Ultimate Avengers # 4

[Sighphi]

Anyone read this?
I thought that it was a pretty kick butt issue.

The Cap chase comes to an end and in between some info gets revealed that leads one to believe that what he have been reading so far is not the way things are really playing out.

Nerd Hulk was kind of humorous but at the moment seems useless and is nothing but a face..

So anybody read this?

[striderhirryu2]

Decent issue. War Machine was too much of a mouth piece and I was glad when Cap tore off his arm. Hulk in a suit was kinda stupid and he doesn't really sound like Banner. The art has too many inkers and get's inconsistent in certain places.

[Sighphi]

When NH put on the suit i thought he was going to go Mr. Fixit but it didnt go that way. In fact, it seems like they grabbed some random dude from the street and put his brain in a Hulk body.

[spacepatate15]

A suit for hulk...a dumb idea if you need to know.

Also i didn`t heard much of spider,was he in this issue at all:confused: the recap page doesn`t even mention him at all.

[IAMFuzzy]

A suit for hulk...a dumb idea if you need to know.

Also i didn`t heard much of spider,was he in this issue at all:confused: the recap page doesn`t even mention him at all.The Spider wasn't in it at all.

[Prodigy55]

Captain America looked like an idiot in this, going into a Kindergarten, really? What if War Machine had just shot the building down? What if he blew the wall and glass or debris hit one of the kids? It was a bitch move.

The rest of the issue was cool, I like the new Black Widow and Wasp.

[striderhirryu2]

Come to think of it, why is Cap in Paris when AIM HQ is in Alaska?

[DKR]

The Spider wasn't in it at all.

Looking for the Spider was the only reason I looked through this at the comic shop yesterday. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure this is a great book but if we got another guy running around the Ultimate U as Spider-Man, I'd expect more on him.

[taylor51]

While I do believe making him appear useless was the point, Nerd Hulk was just plain stupid. I'm sure this will set up the eventual mother of all beat downs, but still. Ugh. Plus, why did Millar decide to introduce not one, but TWO new Hulks for his run? Where's good ol' regular Hulk? Again... Ugh. Kinda tangent to that, I was thinking it would have been cool to just have War Machine be the team muscle. That panel of him ripping the building open was AWESOME. I was hesitant with the decision to make Ultimate War Machine so huge, but a big ass robot with floating gun arrays and the myriad of other cool weapons I'm sure Mark has thought of could make for some awesome fight scenes lol.

Are Red Wasp and the Insect Queen from the Liberators (who Janet smushed, I thought...) the same person? Were they always supposed to be the same person?

[giovedi]

I enjoyed the "Nerd Hulk" nickname...

Also Hawkeye doesn't get a whole lot of attention until the end. But I really enjoyed his dialogue, especially his quirk in response to BWII.

[ThisMortalSoil]

Are Red Wasp and the Insect Queen from the Liberators (who Janet smushed, I thought...) the same person? Were they always supposed to be the same person?

The one that Janet squashed was named Swarm... I'm looking at it like Insect Queen/Red Wasp was one of the many off-screen characters that comprised the Liberators. Her tactic of flying through people brought to mind the grunts in armor who'd fly through people

[Sighphi]

Captain America looked like an idiot in this, going into a Kindergarten, really? What if War Machine had just shot the building down? What if he blew the wall and glass or debris hit one of the kids? It was a bitch move.


I thought that was bad too but maybe he is reeeeeeaaally pi$$ed off about his kid and he said FUNK THAT! It's on!

[TikkiEXX]

i enjoyed the issue. Cap kinda shocked me by using those kids as a shield but i guess this is the Ultimate U. did anyone notice the Viva la France postcard floating next to Cap after he got taken out? and Nerd Hulk was pretty useless but hes still an interesting guy. i didnt think hed be such a softie. it should make for some interesting team dynamics later on. tho it seems hed be better off behind a desk or something. any bets on whos the first to bite the big one? i have no idea but i have a good feeling the whole team wont be intact by the time this story arc is over.

[bbmakdaddycomics]

i enjoyed the issue. Cap kinda shocked me by using those kids as a shield but i guess this is the Ultimate U. did anyone notice the Viva la France postcard floating next to Cap after he got taken out? and Nerd Hulk was pretty useless but hes still an interesting guy. i didnt think hed be such a softie. it should make for some interesting team dynamics later on. tho it seems hed be better off behind a desk or something. any bets on whos the first to bite the big one? i have no idea but i have a good feeling the whole team wont be intact by the time this story arc is over.

i thought that same thing i got a feeling maybe nerd hulk will bite it and then along comes black hulk

[spacepatate15]

i thought that same thing i got a feeling maybe nerd hulk will bite it and then along comes black hulk

Black hulk is only fhr the second arc,the third arc feature the nerd hulk once again.

Too many hulk here.

[TikkiEXX]

Black hulk is only fhr the second arc,the third arc feature the nerd hulk once again.

Too many hulk here.

thats a good point. maybe Red Wasp then. if shes under mind control i can see her getting free eventually and turning on the team. but i was thinking Nerd Hulk at first until you brought that up.

[Chris S.]

I think this is getting dropped this month. Millar isn't doing anything good with it. He's taken everything that made Cap Cap and made him a different character. He doesn't feel like the character that he himself made in Ultimates 1 & 2. It goes with Millar. He doesn't care about characters but rather making them vehicles for the story. It makes no sense. I also feel no connection to any of the other characters. A clone of Hulk? A new Iron Man? Its like he couldn't use the well established characters so he just made knock offs and put them in a story. This should be west coast Avengers or something.

Also this is such a fast read. I feel like it took me under a minute to read it from front to back.

Yea I just don't think this is staying with how many better titles there are out there. I just don't get the Millar hype. His Wolverine was good as was Ultimates 2. Beyond that I'm just not impressed.

[spacepatate15]

I think this is getting dropped this month. Millar isn't doing anything good with it. He's taken everything that made Cap Cap and made him a different character. He doesn't feel like the character that he himself made in Ultimates 1 & 2. It goes with Millar. He doesn't care about characters but rather making them vehicles for the story. It makes no sense. I also feel no connection to any of the other characters. A clone of Hulk? A new Iron Man? Its like he couldn't use the well established characters so he just made knock offs and put them in a story. This should be west coast Avengers or something.

I kinda agree here,cap was portrayed alright for the first 3 issues but then the fourth issue seem to portray him strangly...

The new iron man is war machine,not another iron man by the way.But about the hulk clone,bruce never died during ultimatum but even without brainwashing,hulk can be used agaisn`t ennemies.For exemple in ultimates 1 when the ultimates are fighting the chitauri,cap managed to make hulk beat the crap out of the aliens and kill kleiser.In ultimates 2,hulk was able to control himself to beat out the liberators and in ultimate wolverine vs hulk,bruce was able to control his transformation.So instead of just making another versions,nick may arrest him if he would be the general,but since he is just the leader of project avengers,he could have simply manipulated bruce so he could use his hulk transformation for black ops purpose.

So i have to agree that making clones and endless versions isn`t a good idea.But at least it not as bad as making hulk wear a damn suit.

Also this is such a fast read. I feel like it took me under a minute to read it from front to back.

Uca is a mass action movie,lot of actions but not too much stories outside of the openings issues of the stories arc.So it sure and certain it not going to last long.

Yea I just don't think this is staying with how many better titles there are out there. I just don't get the Millar hype. His Wolverine was good as was Ultimates 2. Beyond that I'm just not impressed.

Millar did a lot of great stuffs and he manage to make his stories with a great fast-paced way without becoming too messy.That why his work is mostly enjoyable.Uca however i understand what the book is about and im not agaisn`t it to see punisher being a new cap,blade being a pimp and spider who eat people and drive them to suicide,but it not going to be the biggest books of all,just a big action movie.So if you want a deeper stories,then uca should be skipped or wait to pick it up in trades.

[Don Yoyo]

Question : was A.I.M always screwed up by their hired muscle/experimental subject in the 616 universe like they are in the Ultimate universe? It is really hard to take them seriously :

--- Ultimate Vision series, they got screwed up BAD by Gah Lak Tus when they tried to control it.
--- Ultimate Fantastic Four/X-Men, they hire Rhona Burchill to steal Cerebro's blueprints for them. She reads them, is completely turned on by it, kill her A.I.M contacts and goes on to create her own version of Cerebro and wreak havoc with it.
--- Ultimate Comics Avengers, they hire the Red Skull to steal the blueprints for the Cosmic Cube... and guess what? He shoots their Supreme Commander and is probably about to screw them completely.

So, is it coherent with the 616 universe, or is A.I.M really the lamest terrorist organization in history only in the Ultimate Universe?

