Who Should KILL Kimura? [Archive] - Comic Book Resources Forums

Leirus

10-30-2009, 07:07 AM

This character needs to be ended now. As I see Laura character development, after X-Force #20, she has just been crushed to a point, where she needs to be back to her attempts at “rehumanizing” or become a traumatized killing machine forever. Or a shocked teenager like Anole *Shivers*.

So it is time now (Or it will be after Second Coming) to pull Laura out of X-Force, and kill that witch, Kimura… but, seeing as she is more or less indestructible… who should do the deed? I think someone should do that for Laura, showing her she has friends who care for her…

ELIXIR: As indestructible as she is, a good tumor rotting her brain should terminate her. Elixir has already proved that he cares for Laura, but the only time he killed before it was on a fit of rage… is he able to kill in cool blood?

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PSYLOCKE: In her short time back, she has already left pretty clear that she does not have qualms about switching off minds of people she thinks can only bring disgrace. Plus, she had some sort of connection with Laura. Would Laura request Betsy to put Kimura out of her misery? Would Wolverine?

http://www.just-marvel-x-men.com/image-files/marvel-encyclopedia-x-men-psylocke-1-100k.jpg

HELLION: Well, this one is easy… whoever kills Kimura, will have Laura eternal gratitude. Would that be enough to make Julian implode Kimura’s brain? *Splurzzz*

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EMMA FROST: Some people could say that all X-23 current problems come from the fact that Emma did not kill Kimura in the first place. Maybe she could implant a suggestion in Kimura’s mind to make her end herself after murdering the people at the facility. Emma can now correct this sending Kimura to oblivion

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_zxlQuqnXxZo/ScDWtsSVH3I/AAAAAAAACn4/YktNs0EDBbc/s00/EMMA-FROST.jpg

Leirus

10-30-2009, 07:08 AM

STEPFORD CUCKOOS: Could the girls safely off Kimura from the Cerebra Chamber? Easy and clean, nobody would have to know. However, it seems kind of dangerous let this heartless girls taste the absolute power over others lives.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f9/Main_three-in-one.jpg/300px-Main_three-in-one.jpg

OTHER… Suggestions!!

darknessatnoon

10-30-2009, 07:09 AM

Why should she be killed? X-23 is a deadly serial killer and Kimura is deputized to bring her in, dead or alive.

Leirus

10-30-2009, 07:17 AM

Why should she be killed? X-23 is a deadly serial killer and Kimura is deputized to bring her in, dead or alive.

Shush !! I do not go derailing your threads
Besides, I remember your reaction to the chainsaw issue...

timbox

10-30-2009, 07:18 AM

There are a few people I would like to see chopped up into pieces before Kimura is killed off. Maybe Hellion should "try" to kill her.

darknessatnoon

10-30-2009, 07:19 AM

Shush !! I do not go derailing your threads
Besides, I remember your reaction to the chainsaw issue...

I've made my peace with the past.

Havok83

10-30-2009, 07:22 AM

Id love it if X-23 got to do the job but since she's not on the list, I vote for Hellion

Leirus

10-30-2009, 07:22 AM

There are a few people I would like to see chopped up into pieces before Kimura is killed off. Maybe Hellion should "try" to kill her.

You have only until Second Coming to see Kyle and Yost ending the pending plot points in X-Force... and if this is not resolved before they leave, we can have Kimura joining the X-men and dating angel...

timbox

10-30-2009, 07:23 AM

You have only until Second Coming to see Kyle and Yost ending the pending plot points in X-Force... and if this is not resolved before they leave, we can have Kimura joining the X-men and datin angel...

Kimura should kill X-23 and retire.

Home made ectoplasm

10-30-2009, 07:25 AM

Kimura should kill X-23 and retire.

Kimura should kill X-23, have a change of heart, and then join the X-Men

Shadowkurt

10-30-2009, 08:40 AM

I voted Other. Meaning Megan Kinney.

How she would do it, I leave to Kyle & Yost.

Filthy Mutie

10-30-2009, 08:50 AM

The X-Men need Kimura as a villain, especially since Sabertooth has been taken from them.

Havok83

10-30-2009, 09:03 AM

The X-Men need Kimura as a villain, especially since Sabertooth has been taken from them.
except she's not an X-men villian, she's an X-23 villian and focuses solely on her. Her obsession with Laura is beyond annoying at this point. I dont think she's really needed

Jmacq1

10-30-2009, 09:10 AM

I think the best option would be having Elixir creatively use his powers to permanently remove Kimura's powers (It should be within his capabilities, given he was able to "reactivate" Rahne's powers), and then let Laura turn the tables and become the "hunter." She doesn't even have to kill her. Just let her live in absolute fear that one day she'll show up for payback...and now Kimura has no invulnerability to protect her, and she'll never be as skilled a fighter as Laura is.

AcesX1X

10-30-2009, 09:41 AM

Filthy Mutie

10-30-2009, 09:43 AM

except she's not an X-men villian, she's an X-23 villian and focuses solely on her. Her obsession with Laura is beyond annoying at this point. I dont think she's really needed

You say that like she hasn't been involved, directly and indirectly, with harming other X-Men. Or that she hasn't very recently stated she plans to again.

timbox

10-30-2009, 09:52 AM

I hope Emma stabs Kimura with the same vibranium knife that Mary the Purifier stabbed Emma’s diamond body with.

Jmacq1

10-30-2009, 10:44 AM

kimura is a psychotic coward, and jmacq is thinking along some good lines.

that sort of situation would be ideal for me concerning laura and kimura. i don't think killing kimura would help to stabilize x-23's psyche. she needs to beat her and show mercy so she can heal that wound inside.

maybe laura could hack off an arm tho..

Well, I did consider the possibility of hacking off all her limbs but not letting her bleed to death, but then Kimura would just show up as Lady Deathstrike 2.0.

The only other poetic justice I could think of would be to seal her in an adamantium box and drop her in the deepest part of the ocean. Assuming she doesn't need to breathe, that is.

AcesX1X

10-30-2009, 10:46 AM

i wonder if laura knows where to stab the brain to turn the person special-needs, but not kill them.

The Big G

10-30-2009, 10:52 AM

Here are my thoughts on each candidate:

Elixer could do it simply by touching her...bu he's a healer not a killer. So unless he really got pissed off...i doubt it.

Psylocke, now as one of Laura's BFFs i could see Psylocke coming in and jamming the psyche knife into Kimura's skull and frying her brain, but Besty seems to have a pretty full schedule and all but who knows.

Ahh Julian...he had the opportunity to kill her but passed it up by taking the moral high ground. Now im thinking this decision might come back to haunt him; making him wish he had killed her back in Mercury Rising. Plus with Kimura telling Laura that she's gunna kill Julian, its very likely that Julian's could have another shot at Kimura...and maybe this time he'll actually go through with it. Plus if Laura' doesnt love him now, if he kill Kimura she'll love him for eternity.

Emma: Like Julian she had the opportunity to kill her but took the moral high ground by just messing with her brain. I sitll think Emma owes Laura for all the shit she did to her back in NXM, and since Kimura said she'd go after all of the NXM this would be another good opportunity for Emma to show that she can protect her students.

The Cuckoos: well i guess they could do it...but they dont really have much of a tie to Laura...but yeah if they wanted too they could.

So after much careful analysis im going with Julian, Laura's knight in red and black spandex, to be the one to due Kimura in. I do believe that something is going to happen that will make him regret not killing her when he had the chance so im thinking maybe a possible NXM death at the hands of Kimura. Though if she did kill Loa i think Elixir might step in and kill her,

HellionTK

10-30-2009, 11:50 AM

yea he is the most likely to do it...not to mention kimura mentioned killing megan, so he'll probably help laura save her

AN0LE

10-30-2009, 11:50 AM

I would love something along the lines (as mentioned before) of Kimura's powers being removed and leaving her vulnerable to physical attack. X-23 would then have the opportunity to finish the deed and finally take care of Kimura once and for all. However, I have to agree that in doing so it would only further the fact that The Facility designed her to be a killing machine and nothing more. Her humanity would probably be lost for good. That said, she would take the high road and decide to allow Kimura to live and embrace the human side of herself instead. Afterwards, Emma Frost would come in and finish the job in order to make right all the damage she, herself, inflicted on Laura back in NXM. Overall, it would be a great scene for both characters to right some of the wrongs in their past. :redface:

Perfection/Emma 2

10-30-2009, 11:53 AM

I hope Emma stabs Kimura with the same vibranium knife that Mary the Purifier stabbed Emma’s diamond body with.

