never even considered the possibility that she would be involved in New Krypton myself...
:redface:

I remember there was some issue of the New Krypton saga where she was teamed up with a collection of other Earth super heroes resisting the New Kryptonians. During the fight she thought to herself something like, "Just keep telling yourself these aren't your people, just keep telling yourself these aren't your people."

So it has already been established that PG has a strong and painful empathy with the New Kryptonians.

So there.

I don't think the connection between PG and NK should just be casually ignored the way you do, and I don't think it's over between PG and NK.

[ShaunN]

I think that I agree with Didio's editorial decision - PG is really fun book (I enjoy it far more than any of the other "Superman" titles) and it makes sense to keep the book and the character in its own space.

However, I think that the internal logic of doing this doesn't make a lot of sense. I can appreciate an argument that says that PG does not have much feeling for the Kryptonians of this universe. I can even see an argument where she would want to avoid them precisely because they feed her sense of alienation, i.e., enhance her idea that she really does not fit in. She might even feel that she is an intruder, given that her versions of her parents are long -gone and the people who are the closest analogues are the parents of Supergirl. For those reasons, avoiding them and the other Kryptonians makes sense. But I don't think that it would have been difficult to simply make these points clear in one of the Superman titles or in PG's own book. At least then it would not have seemed as though someone who should be involved in the New Krypton storyline was, instead, being studiously and illogically ignored.

[gwydion]

So Power Girl dropped 15 places behind Wonder Woman in the December Diamond charts to #95, far behind Supergirl which is dropping far more slowly, perhaps due to the title's involvement in WONK.

So how's that bit about keeping Power Girl out of the Superman Family and out of New Krypton working out for you, Dan?

[C. Earl]

Originally Posted by Shameless Fanboy
Same here. I never even considered the possibility that she would be involved in New Krypton myself...


I remember there was some issue of the New Krypton saga where she was teamed up with a collection of other Earth super heroes resisting the New Kryptonians. During the fight she thought to herself something like, "Just keep telling yourself these aren't your people, just keep telling yourself these aren't your people."

So it has already been established that PG has a strong and painful empathy with the New Kryptonians.

So there.

I don't think the connection between PG and NK should just be casually ignored the way you do, and I don't think it's over between PG and NK.
And this changes my feeling...how again?
:confused:

Oh, that's right. It doesn't.

So there.

[FunkyGreenJerusalem]

So how's that bit about keeping Power Girl out of the Superman Family and out of New Krypton working out for you, Dan?

I'd say pretty good - he's not padding out an already over padded event any more, and he's not forcing Power Girls fans to have to constantly re-read about her convoluted origin over and over and over again.

Nothing interesting AT ALL could come from her being involved in New Krypton - her creative team doesn't want her there, the Superman teams don't want her there, and I dare say her JSA writers don't want her there - there's about four people on the net who seem to think it'd be a great idea.

I think Didio would side with everyone else and think 'well, it could've helped her series, but it would also have clunked down a story, and forced people who didn't want to read about her to have to read about her'.

[M. Bushbug]

*headdesk* There's a big difference between being the cousin to E-2's Superman and the cousin to E-1's which is what Supergirl is.Yes. She is related to a different Superman. Which is to say she is related to Superman.

[I Equal Ratings]

Buffy the Vampire Slayer.


Other than Detective Comics which shouldn't even count and BOP, since when have books with a female lead sold well?

[WorstThingUS]

I'd say pretty good - he's not padding out an already over padded event any more, and he's not forcing Power Girls fans to have to constantly re-read about her convoluted origin over and over and over again.

Nothing interesting AT ALL could come from her being involved in New Krypton - her creative team doesn't want her there, the Superman teams don't want her there, and I dare say her JSA writers don't want her there - there's about four people on the net who seem to think it'd be a great idea.

I think Didio would side with everyone else and think 'well, it could've helped her series, but it would also have clunked down a story, and forced people who didn't want to read about her to have to read about her'.

As opposed to the people who clearly aren't reading about her now? Crossovers aren't still used because they don't have a degree of success. WONK could have opened her up to people who clearly have no intention of buying her without some provocation.

[FunkyGreenJerusalem]

As opposed to the people who clearly aren't reading it now?

So it's better to have people reading a book people they don't want to, in order to follow a story they do want to read, than have people spending that cash on books they do want to read?

[WorstThingUS]

So it's better to have people reading a book people they don't want to, in order to follow a story they do want to read, than have people spending that cash on books they do want to read?

It's better to follow the internal logic of your characters, period. Which in this case meant at least a brief crossover possibly adding fans to a book that's shedding readers.

[I Equal Ratings]

She knows Kal and the 'Torso have it covered with New Krypton... She has her own problems like dealing with that jerkass magog in the All New All Different JSA~!, and fraggin Ultra-Humanite trying to trade brains or whatever with her. Her plate is mad full.