[spacepatate15]

Question : was A.I.M always screwed up by their hired muscle/experimental subject in the 616 universe like they are in the Ultimate universe? It is really hard to take them seriously :

--- Ultimate Vision series, they got screwed up BAD by Gah Lak Tus when they tried to control it.
--- Ultimate Fantastic Four/X-Men, they hire Rhona Burchill to steal Cerebro's blueprints for them. She reads them, is completely turned on by it, kill her A.I.M contacts and goes on to create her own version of Cerebro and wreak havoc with it.
--- Ultimate Comics Avengers, they hire the Red Skull to steal the blueprints for the Cosmic Cube... and guess what? He shoots their Supreme Commander and is probably about to screw them completely.

So, is it coherent with the 616 universe, or is A.I.M really the lamest terrorist organization in history only in the Ultimate Universe?

Well at least they only got 3 failure.The 616 universe feature them taking on a shitload of fail.

Even cap without the super-solider serum could take out a whole base of aim agent in the 616 universe.They are a joke,hence why they are featured as villains so their ass can be kicked.

[pariah-1972]

Captain America looked like an idiot in this, going into a Kindergarten, really? What if War Machine had just shot the building down? What if he blew the wall and glass or debris hit one of the kids? It was a bitch move.

.I agree that is totally not something any Captain America would ever do.

[Moose967]

I agree that is totally not something any Captain America would ever do.

I don't know. Ultimate Cap is the master strategist and he knew that War machine wouldn't kill kids. War Machine was having buildings scanned for people and Cap knew this. Cap does what it takes to win. It was a smart move.

[pariah-1972]

I don't know. Ultimate Cap is the master strategist and he knew that War machine wouldn't kill kids. War Machine was having buildings scanned for people and Cap knew this. Cap does what it takes to win. It was a smart move.It was a chicken shit cowards move which Cap isn't

[spacepatate15]

I don't know. Ultimate Cap is the master strategist and he knew that War machine wouldn't kill kids. War Machine was having buildings scanned for people and Cap knew this. Cap does what it takes to win. It was a smart move.

Not really,it was simply that rhode was dumb.

This cover-thing doesn`t have any logic.In issue 3,he destroyed a village and wiped out people,whose a fraction of them weren`t even armed,even kids in there.In issue 4,innocent kids make him stop...

This is just as stupid as nerd hulk with a suit.

[striderhirryu2]

Not really,it was simply that rhode was dumb.

This cover-thing doesn`t have any logic.In issue 3,he destroyed a village and wiped out people,whose a fraction of them weren`t even armed,even kids in there.In issue 4,innocent kids make him stop...

This is just as stupid as nerd hulk with a suit.

He wiped out that entire village with no witnesses except for the soldiers he saved. It's alot harder to knock out a city like Paris and clean up witnesses when it's a city of 9 million

[TikkiEXX]

He wiped out that entire village with no witnesses except for the soldiers he saved. It's alot harder to knock out a city like Paris and clean up witnesses when it's a city of 9 million

not to mention the political mess it would of caused. he could just say the civilian casualties from before were collateral damage. though that,d be a lie. lol.

[Sighphi]

Not really,it was simply that rhode was dumb.

This cover-thing doesn`t have any logic.In issue 3,he destroyed a village and wiped out people,whose a fraction of them weren`t even armed,even kids in there.In issue 4,innocent kids make him stop...

This is just as stupid as nerd hulk with a suit.

WhitekidsaredifferentOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

[striderhirryu2]

WhitekidsaredifferentOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

Hater:frown:

[spacepatate15]

not to mention the political mess it would of caused. he could just say the civilian casualties from before were collateral damage. though that,d be a lie. lol.

Let just say everyone would be dead,nothing would be standing and if they is a survivor,it god or chuck norris.

[missmeliss]

Anyone read this?
I thought that it was a pretty kick butt issue.

The Cap chase comes to an end and in between some info gets revealed that leads one to believe that what he have been reading so far is not the way things are really playing out.

Nerd Hulk was kind of humorous but at the moment seems useless and is nothing but a face..

So anybody read this?

I DID!!! Gotta love Cap & Haweye and even the sassy Fury but...
I'm not a fan of the reusing names...
it's kinda stupid actually...
and the 'Spider-Man' that made a man slit his wrists? I'm actually annoyed with that. I like my Spider-Man with morals and written by Bendis.

[Elayis]

First off, I just want to say I hated Alaska being used as stereotypical frozen wasteland ala Siberia. And because there was no snow in New York, that means it's summer. Well, Alaska has summer, too! We only have snow from October-April. So that disappoints me, but it's pretty much what he did in FF, too.:frown:

Anyways, the issue was good. Not great, but fun; just a big extended fight scene. Definitely got a Hitch vibe from the Red Skull pages.

