What would happen if the X-Men moved to Wakanda?

[Frostbite883]

Before the X-Men (and other mutants) left America the X-team decided to
place themselves, and the other mutants that they've rescued, in Wakanda.
Especially now, since Norman Osborn bard them from ever returning to that
country again.

How would wakandans feel towards these foreigners in their land (who
can never go back to the one they left behind)?

Would some (or most) american foreigners like or love Wakanda and
how would they cope with being exiled from America if some (or most)
foreigners ever missed it?

What would happen if Magneto comes along and wanted to stay in
Storm (Queen Ororo)'s new home country?

And most importantly, would Norman Osborn take any chance do everything
in his power to attack Wakanda and the exiled foreigners while T'Challa
is out of comission as the Black Panther and the king of Wakanda?

[lonewolf23k]

The X-Men would find the population of Wakanda a bit less welcoming then Ororo and T'Challa are.

[RolandJP]

Cyclop's new Costume :smile:

https://www.cultureapparel.com/shop/catalog/images/C-M200matrix.jpg


And Emma would get that much needed Tan.

[Prodigy55]

WAkandans are effin xenophobes!

[RolandJP]

WAkandans are effin xenophobes!

Lets see:

They haven't lynched anyone.

Enslaved anyone.


Maybe they are xenophobes with an asterisk. Unlike the former Genoshan country lol.

[Prodigy55]

i'm pretty sure gentle's entire country and family disowned him for being half russian. that's regular xenophobia, no asterisk

the x-men wouldnt be welcome in wakanda

[RolandJP]

i'm pretty sure gentle's entire country and family disowned him for being half russian. that's regular xenophobia, no asterisk

the x-men wouldnt be welcome in wakanda

I can assure you. Iv'e been to a Wakandan bar and they serve Black russians. :tongue:

Its late. And Im wasted

[Omega Alpha]

Boring stories.

[RolandJP]

Boring stories.

Unlike San Francisco. Hee Hee

[Prodigy55]

bast could become the new beast.

[Omega Alpha]

Unlike San Francisco. Hee Hee

OK, you win:biggrin:

[ZNOP]

Everyone except for Storm, Cloak, and Dagger -- would develop a sudden case of jungle fever? I'm just saying:tongue:

[ZNOP]

Lets see:

They haven't lynched anyone.

Enslaved anyone.


Maybe they are xenophobes with an asterisk. Unlike the former Genoshan country lol.

Heh, heh, heh:evilsmile:

Hey?:smile: shouldn't your link look like this?

http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad248/DirtyDave83/Storm-1.gif

[KiplingKat]

Lets see:

They haven't lynched anyone.

Enslaved anyone.


Maybe they are xenophobes with an asterisk. Unlike the former Genoshan country lol.

If you mean Magistrate run Genosha, then yes.
If you mean Magneto's Genosha, then no. Magneto's Genosha did not even have segregation, let alone enslavement and lynchings. In fact he had two humans in his advisory cabinet.

[KiplingKat]

Before the X-Men (and other mutants) left America the X-team decided to place themselves, and the other mutants that they've rescued, in Wakanda. Especially now, since Norman Osborn bard them from ever returning to that country again.

How would wakandans feel towards these foreigners in their land (who
can never go back to the one they left behind)?

Would some (or most) american foreigners like or love Wakanda and
how would they cope with being exiled from America if some (or most)
foreigners ever missed it?

What would happen if Magneto comes along and wanted to stay in
Storm (Queen Ororo)'s new home country?

And most importantly, would Norman Osborn take any chance do everything
in his power to attack Wakanda and the exiled foreigners while T'Challa
is out of comission as the Black Panther and the king of Wakanda?

In reference to the last question, No, because that would be the U.S. declaring war on Wakanda. It's one thing to take out someone trying to create a country within your own borders (which Utopia is), is another to declare war on another country to get to those people.

Honestly, after O:ZT I never understood why the X-Men remained in the U.S. Programs of genocide are usually the single most compelling reason to become an Ex-Pat.

As to how the Wakandans would react, well...they don't treat Nehnzo (sp?) well and he is a native, so they probably would not take well to the X-Men.

But there are much safer options that Utopia. There is the island Magneto raised in the Bermudas, there is the Savage Land, there is Genosha itself. All much better than trying to establish a country within the borders of the most powerful military on the planet.

[ZNOP]

If you mean Magistrate run Genosha, then yes.
If you mean Magneto's Genosha, then no. Magneto's Genosha did not even have segregation, let alone enslavement and lynchings. In fact he had two humans in his advisory cabinet.

I, do believe that Excelsior was refering to "Wakanda" in comparison to Genosha in general -- as far as xenophobia, enslavement and lynchings go. Still, even though Magneto was running the show -- civil war broke out anyway between Erik and the remaining human population and, was led by the Magistrates no less...

[KiplingKat]

Actually, Genosha had been torn apart by Mutate vs. Magistrate Civil War *long* before Magneto took it over. That war goes all the way back to Bloodties. They did not "break away from him", they had already been killing one another for a very long time when he showed up.That was one of the reasons the UN ceded it to him: They figured the long running Civil War there would contain him.

He ended it in six months and had rebuilt Genosha in a year and then everything was fine until the Supersentinel showed up.

Again, not even segregation.

[ZNOP]

Actually, Genosha had been torn apart by Mutate vs. Magistrate Civil War *long* before Magneto took it over. They did not "break away from him". They had already been killing one another for a very long time before he even showed up. That war goes all the way back to Bloodties. That was one of the reasons the UN ceded it to him: They figured the long running Civil War there would contain him.

He ended it in six months and had rebuilt Genosha in a year and then everything was fine until the Supersentinel showed up.

Again, not even segregation.

True that:smile: But, none of that has happened in Wakanda... Yet:wink:

Damn, because I mentioned it, some writer is going to destroy Wakanda for "GP" I just know it:biggrin:

[KiplingKat]

True that:smile: But, none of that has happened in Wakanda... Yet:wink:

Damn, because I mentioned it, some writer is going to destroy Wakanda for G.P. I just know it:biggrin:

GP?

When Utopia was formed inside US territorial waters, I thought Wakanda would have been a good option among many, but I did not realize T'Challa was not in power anymore. And yeah, they are xenophobes, which takes it off the table.

[ZNOP]

GP?

When Utopia was formed inside US territorial waters, I thought Wakanda would have been a good option among many, but I did not realize T'Challa was not in power anymore. And yeah, they are xenophobes, which takes it off the table.

1. GP (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=GP)

2. What does T'Challa not being in power have to do with anything?

3. How do you figure the citizens of Wakanda are Xenophobic? T'Chaka and those who ruled before him concealed the country from the outside world in order to prevent the manipulation and domination of Wakanda for it's rare and valuable resource "Vibranium" That's not Xenophobia... It's self presevation!


Failure to do so is called The Republic of South Afrika, aka "Cape Town"


OFFICIAL WEBSITE OF CHRISTOPHER J. PRIEST (http://phonogram.us/comics/panther/frames/faq.htm#xenophobia)

[KiplingKat]

1. GP (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=GP)

Ah. Thank you.


2. What does T'Challa not being in power have to do with anything?

Whomever is in power would be less inclined to help T'Challa's wife's friends than T'Challa would.


3. How do you figure the citizens of Wakanda are Xenophobic? T'Chaka and those who ruled before him concealed the country from the outside world in order to prevent the manipulation and domination of Wakanda for it's rare and valuable resource "Vibranium" That's not Xenophobia... It's self presevation!

I though that too, until someone up the thread pointed out how they treated Gentle like crap just becuase he was half-Russian. That's a little more than self-preservation.

Which is too bad, because "This is what happens when you invade Wakanda..." would have looked so nice carved across Norman's backside.

[darknessatnoon]

I would stop reading and discourage anyone I knew from buying Marvel. Wakanda is the worst fictional nation ever created. It needs to be nuked into glass.

[ZNOP]

Ah. Thank you.

No Problema:smile:


Whomever is in power would be less inclined to help T'Challa's wife's friends than T'Challa would.

That's debatable.


I though that too, until someone up the thread pointed out how they treated Gentle like crap just becuase he was half-Russian. That's a little more than self-preservation.

One would think that he would have known who his father was or that his mother would have, at the very least told him. Nope, when he came crawling back to his homeland, Wakanda -- he was blindsided and ostracized by his people and his own mother. What?!? Did she conveniently forget at birth that her son was half Russian? Why bother to outfit him with vibranium tattoos to keep his power under control if he was an undesirable? And, don't get me started on the correlation between “Worlds Apart” and the TAS episode of “Whatever It Takes” staring the Shadow King. Remember Mjnari, Godson of Storm? (Mjnari = Nezhno?) It reminds me of where and how "Jean Grey" was turned into guardian of the M'Krann Crystal.

Anyway, I digress... It's been a growing trend at “Marvel Comics Group” for many years now -- where the visually black character(s) are suddenly of mixed race, dating/married to someone of another race, or have physical features that set them apart from their own race and far closer to another (a condition I like to call “lite white”®) An extreme few, are straight-up black. The visually white character(s) oddly enough do not seem to suffer from this bewildering phenomenon. Go figure:confused:


Which is too bad, because "This is what happens when you invade Wakanda..." would have looked so nice carved across Norman's backside.

Now, that can still happen:biggrin:

[Mind_Witch]

Nothing that will bode well. No doubt the Black Panther would become a recurring associate, which is not what the x-men needs, given it is already inundated with the likes of namor, cloak and dagger,magneto, the x-club, and many x-men not being used or used badly (all of them).
And even if it is a shaky concept, utopia is at least rooted in the x-verse somewhat: wakanda would only "marvel"ise the franchise more.

[InSovietRussia]

I would stop reading and discourage anyone I knew from buying Marvel. Wakanda is the worst fictional nation ever created. It needs to be nuked into glass.

It's the second worst fictional nation ever created... number one is Latveria. Imaginary countries that read like something you'd find on TVtropes.com aren't a good way to tell a story. If you want to set something abroad, pick a real country.

[darknessatnoon]

It's the second worst fictional nation ever created... number one is Latveria. Imaginary countries that read like something you'd find on TVtropes.com aren't a good way to tell a story. If you want to set something abroad, pick a real country.

Latveria at least has one charismatic character. Wakanda had to import Queen Divine Justice to get one person with a personality.

[Frostbite883]

I believe Pixie would annoy some or few of the wakandan people
by becoming talkative (or very talkative) in that country.

Or just one if not some or few wakandans.

[Havok83]

Wakanda doesnt want them! lol

[The Black Guardian]

I can assure you. Iv'e been to a Wakandan bar and they serve Black russians. :tongue:

Its late. And Im wasted
Yes, they serve them... but they have to sit in the back.

[Yogaflame]

The Wakandans are weary of foreigners because most foreigners are scary! Wakanda has lived in peace and harmony with its environment for 10,000 years, since the rise of Bashenga and the Black Panther cult. While there may be tribal and other such interpersonal squabbles, Wakanda enjoys a stability the rest of the world has never known including a nearly absent level of civil unrest, inter-personal violence and joblessness. It is only in the last generation(since T'Chaka's and T'Challa's efforts) that Wakanda has engaged in trade and interaction with the wider world.

I imagine there are two Wakandas, the traditional Wakanda and the new generation of younger people who have grown up in the last 15-20 years and have been influenced by Western culture. Some of the traditional Wakandans might see foreign people as unbalanced and threatening the stability of their own peace, while some might be curious of the strange ways and wish to learn about them. Young Wakandans might be more interested in world cultures beyond Wakanda from tv and the internet, but some of them too would be weary after seeing the negative qualities of the Western lifestyle.

But to say that Wakandans are 'xenophobic'(which I think many people associate with 'racist') is probably incorrect. T'Chaka married a foreign woman after T'Challa's mother died, and she is a revered and honored Queen Mother to the nation to this day. Similarly, while there was some discussion and concern with T'Challa marrying Ororo, she too has won over a great deal of the nation's people, despite being a foreigner or a mutant. Photon, another foreign superhero, was also welcomed by Wakandas and even praised as a "sun goddess". If mutants were actively being exiled or under threat of genocide by America, I think the average Wakandan would feel compassion and understand if Storm and the Black Panther offered the mutants safe haven within Wakanda's borders. And for those of you who ever read Earth X, at least Beast ends up taking up residency in Wakanda with Black Panther and Storm, a part, it seemed, of the royal court.

[worstblogever]

The X-Men would help protect Wakanda, and predictably, as things go, the Wakandans would still hate and fear them. Possibly even more so than in the U.S.

Ask Nehnzo about it.

[Aguja]

I had no idea they hated Nehnzo, I <3 Nehnzo. My love affair with Wakanda is now over, it can DIAF.

[worstblogever]

I had no idea they hated Nehnzo, I <3 Nehnzo. My love affair with Wakanda is now over, it can DIAF.

Yeah, one of the issues of X-Men: Divided We Stand revealed that the general Wakandan populace hates Nehnzo because his mother had the nerve to father him with a dreaded outsider from Russia.

Now, picture all the X-Men with no parents from Wakanda. How are they going to get along if they try to be immigrants in the Panther God's backyard?

Hated and feared, man. Hated and feared.

[Filthy Mutie]

They would catch-up on all of their favorite television shows and become more well-versed in current events.

[ProfeZZor X]

...There would be a lot of interracial kids running around.

[Freakzeek]

The Wakandans are weary of foreigners because most foreigners are scary! Wakanda has lived in peace and harmony with its environment for 10,000 years, since the rise of Bashenga and the Black Panther cult. While there may be tribal and other such interpersonal squabbles, Wakanda enjoys a stability the rest of the world has never known including a nearly absent level of civil unrest, inter-personal violence and joblessness. It is only in the last generation(since T'Chaka's and T'Challa's efforts) that Wakanda has engaged in trade and interaction with the wider world.

I imagine there are two Wakandas, the traditional Wakanda and the new generation of younger people who have grown up in the last 15-20 years and have been influenced by Western culture. Some of the traditional Wakandans might see foreign people as unbalanced and threatening the stability of their own peace, while some might be curious of the strange ways and wish to learn about them. Young Wakandans might be more interested in world cultures beyond Wakanda from tv and the internet, but some of them too would be weary after seeing the negative qualities of the Western lifestyle.

But to say that Wakandans are 'xenophobic'(which I think many people associate with 'racist') is probably incorrect. T'Chaka married a foreign woman after T'Challa's mother died, and she is a revered and honored Queen Mother to the nation to this day. Similarly, while there was some discussion and concern with T'Challa marrying Ororo, she too has won over a great deal of the nation's people, despite being a foreigner or a mutant. Photon, another foreign superhero, was also welcomed by Wakandas and even praised as a "sun goddess". If mutants were actively being exiled or under threat of genocide by America, I think the average Wakandan would feel compassion and understand if Storm and the Black Panther offered the mutants safe haven within Wakanda's borders. And for those of you who ever read Earth X, at least Beast ends up taking up residency in Wakanda with Black Panther and Storm, a part, it seemed, of the royal court.

http://i731.photobucket.com/albums/ww318/Freakzeek_2009/kaneklapqo6.gif

[Home made ectoplasm]

What would happen is that it would last for 12 issues and then there would be some crossover that changed everything and then they would leave and then something else would happen

repeat ad infinitum

[Frostbite883]

Would wakandans and their tech be able the withstand against
the X-Men's enemies such as Apocalypse or Sinister if they
come to Wakanda to get revenge on the X-Men or capture mutants
to experiment on (respectively). Maybe Sinister would have his
Mauraders to steal the wakandans' technology for his own use
and/or capture the wakandans to see what makes them tick.