Co Signed:evilsmile: :evilsmile: :evilsmile: :evilsmile:

The Big G

10-30-2009, 12:12 PM

yea he is the most likely to do it...not to mention kimura mentioned killing megan, so he'll probably help laura save her

This is what im rooting for though we'll see what happens...

I would love something along the lines (as mentioned before) of Kimura's powers being removed and leaving her vulnerable to physical attack. X-23 would then have the opportunity to finish the deed and finally take care of Kimura once and for all. However, I have to agree that in doing so it would only further the fact that The Facility designed her to be a killing machine and nothing more. Her humanity would probably be lost for good. That said, she would take the high road and decide to allow Kimura to live and embrace the human side of herself instead. Afterwards, Emma Frost would come in and finish the job in order to make right all the damage she, herself, inflicted on Laura back in NXM. Overall, it would be a great scene for both characters to right some of the wrongs in their past. :redface:

I'd say if Julian doesnt do it i think Emma should.

Faded

10-30-2009, 12:13 PM

Emma needs to kill someone. I want to see her edge back.

The Black Guardian

10-30-2009, 12:34 PM

It's way too soon to be killing such a hottie as Kimura, but when the time comes, it should be Laura that does it.

HellionTK

10-30-2009, 01:09 PM

To me, kimura is kind of holding laura's character development back...which is getting pretty annoying.

pharoahe22

10-30-2009, 01:29 PM

I'd love to see Logan kill her...how you might ask? I'm sure Logan's already figured out that he's probably going to have to kill her, so he's probably going to figure out a way to drown her. Mark my words. Dust could kill her as well.

HellionTK

10-30-2009, 01:38 PM

Maestro

10-30-2009, 01:41 PM

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HellionTK

10-30-2009, 01:53 PM

This is what im rooting for though we'll see what happens...

I'd say if Julian doesnt do it i think Emma should.

yeah, i hope it happens to,but who knows.if emma did it, it would have to be to
help someone other than laura...

Venom Melendez

10-30-2009, 02:01 PM

Why kill a good villain?

Besides, it wouldn't stick. Eventually someone else would want to use her and BAM!, she's revived.

ALso, she's the only thing X-23 has to an Archvillain

Dave13

10-30-2009, 02:18 PM

She's Out lived her usefullness!!

X-23 should be the one to finish her after a touch from Elixir removing her Durability to even the playing field

x-23

10-30-2009, 02:36 PM

I think Hellion should kill Kimura because he doesn't like Laura being hrut.

The Big G

10-30-2009, 02:46 PM

She's Out lived her usefullness!!

I agree. I think the best way for Laura to grow is too close the Facility chapter of her life. With Rice dead the only one left from that time is Kimura. Kimura is holding her back from getting character development.

Trississ

10-30-2009, 06:12 PM

http://th03.deviantart.net/fs37/300W/i/2008/250/b/3/New_X_Men_Pixie__Colour_by_nii_kun.jpg

God I hope not, but it would not surprise me. Especially if Fraction writes it.

The Big G

10-30-2009, 07:09 PM

God I hope not, but it would not surprise me. Especially if Fraction writes it.

If Fraction writes the death of Kimura.....shit will go down....:mad:

Dave13

10-30-2009, 07:35 PM

God I hope not, but it would not surprise me. Especially if Fraction writes it.

If Fracktion so much as hints at wanting to write it my money is on Chris Yost bitchslapping him with an issue of Invinceable Ironman

coveredinbees

10-30-2009, 07:38 PM

Fraction fits this story to a t.

Weapon Ick

10-30-2009, 07:44 PM

What happens if Kimura ends up killing Megan and her mom? Would that change anyone's answer?

The Big G

10-30-2009, 07:48 PM

If Fracktion so much as hints at wanting to write it my money is on Chris Yost bitchslapping him with an issue of Invinceable Ironman

I'd pay to watch that

Fraction fits this story to a t.

In Bizzaro land he'd be perfect to write that story

What happens if Kimura ends up killing Megan and her mom? Would that change anyone's answer?

nope....not really

x-23

10-30-2009, 08:16 PM

What happens if Kimura ends up killing Megan and her mom? Would that change anyone's answer?

Laura would find her and tell hellion

Laura-can you do something for me you no that women that you throw out the building she kill someone very important to me I need her dead.
Hellion-Okay where is she my love.
Laura-In Canda
Hellion-When I get back I'll give you her heart.
Laura-She don't got a heart
Hellion-Fine then her brain.
Laura-Okay

Kimura gets killed Hellion gives Layra the brain.