[KET]

It's better to follow the internal logic of your characters, period. Which in this case meant at least a brief crossover possibly adding fans to a book that's shedding readers.


Newsflash for you: they're ALL shedding readers. The only folks who would benefit from having PG in New Krypton is YOU and the small handful here, who keep hammering away at the ridiculous notion that AN ALREADY FAILING CROSSOVER would somehow be better off with YET ANOTHER FAILING BOOK being attached to it. Do the math sometime.

[FunkyGreenJerusalem]

It's better to follow the internal logic of your characters, period. Which in this case meant at least a brief crossover possibly adding fans to a book that's shedding readers.

There's no internal logic to Power Girl... she's total company based logic.

And the internal logic, which we've gone over before, is that she's moving on with her life, realising her past universe is gone, and so now she has to keep moving forwards.

And heck, you don't even like her current book - why would you want it tied in?

[FunkyGreenJerusalem]

And if her book is shedding readers... why put her in the crossover?

It didn't save Manhunter, or Captain Britain, or zillions of titles that have gone out of their way to get in crossovers.

There is no proof that apart from maybe having a minor one or two month bump, that'd it would achieve anything.

[WorstThingUS]

Newsflash for you: they're ALL shedding readers. The only folks who would benefit from having PG in New Krypton is YOU and the small handful here, who keep hammering away at the ridiculous notion that AN ALREADY FAILING CROSSOVER would somehow be better off with YET ANOTHER FAILING BOOK being attached to it. Do the math sometime.

You mean the math that shows every single WONK book is selling better than her (even as their sales drop because they've dragged this out too long)? Thanks, I did that already.


There's no internal logic to Power Girl... she's total company based logic.

And the internal logic, which we've gone over before, is that she's moving on with her life, realising her past universe is gone, and so now she has to keep moving forwards.

And heck, you don't even like her current book - why would you want it tied in?

It's just annoying non-logic in comics that bothers me. I don't like Batgirl or Sirens of Gotham either, but if there were some mega-Bat-crossover and they weren't involved under some dumb dictate of "We're trying to establish them" it would annoy me there too.

And I didn't necessarily want PG in every single chapter, but the the "Oh, she just doesn't care" doesn't speak to anyone trying to realize a fully fleshed out character. If she'd visited New Krypton just once to meet Zor-El and Alura and found it too painful or so different from her life (simulated life, actually) she felt no attachment, none of these threads or posts harping on it would exist because that would make some degree of sense. Though Sam Lane letting her slide never will.


And if her book is shedding readers... why put her in the crossover?

It didn't save Manhunter, or Captain Britain, or zillions of titles that have gone out of their way to get in crossovers.

There is no proof that apart from maybe having a minor one or two month bump, that'd it would achieve anything.

You've a valid point, but I only bring that up when people insist it wouldn't have done PG some good, when it probably would have, albeit for only an issue.

But it's all over but the shouting and we'll have to fine something new in War of the Superman to endlessly complain about. I'm sure they will give us something.

[Kage Kisaragi]

I agree with Dan, she doesn't belong to this Superman family. The one that is relevent to the current DCU. She like he said is from a different time/universe which doesn't have the same connections that this one does. The Kara of the present grew up on krypton, had a established family, but PG didn't really have that, all her experiences up until landing on earth were false.

Also her only relative is dead, a superman who was much older than the one we got now, he whom himself was different than the one he have in terms of his personality. How that may have shaped Karens perceptions has yet to be fully explored beyond her wanting to be her own kind of hero.

Karen doesn't suffer from not being a part of the major superman stories at the moment, she suffers from people not going beyond her big boobs in order to read more about the character, this kind of happens in world as well.

[Constantine Drakon]

If they absolutely have to keep her out of this, it's easy enough to no-prize a solution. It hurts a lot to see something that's almost-but-not-quite her home, complete with someone that's hauntingly similar to her dead mother.

That said, the argument that she doesn't "belong" to the Superman family is hogwash. She's known "our" Superman longer than Steel, the current Supergirl, or Kon.

[FunkyGreenJerusalem]

That said, the argument that she doesn't "belong" to the Superman family is hogwash. She's known "our" Superman longer than Steel, the current Supergirl, or Kon.

Well, Supergirl is his cousin, and Conner his clone... so they belong more regardless of how long someone not sharing his genes would have.

Steel isn't particularly a massive part of the Superman family - I wouldn't consider him part anymore.

PG however... she doesn't really belong.
She was another Superman's cousin.

[WorstThingUS]

Well, Supergirl is his cousin, and Conner his clone... so they belong more regardless of how long someone not sharing his genes would have.

Steel isn't particularly a massive part of the Superman family - I wouldn't consider him part anymore.

That red cape, home in Metropolis, recent appearances in Superman and large "S" on his chest suggests differently.


PG however... she doesn't really belong.
She was another Superman's cousin.

Which is to say she's Superman's cousin and even he calls her that.

[gwydion]

That red cape, home in Metropolis, recent appearances in Superman and large "S" on his chest suggests differently.



Which is to say she's Superman's cousin and even he calls her that.

Good point. When even Superman calls her his cousin...

[FunkyGreenJerusalem]

Good point. When even Superman calls her his cousin...

... you know there continuity is screwed up and shouldn't be mentioned again?

She's not the child of his uncle and aunty.

That's just him being nice.

[Kage Kisaragi]

If they absolutely have to keep her out of this, it's easy enough to no-prize a solution. It hurts a lot to see something that's almost-but-not-quite her home, complete with someone that's hauntingly similar to her dead mother.

That said, the argument that she doesn't "belong" to the Superman family is hogwash. She's known "our" Superman longer than Steel, the current Supergirl, or Kon.

so has batman, does that mean Batman should brandish a S symbol on his chesst. Knowing someone and being a actual part of that persons family is a totally different thing. no matter how close you maybe (and this come from personal experience.) your not blood relatives.. the fact that shes from an entirely different reality just makes it even more of an issue as to why she shouldn't be there, for all we know her krypton was nothing like Clark's or Kara's not to mention she never really knew it, even if she could see her own original krypton.. Power Girl is very much like Superman in that she never really knew Krypton, only had some artifical version inside some simulator she got to experience while on her trip to Earth. I don't really think that counts, especially since she knows it wasn't real.

To extrapolate myself into her shoes, I wouldn't even consider myself a Kryptonian, cause i never really knew the place. She has gotten to know earth though, and thats through her own experiences, that counts a lot more to a person than reading a book or watching a video about a place you've never known, but have some faint connection to such as "I was born there."

Again on the subject whether or not shes a part of the Superman family, she doesn't have to be, thats what makes her different than Kara. Her Superman, her cousin is dead. Her universe moves on without here being there, and has replaced her. She has no tether to this Superman other than they have similar powers and weaknesses. Why bother from a writer point of view to try and strap her own with that burden again, its been done, and is currently being done.

In her own book, you might get away with introducing where she came from but at this point im under the opinion that DC started it the way they did as a spin off of JSA, and assumed that those who knew her already would be the target audience buying her book, and that if new readers wanted to jump on, they did so because they read about her appearances else where and did the leg work to find out her origins if not purchase those old stories.

[WorstThingUS]

so has batman, does that mean Batman should brandish a S symbol on his chesst.

That comparison makes zero sense otherwise given well, her entire history. Is Batman from Krypton, any Krypton? Have Superman's exact powers, any Superman's? Raised briefly by Superman, any Superman? Was he identified by Superman as his successor? No, no, no and no.

[gwydion]

... you know there continuity is screwed up and shouldn't be mentioned again?

She's not the child of his uncle and aunty.

That's just him being nice.

Or perhaps he really feels that way.

On to the matter of just how PG feels about HER Krypton. I think people don't quite get how she was raised. From the pre-COIE issue that dealt with her ship extensively, the experience seems to be akin to that a Black Mercy would provide you with. In other words, it would seem very real to whoever underwent it. And it would giver her much more a feeling of connection to her Krypton than Superman would have to his Krypton.

[Kage Kisaragi]

That comparison makes zero sense otherwise given well, her entire history. Is Batman from Krypton, any Krypton? Have Superman's exact powers, any Superman's? Raised briefly by Superman, any Superman? Was he identified by Superman as his successor? No, no, no and no.

neither was Steel but i do remember that comparison being made.

[Kage Kisaragi]

Or perhaps he really feels that way.

On to the matter of just how PG feels about HER Krypton. I think people don't quite get how she was raised. From the pre-COIE issue that dealt with her ship extensively, the experience seems to be akin to that a Black Mercy would provide you with. In other words, it would seem very real to whoever underwent it. And it would giver her much more a feeling of connection to her Krypton than Superman would have to his Krypton.

It's still NOT REAL. Nor does it make it similar to the New Krypton like world the remaining Kryptonians have made. Its like having been raised in New York during the 1960's... then waking up and finding its the year 2010. Just because the folks are similar, doesn't make it the same home you grew up in. Lets examine power girl for a second in comparison to superman.

1.) She did not build an entire fortress in the image of her krypton.
2.) She to my knowledge doesn't even speak kryptonian. Her krypton spoke english for all we know as she spoke to Clark in english upon her first meeting with him.
3.) I have never seen her reflect on her supposed kryptonian upbringing or drawing comparisons on how krypton would have handled various situations.
4.) She doesn't seem to feel Earth needs her supposed kryptonian well-spring of knowledge to further itself either.

