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Alexander the immortal
11-04-2009, 07:10 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8343123.stm
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CIA agents guilty of Italy kidnap
Hassan Mustafa Osama Nasr, pictured in 2007
Hassan Mustafa Osama Nasr was snatched from a street in Milan

An Italian judge has convicted 23 Americans - all but one of them CIA agents - and two Italian secret agents for the 2003 kidnap of a Muslim cleric.

The agents were accused of abducting Hassan Mustafa Osama Nasr, known as Abu Omar, from Milan and sending him to Egypt, where he was allegedly tortured.

The trial, which began in June 2007, is the first involving the CIA's so-called "extraordinary rendition" programme.

The Obama administration has expressed its disappointment at the convictions.

"We are disappointed by the verdicts," state department spokesman Ian Kelly said in Washington.

He declined to comment further pending a written opinion from the judge, but said an appeal was likely.

Three Americans and five Italians were acquitted by the court in Milan.

Symbolic ruling

The Americans were all tried in their absence as they have not been extradited from the US to Italy.

For us, this first case puts the war on terror on trial
Joanne Mariner
Human Rights Watch spokeswoman

The CIA's Milan station chief at the time, Robert Lady, was given an eight-year term, while the other 22 Americans convicted - one of them a US air force colonel - were sentenced to five years in prison.

Lawyers for the 23 Americans said they would appeal against their convictions.

The two Italian agents, who were convicted as accomplices to kidnapping, were given three-year prison terms.

The court also ruled that those convicted must pay 1m euros ($1.5m) in damages to Abu Omar and 500,000 euros to his wife.

CIA spokesman George Little in Washington declined to comment on the convictions, telling the Associated Press news agency: "The CIA has not commented on any of the allegations surrounding Abu Omar."

Secrecy laws

Italian prosecutors said Abu Omar was taken as part of a series of extraordinary renditions carried out by the CIA - when terror suspects were moved between countries without any public legal process.
Judge Oscar Magi, 4 Nov 2009
Judge Oscar Magi acquitted some of the highest-ranking defendants

They told the court he had been kidnapped in daylight on a Milan street in February 2003 and flown to Germany, and then Cairo, where he was held for years until being released without charge.

Judge Oscar Magi acquitted the CIA chief for Rome, Jeffrey Castelli, saying he was protected by state secrecy rules, as were the former head of Italy's military intelligence agency, Nicolo Pollari, and his deputy, Marco Mancini.

Mr Pollari, who resigned over the affair, told the court earlier this year that documents showing he had no involvement in the kidnapping were classified under secrecy laws.

Prosecutor Armando Spataro rejected the argument that legal provisions could shield those accused from prosecution, saying any agreement to carry out a kidnapping was "absolutely against Italian law".

He had sought a 13-year jail term for Mr Castelli and Mr Pollari and 12 years for Robert Lady.

Activist group Human Rights Watch welcomed the verdict, saying it sent "a strong signal of the crimes committed by the CIA in Europe".

Spokeswoman Joanne Mariner said: "For us, this first case puts the war on terror on trial."


Any comments ?

howyadoin
11-04-2009, 07:23 PM
Any comments ?The first one that comes to my mind is "good".

Radioactive Zombie
11-04-2009, 07:58 PM
I smell Burn Notice: Europe.

StoneGold
11-04-2009, 08:18 PM
Can we trade them for Polanski? How does the whole European Union thing work in regards to extradition?

Alexander the immortal
11-04-2009, 08:54 PM
Can we trade them for Polanski? How does the whole European Union thing work in regards to extradition?

I guess the stereotype must be correct. (well not really )

What of the three is the correct one ?

Switzerland is a member of the European Union.

Switzerland is not a member of the European Union.

Switzerland is planning to invade one of it's neighbors by 2030.

Chris N
11-04-2009, 09:08 PM
Surely two of them must be correct, because the last one is true and the first two partition all possible cases.

CYOTI
11-04-2009, 09:34 PM
I guess the stereotype must be correct. (well not really )

What of the three is the correct one ?

Switzerland is a member of the European Union.

Switzerland is not a member of the European Union.

Switzerland is planning to invade one of it's neighbors by 2030. They are armed to the teeth.

Chris N
11-04-2009, 09:37 PM
And their knives serve many different functions. Watch out!

mikekerr3
11-04-2009, 10:24 PM
They are armed to the teeth.

that one is actaully true the Swiss have the most heavily armed public in the world, more Automatic weapons per capita at that:biggrin:

Paradox
11-04-2009, 11:02 PM
Chris Nowlin should know I have tinfoil and am NOT afraid to make a hat!:

And their knives serve many different functions. Watch out!

I live in mortal fear of their Navy. :eek:

Serik
11-04-2009, 11:06 PM
that one is actaully true the Swiss have the most heavily armed public in the world, more Automatic weapons per capita at that:biggrin:

Indeed:

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa45/lionking_rocks/stuff/Buying_Ice_Cream-1.jpg

http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn294/anotherokie/schweiz/schweiz.jpg

the4thpip
11-05-2009, 01:19 AM
The title of this thread is actually incorrect.

The CIA agents were all convicted in absentia. They remian free in the US. They were not willing to face justice.

howyadoin
11-05-2009, 01:37 AM
Indeed:

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa45/lionking_rocks/stuff/Buying_Ice_Cream-1.jpg

http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn294/anotherokie/schweiz/schweiz.jpgAre those from a teabagger meeting?

Alexander the immortal
11-05-2009, 07:40 AM
anyway , any serious on topic comments about this subject ?

Charles RB
11-05-2009, 08:08 AM
The CIA agents were all convicted in absentia. They remian free in the US. They were not willing to face justice.

Therefore we need at least one major news outlet to report CIA Agents Are Pussies.