Laura-I'll go put this in a jar.
Hellion-Okay that was fun.
Laura-Why do you think I kill?
Hellion-LOL

the end

Hakael

10-30-2009, 08:16 PM

I don't even understand why Psylocke is on this poll, let alone winning... left field candidate.

Hellion is the obvious choice here, as it would be both a character note for Julian and Laura. What's interesting about something like Hellion protecting Laura by taking down Kimura for good would be that it'd be a compromise of his morality, his views on killing... dragging him closer to Laura's world. While X trying to understand her feelings for him are taking her closer to his. Puts them both on paths they're not entirely comfortable with, which in general leads to good character scenes.

Second choice would be Emma finishing the job she started.

darknessatnoon

10-30-2009, 08:21 PM

Pathetic. Can't X-23 kill her own villains?

x-23

10-30-2009, 08:22 PM

Pathetic. Can't X-23 kill her own villains?

Yes but not Kimura.

Leirus

10-31-2009, 12:38 AM

OK Maybe an explanation is needed.
Laura is a teenager. She sees herself as a killing machine. She is not (not just, not only)
She is on the verge of breaking down
You know that wonderful sensation, when you learn that someone cares ?
I think X-23 (Laura) needs that. That is why Psylocke is on the list, and wining, I would guess.
Maybe it would help, if you try to picture her as a real person who has taken far too much shit, who has been crushed down since she was born, instead of some generic superhero...

creaky

10-31-2009, 12:43 AM

Nightcrawler! Off with her head and limbs!

Leirus

10-31-2009, 12:54 AM

Nightcrawler! Off with her head and limbs!

That would be cool.
For once, people would forget the ridiculous idea that Nightcrawler is obsolote because Pixie can teleport more people.
THAT IS NOT THE POINT !!!
Nightcrawler is not a glorified Bus. His teleportation is the way he fights, it was never (or nearly never) a transport way... People (except Mom Mystique) was ill when he teleported them.
I would like to see that Twert Pixie delivering Nightcrawler famous "Triple-suckapunch" you know, when he would knock out three guys... before the first one touched the hard floor...
Sight !!

The Big G

10-31-2009, 01:46 AM

I don't even understand why Psylocke is on this poll, let alone winning... left field candidate.

Its cause...well Besty and Laura are friends...though the last time they actually talked to each other escapes me...

Bigmike

10-31-2009, 02:10 AM

I voted other.

For Cyclops.

He should just do it and never mention it to anyone.

Though this is just an answer to the thread, I like the use of Kimura as I don't see how they'd humanize Laura otherwise.

psycwave

10-31-2009, 02:17 AM

I don't even understand why Psylocke is on this poll, let alone winning... left field candidate.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/057.jpg

Thats why.

Dave13

10-31-2009, 03:21 AM

Thinking about it Killing Kimura would be beneficial for Hellion and not just from a romance standpoint, thank to previous writers moments Hellions TK abilities are underestiated.

Hellion Going for the kill on Kimura would require him to utilize his powers in a way that we haven't seen from him before to bypass the Iron skin of Kimura to destroy her eternal weakness

worstblogever

10-31-2009, 03:26 AM

Lockheed should eat her.

The Big G

10-31-2009, 11:25 AM

Lockheed should eat her.

You im half tempted to change my vote now because all perish when they do battle with Lockheed:cool:

Thinking about it Killing Kimura would be beneficial for Hellion and not just from a romance standpoint, thank to previous writers moments Hellions TK abilities are underestiated.

Hellion Going for the kill on Kimura would require him to utilize his powers in a way that we haven't seen from him before to bypass the Iron skin of Kimura to destroy her eternal weakness

Not only would it help his TK out, but well it will also save his life; cuse right now he's #2 on Kimura's Hit List

Kimura's Hit List
1. Megan and Debra Kinney
2. Laura's Telekinetic BF aka Hellion
3. Rest of Laura's little friends aka the New X-Men
4. Agent Morales

Talisman

10-31-2009, 11:27 AM

Can't we just keep Kimura and get rid of X-23? Laura has become boring since joining X-Force.

Psychic Illusion

10-31-2009, 12:23 PM

Psylocke or wolverine.

I would also love to see dust kill her. By her being middle-eastern, she could show her hhearless side and suffocate kimura.

Psychic Illusion

10-31-2009, 12:25 PM

The Black Guardian

10-31-2009, 12:42 PM

To me, kimura is kind of holding laura's character development back...which is getting pretty annoying.
To me, that part of her life is all that Laura has going for her as a character. Without any of that, she's as boring as a stump. I agree she needs development, but getting rid of things is not development.

HellionTK

10-31-2009, 01:05 PM

To me, that part of her life is all that Laura has going for her as a character. Without any of that, she's as boring as a stump. I agree she needs development, but getting rid of things is not development.

Yes, but as soon as she puts her past behind her, she can actually start to move forward.

J77

10-31-2009, 01:37 PM

The best option would be X-23. She should get to kill her own enemy. Someone just needs to figure out a proper way to do it.

My second choice would be Psylocke. She could fry Kimura's mind and then rip her insides to bits with her tk.

I hate the idea of Laura having to be "saved" by her boyfriend and Emma and the Cuckuus are just meh.

The Big G

10-31-2009, 01:59 PM

I hate the idea of Laura having to be "saved" by her boyfriend and Emma and the Cuckuus are just meh.

I agree that the Cuckoos are meh, but Emma owes Laura for all the shit she put her through.

And whats wrong with Laura having a knight in red and black spandex saving her from the evil dragon bitch that is Kimura?

and on another note im really surprised how much psylocke is taking the lead here!

psycwave

10-31-2009, 02:13 PM

and on another note im really surprised how much psylocke is taking the lead here!

Psylocke is Laura's big sis/mentor and she has the power to do it.(Telepathy and Telekinesis). She is the perfect person to save Laura and destroy Kimura.

The Big G

10-31-2009, 02:16 PM

Psylocke is Laura's big sis/mentor and she has the power to do it.(Telepathy and Telekinesis). She is the perfect person to save Laura and destroy Kimura.

i understand that; its just two havent hung out in a while so its kinda off out there. :cool:

coveredinbees

10-31-2009, 02:18 PM

No it isn't. X-23 thought Psylocke was the coolest.

The Big G

10-31-2009, 02:28 PM

No it isn't. X-23 thought Psylocke was the coolest.

I know....

I give up....you guys win :frown:

Mia

10-31-2009, 02:29 PM

Ahh Julian...he had the opportunity to kill her but passed it up by taking the moral high ground. Now im thinking this decision might come back to haunt him; making him wish he had killed her back in Mercury Rising. Plus with Kimura telling Laura that she's gunna kill Julian, its very likely that Julian's could have another shot at Kimura...and maybe this time he'll actually go through with it. Plus if Laura' doesnt love him now, if he kill Kimura she'll love him for eternity.

This is a good point. Julian had the opportunity to take her out and did nothing (which is strange given his virulent bigotry). Unless I am mistaken. I see a plot down the road where Kimura will do something to Julian forcing X-23 to kill her. I never understood why on earth Laura's feelings for Julian were referenced back in X-Force #13 (?) given the fact that they never had a relationship to begin with in the books. But I do now.

I am guessing that Julian will be used as catalyst so that Laura will go after Kimura. The same way she went after Lady Death Strike. Hopefully C&C won't be that predictable. But that's the way I see it playing out.

Emma: Like Julian she had the opportunity to kill her but took the moral high ground by just messing with her brain. I sitll think Emma owes Laura for all the shit she did to her back in NXM, and since Kimura said she'd go after all of the NXM this would be another good opportunity for Emma to show that she can protect her students.

I don't think that Emma took the high ground. I just think that she thought that she would use Kimura to completely destroy the Facility. And she probably thought that Kimura would never be so stupid to come back again after Laura (lest the same thing happen again).

Sorry, I made a mistake in my choice on the poll. I voted for Emma even though she can't use her psychic ability in diamond form.

I'm with everyone else, Psylocke is the best choice given her telekenis and the fact that she has no qualms on permanently eradicating dangerous threats. Plus she really likes and cares for Laura.

The Big G

10-31-2009, 02:35 PM

This is a good point. Julian had the opportunity to take her out and did nothing (which is strange given his virulent bigotry). Unless I am mistaken. I see a plot down the road where Kimura will do something to Julian forcing X-23 to kill her. I never understood why on earth Laura's feelings for Julian were referenced back in X-Force #13 (?) given the fact that they never had a relationship to begin with in the books. But I do now.

I am guessing that Julian will be used as catalyst so that Laura will go after Kimura. The same way she went after Lady Death Strike. Hopefully C&C won't be that predictable. But that's the way I see it playing out.

Remeber Mercury Rising was before Cyke and Emma left him on the streets and Fraction turned him into i hate the establishment idiot. This time frame from the nimrod fight too the end of Messiah Complex was when the J-man was at his best.

As for Julian being the bait/catalyst for another Larura Kimura fight...probably...though i know C&C can come up with a better idea than have Julian be the dude in distress. It's already been done before.

4sake

10-31-2009, 02:35 PM

Hellion
X-23
Frost
Psylocke
Cyclops
Domino
Wither
Elixir
Mercury
Wolverine

Justin K.

10-31-2009, 02:37 PM

I like Kimura, I don't want her to die.
She should get a deformation, courtesy of X-23 though.
Maybe lose an eye or arm...

Mia

10-31-2009, 02:48 PM

Remeber Mercury Rising was before Cyke and Emma left him on the streets and Fraction turned him into i hate the establishment idiot. This time frame from the nimrod fight too the end of Messiah Complex was when the J-man was at his best.

I dunno. In X-23's firs appearance in NXM. Julian says to David (who has just been depowered). You're not one of us anymore. (Or something to that effect). I just found it rather strange. I do realise that Julian is too ignorant to just keep his mouth shut. But he could have easily just have said 'Sucks to be you'. Why he immediately decided to go for you're not one of us comment. Was beyond me. Then there are the issues of X-Force where he called a member of friends of humanity 'A flat scan'.

I have collected X-Men off and on for 15 years and I have never seen one of the X-Men call a human a racial epithet.

As for Julian being the bait/catalyst for another Larura Kimura fight...probably...though i know C&C can come up with a better idea than have Julian be the dude in distress. It's already been done before.

There's an issue of Elektra (volume 2) where Elektra is trying to change and go straight. She meets this guy who tries to reform her etc. Anyway in this big show down with the her mortal enemies. Elektra ends up killing the guy who tries to reform her (and who is also in love with her). I just see the same thing happening here. And Craig Kyle already admitted in an interview that worse stuff is coming down for X-23 before they leave the book. I suspect whatever worse stuff is coming will be what takes X-23 off X- Force. And let's face it, all of the most traumatic things that have happened to X-23 have been the most personal.

The Big G

10-31-2009, 03:15 PM

I dunno. In X-23's firs appearance in NXM. Julian says to David (who has just been depowered). You're not one of us anymore. (Or something to that effect). I just found it rather strange. I do realise that Julian is too ignorant to just keep his mouth shut. But he could have easily just have said 'Sucks to be you'. Why he immediately decided to go for you're not one of us comment. Was beyond me. Then there are the issues of X-Force where he called a member of friends of humanity 'A flat scan'.

Well Julian was just being Julian. He and David never really got along in the first place. I do agree he could have a little bit more tact but hey its Julian. And to be honest him calling friends of humanity or members of the saipen league flat scans dosent really bother me a whole lot because they too are racist for hating on mutants.

I have collected X-Men off and on for 15 years and I have never seen one of the X-Men call a human a racial epithet.

Same here, though ever since i joined CBR i've seen a few scans of Kitty being racist at times.

There's an issue of Elektra (volume 2) where Elektra is trying to change and go straight. She meets this guy who tries to reform her etc. Anyway in this big show down with the her mortal enemies. Elektra ends up killing the guy who tries to reform her (and who is also in love with her). I just see the same thing happening here. And Craig Kyle already admitted in an interview that worse stuff is coming down for X-23 before they leave the book. I suspect whatever worse stuff is coming will be what takes X-23 off X- Force. And let's face it, all of the most traumatic things that have happened to X-23 have been the most personal.

Maybe. I could totally seeing Kimura drenching Julian in trigger scent and having laura go bat shit crazy on him. Though i personally think its a waste of JUlian's potential to kill him off to further promote Laura. But then again this C&C were talking about...anything is possible.

Filthy Mutie

10-31-2009, 03:40 PM

Pathetic. Can't X-23 kill her own villains?

If/when that time comes, she should be the one who does. Without help--without an overly-elaborate plan or a hodgepodge team of beavises.

Or, there can be a small team of beavises that help her bully Kimura into a vat of molten steel before X-23 lowers herself into said vat of molten steel with a thumbs-up.

The Big G

10-31-2009, 03:52 PM

there can be a small team of beavises that help her bully Kimura into a vat of molten steel before X-23 lowers herself into said vat of molten steel with a thumbs-up.

*cues terminator theme*

Laura: I know now why you cry

HellionTK

10-31-2009, 08:14 PM

wow psylocke has a pretty big lead...:confused:

The Big G

10-31-2009, 08:28 PM

wow psylocke has a pretty big lead...:confused:

Indeed she is...

You know i really think Julian deserves another crack at Kimura because i think it would be great character development for him.

I envision a scenario where the evil bitch that is Kimura came up some devious plot to kill Morales, Debra, Megan and Julian to get to Laura.

Now let's say that Morales and Debra are dead and Julian gets Kimura in a position where he can ether kill her or send her flying...again. Megan's a mess screaming for Julian to kill her, Laura begs him to kill her, and Kimura's taunting him saying he couldnt do it back then and he cant do it now.

Then we go inside Julian's head( not much in there mind you lol) where he have some flashbacks and so on about why Julian wanted to be a hero and that hero's dont kill yada yada yada. He ether let's her live again keeps to his morals of not killing at the risk that she might come back and kill them or kill her thus saving the day, earning Laura's undying love for eternity but at the cost of his own morals and ethics.

He then kills her but he feels terrible about it and goes onto some speech about it and angsts for a while....or he suddenly develops telepathy fries Kimura's brain rendering her a cationic vegetable for the rest of her life thus saving the day, getting the girl, and still keeping to his own dont kill moral code.

Its a good idea....but let's face it...its not going to happen.

HellionTK

10-31-2009, 08:30 PM

Indeed she is...

You know i really think Julian deserves another crack at Kimura because i think it would be great character development for him.

I envision a scenario where the evil bitch that is Kimura came up some devious plot to kill Morales, Debra, Megan and Julian to get to Laura.

Now let's say that Morales and Debra are dead and Julian gets Kimura in a position where he can ether kill her or send her flying...again. Megan's a mess screaming for Julian to kill her, Laura begs him to kill her, and Kimura's taunting him saying he couldnt do it back then and he cant do it now.

Then we go inside Julian's head( not much in there mind you lol) where he have some flashbacks and so on about why Julian wanted to be a hero and that hero's dont kill yada yada yada. He ether let's her live again keeps to his morals of not killing at the risk that she might come back and kill them or kill her thus saving the day, earning Laura's undying love for eternity but at the cost of his own morals and ethics.

He then kills her but he feels terrible about it and goes onto some speech about it and angsts for a while....or he suddenly develops telepathy fries Kimura's brain rendering her a cationic vegetable for the rest of her life thus saving the day, getting the girl, and still keeping to his own dont kill moral code.

Its a good idea....but let's face it...its not going to happen.

yea, kimura is going to be around for a while

The Big G

10-31-2009, 09:42 PM

yea, kimura is going to be around for a while

pretty much...though she should have died

The Black Guardian

10-31-2009, 09:52 PM

Yes, but as soon as she puts her past behind her, she can actually start to move forward.
She can move forward while keeping her past. It's what every other good character does. The thing is, she's a nothing character without her past. Get rid of it before adding to it, and she's not going to appeal to anyone. She'll flounder in character limbo, and deservedly so.

On top of that, Kimura is too good of a character to get rid of for a while.

Leirus

11-01-2009, 03:13 AM

She can move forward while keeping her past. It's what every other good character does. The thing is, she's a nothing character without her past. Get rid of it before adding to it, and she's not going to appeal to anyone. She'll flounder in character limbo, and deservedly so.

On top of that, Kimura is too good of a character to get rid of for a while.

There is a difference here. Other characters may have enemies, people who have different objectives, people whose desires confront with those of the main character.

Kimura is not like that.

Kimura just flat hates Laura, and wants to kill anyone around her. So you have two ways here. You can have her killing someone close to Laura each time she appears on a comic, or you can have her becoming a joke, failing every time.

This is why, ultimately, The Fury failed as a character, because it could not kill an A-list every time. You may have Kimura killing Megan one time. Maybe even killing Morales the next one. but you can not have her killing Hellion next one, and Mercury afterwards, and Wolverine next. And, killing Kimura would not erase automatically X-23 past, as you seem to think. Rest assured, her past can come back to haunt her every time. But this X-23 vs The Facility starts to feel stretched.

