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ProfeZZor X
12-09-2009, 01:30 PM
A vaguely serious thread for a change (not), the thought occured to me in the Iceman appreciation thread by a newly appreciating fan of the character - that it was his lasting impression that Emma Frost's intervention in taking over Iceman's body is in part responsible for the lack of self-confidence stigma he's had in regards to the broad usage of his powers in the x-books.

They are both strong characters, equally with unique powersets on their own. However, I wondered whether or not the writer or Marvel had any indication on the long-lasting effect it would have on the history of the character, and how it would forever remain as one of the most concrete and identifiable events associated with the character.

Of course being a fan myself I do find it disturbing. And sure, you can say this comes off a bit as a rant and I should leave well enough alone, since its in history books now. But who cares... I was bored, and thought I'd get your opinion on whether or not you thought it was an event that should or should not have taken place in Uncanny #311 - #314. And whether or not you think it's had any lasting effect or changed your view of either character...
Pixie_Solanas
12-09-2009, 01:33 PM
It'd be awesome if his member chipped off whilst in ice mode. And he lost it forever.
Bronze Badger
12-09-2009, 01:34 PM
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Home made ectoplasm
12-09-2009, 01:34 PM
Personally, I blame ProfeZZor X for ruining Iceman's reputation, I thought he was OK until I discovered CBR
Pach!
12-09-2009, 01:39 PM
Personally, I blame ProfeZZor X for ruining Iceman's reputation, I thought he was OK until I discovered CBR

He was my favourite until all I could think about was his omega potential and how no writers every write him using his powers to the maximum potential.
she venom
12-09-2009, 01:48 PM
It'd be awesome if his member chipped off whilst in ice mode. And he lost it forever.

NO it would not be awesome if iceman to lose his member.
if a man or woman were to lose there sexualality they would not care about anything.
iceman would not be a xmen,he would not want to use his power, he would care he or anyone died, h would not try t get out of bed in the morning.
i would not wish that n any body
NewMutant
12-09-2009, 01:52 PM
Is Emma to blame for the demise of every character in comics?
Pixie_Solanas
12-09-2009, 01:55 PM
NO it would not be awesome if iceman to lose his member.
if a man or woman were to lose there sexualality they would not care about anything.
iceman would not be a xmen,he would not want to use his power, he would care he or anyone died, h would not try t get out of bed in the morning.
i would not wish that n any body

I think we're advanced enough to have an asexual superhero. Besides x-23.
ExodusCloak
12-09-2009, 02:04 PM
Is Emma to blame for the demise of every character in comics?

Someone needs to start a is Emma to blame for the demise of Jean Grey thread.
Home made ectoplasm
12-09-2009, 02:07 PM
Someone needs to start a is Emma to blame for the demise of Jean Grey thread.

You have maybe mixed up "needs to" with "is inevitability going to"
ExodusCloak
12-09-2009, 02:08 PM
You have maybe mixed up "needs to" with "is inevitability going to"

What about the demise of Butter Rum?
SayOcean
12-09-2009, 02:35 PM
What about the demise of Butter Rum?
He was a marysue
Optic Rage!
12-09-2009, 02:40 PM
A vaguely serious thread for a change (not), the thought occured to me in the Iceman appreciation thread by a newly appreciating fan of the character - that it was his lasting impression that Emma Frost's intervention in taking over Iceman's body is in part responsible for the lack of self-confidence stigma he's had in regards to the broad usage of his powers in the x-books.

They are both strong characters, equally with unique powersets on their own. However, I wondered whether the or not writer or Marvel had any indication on the long-lasting effect it would have on the history of the character, and how it would forever remain as one of the most concrete and identifiable events associated with the character.

Of course being a fan myself I do find it disturbing. And sure, you can say this comes off a bit as a rant and I should leave well enough alone, since its in history books now. But who cares... I was bored, and thought I'd get your opinion on whether or not you thought it was an event that should or should not have taken place in Uncanny #311 - #314. And whether or not you think it's had any lasting effect or changed your view of either character...

No, Bobby is a loser because..he's you know, a loser.

