Pyro: Vi-Lock?

[The Lucky One]

So I was reading the Necrosha one-shot yesterday and thinking about how great it is to see Pyro again. Then I remembered how he died of the Legacy Virus, and the possible implications of that. I don't know much about pathology, so maybe someone can enlighten us- when someone dies of a virus, do all remnants of said virus eventually disappear from their body, or do the remnants just go into sort of a dead or dormant state?

The reason I ask is that Pyro was a carrier of the Legacy Virus and eventually died from it. We know Colossus later died activating the cure, which disseminated around the world and purged all living mutants of the virus. I guess the question is, did that extend to inactive traces of the virus in deceased mutants? There was an Exiles storyline in which the team traveled to a world where Cypher contracted the Legacy Virus, and Warlock tried to cure him by infecting him with the transmode virus. Instead, the two viruses mutated to create a hybrid disease, one that wasn't fatal but was far more virulent than either of its parents. It afflicted both humans and mutants, turning them into "Vi-Locks," techno-organic zombies that hungered for life energy and spread the virus mercilessly; within weeks it had taken over 70% of the world.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/27967/697002-vi_locks_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/vi_locks/105-697002/)

I don't have any expectations that that's even on Marvel's radar for this story, but just for fun, in theory, should it be a concern for the Marvel Universe? Hypothetically, would Pyro still have traces of Legacy in his system? Because as the Exiles learned, Legacy Virus + techno-organic = baaaaad news.

-D

[SayOcean]

one of my favorite exiles storylines.....but i never knew how it happened

[Prodigy55]

Yes, that was a good Exiles story.

But I think when he died, the Legacy virus died with him. It was different in the Exiles story because Doug was still alive when he was infected with the TO virus.

[Aguja]

I think the virus dies. Revanche also died of the virus and her body was recently revived as well and there was no trace of the virus.

[The Lucky One]

Yes, that was a good Exiles story.

But I think when he died, the Legacy virus died with him. It was different in the Exiles story because Doug was still alive when he was infected with the TO virus.

That's true, and who knows... maybe that would qualify as an explanation. It just seems like if the T-O virus is rebuilding these people's bodies from the ground up -- some of them literally from nothing but skeletons -- and then restoring life to them, that would include dormant traces of whatever viruses or germs they might have had at death, be it a common cold or Legacy. Unless the body gets actually cremated or something, I'm pretty sure germs remain viable.

But then again, maybe I'm just talking out my ass. :smile:

-D

[Darth Logan]

One of the best Exiles stories to be sure. I never noticed before but is that Green Lantern between Hawkeye and Spider-Man?

[ZNOP]

I don't know much about pathology, so maybe someone can enlighten us- when someone dies of a virus, do all remnants of said virus eventually disappear from their body, or do the remnants just go into sort of a dead or dormant state?

Well, if history is any kind of a teacher and, it is... The Greeks and Romans provide some of the earliest biological attacks through their practice of polluting drinking water supplies with corpses. During the Elizabethan era when the bubonic plague, AKA the "Black Death", was virulent, The Mongols catapulted infected corpses over the city walls of "Crimea" in 1347 to infect the inhabitants. This practice continued during the "American Indian" and "Civil" War(s) with the use of "Small Pox" ( Infected, "We come in peace:biggrin:" blankets! )

[Hindsight lad]

Well, if history is any kind of a teacher and, it is... The Greeks and Romans provide some of the earliest biological attacks through their practice of polluting drinking water supplies with corpses. During the Elizabethan era when the bubonic plague, AKA the "Black Death", was virulent, The Mongols catapulted infected corpses over the city walls of "Crimea" in 1347 to infect the inhabitants. This practice continued during the "American Indian" and "Civil" War(s) with the use of "Small Pox" ( Infected, "We come in peace" blankets! )

Actually, the only evidence that exists of giving Native Americans garments infected with small pox is from a single letter suggesting it during, I think, the French and Indian Wars. There is not even any definitive evidence that the plot was carried out; it probably was, but we can't know for sure. I don't believe there is any evidence of the US Army using small pox during the Indian Wars, but if you have evidence, I would love to see it.

And during the Civil War, the Confederates sent shipments of blankets covered with the pus and bile of yellow fever sufferers, but yellow fever is only spread via mosquito, not contact, so the plan did not work.

Hindsight lad

[Novaya Havoc]

Exiles is NOT CANON (any Psylocke fan will tell you this).

However, there are two exceptions:

Mariko Sunfire
and
IMPERIUS REGINA (the most awesome Namora ever) <3

[ZNOP]

Actually, the only evidence that exists of giving Native Americans garments infected with small pox is from a single letter suggesting it during, I think, the French and Indian Wars. There is not even any definitive evidence that the plot was carried out; it probably was, but we can't know for sure. I don't believe there is any evidence of the US Army using small pox during the Indian Wars, but if you have evidence, I would love to see it.

And, I would love to provide it for you. But, to explain historical events that are shrouded in skepticism would undoutably lead to nothing more than argument(s). Many claim that the "Holocaust" didn't happen either. So I pass.

And during the Civil War, the Confederates sent shipments of blankets covered with the pus and bile of yellow fever sufferers, but yellow fever is only spread via mosquito, not contact, so the plan did not work.

And yet, by your very statement you agree that an attempt was made. So "Yellow Fever" didn't work -- who's to say the "Bubonic Plague" didn't? Active, timeframe notwithstanding.

[Hindsight lad]

And, I would love to provide it for you. But, to explain historical events that are shrouded in skepticism would undoutably lead to nothing more than argument(s). Many claim that the "Holocaust" didn't happen either. So I pass.


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And during the Civil War, the Confederates sent shipments of blankets covered with the pus and bile of yellow fever sufferers, but yellow fever is only spread via mosquito, not contact, so the plan did not work.

And yet, by your very statement you agree that an attempt was made. So "Yellow Fever" didn't work -- who's to say the "Bubonic Plague" didn't? Active, timeframe notwithstanding.

Dude, I was just saying they didn't use small pox. I imagine a fair number of people were innoculated against small pox by the 1860s anyway.

And you don't need the quotes on yellow fever or bubonic plauge.

Hindsight lad

[Brother Justin Crowe]

Hey, wait a sec, is that a Green Lantern chillin' next to Hawkeye? Awesome.

[The Lucky One]

Well, if history is any kind of a teacher and, it is... The Greeks and Romans provide some of the earliest biological attacks through their practice of polluting drinking water supplies with corpses.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I was thinking... not so much intentional biological attacks, but the fact that diseases live on even in corpses, sometimes in a dormant state. In theory, since the Legacy Virus was in St. John's body, when the transmode virus reanimated him it would have restored life to everything contained within his body, including whatever germs or microbes he was carrying. Unless the cure for the Legacy Virus wiped out all traces of it everywhere, even dormant samples in dead tissue. (Which, actually, can't be the case, because didn't I hear that it was used in an X-Force story recently?)

I guess the No Prize explanation is that while the transmode virus isn't capable of destroying living samples of the Legacy Virus, instead hybridizing with it, it's programmed (perhaps intentionally by Selene's cronies) and capable of eliminating dead or dormant germs and diseases, including Legacy.

-D

[The Lucky One]

Hey, wait a sec, is that a Green Lantern chillin' next to Hawkeye? Awesome.

I know, right? I also love how Dracula is next to him.

-D

[ZNOP]

Dude, I was just saying they didn't use small pox. I imagine a fair number of people were innoculated against small pox by the 1860s anyway.

Hey, it's all good.

And you don't need the quotes on yellow fever or bubonic plauge.

Duly noted. Thanks:smile:

I guess the No Prize explanation is that while the transmode virus isn't capable of destroying living samples of the Legacy Virus, instead hybridizing with it, it's programmed (perhaps intentionally by Selene's cronies) and capable of eliminating dead or dormant germs and diseases, including Legacy.

-D

That works:biggrin: