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brettc1
12-24-2009, 05:17 AM
I know there are threads discussing all the issue individually, but I thought it might be interesting to now discuss the arc as a whole.

Having said that, where to begin?

For me, I think the strong parts of the storyline were the beginning and end, the first and last issues, with the last part definitely the best.

As an issue in itself, I thought the first part was well written. Of course that's because Tom plays such a large part of it. :redface: Oddly, I think looking back that makes the issue seem a bit unbalanced - the main action to lead into Warkiller does not start til about two thirds of the way in, and so there is a sense of that sequence seeming rushed. Looking at it it might have been better to have a third part of the Dinah and Diana storyline where Black Canary took on the friend in need roll assumed by Giganta and listens to the story of Tom and Diana's unravelling relationship. That would have done more to cement the friendship between the two heroes, and still left some space to tease us with Zeus' summons and Achilles prepartions for this mission, and maybe even some of his learning about Amazon mating rituals. But the cliffhanger ending with Diana confronted with the threat to her mother was a good hook.

For me, though, the second & third parts of the story, the middle act I guess you would say, lost some momentum. While the writing of the scenes with Alkyone and Achilles did a lot to build her up, Achilles throughout was a bit of a non entity until this last installment. Zeus in 39 describes him a fierce, but for most of the story he is more accuratly described as henpecked. Certainly he never seemed a remotely credible physical threat to Wonder Woman, which was a bit disappointing.

While it was good to see Ares again in issue 37, Diana's own actions seem a bit hit and miss. Ares basically double dares her to fly to Themyscira, which she does in spite of the fact that her mother has been held hostage against her taking any action. The scene with recovering Donna from Genocide's grip was touching, but confronted by the hostage situation that she already knows exists Diana seems to have no plan whatsoever beyond to stare openmouthed while her weapons are taken from her. She then mopes in a cell while Artemis and Donna run around doing stuff - and incentally did we ever find out why Donna was vital to Alkyone's plan?

The last issue was pretty good, and as I said earlier for me the best of the four. Using the Cottus was a great tie in with earlier parts of the re-imagined [not retconned :wink: ] origin story, Ares gets to be nasty, and there are some wonderful moments like the Amazons ignoring the rebels completely because they are totally commited to saving Diana. The action is big, might have even have deserved one more splash or even double page spread of Diana and the others fighting Cottus underwater, with D's internal monologue spread across the art. I liked the exchanges between Cottus and Diana, and the final parts of the fight where the monster crashes through the bridge were very cinematic :smile:

Making up a lot for his previous mediocre performances, Achilles almost outshines Diana in the final battle sequences as he is shot, cut, and impaled, and still keeps coming at Alkyone and her posse. We get a lot explained about the gods and the Ichor, though it seemed odd for Zeus to be expounding to Athena, who of course already knew the whole story. Maybe if he had been talking to Hippolyta just pror to her rescue that sequence would have read a bit more organically. After all, Hippy had chosen her gods over her daughter and so that conversation between the two where he explains his own feelings of failure would have seemed very natural to me, and lead nicely into her confronting him with the other Amazons to side with Diana at the end.

The affirmation of what leadership really is was something I liked, and highlights what I think has always been Diana's greatest power, if with her new lightning bolts - her ability to motivate, inspire, and unite others. I thought that was a nice bit of symmetry with the dream sequence in the Black Horizon, where a soulless Diana rules absolutely, and Black Canary's comment that she is the hero that other heroes look to as a guide and role model. Diana the leader is something that Gail seems to be exploring and I think that is well worth pursuing.

Killing Ares does seem to have been a waste of a perfectly good axe :tongue:

Overall I would give this story arc a C+. It tied up a lot of loose threads, but I have to say honestly that I felt that it did not quite live up to its potential. A bit more insight into how the rest of the world veiwed the Thalarion threat would have been nice, and made the last half of the arc, which is all on Themyscira, seem less confining. Diana ends by coming into her own again, but that seems to be happening a lot lately. Hopefully this reassembled Diana has used a bit stronger glue and will keep it together for a while now as Ares plan and continues to unfold.

brettc1
12-25-2009, 04:47 PM
Apparently my opinions have become so definitive that no one dare comment :tongue:

That being the case, Tom should return to the book at once. Shirt optional.:biggrin:

Themysciranprince
12-25-2009, 05:26 PM
Apparently my opinions have become so definitive that no one dare comment :tongue:

That being the case, Tom should return to the book at once. Shirt optional.:biggrin:
http://209.85.48.11/13592/64/emo/Yazzo_Arrgh%21.png

Gail Simone
12-25-2009, 06:05 PM
Apparently my opinions have become so definitive that no one dare comment :tongue:

That being the case, Tom should return to the book at once. Shirt optional.:biggrin:

I'll take a look when I'm not getting the evil eye. :)

brettc1
12-25-2009, 06:08 PM
I'll take a look when I'm not getting the evil eye. :)

If it's a look at Tom without a shirt, take pictures and post them here.

Oh God, I need help :redface:

Atomcrush
12-25-2009, 06:13 PM
If it's a look at Tom without a shirt, take pictures and post them here.

Oh God, I need help :redface:

Does your wife know you have thoughts like this?

brettc1
12-25-2009, 07:30 PM
Does your wife know you have thoughts like this?

She does. I explained it to her by saying "Tom looks just like Justin Hartely [Green Arrow] on Smallville."

She thought about if for a moment, and said "Okay, fair enough."

Themysciranprince
12-25-2009, 08:07 PM
Hmmmmmm, .......interesting these individuals of an Advanced Culture from Down Under.

Brett, here is my belated Christmas present!!!!

http://socialitelife.celebuzz.com/bfm_gallery/2009/06/justin_hartley_goes_shirtless_for_spring_breakdown/gallery_main/gallery_main-spring-breakdown09.jpg

brettc1
12-26-2009, 07:30 AM
Hmmmmmm, .......interesting these individuals of an Advanced Culture from Down Under.

Brett, here is my belated Christmas present!!!!

http://socialitelife.celebuzz.com/bfm_gallery/2009/06/justin_hartley_goes_shirtless_for_spring_breakdown/gallery_main/gallery_main-spring-breakdown09.jpg

He he he.

Springbreak, eh? Must be a capture from the "Amazons Go Wild" vid

Atomcrush
12-26-2009, 08:12 AM
Hmmmmmm, .......interesting these individuals of an Advanced Culture from Down Under.

Brett, here is my belated Christmas present!!!!

http://socialitelife.celebuzz.com/bfm_gallery/2009/06/justin_hartley_goes_shirtless_for_spring_breakdown/gallery_main/gallery_main-spring-breakdown09.jpg

C'mere you....

Tardis Tipper
12-27-2009, 06:04 AM
I've tried to keep my negativity under my hat because I just felt icky saying anything bad right before Christmas.

I think it's a damn pity Themyscirianprince's thread started on such an aggressively confrontational note, because I think This Review (http://www.weeklycrisis.com/2009/07/wonder-woman-rise-of-olympian-where-it.html) actually made a few good points. Which isn't to say I agree with all of it, but there are certainly parts I agree with.

For example


The Manazons -
In fact, at one point they barge into the U.N., tell the world they are going to end all war and then nobody does anything! That's how unimportant they are to the story.

I have to agree that the overall lack of world reaction to Achilles' ultimatum is a major glaring flaw in the story. I can only imagine what the UN Deligates said when he left.

"Who the heck was that guy?"
"Who cares? In the last couple years Black Adam killed a whole country, destroyed the U.S. Navy, and wrecked Sydney Australia, before going on a global rampage, an army of evil robots and yellow versions of Green Lantern invaded, a small army of Kryptonian criminals successfully took over the world, an even bigger army of Kryptonians decided to set up shop on the other side of the sun, on "New Krypton," the Sun got snuffed out, a Kryptonite meteor almost destroyed the planet, there was a simultaneous jailbreak of every prison in America, hundreds of thousands of people died in Bludhaven, Cheshire nuked Qurac, Amazons invaded America and set Kansas on fire, Spectre killed every man woman and child in Vlatava, Gorilla Grodd destroyed Kinhasa, Africa's third-largest city, some immortal madman caused global dyzlexia, America sent all its prisoners off to another planet, San Diego sank and its citizens turned waterbreathing, Gotham has suffered earthquakes mob wars and deadly virus outbreaks to the point of being declared a No Man's Land, The Brotherhood of Evil set off a nuke in Russia, President Luthor went crazy, President Knight turned out to be an evil robot, some body-hopping weirdo kept trying to assassinate the next set of presidential candidates (who were probably evil anyway), we've repelled about a billion alien invasions, and an evil witch turned every man in New York into an animal for a while... just off the top of my head.

This guy knocked a hole in a wall to the U.N. and yelled some crap, defeated some utterly unimpressive guards, and sank one boat, apparently after getting all the crew off first. Compared to all the other stuff to go on lately, this guy's tirade doesn't even qualify as an eventful Tuesday! We'll react when he does something impressive."

I'm being a bit silly, but hopefully it gets my point across.

The Gargareans never felt like much of a threat, and never did anything particularly impressive in my eyes. They felt woefully unequipped to deal with the sorts of opposition they'd have to face due to their mission. And he lack of reaction from the U.N. made it feel like the people of the DCU agreed with me. It's like they were saying "we've got bigger problems, we'll deal with you later."

Another thing I agree with is that the Katrina and 9/11 comparisons felt incredibly hollow. Sorry, but from what we saw, Genocide killed maybe a couple of hundred people at most (mostly in the mini-mall), compared to the thousands of people killed in those tragedies. And, to be honest, Genocide's rampages never felt like they were all that bad compared to what the DCU seems to go through every few months.

As for Genocide... I just didn't like Genocide.

Raising some points that Weekly Crisis ignored, I never felt any sense of real urgency from what Alkyone or Cottus were doing, and I really didn't buy them as major villains. Alkyone was an unimposing villain. She had personality, I'll give her that. But she wasn't remotely strong (even with Genocide's strength she seemed unremarkable), and she wasn't very bright. She was just lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time while other people were being very stupid. Any danger she presented was due to other people leaving openings you could drive a mack truck true. It's realistic - sometimes stupid and normally insignificant people cause huge problems due to the incompetence of people in power - but it doesn't make her impressive. As for Cottus, someone in another thread put it best saying the most damage he did was when he was used as a blunt weapon. He seemed like a trivial threat to me.

When it comes to the gods, I'm a fan of Diana having faith. I enjoyed how Rucka had the gods change to be more worthy of that faith. I was extremely disappointed when that superb work was undone (stupid stupid editorial), and I'm afraid what's happened since then has been like salt in the wound. I don't like the gods' new look. I don't like the "space gods" stuff. I don't like how Zeus has been characterized, I don't like undead Athena and Ares, and I really hated all the references to Countdown and Amazons Attack in the latest issue, along with Zeus' "redemption". I did like Kane and Pele, and frankly, as much as I love Diana having faith, and as much as I've liked the Grecoroman stuff in the past, I'd be quite happy if Zeus' entire pantheon vanished into a deep hole for the next few years, replaced by Kane's lot.

Just not a hole in space. I really can't stand "Greek Gods in Spaaaaaaaaaaaaace!"

nightforce
12-27-2009, 10:37 AM
Ok Demon, prepare to be beheaded!!!:wink: