Who should kill Bishop off?

[Havok83]

So who should be the one to finally get rid of him?

[satchmo the dragon]

That would be stupid. Great villain.

[Jackraow21]

Cable. Or Hope.

[Psycwave]

Why would we want him killed off?
He's right.

[Henry T.]

Hope should cleanse him of his insanity and hatred.

[satchmo the dragon]

Hope should cleanse him of his insanity and hatred.

Why not do that with all supervillains then. Oh yeah because then no more comics for us to read.

[darknessatnoon]

He's the best X-Villain in 20 years. He needs to stick around.

[Talisman]

He needs more bionic parts.

[Goshin]

This might sound strange coming from a black reader, but I hate Bishop with a passion. Even as a kid, with his jheri curl and big muscles looking like a reject from Full Force (if you white google them).

Let Lockheed be the one to finish him off, he doesen't deserve to die by the hand of any major x-man or villain.

[cable guy]

Hopefully Cable just violently ends Bishops(this version) life once and for all.

End this game and soon!

[ZNOP]

So who should be the one to finally get rid of him?

In a alternative universe Scott (loser) Summers committed suicide -- Bishop could do himself. Why burden someone with the task?

[Washout]

I like Bishop as a villain, so I don't think he should die. He should never return to the X-men though. On the other hand, if Cyclops killed him, Cyke would enter my top five favorite X-men.

[Havok83]

Why would we want him killed off?
He's right.
bc he's a horrible character. He's been completely ruined since Messiah Complex and I feel he's run his course. Story is wrapping up and I think its time he gets killed off. I cant decide between Cable or Hope but definetly one of them

[Talisman]

This might sound strange coming from a black reader, but I hate Bishop with a passion. Even as a kid, with his jheri curl and big muscles looking like a reject from Full Force (if you white google them).

Let Lockheed be the one to finish him off, he doesen't deserve to die by the hand of any major x-man or villain.
Lisa Lisa and the Cult Jam would have words with you.

[darknessatnoon]

I like Bishop as a villain, so I don't think he should die. He should never return to the X-men though. On the other hand, if Cyclops killed him, Cyke would enter my top five favorite X-men.

After Hope kicks his ass, Bishop needs switch his vendetta to Layla for enabling his entire timeline and creating the monster, Trevor Fitzroy.

[Mind_Witch]

Something relating to his power being overloaded, perhaps as opposed to being outright killed by another, he mysteriously becomes a conductor for repeated lightning assault.

If he does live, however, I agree, he can not return to the x-men now, he should remain a "villain".

[Havok83]

He's the best X-Villain in 20 years. He needs to stick around.
really? What has he done that makes him such a great villian? He has to be one of the worst. He completely betrayed the X-men and has been coming across more insane than rational. Cable and Hope have been avoiding being murdered by him for more than 15 years now. One would think Bishop would just give up and move on already but he cant take a hint. He's a hypocrite on top of that bc he says he is doing this to stop Hope from causing the deaths of people in his future yet he's going around showing that he has no problem killing innocents in order to achieve his goals

[darknessatnoon]

really? What has he done that makes him such a great villian? He has to be one of the worst. He completely betrayed the X-men and has been coming across more insane than rational. Cable and Hope have been avoiding being murdered by him for more than 15 years now. One would think Bishop would just give up and move on already but he cant take a hint. He's a hypocrite on top of that bc he says he is doing this to stop Hope from causing the deaths of people in his future yet he's going around showing that he has no problem killing innocents in order to achieve his goals

I don't care about innocents or that he's a hypocrite. Why should a villain be anything but a hypocrite? I love his ruthlessness. I love that he's deceived the X-Men for years, making complete fools of Cyclops and Storm. I love that he has a cause. I love that Storm and Gambit were the ones responsible for his psychosis. I love that he tried to frame Gambit as revenge. I love that he's a "dirty cop."

[Psycwave]

Sacrifices have to be made to stop the ultimate evil. Let him stay and I agree with Darkness, he should go after Layla next.

[Havok83]

I don't care about innocents or that he's a hypocrite. Why should a villain be anything but a hypocrite? I love his ruthlessness. I love that he's deceived the X-Men for years, making complete fools of Cyclops and Storm. I love that he has a cause. I love that Storm and Gambit were the ones responsible for his psychosis. I love that he tried to frame Gambit as revenge. I love that he's a "dirty cop."
it matters bc its the whole premise behind his change and its a glaring flaw. At the rate he's going, him hunting Hope down and pretty much ruining her childhood by filling it with such violence is most likely what sets her off and causes this dark future, here's trying to avoid. How ironic would that be for him to bre responsible for destroying the lives of those, he's claiming to want to protect

[Psycwave]

I don't care about innocents or that he's a hypocrite. Why should a villain be anything but a hypocrite? I love his ruthlessness. I love that he's deceived the X-Men for years, making complete fools of Cyclops and Storm. I love that he has a cause. I love that Storm and Gambit were the ones responsible for his psychosis. I love that he tried to frame Gambit as revenge. I love that he's a "dirty cop."

Bishop is phenomenal.

[darknessatnoon]

it matters bc its the whole premise behind his change and its a glaring flaw. At the rate he's going, him hunting Hope down and pretty much ruining her childhood by filling it with such violence is most likely what sets her off and causes this dark future, here's trying to avoid. How ironic would that be for him to bre responsible for destroying the lives of those, he's claiming to want to protect

So what? Who cares if he's sane? Is Apocalypse sane? Is Mystique sane? Is Magneto sane? Is Nanny sane? Is "Claudine" sane? Is Selene sane? RESOUNDING NO.

[quillero]

it matters bc its the whole premise behind his change and its a glaring flaw. At the rate he's going, him hunting Hope down and pretty much ruining her childhood by filling it with such violence is most likely what sets her off and causes this dark future, here's trying to avoid. How ironic would that be for him to bre responsible for destroying the lives of those, he's claiming to want to protect

And that'd be a great story.

I'm curious. Who's a great villian for you?

[Havok83]

And that'd be a great story.

I'm curious. Who's a great villian for you?
Selene. The X-men dont really have any great villians these days, but she's about to change that

[quillero]

Selene. The X-men dont really have any great villians these days, but she's about to change that

And why do you like her?

[Havok83]

And why do you like her?
Bc she's an actual threat. Its hard to really comment on her bc her story JUST started. I will have to wait till Necrosha has progressed a bit more. She's been a joke for the past decade but Im seeing alot of potential with her rising again as a great villian bc the premise of her story is a good one.

[stormultt]

something tells me for some odd reason kitty is coming back and is going to kill him.

[quillero]

Bc she's an actual threat. Its hard to really comment on her bc her story JUST started. I will have to wait till Necrosha has progressed a bit more. She's been a joke for the past decade but Im seeing alot of potential with her rising again as a great villian bc the premise of her story is a good one.

And she's a crazy bitch. And a bad person. That's what makes a good villian.

[ExodusCloak]

He's the best X-Villain in 20 years. He needs to stick around.

Yeah, he needs to off Hope though.

[myspidernadsaretingling]

who's idea was to make bishop a villian?
The man did save the x-men from death when Xavier went banana's becoming Onslaught correct?
Its so awesome to see minority characters kill little white girls.

[Dudebro McTypo]

Hope needs to finish him.

[TJKernan]

You know, I bought that first issue he showed up in. Didn't like him then and all these years later-good, bad, and ugly-nothing has changed.

I hope he kills Cable then anybody kills him, and we will have two less multiversial future-timeline atrocities from the big-gun era ninties clogging up the X-verse...

[4sake]

Bishop should kill Archbishop/Lucas Bishop...

[Ninjax]

I enjoy Bishop but they need to do something with him instead of chasing Hope around in time, he should be a villlian for Cable and not just trying to kill Hope.

[Justin K.]

I wanna see Gambit do it. The two were rocky with each other all along...

[darknessatnoon]

There's a whole Bishop/Layla connection that needs to be worked on some more. Layla is responsible for so much of his mental illness.

[Mechano]

all of them in unison... while anole screws him in the face.

[darknessatnoon]

Wow, this thread is like a lynch mob. You guys do realize that you're screaming for the death of a black man, don't you?

[Mechano]

Wow, this thread is like a lynch mob. You guys do realize that you're screaming for the death of a black man, don't you?

bishop is the black woman that controls weather, right?

[RolandJP]

After Hope kicks his ass, Bishop needs switch his vendetta to Layla for enabling his entire timeline and creating the monster, Trevor Fitzroy.

This is the second time we have agreed on something. Now I am scared.

[Havok83]

Wow, this thread is like a lynch mob. You guys do realize that you're screaming for the death of a black man, don't you?
we're screaming for the death of a baby that tried to kill a baby numerous times

[InSovietRussia]

Wow, this thread is like a lynch mob. You guys do realize that you're screaming for the death of a black man, don't you?

What's your point?

[Dudebro McTypo]

Wow, this thread is like a lynch mob. You guys do realize that you're screaming for the death of a black man, don't you?

He's trying to kill a little girl for no reason other than he thinks she's gunna kill a bunch of people in the future. I see no probable cause :cool:

[atomicturtle]

He's a hypocrite on top of that bc he says he is doing this to stop Hope from causing the deaths of people in his future yet he's going around showing that he has no problem killing innocents in order to achieve his goals

I think this point ignores the psychology that's been explicity stated for Bishop by the authors. That being, he doesn't consider ANY of this to be real. He thinks he is completely justified in his murder spree and in killing pretty much everyone on the planet in order to "corner" Cable/Hope on the notion that any "immorality" of his actions will be erased as soon as he kills Hope and "saves the future." '

All their jumping through time, in his head, will never actually happen and therefore will never count. All the wrong he's done will never occur because, once he kills Hope he (and by extension, all his deeds) will "snap" back and replice the timeline now erased by the death of Hope.

It's actually pretty well-thought out, temporally speaking. Swierczynski has done a great job in explaining, in Bishop's train of thought, exactly why his actions are NOT hypocritical and entirely justified.

[Havok83]

I think this point ignores the psychology that's been explicity stated for Bishop by the authors. That being, he doesn't consider ANY of this to be real. He thinks he is completely justified in his murder spree and in killing pretty much everyone on the planet in order to "corner" Cable/Hope on the notion that any "immorality" of his actions will be erased as soon as he kills Hope and "saves the future." '

All their jumping through time, in his head, will never actually happen and therefore will never count. All the wrong he's done will never occur because, once he kills Hope he (and by extension, all his deeds) will "snap" back and replice the timeline now erased by the death of Hope.

It's actually pretty well-thought out, temporally speaking. Swierczynski has done a great job in explaining, in Bishop's train of thought, exactly why his actions are NOT hypocritical and entirely justified.
and that train of thought is exactly why he's insane and completly irrational with his actions

[CmX]

I don't care who kills him, it just needs to happen already.

[atomicturtle]

and that train of thought is exactly why he's insane and completly irrational with his actions

I disagree. It makes a weird kind of sense, actually. Evil Bishop chases Hope around and kills her, and in the very instant that he finally manages to, reality ends and is replaced with a new timeline, a new reality, in which none of it ever actually happened, and Evil Bishop will have never existed (and could not have ever existed - because there's now no reason for him to go back in time to kill the mutant messiah.)

Evil Bishop never winds up in a mutant concentration camp, never gets tattooed, never goes back in time - just lives out his life, in the future, as a completely different version of himself. That is, Evil Bishop - the one killing everything in sight - never comes to exist because he prevented his own existence from coming.

Now, I know temporal physics are a little quirky in the comic universes - but still, on its face, I can kind of appreciate how Bishop doesn't seem at all bothered by any of his actions. As far as he's and the rest of the universe is concerned, they'll never have happened. Heck, they'll never have had the reason to happen. For all intents and purposes, I think Bishop's rationale is that this is all a bad dream he's just trying to wake himself up from, and the only way he can do it is to kill Hope - an act which he considers meaningless, because he considers his currently reality meaningless. Just something waiting to be overwritten.

[Goshin]

At the exact moment Bishop is about to deal the death blow to Hope, Longshot just so happens to walk by holding a kitchen knife, slips, falls, and accidentally drives a knife into Bishop's forehead. The X-Men cheer and Longshot, clueless of what's going on, stands there looking confused like 'what did I do?'

[Havok83]

I disagree. It makes a weird kind of sense, actually. Evil Bishop chases Hope around and kills her, and in the very instant that he finally manages to, reality ends and is replaced with a new timeline, a new reality, in which none of it ever actually happened, and Evil Bishop will have never existed (and could not have ever existed - because there's now no reason for him to go back in time to kill the mutant messiah.)

Evil Bishop never winds up in a mutant concentration camp, never gets tattooed, never goes back in time - just lives out his life, in the future, as a completely different version of himself. That is, Evil Bishop - the one killing everything in sight - never comes to exist because he prevented his own existence from coming.

Now, I know temporal physics are a little quirky in the comic universes - but still, on its face, I can kind of appreciate how Bishop doesn't seem at all bothered by any of his actions. As far as he's and the rest of the universe is concerned, they'll never have happened. Heck, they'll never have had the reason to happen. For all intents and purposes, I think Bishop's rationale is that this is all a bad dream he's just trying to wake himself up from, and the only way he can do it is to kill Hope - an act which he considers meaningless, because he considers his currently reality meaningless. Just something waiting to be overwritten.

except thats not how time travel works and Bishop of all people should know that. There are an infinite amount of alternate futures and when he messes with one, it just diverges into a new one. If he kills Hope, then his future still remains; it will have only created a new one that will be alongside it, not replace it

[Greg Anderson]

The people responsible for the bullshit that's going on with Bishop can kiss and blow something of mine I hold dear.

[Spiffy]

Wow, this thread is like a lynch mob. You guys do realize that you're screaming for the death of a black man, don't you?
Well, color ME confused. What's his race have to do with anything?

[satchmo the dragon]

and that train of thought is exactly why he's insane and completly irrational with his actions

I disagree, you only feel that way because it's hard for you to imagine being a time traveller and seeing the things Bishop has seen, the atrocities. This is an old trope in science fiction time travel stories, a real twilight zone thing, would you push this button if someone in the world dies? That kind of thing. Plus it's realistic because in real life you have people like Bush and Obama killing thousands with their wars but they justify it to themselves as being for the greater good and a just war.

[CmX]

Well, color ME confused. What's his race have to do with anything?

Pun intended?

[satchmo the dragon]

except thats not how time travel works and Bishop of all people should know that. There are an infinite amount of alternate futures and when he messes with one, it just diverges into a new one. If he kills Hope, then his future still remains; it will have only created a new one that will be alongside it, not replace it

There is a messed up continuity of how time travel works in the marvel universe because if what you say is true days of future past story doesn't make sense, not to mention planet x for example.

[Havok83]

I disagree, you only feel that way because it's hard for you to imagine being a time traveller and seeing the things Bishop has seen, the atrocities. This is an old trope in science fiction time travel stories, a real twilight zone thing, would you push this button if someone in the world dies? That kind of thing. Plus it's realistic because in real life you have people like Bush and Obama killing thousands with their wars but they justify it to themselves as being for the greater good and a just war.One of the reasons why Bishop even came into this timeline in hte first place was to stop Onslaught from killing the X-men bc apparently thats what lead to his dark future. He succeeded but did it change things? No, his future was still messed up, apparently now bc of whatever he's trying to prevent from Hope


There is a messed up continuity of how time travel works in the marvel universe because if what you say is true days of future past story doesn't make sense, not to mention planet x for example. The Planet X or rather Here Comes Tomorrow future is a bit of exception. Jean eradicated that timeline. It no longer exists and she did that from within the White Hot Room which exists outside of time and space

Days of Future Past still holds. Its since been given the alternate earth designation Earth-811 as opposed to the main timeline of Earth-616

[Psycwave]

If anyone should be killed its Warren and Bobby/Sam. It's canon that they are the ones who pushed him to kill Hope in the first place.

Bishop is completely justified in his actions.

[Spiffy]

Pun intended?
Whadda you think? :tongue:

[Havok83]

If anyone should be killed its Warren and Bobby/Sam. It's canon that they are the ones who pushed him to kill Hope in the first place.

Bishop is completely justified in his actions.
huh? How so?

[darknessatnoon]

huh? How so?

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=286049

[Psycwave]

huh? How so?

This thread (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=286049) proves how Angel is directly responsible.
EDIT:Darkness already got it

And Hope is a bloodthirsty monster. Being trained by Cable I would expect no less though. I gleefully await the day Bishop puts a hole through her red headed skull.

[CmX]

I gleefully await the day Bishop puts a hole through her red headed skull.

That will most likely never happen.

[Havok83]

This thread (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=286049) proves how Angel is directly responsible.
EDIT:Darkness already got it

And Hope is a bloodthirsty monster. Being trained by Cable I would expect no less though. I gleefully await the day Bishop puts a hole through her red headed skull.
oh please that thread is beyond a stretch. Im ready for Hope to kill him already and if this is any indication, then she will at least start fighting back

http://i.newsarama.com/marvelnew/jan2010/16_cable_22.jpg

[MarvelGirlBoy]

Bc she's an actual threat. Its hard to really comment on her bc her story JUST started. I will have to wait till Necrosha has progressed a bit more. She's been a joke for the past decade but Im seeing alot of potential with her rising again as a great villian bc the premise of her story is a good one.

What and Bishop wasn't a joke before Messiah CompleX? Did you read him in X-Treme X-Men?! Speaking as someone who's always quite liked the guy, he was a waste of space. Messiah CompleX not only made Bishop relevant, it turned him into the villain with the most interesting in-universe motivations since Apocalypse turned up to represent "survival of the fittest" ideology.

Also, Bishop Is Right.


and that train of thought is exactly why he's insane and completly irrational with his actions

You clearly have trouble understanding subjectivity, and distinguishing between it and objectivity. We are privilege to the (mostly) 'objective' view of Bishop as 'wrong' and 'insane', but his subjective experience is that of a very carefully thought out and rationalised course of action for the good of mankind. Just because he can't see what we see doesn't make him a wasted character, it just makes him as flawed and realistic as Xavier, Magneto, Cyclops, Emma and any other number of compelling characters with ideologies.

[witness]

I don't care about innocents or that he's a hypocrite. Why should a villain be anything but a hypocrite? I love his ruthlessness. I love that he's deceived the X-Men for years, making complete fools of Cyclops and Storm. I love that he has a cause. I love that Storm and Gambit were the ones responsible for his psychosis. I love that he tried to frame Gambit as revenge. I love that he's a "dirty cop."

I must of missed this, how were Storm and Gambit responsible for his psychosis?

[darknessatnoon]

I must of missed this, how were Storm and Gambit responsible for his psychosis?

The Times and Life of Lucas Bishop. Storm and Gambit raised him with stories of the evil red-haired monster who they wrongly tried to protect when she was a baby. They obviously knew who Bishop was as both of them intentionally sought him out as a child.

[darknessatnoon]

http://i38.tinypic.com/27wrvox.jpg

[Havok83]

I must of missed this, how were Storm and Gambit responsible for his psychosis?
People like to blame all of Bishop's actions on other characters instead of letting him take responsbility for his own choices

[darknessatnoon]

People like to blame all of Bishop's actions on other characters instead of letting him take responsbility for his own choices

He's a fictional character. He has no free will.

[timbox]

I wish people would quit treating Bishop like a villain.

[witness]

The Times and Life of Lucas Bishop. Storm and Gambit raised him with stories of the evil red-haired monster who they wrongly tried to protect when she was a baby. They obviously knew who Bishop was as both of them intentionally sought him out as a child.

Thanks, I really need to get hold of The Times and life of Lucas Bishop. Got to be next on the back issue list, I feel.

[Greg Anderson]

What and Bishop wasn't a joke before Messiah CompleX? Did you read him in X-Treme X-Men?! Speaking as someone who's always quite liked the guy, he was a waste of space. Messiah CompleX not only made Bishop relevant, it turned him into the villain with the most interesting in-universe motivations since Apocalypse turned up to represent "survival of the fittest" ideology.



Well, look at who the heck was freakin' writing him. :mad:

[Havok83]

He's a fictional character. He has no free will.
within the context of the books, yeah he does


What and Bishop wasn't a joke before Messiah CompleX? Did you read him in X-Treme X-Men?! Speaking as someone who's always quite liked the guy, he was a waste of space. Messiah CompleX not only made Bishop relevant, it turned him into the villain with the most interesting in-universe motivations since Apocalypse turned up to represent "survival of the fittest" ideology.


Storm is pretty irrelvant these days; lets make her betray the X-men and turn into a murderous psycho bc Im sure that will do wonders for her character.

[Talisman]

http://i38.tinypic.com/27wrvox.jpg
What issue is this from? Is it the Uncanny '95 Annual?

[G. Boney]

This might sound strange coming from a black reader, but I hate Bishop with a passion.

I'm pretty sure we aren't all obligated to like a character just because he's black, dude.

[darknessatnoon]

What issue is this from? Is it the Uncanny '95 Annual?

Yes.


I'm pretty sure we aren't all obligated to like a character just because he's black, dude.

If you're not a racist, you are.

[darknessatnoon]

You guys do realize, don't you, that Marvel "did this" to Bishop because they wanted to marry Storm to a black man but Hudlin chose Black Panther? With Bishop around, they couldn't explain why she didn't just marry him, so they gave him a heel turn. Bishop's a patsy. The real villain is T'Challa.

[Goshin]

I think Gateway should make Bishop go outside and pick his own switch off the tree and get the ass-whuppin' of his life by dear ol grampa....

[Jack Flash]

LOL I read this as "Who should Bishop kill off?" and immediately thought of Rachel, Dazzler, Psylocke, and Polaris.

[G. Boney]

If you're not a racist, you are.

Gonna have to check the Black Folks Bylaws and then I'll get back to you.

[streator]

cable or hope, but probably hope at this point.

this bishop is irredeemable; he'll never be a hero again even if he was right about hope. he himself has killed more people than hope might.

i'd like to see bishop somehow come back as a hero again, which could be done seeing as how there's been different versions of him out there already. but the guy running around in cable deserves to die, and i'd like to see cable or hope finish him off.

[InSovietRussia]

If you're not a racist, you are.

The scary thing is that I guarantee you that there are people out there who actually believe stuff like this. America's one screwy country.

[Jack Flash]

The people responsible for the bullshit that's going on with Bishop can kiss and blow something of mine I hold dear.

your wallet?

[Slant]

I think Wolverine will get him. He needs another signature kill. Its been awhile since Sabretooth.

[DeadXMan]

Dreadlock Bishop should kill Bishop ( yeah Time travel is cool)

if not then Gambit.

[Foon4000]

His Granny, Storm, should be the one to off him. In a caring, family way.

[Slant]

if not then Gambit.

It would end Bishop's character very fittingly.

[Faded]

LOL I read this as "Who should Bishop kill off?" and immediately thought of Rachel, Dazzler, Psylocke, and Polaris.

LOL

abcdefghl

[ohsnapulon5000]

His Granny, Storm, should be the one to off him. In a caring, family way.

*sigh*
remeber when Monet was Bishop's grandma and that made sense in some way?

back to black, M. back to black.

[ProfeZZor X]

When will Marvel learn that good minority characters are hard to develop.

He should just be written off as a skrull, or he was brainwashed into doing it.

...I had much respect for Marvel bringing in Bishop when they did, now he's reduced to a crazy black man (I know he's an "abo") out to destroy. So if there's any hope that he will be redeemed and come back, I hope that it's explained in a tasteful way.

And while they're at it, BRING BACK MONDO!!!

[Stagier]

couldn't they (the xmen) time travel back BEFORE bishop went crazy?

..........

i miss district x

[direction9]

gambit should have been a poll option

[Stagier]

ugh gambit


why do all the xmen go crazy!?

start killing them ALL OFF

[HalaSon]

What I want to see is Hope just going beserek and killing everyone, and Bishop standing in the background saying " told ya so..."

[C. Earl]

Bishop ain't going to die. He'll be back with the X-Men, but his relationship with them will be different.

[Godlike13]

Cable, Hope shouldn't be killing anyone.

[Arkady]

A Bishop from an alternate future.