[Jess C.H.]

Everyone except for Storm, Cloak, and Dagger -- would develop a sudden case of jungle fever? I'm just saying:tongue:

Damn!! Good thing I checked first. You beat me to it.

Black coffee, no sugar, no cream please.

[Frostbite883]

What would happen is that it would last for 12 issues and then there would be some crossover that changed everything and then they would leave and then something else would happen

And speaking of crossovers, if this "moved to Wakanda" scenario were to happened than
it's possible that an issue of Black Panther (vol. 5) can become a Necrosha tie-in one.

[MartinRedmond]

And speaking of Russia, did the X-Men send the Russian women to Wakanda? What's up with them? :(

[Frostbite883]

Which comic book (and issue) did you find this info from?

[Talisman]

Can the black panther cult be linked to the cults like Jim Jones? I wonder when T'Challa's gonna start passing around the new flavored Kool-Aid.

[Aguja]

Yeah, one of the issues of X-Men: Divided We Stand revealed that the general Wakandan populace hates Nehnzo because his mother had the nerve to father him with a dreaded outsider from Russia.

Now, picture all the X-Men with no parents from Wakanda. How are they going to get along if they try to be immigrants in the Panther God's backyard?

Hated and feared, man. Hated and feared.

So why do they accept Storm? She isn't Wakandan is she? Was that retconned into her history along with her eternal love of BP? I guess if you're doing it with a Wakandan you are accepted?

[KiplingKat]

So why do they accept Storm? She isn't Wakandan is she? Was that retconned into her history along with her eternal love of BP? I guess if you're doing it with a Wakandan you are accepted?

They haven't really. I mean, they have accepted her as T'Challa choice, but she is still viewed as an outsider.

[Umbra]

They haven't really. I mean, they have accepted her as T'Challa choice, but she is still viewed as an outsider.

http://www.comicsbulletin.com/reviews/images/0902/blackpanther14.jpg

All Wakandan's don't t think the same.

[KiplingKat]

http://www.comicsbulletin.com/reviews/images/0902/blackpanther14.jpg

All Wakandan's don't t think the same.

Interesting, I had not seen that. Thank for the scan. :smile:

[Daouda]

http://www.comicsbulletin.com/reviews/images/0902/blackpanther14.jpg

All Wakandan's don't t think the same.

This scene is from BP #1 (2009).
Reggie knocked this issue out the park.
The questions the people have for Ororo are so natural.
This, and another scene from before T'Challa and Ororo were married, shows how the majority of Wakanda feel about Storm. It's a good feeling.
The Black Panther comic is awesome.

Thanks for the scan Umbra.

I don't think Wakanda would serve the purposes of the various X-Men series though.


Excelsior!

Daoud

[RolandJP]

Can the black panther cult be linked to the cults like Jim Jones? I wonder when T'Challa's gonna start passing around the new flavored Kool-Aid.


BP's cult is more like Lisa Lisa and the cult jam. Less Kool-aid more backspins.

[Talisman]

BP's cult is more like Lisa Lisa and the cult jam. Less Kool-aid more backspins.
That's good. Nothing wrong with getting lost in emotionnnn...oh baby.

[Frostbite883]

It'll be interesting to see Deadpool come to Wakanda and join the X-Men
because he though Cyclops, Shuri and/or Storm invited him to come
to that country (besides mutants).

I can see Deadpool fighting wakandans soldiers/warriors to get to the current
home of the X-Men and I believe Cyclops and/or Woverine would convince
Storm and the Wakandan Council to let D. Pool stay at Wakanda and promised
them that he and his team will watch over the Crimson Comedian, but also
promised that if Deadpool gets out of line, them'll get him out of their country.

So, D. Pool would've been a member of the X-Men (like he is in reality) and
would hang in Wakanda in his own comic book and/or an X-title.

Or maybe more than one.

[Aguja]

This scene is from BP #1 (2009).

The questions the people have for Ororo are so natural.

Excelsior!

Daoud

Are they? Those seem like rather silly questions for the people of an advanced country to be asking their new queen. I get the 'where was your family from' bit but the others?

[Iron Maiden]

Are they? Those seem like rather silly questions for the people of an advanced country to be asking their new queen. I get the 'where was your family from' bit but the others?

The questions are being asked by children and they sound quite reasonable to me.

[Aguja]

The questions are being asked by children and they sound quite reasonable to me.

Oh those are children, I didn't notice :redface:

[Prodigy55]

Who cares if Black Panther paid a few kids to memorize some lines praising Storm. Divided We Stand showed the real Wakanda, full of racist xenophobes.

[BBeeryan]

Who cares if Black Panther paid a few kids to memorize some lines praising Storm. Divided We Stand showed the real Wakanda, full of racist xenophobes.

Why weren't you standing next to Scott when that brick was thrown?

[darknessatnoon]

Who cares if Black Panther paid a few kids to memorize some lines praising Storm. Divided We Stand showed the real Wakanda, full of racist xenophobes.

Any decent Wakandan parent pulled their children out of that liberal school the very next morning.

[Talisman]

Why weren't you standing next to Scott when that brick was thrown?
Why don't you go try to catch amoebic dysentery?

[Prodigy55]

I like how Black Panther interrupted her just as she was about to say that her father was an American. OH LOL, Umbra got banned.

[BBeeryan]

Why don't you go try to catch amoebic dysentery?
For a minute there I was under the impression that you wanted to have sex with me. I got scared. I'm fine now. Thanks for asking.

I like how Black Panther interrupted her just as she was about to say that her father was an American. OH LOL, Umbra got banned.
Did he really? That's weird.

[Kasper Cole]

I like how Black Panther interrupted her just as she was about to say that her father was an American. OH LOL, Umbra got banned.

smh

Black Panther was severely injured and his plane was crashing. That's what that kid was pointing at.

[Iron Maiden]

Yeah, funny how some people like to see things their own way no matter what. T'Challa purposely crash landed while semi concious and almost dead from the fight with Doctor Doom just so he can hush Storm up.

[Talisman]

For a minute there I was under the impression that you wanted to have sex with me. I got scared. I'm fine now. Thanks for asking.
Ooh, that was almost clever. Too bad I've read other things you've typed as that brings your average way down.

[quillero]

Storm's so lazy. She didn't prepare an speech, probably because she'd rather watch Oprah, and came up with that "ask me questions" crap.

[Talisman]

Storm's so lazy. She didn't prepare an speech, probably because she'd rather watch Oprah, and came up with that "ask me questions" crap.
She was getting ready to pass out O's newest find from her book club. Ororo feels compelled to drop Wakanda's illiteracy rate and what better way than by shoving more drivel from Oprah's book club selections?

[Prodigy55]

She was getting ready to pass out O's newest find for her book club. She feels compelled to drop Wakanda's illiteracy rate.

Wakanda has 100% literacy! And the cure for cancer and AIDS! They are 100% perfect!

Except of course being selfish and not sharing their medicine to the millions of people who die, and hating everyone from other countries.

[quillero]

She was getting ready to pass out O's newest find from her book club. Ororo feels compelled to drop Wakanda's illiteracy rate and what better way than by shoving more drivel from Oprah's book club selections?

I bet T'Challa prays it doesn't spread. If they start reading they might start asking for a Constitution.

[RolandJP]

Wakanda has 100% literacy! And the cure for cancer and AIDS! They are 100% perfect!

Except of course being selfish and not sharing their medicine to the millions of people who die, and hating everyone from other countries.


Of course the Inhumans, the Atlanteans and even Latveria is exempt. :eek:


Hating other countries since when? All i read is the adventures of a country that has kicked the ass of every invader that tried to take it over. Show me this hate you speak of.

[Talisman]

I bet T'Challa prays it doesn't spread. If they start reading they might start asking for a Constitution.
Who needs a constitution when you have a backwards cult and panther god selected leaders?

[Talisman]

Of course the Inhumans, the Atlanteans and even Latveria is exempt. :eek:

The Inhumans aren't even on Earth anymore, and have been vilified more times than you can shake a Shuri at. We keep destroying the Atlanteans home, so we deserve to be attacked, and you've got Doom. A T'Challa with personality.

[Prodigy55]

All those countries aren't hogging the cure for all diseases. I bet they had the Legacy Virus cure way before the X-Men did.

[RolandJP]

The Inhumans aren't even on Earth anymore, and have been vilified more times than you can shake a Shuri at.

Wakanda is like Israel

No one can just enter that country and just claim heritage or birthright. And one man had the cure for cancer not the entire nation.

[RolandJP]

And to vilify T'challa for Cancer drugs is insulting.

BP died for his sins and was resurrected.

Just like jean.

[Prodigy55]

He KILLED Captain Marvel.

[RolandJP]

I wish he had a cure for internet hyperbole

[Talisman]

And to vilify T'challa for Cancer drugs is insulting.

BP died for his sins and was resurrected.

Just like jean.

I'd prefer he died and be resurrected as Kasper Cole. Now that's a BP I could get behind.

[quillero]

Who needs a constitution when you have a backwards cult and panther god selected leaders?

I bet you can't even google "democracy" from a Wakandan IP.

[Prodigy55]

Don't forget his harem of teenage girls, who are only allowed to speak to him.

[RolandJP]

Don't forget his harem of teenage girls, who are only allowed to speak to him.


He was just going through his Elvis phase.

[Talisman]

He was just going through his Elvis phase.

With the probable inbreeding of the Wakandan people from being so isolated, it's more likely he's going through his Jerry Lee Lewis phase.

[Kasper Cole]

I'd prefer he died and be resurrected as Kasper Cole. Now that's a BP I could get behind.

As big of a fan as I am of Kasper you do realize that the character is FAR from a saint right?

[quillero]

Does Wakanda even have a Parliament?

[Talisman]

As big of a fan as I am of Kasper you do realize that the character is FAR from a saint right?
I do, but I find him to be more interesting than T'Challa. And being pretty much a blank slate, there's so much you could do with him.

[Kasper Cole]

Does Wakanda even have a Parliament?

They have a tribal council. It should also be noted that there's a difference between being King/Queen of Wakanda and being Cheiftain of the Panther cult. Nearly anyone can become Black Panther if they pass the trials.


I do, but I find him to be more interesting than T'Challa. And being pretty much a blank slate, there's so much you could do with him.

He's really not a blank slate though. Priest REALLY fleshed Kasper out as a character and as of right now he's got some huge unresolved issues in regards to his war/connections with the 66 bridges gang.

[quillero]

They have a tribal council. It should also be noted that there's a difference between being King/Queen of Wakanda and being Cheiftain of the Panther cult. Nearly anyone can become Black Panther if they pass the trials.
.

Interesting. Is it more like a consulting body or does it have legislative powers?. (I really wanna know)

[Talisman]

He's really not a blank slate though. Priest REALLY fleshed Kasper out as a character and as of right now he's got some huge unresolved issues in regards to his war/connections with the 66 bridges gang.

That may be all well and true, but it's not like he's got 40 years of back history bogging him down. His unresolved issues could be fleshed out and resolved within one storyline. He's more flawed as a character, not so dues ex, and that's what ultimately draws me to him than T'Challa.

[RolandJP]

Does Wakanda even have a Parliament?

Well yeah.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHREjqfaFVI

[Kasper Cole]

Interesting. Is it more like a consulting body or does it have legislative powers?. (I really wanna know)

I'm not sure where it stands now but before they were basically a consulting body for the most part but during Priest's run T'Challa had actually given them a large degree of power.


That may be all well and true, but it's not like he's got 40 years of back history bogging him down. His unresolved issues could be fleshed out and resolved within one storyline. He's more flawed as a character, not so dues ex, and that's what ultimately draws me to him than T'Challa.

Well Kasper was created to be a dark version of Peter Parker/Spider-Man, so of course he's going to have more flaws than T'Challa. T'Challa does have his flaws though, he has the same level of Hubris that Stark does.

[Talisman]

Well Kasper was created to be a dark version of Peter Parker/Spider-Man, so of course he's going to have more flaws than T'Challa. T'Challa does have his flaws though, he has the same level of Hubris that Stark does.
And...??? I don't understand why this is considered a bad thing, or an all-together original thing. I do appreciate how it was original as most black characters at that point are often given 2 personalities, the early Cage/Rage persona or the Black Goliath non-personality persona. PP has been the model for several other characters, some good, some not so much. T'Challa has the hubris but not the chutzpah to follow through and often comes through as being bland, cold and calculating.

[Kasper Cole]

And...??? I don't understand why this is considered a bad thing, or an all-together original thing. I do appreciate how it was original as most black characters at that point are often given 2 personalities, the early Cage/Rage persona or the Black Goliath non-personality persona. PP has been the model for several other characters, some good, some not so much. T'Challa has the hubris but not the chutzpah to follow through and often comes through as being bland, cold and calculating.

I didn't say it was a bad thing I was just stating a the fact that Priest created the character to be a dark version of Peter Parker.

I don't agree, the chutzpah was defenitly ampted up during Hudlin's run and could also be seen during Priest's run whenever he dealt with anyone not a part of his inner circle and also during parts of Busiek's and Johns' Avengers runs.

[Talisman]

I didn't say it was a bad thing I was just stating a the fact that Priest created the character to be a dark version of Peter Parker.

I don't agree, the chutzpah was defenitly ampted up during Hudlin's run and could also be seen during Priest's run whenever he dealt with anyone not a part of his inner circle and also during parts of Busiek's and Johns' Avengers runs.

I must have not been seeing it, and didn't care for the 'Afro-Americanization' of T'Challa in Hudlin's run. Him getting a gangsta swagga was not befitting of royalty.

[Kasper Cole]

I must have not been seeing it, and didn't care for the 'Afro-Americanization' of T'Challa in Hudlin's run. Him getting a gangsta swagga was not befitting of royalty.

I always see people say things like this but I never say it during Hudlin's run. The only example anyone can seem to point to is that House of M issue, which obviously shouldn't count.

[Talisman]

I always see people say things like this but I never say it during Hudlin's run. The only example anyone can seem to point to is that House of M issue, which obviously shouldn't count.

What about the whole 'you got me straight trippin' boo' dialogue?

[Kasper Cole]

What about the whole 'you got me straight trippin' boo' dialogue?

That was in the House of M issue...Considering that was an alternate reality I don't think that should count as lots of things were supposed to be different. Even in that instance he's referring to an American song.

[Frostbite883]

It's possible that if the mutants came to Wakanda then Cable & Hope Summers
would also go there once they return from time travelling from different eras
and escaping Bishop.

When they arrive in Wakanda, maybe some Wakandans would see Hope as
a threat, possibly more so like Bishop had/does, and would not want her
(including the foreign mutants and Nezhno) there.

More coming soon

[Frostbite883]

T'Challa & Storm would allow Hope to stay in Wakanda.

T will be prepared for Bishop (and any allies he'll have) in case
the former X-member comes to Wakanda to try and kill her.

Sooner or Later, Bish would either with team-up T'Challa's rogue gallery or
with a group of Wakandans who'd believe his theory on who/what Hope really is.

More coming soon

[Filthy Mutie]

T'Challa & Storm would allow Hope to stay in Wakanda.

T will be prepared for Bishop (and any allies he'll have) in case
the former X-member comes to Wakanda to try and kill her.

Sooner or Later, Bish would either with team-up T'Challa's rogue gallery or
with a group of Wakandans who'd believe his theory on who/what Hope really is.

More coming soon

I think T'Challa and Bishop would team-up to have Hope killed.