Also the idea of forcing characters into stories and roles because of similarities seems odd. Captain Marvel is similar to Superman to, maybe he should visit new krypton as a foreign exchange hero, we can get superman back full time and they get a guy that is very similar. Just because her origins are tied to yes A Superman, doesn't mean the rest of her life, storywise must revolve around everything kryptonian. The idea is to make her more than just "Superman's cousin from another reality/universe. Here to do exactly what he and are Supergirl doing but just a bit older than Supergirl and with more curves."

[gwydion]

It's still NOT REAL. Nor does it make it similar to the New Krypton like world the remaining Kryptonians have made. Its like having been raised in New York during the 1960's... then waking up and finding its the year 2010. Just because the folks are similar, doesn't make it the same home you grew up in. Lets examine power girl for a second in comparison to superman.

1.) She did not build an entire fortress in the image of her krypton.
2.) She to my knowledge doesn't even speak kryptonian. Her krypton spoke english for all we know as she spoke to Clark in english upon her first meeting with him.
3.) I have never seen her reflect on her supposed kryptonian upbringing or drawing comparisons on how krypton would have handled various situations.
4.) She doesn't seem to feel Earth needs her supposed kryptonian well-spring of knowledge to further itself either.

Also the idea of forcing characters into stories and roles because of similarities seems odd. Captain Marvel is similar to Superman to, maybe he should visit new krypton as a foreign exchange hero, we can get superman back full time and they get a guy that is very similar. Just because her origins are tied to yes A Superman, doesn't mean the rest of her life, storywise must revolve around everything kryptonian. The idea is to make her more than just "Superman's cousin from another reality/universe. Here to do exactly what he and are Supergirl doing but just a bit older than Supergirl and with more curves."

Saying it's not real misses the point. From the character's perspective it would have seemed real. And the rest of it goes to the fact that very little has yet been written about the character herself, or her world. Which is more a function of the fact that she's had two different origins in her publishing history, and that she's been until last year solely a team book character.

For all we know, her Krypton could be a mirror image of New Krypton. Or it might be totally different. We just don't know yet. Putting her in NK would have been one opportunity to explore that. And I would think that a father who saw fit to have her taught 6,000 languages by her ship would have seen to it that Kryptonian would have been one of them...

It would also have been an opportunity to showcase the differences between SG and PG. Putting them side by side and comparing and contrasting them might have done just that. But it's a moot point since it isn't going to happen.

[FunkyGreenJerusalem]

Saying it's not real misses the point. From the character's perspective it would have seemed real. And the rest of it goes to the fact that very little has yet been written about the character herself, or her world. Which is more a function of the fact that she's had two different origins in her publishing history, and that she's been until last year solely a team book character.

It sounds about as exciting as a mid-90's Spider-Clone storyline, from when marketing put that event's pay off on hold to sell more books.

Why would you, as a fan of the character, want more on her past, rather than letting her move on into the future?



It would also have been an opportunity to showcase the differences between SG and PG. Putting them side by side and comparing and contrasting them might have done just that. But it's a moot point since it isn't going to happen.

You need them side by side to do that?

Seriously?

[WorstThingUS]

It sounds about as exciting as a mid-90's Spider-Clone storyline, from when marketing put that event's pay off on hold to sell more books.

Why would you, as a fan of the character, want more on her past, rather than letting her move on into the future?

Except you know Spider-man's history in detail. After 70 years we know zip about the Krypton that both PG and Kal-L came from. Not to mention her orign has been retconned so now Lois and Clark were surrogate parents to her, which has never been part of it before. All unexplored. One single issue detailing it isn't a lot to ask and the World of New Krypton was the perfect story to do it organically.


You need them side by side to do that?

Seriously?

And we know why PG and Supergirl have distinctly differently personas while the Supermen had pretty much the exact same persona why now?

[FunkyGreenJerusalem]

And we know why PG and Supergirl have distinctly differently personas while the Supermen had pretty much the exact same persona why now?

Because one is from the Earth-2 universe, and one isn't.

Why do Earth-1 and Earth-2 Supermen have different personalities?
Because they are different takes on the same character.

[WorstThingUS]

Because one is from the Earth-2 universe, and one isn't.

If only we could all be so undemanding in the products we pay for.

[FunkyGreenJerusalem]

If only we could all be so undemanding in the products we pay for.

If given story/adventure is good and consistent within itself - what more do you need?

[WorstThingUS]

If given story/adventure is good and consistent within itself - what more do you need?

Um, depth of character? What heroes do is usually connected to where they came from. Everything Superman or Batman do can be traced to their origins. Why does Power Girl, who was not raised on earth or as a human do what she does?