Spider-man to kill Osborn during the Siege?

[Samuraixsithlord]

Does anyone think it would be a cool idea for Osborn's Green Goblin persona to resurface during the Siege event to battle Spider-man one last time?

You know going back to the basics with Osborn? back to being a Spider-man villian and having Spider-man kill him.

I know Spider-man is into the whole no killing superhero thing, but enough is enough. It could also lead to some very interesting storyline angles down the road.

[CyberHubbs]

Not really, no.

[StoneGold]

We just went through a storyline saying Spidey don't kill Osborn. Plain and simple.

[remoteman]

Spider-Man shouldn't be killing anyone, not even Osborn. I would love to see him take Osborn down during Siege but I doubt that will happen.

[Samuraixsithlord]

I'm not so much into the whole killing thing, as im into Osborn putting on the Green Goblin suit, hopping on the glider, and fighting Spider-man like old times.

[Ursalink]

Spiderman wouldn't be Spidey if he kills somebody, even a piece of garbage like Norman Osborn. The better way to end Dark Reign will be if Spidey reveals Norman's real face like the monster he is. That will be his ultimate defeat!!. All that Spiderman can do is break every last bone of his body, but not kill him. Besides, there's already a lot of people that would love to kill Osborn by his actions in the Dark Reign: Franklecastle (the new Punisher), Namor, Nick Fury and even Doctor Doom.

[John Zaleski]

I would like to see this but not purposely.

Awesome death idea.

Spidey and Goblin are fighting on top of bridge. During the fight goblins glider is destroyed. After a long figth ensues Spidey accidently knocks Osbourn off the bridge. Spidey shoots a web down to save him but the force of the impact causes Osborn's neck to snap and he dies.

^Please Marvel. Please

[ShaggyB]

Spider-Man shouldn't be killing anyone, not even Osborn. I would love to see him take Osborn down during Siege but I doubt that will happen.

my money is on thor.....

[ShaggyB]

I would like to see this but not purposely.

Awesome death idea.

Spidey and Goblin are fighting on top of bridge. During the fight goblins glider is destroyed. After a long figth ensues Spidey accidently knocks Osbourn off the bridge. Spidey shoots a web down to save him but the force of the impact causes Osborn's neck to snap and he dies.

^Please Marvel. Please

irony... but Goblin formula would fix it

[SpiderS]

If Spidey kills Osborn it will be best thing in his comic history, of course not without changes in Peter Parker's character, Peter practically don't change since he get 15 years old, of course he was one of the best detailed and realistic character in the comic books, but he don't going any forward, and changes are necessarily in this case. I don't mean absolutely new Dark Spider-Man, no, i'm talking about character evolution, taking it to the next step, something differently new, (it's really important to any character i.m.o.) making him more mature and grown up. Anyway that never happen, Marvel already has a chance to this, and we get OMD and BND, maybe they had a really major reason for that (which i never understand) but still we get same old Spider-Man for almost 50 years...

[OrishianSeeds]

Seige is too large of a confrontation to push Spider-Man to kill Osborn. I mean too large in the sense that there are so many A list super heroes and villians in the mix. I notice Peter Parker usually snaps when things are really personal for him and its just going on in the Spidey universe as opposed to the greater MU, so him and Osborn showdown...maybe...him killing Osborn not likely...someone would have to get put in coma like Aunt May and that wouldn't happen in Seige. There too many big fish to fry....Thor or Cap might take his head off...

[Burning_Pumpkin]

While I always tend roll my eyes and sigh at the overly melodramatic scene of where a hero stands above his fallen enemy and exclaims with extreme self-rightiousness pompousity, "No, Heroes never kill"; Peter Parker would never recover from this scenario. Even I (one of the few Pro-OMD/Pro-BND posters around) would think that it's all just gone far to far.

Besides that, Osborn is a gem of a character. Killing him would be a waste.

[bulletproofsponge]

very highly doubt that. I think it would be neat it GG dies by his own hand. Like the glider thing again. Fine, maybe not exactly the same way. But wouldn't that be weird?

[John Zaleski]

very highly doubt that. I think it would be neat it GG dies by his own hand. Like the glider thing again. Fine, maybe not exactly the same way. But wouldn't that be weird?

I was thinking the same. Hopefully they find a new way for Osborn to kill himself with spidey being slightly involved again

[David Walton]

Peter wouldn't, but Kaine would.

Doubt it will happen, but Kaine's got the capability.

[spiderman_rj]

Spider-Man shouldn't be killing anyone, not even Osborn. I would love to see him take Osborn down during Siege but I doubt that will happen.

Spider-man could hesitate in a lonely confront with osborn, where kaine comes in, breaks norman neck, and tells peter this is what you should done long ago, and dies, fixing his existence out of the map, and making "peter" kill osborn withouth afecting the main character, and to make better irony, ,reveal that osborn was behind the jackal spider-man cloning, so he "died by his own hands"

[rocky123]

Won't happen for two reasons:
1. Spidey never kills. Period
2. I think there is still more that can be done with this current incarnation of the Norman character and I doubt they want to bring him back to life yet again.

Although I definitely would like to see the final battle come down to Pete and Norman. Spidey is in just about every single event Marvel does yet is never more than a bit player. With his arch enemy as the main baddy this is finally Marvel's chance to let him play a major role in one of these things. Alas with the big three about to be reunited I don't see it happening....yet again :frown:

[LordSMVS]

Maybe a couple of years from now, they'll do a What If - Dark Reign where Pete kills Norman. That's really the best option if you're hoping for a homicidal Spider-Man.

[ShaggyB]

Won't happen for two reasons:
1. Spidey never kills. Period

Annual #5 of ASM proved that wrong

[Minerboh]

Νο one really knows for sure! I mean Superman was forced to kill once in order to protect the greater good and i can't forget that Spidey vs Bullseye thing during the''new ways to die'' arc. Only the future and Bendis (who's writing the script) will answer that question!

[stillanerd]

No, Spider-Man shouldn't kill Norman Osborn. However, I thought up of a scenario of a possible way for Osborn to die (which I initially thought was how Dark Reign could end prior to announcement of the Siege crossover):

Norman Osborn's anti-psychotic medication fails and, as a result, he's altered state of mind is able to bypass the "psychic blindspot" and he remembers Peter Parker and Spider-Man are one and the same. He then sends Peter a message, telling him their game is back on, and with the help of Lily Hollister, kidnaps Aunt May, Harry Osborn, and Mary Jane Watson--the three people Peter cares about the most. Norman also wears a new Green Goblin costume he created based on one of Tony Stark's Iron Man armors.

As Spidey and the Green Goblin fight, Lily, now realizing how used she was, helps Aunt May, Harry, and MJ escape, but MJ goes back feeling they have to help Spider-Man. Harry follows her inside while Lily takes Aunt May to safety. The Green Goblin is about to kill Spider-Man when MJ comes to the rescue--big mistake as now the Goblin goes after her. Also, Harry arrives and sees that Spider-Man is Peter and now remembers everything. Spidey manages to beat the Green Goblin within an inch of his life when MJ tells him to stop, that Norman's not worth it. Norman, sick of the sentimentality, decides to destroy them all, when Lily comes crashing in on her glider in her Menace form and, taking Norman into the sky in a choke-hold, detonates all the pumpkin bombs they both carry, making them both seemingly explode into dust.

In the aftermath, Harry has now inherited Oscorp and is looking after his half-brother (Norman and Lily's child) to raise as his own. While he won't do anything to Spider-Man, feels betrayed over the fact that his best friend lied to him, and tells Peter if he stays out of his way, he'll stay out of his. The last scene can show Peter standing over Gwen's grave (who he's been telling all the changes that have taken place after Dark Reign) and says "Maybe now, we can both move on at last." Cue some image which suggests Norman may have somehow survived with a "The End?"

[Evil-Spidey]

Yes i agree with this topic Spider-Man has always been known as a killer with no clue about the responsability he got with his powers... the Finisher, Gwen Stacy, Drom the Backwards Man, Charlemagne, Whisper-3, Morlun and now Norman Osborn. Not even the Punisher has such a death count.

[yadadaimhollaing]

as much as i would love to see the green goblin back in teh ground where he should have stayed i can say as a FACT, peter wont kill norman

[Burning_Pumpkin]

Νο one really knows for sure! I mean Superman was forced to kill once in order to protect the greater good and i can't forget that Spidey vs Bullseye thing during the''new ways to die'' arc. Only the future and Bendis (who's writing the script) will answer that question!

Bullseye has his skeleton partially laced with adamantium, taking a round of bullets in the chest isn't really a big deal for the guy.

[Billium 3]

There's a whole list of people and things Spidey has killed at spiderfan.org. I'm not sure if this link will work (It's been 50/50 when I try to link to spiderfan).
http://spiderfan.org/faq/killed.html

[Brother Justin Crowe]

Yes i agree with this topic Spider-Man has always been known as a killer with no clue about the responsability he got with his powers... the Finisher, Gwen Stacy, Drom the Backwards Man, Charlemagne, Whisper-3, Morlun and now Norman Osborn. Not even the Punisher has such a death count.

Have...have you ever actually read Punisher? Or Spider-Man, for that matter?

From Comicvine.com:


Whether or not he enjoys killing is up for debate, but Garth Ennis's writing suggests he shoots until he is satisfied, and his complulsion has been sated.
Since he began his vigilante war, He has killed over 2000 people.

[Burning_Pumpkin]

Have...have you ever actually read Punisher? Or Spider-Man, for that matter?

To be fair, my friend, I think he was taking the p**s.

[Minerboh]

Bullseye has his skeleton partially laced with adamantium, taking a round of bullets in the chest isn't really a big deal for the guy.
The thorax cavity has some open spaces so it can give to the lung some open ground so it can perform the respiration movements. A single bullet can easily penetrate those open spaces and cause some serious internal damage. So unless Bulseye has a healing factor i don't think that is not a big deal!

[ShaggyB]

Have...have you ever actually read Punisher? Or Spider-Man, for that matter?

From Comicvine.com:

I think that post was meant as sarcasm....

[ShaggyB]

The thorax cavity has some open spaces so it can give to the lung some open ground so it can perform the respiration movements. A single bullet can easily penetrate those open spaces and cause some serious internal damage. So unless Bulseye has a healing factor i don't think that is not a big deal!

because chosing between ones own skin and a man who would later kill women and children inside an apartment building is a bad thing

[CyberHubbs]

Spidey also stood by while that demon-chick got eaten alive by spiders in JMS's run.

While there's several precedents for Spidey not exactly acting the boy scout, he's already outright stated that killing Norman is not the way to go. Bullseye forced his hand in NWtD, with Spidey already shot up and bleeding profusely from multiple wounds. Nonetheless, Bullseye still survived because of a bulletproof vest under his suit.

Honestly, I'm kind of all for Norman NOT dying, but being cured of both his insanity and his hard-on for Spidey. Have the guy turn into a hero of sorts, mend the rift between him and his son. Lily can feel betrayed and flies off with her unborn child, vowing revenge. Norman just looks on amidst the destruction surrounding Asgard and shakes his head, "That poor girl needs help."

[Burning_Pumpkin]

The thorax cavity has some open spaces so it can give to the lung some open ground so it can perform the respiration movements. A single bullet can easily penetrate those open spaces and cause some serious internal damage. So unless Bulseye has a healing factor i don't think that is not a big deal!

Your biology is well off but I get what you're saying. Despite that, the spaces between the ribs that are connected by the inter-costal muscles - the ones that stretch and contract to accomodate the inflation of the lungs - are generally less than the width of the persons index finger. Even a 5.56 caliber round would have difficulty getting through. Combine that with being flanked by unbreakable metal, i reckon theres little chance that one would be able to penetrate the rib-cage.

:tongue:

[Minerboh]

Your biology is well off but I get what you're saying. Despite that, the spaces between the ribs that are connected by the inter-costal muscles - the ones that stretch and contract to accomodate the inflation of the lungs - are generally less than the width of the persons index finger. Even a 5.56 caliber round would have difficulty getting through. Combine that with being flanked by unbreakable metal, i reckon theres little chance that one would be able to penetrate the rib-cage.

:tongue: You seem to be forgetting a couple of things:the nerve endings and the arteries that supply the muscles with blood (not to mention the veins that remove the dioxide of coal from the muscle cells). By the term ''internal damage'' i do not automatically mean the lung itself.
And it is not ''biology'', it is basic human anatomy and physiology. Βiology is a science that examines various types of cells and organisms such as viruses!

[Minerboh]

because chosing between ones own skin and a man who would later kill women and children inside an apartment building is a bad thing
For some reason i can't recall myself writing that it was a bad thing. I do recall myself writing about being forced to kill for the greater good and it was for Superman.

[Burning_Pumpkin]

You seem to be forgetting a couple of things:the nerve endings and the arteries that supply the muscles with blood (not to mention the veins that remove the dioxide of coal from the muscle cells). By the term ''internal damage'' i do not automatically mean the lung itself.
And it is not ''biology'', it is basic human anatomy and physiology. Βiology is a science that examines various types of cells and organisms such as viruses!

There are no arteries at the front of the rib-cage. Nerve-endings and veins are a dime a dozen, easily repaired by the body. It's the pain of it that's the biggest inconvenience. If we say that a bullet did get through the fictional anatomy of a man that has, essentially, a bullet-proof chest, it's more likely that a high velocity round would tear straight through him, and a through-and-through is nothing to really worry about in a battle-field situation such as it was (trust me, I speak from experience).

I only keep replying to rile you up. I'll stop before i'm in Met's bad books again:tongue:.

Take a chill, Brother. It's only fictional.

[Minerboh]

There are no arteries at the front of the rib-cage. Nerve-endings and veins are a dime a dozen, easily repaired by the body. It's the pain of it that's the biggest inconvenience. If we say that a bullet did get through the fictional anatomy of a man that has, essentially, a bullet-proof chest, it's more likely that a high velocity round would tear straight through him, and a through-and-through is nothing to really worry about in a battle-field situation such as it was (trust me, I speak from experience).

I only keep replying to rile you up. I'll stop before i'm in Met's bad books again:tongue:.

Take a chill, Brother. It's only fictional. Nerve endings are within the structure of the muscle so they can recieve or remove an electrical signal! Nervous tissues cannot be repaired but the body can by pass some of them if that's you mean! As for the arteries, they also there, only in a much smaller state, within the muscle along with the nerve. If a single blood vessel shatters the causing internal bleeding can produce two pathologies: an infection (which is most likely) and a hemothorax.
I am chilled, who said that i am not?

[Burning_Pumpkin]

Nerve endings are within the structure of the muscle so they can recieve or remove an electrical signal! Nervous tissues cannot be repaired but the body can by pass some of them if that's you mean! As for the arteries, they also there, only in a much smaller state, within the muscle along with the nerve. If a single blood vessel shatters the causing internal bleeding can produce two pathologies: an infection (which is most likely) and a hemothorax.
I am chilled, who said that i am not?

Stop it. You're very wrong and embarrassing yourself.

This is the end of it.

[Minerboh]

Stop it. You're very wrong and embarrassing yourself.

This is the end of it. Am I wrong? where exactly? Nerves cannot be repaired once they are shattered and internal bleedings can cause infections and hemothoraxes once they are near the lung! And from the last time i checked, muscles of all types are organs which means that they have blood vessels and nerve endings.

[James Conniff]

Spidey won't kill Norman, but I do expect to see a beat down occur. Norman is going to get a beating form the best in the Marvel U, and I think it may just be Spider-man who lands the knock out punch.

[RDMacQ]

Bendis promised in his Twitter interview regarding Siege that there is going to be a big confrontation coming between Norman and Spidey. HOWEVER, we don't know if this is going to happen IN Siege or if it will be taken care of in Spider-Man: The List.

As far as Spidey killing Osborn? No. Spidey isn't a killer, even when it comes to Osborn. In fact, out of all his teammates on the Avengers, Spidey has been the one to vehemently insist that killing Osborn is NOT the solution to their problems and they have to be held to a higher standard.

[rocky123]

Annual #5 of ASM proved that wrong

I think that's debatable. He sent the first missile into the river so he didn't know how powerful they really were. I'm pretty sure he sent the second missile at the car with the intention of disabling it so it couldn't send any more missiles at him not to kill the guy in the backseat.

[Evil-Spidey]

Have...have you ever actually read Punisher? Or Spider-Man, for that matter?

From Comicvine.com:

So what? Not everyone can be as cold blooded as Spider-Man, the Punisher at least has a sense of justice. I can see Spidey snap Normans neck in the near future because he stands in his way to rule the world as king of the Spiders.

[Red Lotus]

Spider-man could hesitate in a lonely confront with osborn, where kaine comes in, breaks norman neck, and tells peter this is what you should done long ago, and dies, fixing his existence out of the map, and making "peter" kill osborn withouth afecting the main character, and to make better irony, ,reveal that osborn was behind the jackal spider-man cloning, so he "died by his own hands"

I can almost see some thing like this going down. But it wouldn't be with Kaine, It would be some one else leaving Peter to feel bad for not stop them.

[Minerboh]

There is something that we all seem to be ignoring: can Norman be killed?
He was impaled right to the heart by his own glider and he came back and in Spider-Man #75 Spidey set him on fire by throwing at him a bunch of pupkin bombs and despite that he returned yet again a few months later.
Now. unless Mephisto deleted his healing factor, i can;t see how Spidey can kill Norman even if he wants to!

[Evil-Spidey]

There is something that we all seem to be ignoring: can Norman be killed?
He was impaled right to the heart by his own glider and he came back and in Spider-Man #75 Spidey set him on fire by throwing at him a bunch of pupkin bombs and despite that he returned yet again a few months later.
Now. unless Mephisto deleted his healing factor, i can;t see how Spidey can kill Norman even if he wants to!

Same way he killed Morlun by using his stingers? Or same way he killed Gwen by snapping his neck?

[Minerboh]

Same way he killed Morlun by using his stingers? Or same way he killed Gwen by snapping his neck? Morlun came back and frankly i don't think that by snapping his neck Norman can die. He survived much worse than that. On the top of that Spidey doesn't have stingers anymore

[Brother Justin Crowe]

So what? Not everyone can be as cold blooded as Spider-Man, the Punisher at least has a sense of justice. I can see Spidey snap Normans neck in the near future because he stands in his way to rule the world as king of the Spiders.

How the hell is Spider-Man cold-blooded when Castle will just as easily gun down a pimp as he would a jaywalker? Yeah, that's a sense of justice...if you're a psychopath. No, Frank Castle is the definition of cold-blooded.

[DKR]

That teaser is probably just for shock. There's no way Peter would kill Osborn no matter what, we saw that in American Son.
Bucky has Norman at gunpoint in one teaser though, so....