Also, he's obviously one of those self hating gays.
ProfeZZor X
12-09-2009, 02:56 PM
Double Post
ProfeZZor X
12-09-2009, 02:58 PM
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Ask me if I care....
Talisman
12-09-2009, 02:58 PM
No, he lost it because he's a pussy, and has always been one.
fod_xp
12-09-2009, 04:27 PM
No, he lost it because he's a pussy, and has always been one.

Quoted for truth!
fod_xp
12-09-2009, 04:35 PM
Well if anything, when Emma possessed Bobby didn't she unlock his potential?
lockerogue
12-09-2009, 04:40 PM
No, he lost it because he's a pussy, and has always been one.

OMG MALICIOUS LIES!!!
Justin K.
12-09-2009, 04:40 PM
Is Emma to blame for the demise of every character in comics?

Ask Selene.
ProfeZZor X
12-09-2009, 04:41 PM
Well if anything, when Emma possessed Bobby didn't she unlock his potential?

No, Mikhail Rasputin did that 12 issues earlier...

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pryde15
12-09-2009, 04:41 PM
Iceman lost his reputation long before Emma Frost, let's be real.
MarvelGirlBoy
12-09-2009, 04:44 PM
What reputation?

Iceman should be grateful he was briefly associated with the beautiful mind of Ms Frost.
Havok83
12-09-2009, 04:47 PM
No Emma didnt do anything to him. Blame it on the writers. Outside of Lobdell and Carey, no writer seems to really care about Bobby. He was alot more competent under them but under the rest, he's relegated to simply being the immature jokester who didnt grow up. Cant blame that on Emma, especially since he's had little to do with her since she was back in Gen X
fod_xp
12-09-2009, 04:55 PM
No Emma didnt do anything to him. Blame it on the writers. Outside of Lobdell and Carey, no writer seems to really care about Bobby. He was alot more competent under them but under the rest, he's relegated to simply being the immature jokester who didnt grow up. Cant blame that on Emma, especially since he's had little to do with her since she was back in Gen X

Well, I think there's only so much a writer can do with a character whose only power is freezing things. Besides, he very clueless, too.

Uncanny X-Men #305 (I am pretty sure that was the issue) where Bobby, Rogue, and Bishop attacked some biological constructs. However, Bobby's plan involved using his (at the time) Girlfriend as bait.

So not terribly smart.
Havok83
12-09-2009, 05:03 PM
Well, I think there's only so much a writer can do with a character whose only power is freezing things. Besides, he very clueless, too.

Uncanny X-Men #305 (I am pretty sure that was the issue) where Bobby, Rogue, and Bishop attacked some biological constructs. However, Bobby's plan involved using his (at the time) Girlfriend as bait.

So not terribly smart.
His only power isnt simply freezing things and thats the misconception you and other writers seem to have. He's capable of some cool stuff which we have seen in the past. Besides the powers dont make the character bc there are alot of characters with boring powers and alot more generic abilties and they are great characters who get a decent amount of attention
darknessatnoon
12-09-2009, 05:05 PM
Nobody wants to draw Iceman anymore because of Emma's fugly diamond form. It's too much blank space on the page.
Home made ectoplasm
12-09-2009, 05:05 PM
Yet another Iceman thread turns into a discussion about his powers. This is what has ruined his character. He is always discussed like some top-trump trading card.
DarthCyclopsRLZ
12-09-2009, 05:27 PM
WTF, Prof... Seriously.
Perfection/Emma 2
12-09-2009, 07:52 PM
Next week "Is Emma to blame for the demise of Magneto?"

Follow ups: Is Emma to blame for the demise of Moonstar, Namor, Pixie, Jubilee, and Lady Mastermind?
ProfeZZor X
12-09-2009, 08:27 PM
Next week "Is Emma to blame for the demise of Magneto?"

Follow ups: Is Emma to blame for the demise of Moonstar, Namor, Pixie, Jubilee, and Lady Mastermind?

As long as it had Emma's name in the title, you'd like that wouldn't you...
witness
12-10-2009, 03:32 AM
Ah, I see what you have done there. Very clever...