The art was probably the worst of the run so far. In some parts, I almost forgot Pacheco was on art; it just didn't look like his stuff. The inkers (probably Dexter Vines in particular) just completely overpowered Pacheco's pencils! Even worse than Hitch/Guice on Reborn! But, this Pacheco might not even be doing full pencils; he could just be doing layouts to save time, and the inkers are doing more work than normal.

And the panel where Skull shoots the AIM Commander...showing the bullet exit the barrel just seemed...off. It seemed like it was setting up some kind of slow-motion trick for the next page, when all that happened was that he shot him. Personally, I think Pacheco should've just shown a bang like usual.

Nothing all that interesting has happened in the series so far (which is an extreme letdown), but it's still good. Can't wait till later story arcs, where hopefully Millar will be able to flesh out the characters and plots. Plus, I just don't think he can write 6-issue arcs well. He can do 3, 8, and 13 well, but he just doesn't seem to know how to properly pace this length of story well.

[striderhirryu2]

I'd take Vines over Miki. Miki makes it look waaay to scratchy and it's terrible on Red Skull. For some reason Vines just looks really good when he does Red Wasp. And the general Area of Alaska and the Yukon is pretty much wasteland. My brother's telling me about some -30 celcius right now. Glad I moved the hell away from there

[JesterretseJ]

yeah this is good but not as great as 1 and 2 but still way better than 3 and UU ...

Maybe its just that my high hopes that I have a feeling of being let down :)
but still this has something in to it that is going to go boom(again high hopes :) )

[Castel]

We only have snow from October-April

You can't use "only" and "snow from October-April" in the same sentence dude, it's just to much for a guy like me who live in the south. ^^

(Louisiana)

[PympMyQuinjet]

You can't use "only" and "snow from October-April" in the same sentence dude, it's just to much for a guy like me who live in the south. ^^

(Louisiana)

Yeah, and I thought here in New England, we had it bad...



:biggrin:

[Don Yoyo]

First off, I just want to say I hated Alaska being used as stereotypical frozen wasteland ala Siberia. Well, Alaska has summer, too! We only have snow from October-April.

You do know that Siberia is not frozen all the time, right :biggrin: ? And that being "covered" in snow for half the year is still a lot?

[spacepatate15]

yeah this is good but not as great as 1 and 2 but still way better than 3 and UU ...

Maybe its just that my high hopes that I have a feeling of being let down :)
but still this has something in to it that is going to go boom(again high hopes :) )

The first arc is simply about cap being cool and the red skull.The book really take off with the second arc.With punisher as cap,daredevil,the africain americain hulk,war machine,the origin of hawkeye,ghost rider and the awesome pencil of yu.

[JesterretseJ]

The first arc is simply about cap being cool and the red skull.The book really take off with the second arc.With punisher as cap,daredevil,the africain americain hulk,war machine,the origin of hawkeye,ghost rider and the awesome pencil of yu.

yeah :)

Not a big fan of Yu...this is the one thing that Im not so fond of when they announced it...but cant wait for the 3rd act thought, I feel Hitch is coming back

YU is one of those artist that is good on just doing poster shots but have no real ability to tell a story...I dont dislike his works but I just think his not appropriate for this stuff like Mad...Ultimates in my opinion requires a high grade illustrator not a hype up one

Just an opinion( I rather, if I am incharge, keep Mr. Pacheco on this Run)

[Zeron175]

I'd definitely say that this has been one of the better issues so far. The action was constantly intense and featured a lot of cool scenes, however after the second consecutive issue of "chase Cap through urban area" I'm glad they decided to end it.

The art was pretty with it's only fault being a few examples of inconsistency. Their wasn't much of a plot but the dialog was good and nerd hulk in a suit was pretty amusing.

The only thing I didn't like was when Cap used the children as shields, I could easily see a bunch of others doing that but to me that just isn't something he'd ever do.

So overall I'd give it a B or maybe even a B+.

[Elayis]

I'd take Vines over Miki. Miki makes it look waaay to scratchy and it's terrible on Red Skull. For some reason Vines just looks really good when he does Red Wasp.

And I'd rather have Miki. Sure his stuff is scratchy, but he knows how to shade characters. And at least he preserves the artist's look. Vines is so used to inking McNiven that he makes everyone look that way. His inks on Pacheco look so boxy it's hideous.


And the general Area of Alaska and the Yukon is pretty much wasteland. My brother's telling me about some -30 celcius right now. Glad I moved the hell away from there

I'm from Fairbanks (central Alaska), and I'd disagree that it's a wasteland. Sure it gets cold, but that's only in December and January, when it can get - 50 Fahrenheit. Right now, it's around 0-25, which isn't too bad. But again, we only have snow from around Halloween to Spring Break, when it starts to melt.

So if Alaska had snow, then NYC and Paris should've, too.


You can't use "only" and "snow from October-April" in the same sentence dude, it's just to much for a guy like me who live in the south. ^^

(Louisiana)

I haven't lived anywhere else in over 12 years, so it's hard for me to remember what normal is.


You do know that Siberia is not frozen all the time, right :biggrin: ? And that being "covered" in snow for half the year is still a lot?

Didn't know that about Siberia (which is also a common belief about Alaska). Do you know how long winter in Siberia actually is?

[Don Yoyo]

Didn't know that about Siberia (which is also a common belief about Alaska). Do you know how long winter in Siberia actually is?

Problem with Siberia is the size of the land. According to Wikipedia (although my knowledge of the "not always frozen" came from the movie Dersu Uzala), the northern coast has an eleven months long winter, while the south lands are way warmer and fitting for agriculture, with probably a six-month long winter.

[HollowChatter]

I'm from Fairbanks (central Alaska), and I'd disagree that it's a wasteland. Sure it gets cold, but that's only in December and January, when it can get - 50 Fahrenheit. Right now, it's around 0-25, which isn't too bad. But again, we only have snow from around Halloween to Spring Break, when it starts to melt.

So if Alaska had snow, then NYC and Paris should've, too.



I haven't lived anywhere else in over 12 years, so it's hard for me to remember what normal is.


Yeah, I think you're actually kinda misrepresenting everywhere that is not Alaska, rather than the other way around. Most places have more variation in their climate than Alaska does, so the notion that NY and Paris would have to be snowy too is somewhat illogical. Believe it or not, snow isn't even a thought long before Spring Break rolls around here in MD.

By the way, it doesn't matter how long you stay there, any region that reaches the temperatures you are talking about is definitely a tundra.

[John Zaleski]

i hate all of these new version of characters. i feel like i'm reading ultimate dark avengers

[Don Yoyo]

so the notion that NY and Paris would have to be snowy too is somewhat illogical.

Snow in Paris? Who are you kidding :tongue: ? We're happy if there is one little fall once every three years :biggrin:

[spacepatate15]

yeah :)

Not a big fan of Yu...this is the one thing that Im not so fond of when they announced it...but cant wait for the 3rd act thought, I feel Hitch is coming back

YU is one of those artist that is good on just doing poster shots but have no real ability to tell a story...I dont dislike his works but I just think his not appropriate for this stuff like Mad...Ultimates in my opinion requires a high grade illustrator not a hype up one

Just an opinion( I rather, if I am incharge, keep Mr. Pacheco on this Run)

Personnaly i like hs art.But it depend of the book he draw trough.For exemple,uwvh was well drawed,but secret invasion looked a little messy and unfinished in term of details.

[Wolverine12]

i hate all of these new version of characters. i feel like i'm reading ultimate dark avengers

LOL +1

I never even thought of that until this post, but it rings pretty true. I like the story still and despite what everyone says about cap using the kids, I can see Ultimate Cap doing this. He does what ever it takes to win, whether it's using kids as bait or releasing the Hulk in Arizona to kill aliens. I liked Nerd Hulk, he was very amusing and the suit made me laugh. Overall I'd give it a solid B, the reason it doesn't get an A is because it didn't really move the story very much forward. All we got was what the Skull stole and that he betrayed AIM (like no one saw that coming from a mile away :wink: ) Really looking forward to the next issue and especially the third arc which is rumored to have Wolverine making an appreance as we all know.

[Don Yoyo]

This issue also gave me the vibe that the characters are taking turns at trying to be as mean as possible. Gregory in that issue was pretty much polite, but Black Widow was the one who took cheap shots at the other members of the team.

I'm also a bit disappointed with Fury. It seems that now his only edge is that he is ready to hit as hard as possible, I don't see the experienced guy he was before. Monica really humiliated him by devising a plan on the spot to capture Cap' where Nick pretty much failed.

[spacepatate15]

i hate all of these new version of characters. i feel like i'm reading ultimate dark avengers

I made a thread to explain why they are several new versions of classics characters,so here the explaination;

It a avengers book,it designed to make cool shit while being true to the classics avengers,and this bunch^cap,ironman,thor,giant-man,wasp,black window,hawkeye,hulk^are classics avengers icons,so since ultimate wasp,giant-man,black window,thor are deads and using bruce much like how the army used him in the first volumes of ultimates to fight the chitauri is not a very moral thing to do and because bruce isn`t working for shield anymore,a new hulk was kinda nessesairy.No matter how different this book is,it a avengers book so it need classics avengers characters and villains.

I hope you understand.The new spider-man is there because millar wanted to write spidey quite badly,so he decided to make his own version for black ops purpose.

[SHADENINJA]

I'll be honest, I'm kind of getting sick of Millar's dialogue. I mean don't get me wrong, Ultimates 1 and 2 (especially 2) were great, but sometimes he inserts these pop culture references that are really annoying. It wasn't as prevalent in this last issue though so maybe it will be okay later on. Last ish though...geez. Enough is enough.

Also, this is my first post. You are now a part of history.

[Zeron175]

I actually enjoy Millar's pop culture references and I find there use and timing to be very good.

[SHADENINJA]

I would have agreed with you if this was Ultimates 2, but its just gettng excessive in my opinion. Its like he can't find any other source of comic relief. And frankly, for some characters, I don't think it even makes sense.

[Jared]

This was a solid, but breezy issue. Issue 1 remains the high mark so far.

Given that Cap can rip his arm off, I'm not buying Gregory and Rhodey's claims of the War Machine being more advanced than Tony's stuff. That said, I do really want to see "tank mode" soon.

I also want to know if Nerd Hulk has Banner's memories or just a similar personality.

I was taken aback when I saw Cap using the kids as shields, but his reasoning made sense. And given the tactical genius and computer whiz that he is, he probably knew exactly how Rhodes would react. Really, it's the sort of thing that Batman would do and nobody would bat an eye. It's just shocking here because we see the costume and still tend to think about the 616 version first.

[Don Yoyo]

So far, the most decent character is probably Red Wasp, as weird as it sounds... the others are a little bit too much jerks!

I'm still surprised how, in Millar's books, the US government can take such radical measures and never being called on it. The Avengers wrecking Paris, the Sentinels murdering people on the street, etc.

[edhopper]

So far, the most decent character is probably Red Wasp, as weird as it sounds... the others are a little bit too much jerks!

That's my main problem with this book. I thought it was a fun read and enjoyed the art (I didn't find anything wrong with the inking). But every character is a jerk. All the dialog is nasty. I know the Ult. Un. is suppose to be darker, but isn't there a single person in the world who can't say anything that isn't insulting or condescending?

[giovedi]

That's my main problem with this book. I thought it was a fun read and enjoyed the art (I didn't find anything wrong with the inking). But every character is a jerk. All the dialog is nasty. I know the Ult. Un. is suppose to be darker, but isn't there a single person in the world who can't say anything that isn't insulting or condescending?

For me, Hawkeye seems a little more tame compared to the rest of the team. (Even though he became a bit wilder in the last Ultimate books)

Fury stated that BWII was just a cold hearted bitch.

[Jared]

That's my main problem with this book. I thought it was a fun read and enjoyed the art (I didn't find anything wrong with the inking). But every character is a jerk. All the dialog is nasty. I know the Ult. Un. is suppose to be darker, but isn't there a single person in the world who can't say anything that isn't insulting or condescending?

Nerd Hulk seems like a nice enough fellow.

[spacepatate15]

Nerd Hulk seems like a nice enough fellow.

Wasp isn`t that bad,hawkeye and fury are cool.

And the africain americain-hulk may not be that bad either.Daredevil may not be that much of a asshole if it peter inside the costume.

Not everyone are jerks,but some are truly are.

[FlyingFox]

What happened to Rhodey? Did Millar read Ultimate Iron Man? Here he seems like a crazed killer. I also find it hard to believe he would have tech 20 years ahead of Tony. He's supposed to be smart, but isn't that a bit much?

Smart Hulk was cool though. Should have gotten more page time.

I won't mention Cap's dick move with the kiddies. I just wish they had shown him tearing off War Machine's arm though. I would really like to know how he accomplished that.

[Chaos_Alfa]

What happened to Rhodey? Did Millar read Ultimate Iron Man? Here he seems like a crazed killer. I also find it hard to believe he would have tech 20 years ahead of Tony. He's supposed to be smart, but isn't that a bit much?

Smart Hulk was cool though. Should have gotten more page time.

I won't mention Cap's dick move with the kiddies. I just wish they had shown him tearing off War Machine's arm though. I would really like to know how he accomplished that.
Miller's answer on Rhodey's behavior.

Is the James Rhodes we're seeing in Ultimate Avengers the same one from the Ultimate Iron Man series'?

Millar's response:
Yep. The only appearance he had before was the Scott Card mini (though I'm not referencing Tony's abilities he had there, but not contrdaicting them either). These were set years back when he was a nice kid hanging out with Tony and before Tony fucked him over. This all ties into Gregory's back-story too and forms a plot-line running through my 24 issues. Basically, we get to see how he became a pain in the ass bad ass. Black Ops is full of fuck ups.

[Jared]

Wasp isn`t that bad,

For a terrorist, you mean. :)


won't mention Cap's dick move with the kiddies. I just wish they had shown him tearing off War Machine's arm though. I would really like to know how he accomplished that.

I assume he just sliced it off with the shield. It worked on the Assemble bot in X-men Requiem.

[Don Yoyo]

I also find it hard to believe he would have tech 20 years ahead of Tony. He's supposed to be smart, but isn't that a bit much?

The one who made the tech isn't Rhodes, but Gregory.


Wasp isn`t that bad,hawkeye and fury are cool.

About the Wasp, isn't she supposed to be Korean? I don't feel her ethnicity in the drawing...

[spacepatate15]

The one who made the tech isn't Rhodes, but Gregory.



About the Wasp, isn't she supposed to be Korean? I don't feel her ethnicity in the drawing...

I heard she was a korean mutant,correct me if im wrong.

[ThePhenom]

She's the Syrian one. The speedster was Korean.

[Don Yoyo]

I always had trouble with that "official" claim. With her skin tone, Hurricane was more likely to be the Syrian one. And somehow, I think that Hitch wanted to avoid drawing asian people for that story, hence why Swarm, Abomination and Crimson Dynamo were all monsters.

[BladeOfTheMortal]

Awewome issue. It's good to see this back, I hated the Loeb run, Maduiera has totaly lost it.

Mark Millar has got to be the best action writer in comics right now!

[Clairaudient Freedom Soldier]

Anyone interested in a Nerd Hulk-Red Wasp romance?

[spacepatate15]

Anyone interested in a Nerd Hulk-Red Wasp romance?

Nah,that would be awful.

Just make fury and hawkeye maried already.

[FlyingFox]

Anyone interested in a Nerd Hulk-Red Wasp romance?

I would be interested in romance involving the hulk as long as its not with another man.


Wasp isn`t that bad,hawkeye and fury are cool.

Those two are just as dickish as the rest. Hawkeye who thinks he's better than everyone and hates the guys with powers. And then theres Fury. I still remember that scene from Ultimate 1 when he disrespected the fucking God of thunder. I wanted to kill him.

[Jared]

Those two are just as dickish as the rest. Hawkeye who thinks he's better than everyone and hates the guys with powers. And then theres Fury. I still remember that scene from Ultimate 1 when he disrespected the fucking God of thunder. I wanted to kill him.

In fairness to Nick there, at the time he had every reason to believe Thor was just a crazy guy who stole some European super tech. And besides, army guys never like hippies.

[Jared]

Those two are just as dickish as the rest. Hawkeye who thinks he's better than everyone and hates the guys with powers. And then theres Fury. I still remember that scene from Ultimate 1 when he disrespected the fucking God of thunder. I wanted to kill him.

In fairness to Nick there, at the time he had every reason to believe Thor was just a crazy guy who stole some European super tech. And besides, army guys never like hippies.

[spacepatate15]

In fairness to Nick there, at the time he had every reason to believe Thor was just a crazy guy who stole some European super tech. And besides, army guys never like hippies.

At the end hawkeye is sorry for not believing thor,but that a correct fact.

[Free-Man]

She's the Syrian one. The speedster was Korean.

No, the speedster who Peitro killed was from Syria. Swarm, the gal who the Wasp crushed, was North Korean.

[Pixie_Solanas]

LOL @ the objectivists vs. the univeralists debate that was cut too short.

[ThePhenom]

No, the speedster who Peitro killed was from Syria. Swarm, the gal who the Wasp crushed, was North Korean.

The Ultimates 2, Issue 8, page 3.

Before there's any ambiguity about the ordering, I think it's just assumed people would talk respectively in this sense.

[spacepatate15]

I got uca issue from 1 to 4 last night,and despite the massive delays i got and being forced to switch store for it,i finally got it.

And it pretty damn awesome,probably one of the only reasons why i still care about comics^well im reading the classics avengers on internet as well^

[NickGuy]

cap using kids as a shield.......wow

[Hawk I 21]

I gotta say Ultimate Hawkeye is starting to become likable again I like how they treat him in this book although he did get beat by Cap a lil too easy.

[Gabe De Los Muertos]

I gotta say Ultimate Hawkeye is starting to become likable again I like how they treat him in this book although he did get beat by Cap a lil too easy.

He's way better than he was in Loeb's Ultimates.

[Hawk I 21]

I'll be honest, I'm kind of getting sick of Millar's dialogue. I mean don't get me wrong, Ultimates 1 and 2 (especially 2) were great, but sometimes he inserts these pop culture references that are really annoying. It wasn't as prevalent in this last issue though so maybe it will be okay later on. Last ish though...geez. Enough is enough.

Also, this is my first post. You are now a part of history.


Captain America: Talk to the hand, lady!

SHIELD Agent: "Talk to the hand"?

Nick Fury: As far as I recall, Cap's been addicted to Daytime TV since we defrosted him...

How did that not make you at least smile?

[superattackpea]

That's my main problem with this book. I thought it was a fun read and enjoyed the art (I didn't find anything wrong with the inking). But every character is a jerk. All the dialog is nasty. I know the Ult. Un. is suppose to be darker, but isn't there a single person in the world who can't say anything that isn't insulting or condescending?

This is exactly why I stopped picking up ultimate comics, I got into comics to read about heroes and these are just people in costumes. I got up to ultimatum and Tony Stark seemed to be the only one developed as a decent human being.

[Jared]

I gotta say Ultimate Hawkeye is starting to become likable again I like how they treat him in this book although he did get beat by Cap a lil too easy.

There's a reason the government spent dozens of years and millions of dollars trying to recreate Cap, rather than reproducing Hawkeye.

[nepenthes]

What happened to that guy Mark Millar, the one who used to write actual characters in his comics? this is just a bunch of people insulting each other and showing off their powerz

[Cloudman]

He's way better than he was in Loeb's Ultimates.

I'm tempted to repeat a remark from another thread.

But I won't.

[Hawk I 21]

It was a good issue, I like the idea of a Black Ops super hero team and I love the whole twisted spin on all of the characters.

[NickGuy]

What happened to that guy Mark Millar, the one who used to write actual characters in his comics? this is just a bunch of people insulting each other and showing off their powerz

pretty much this

[striderhirryu2]

What happened to that guy Mark Millar, the one who used to write actual characters in his comics? this is just a bunch of people insulting each other and showing off their powerz

Uh that's been the formula since Ultimates 1 ever since they fought the Hulk. Thor came thundering in breaking some ribs and got slapped around by Banner after being called a dirty hippy.

[nepenthes]

Uh that's been the formula since Ultimates 1 ever since they fought the Hulk. Thor came thundering in breaking some ribs and got slapped around by Banner after being called a dirty hippy.

Yes sometimes comics books have battles. But there was still alot more going on in Ultimates 1& 2 than there is here

[striderhirryu2]

Yes sometimes comics books have battles. But there was still alot more going on in Ultimates 1& 2 than there is here
Well they spent 3 issues fleshing out all the characters in Ultimates 1 and 2 before we got a fight. The characters are a bit underdeveloped right now because we spent 4 out of 5 issues making explosions

[ultimate hulk]

Who the hell is nerd hulk?
I came back to see what was going on with the ultimate hulk and now i got some joker by the name of nerd hulk taking his spot.
I want the orignal grey hulk back...i like his evil ways and cool red and green eyes :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

[Brian M.]

Who the hell is nerd hulk?
I came back to see what was going on with the ultimate hulk and now i got some joker by the name of nerd hulk taking his spot.
I want the orignal grey hulk back...i like his evil ways and cool red and green eyes :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

Nerd Hulk is better than this one because he can keep his smarts. I like this one over the original much better.

[Brother Justin Crowe]

cap using kids as a shield.......wow

I think I saw that tactic used by an Aryan leader on Sons of Anarchy. :eek:

[Jared]

I think I saw that tactic used by an Aryan leader on Sons of Anarchy. :eek:

And War Machine is a black guy. You may be on to something here...