Also? Kimura a good character? Well. She is an invulnerable hateful person... but beyond that? I have spoons in my drawer with far more personality.

The Big G

11-01-2009, 10:44 AM

This is why, ultimately, The Fury failed as a character, because it could not kill an A-list every time. You may have Kimura killing Megan one time. Maybe even killing Morales the next one. but you can not have her killing Hellion next one, and Mercury afterwards, and Wolverine next. And, killing Kimura would not erase automatically X-23 past, as you seem to think. Rest assured, her past can come back to haunt her every time. But this X-23 vs The Facility starts to feel stretched.

Also? Kimura a good character? Well. She is an invulnerable hateful person... but beyond that? I have spoons in my drawer with far more personality.

/agreed

I agree completely with what Leirus just said. Kimura even though i think she should have died, has used her last get out of dying ticket. Next time she and Laura meet...one of them is not walking away...and my money's on Laura.

PO!

11-01-2009, 10:48 AM

Kimura is a pathetic character with no interesting personality at all! I find all her appearances annoying and a 90s cliché! She should be put down asap! She has no appeal to me at all! lame character with a lame look!

samhalliwell

11-01-2009, 10:49 AM

I voted "other" because I thought Laura should do it, but then thinking it over it seems like the perfect story to have her not be the on who kills. Not sure about who should do it though.

Azure

11-01-2009, 12:20 PM

I nominate Peter David.

Perfection/Emma 2

11-01-2009, 12:25 PM

Kimura needs to die, it's a simple as that. No one really likes her and all Kimura is a just a sad, pathetic bully. I bet you ten bucks that Kimura wouldn't do this to Storm, Emma, Rogue, Dani, Kitty, Psylocke, or Dazzler for she would get her ass kick so bad. Anyways Kimura just to die a slow and very painful death, it's as simpe as that

Raptor

11-01-2009, 12:34 PM

Blink or Selene during Necrosha.

But I like Kimura too much to want her dead honestly.

Webslinger86

11-01-2009, 12:54 PM

I simply vote for other, and have Wolverine finish off Kiruma.

Besides, she's been messing with Wolverine's clone/sister/daughter, so what better way for Kiruma to get a dose of her own medicine by having the original killing-machine to give her a good trashing. :cool:

OpticBlast

11-01-2009, 01:03 PM

I voted "other".

I'd like to see it be Wolverine. X23's his clone, so he has a vested interest in what happens to her. I think Logan would fight till his last breath trying to take down someone who's done the things to Laura that Kiruma has.

BrightestDay

11-01-2009, 04:56 PM

I agree with everyone who's saying that X-23 should be the one who ultimately takes out her own nemesis. I mean, she chainsawed Laura's friggin arm off, there's gotta be some retribution. I can see that being her last assassin type deed though and afterward she can leave/be taken out of X-Force to go back to trying to fit in with the other teens.

Having said that, I voted for Hellion because I like him and want to see him more involved in the books on a regular basis. :biggrin:

Maybe they could finish Kimura off together. I imagine it'd be quite the bonding experience.

Hakael

11-01-2009, 05:06 PM

The Big G

11-01-2009, 05:09 PM

Maybe they could finish Kimura off together. I imagine it'd be quite the bonding experience.

nothing beats cuddling after killing off your arch nemesis. :biggrin:

I do think it would be cool if Laura got her hands on the muramasa blade at see if it would cut through Kimura's impenetrable skin.

HellionTK

11-01-2009, 05:25 PM

nothing beats cuddling after killing off your arch nemesis. :biggrin:

I do think it would be cool if Laura got her hands on the muramasa blade at see if it would cut through Kimura's impenetrable skin.

now that i think about, that would be a pretty interesting thing to see.

The Big G

11-01-2009, 06:20 PM

now that i think about, that would be a pretty interesting thing to see.

I think if anything could physically hurt Kimura it would have to be the muramassa blade.

Ninjax

11-01-2009, 08:45 PM

I like Kimura but It be so right for X-23 to gut Kimura for what all she did to her.

HellionTK

11-01-2009, 09:06 PM

I like Kimura but It be so right for X-23 to gut Kimura for what all she did to her.

definitely, but there's always the fact that Kimura is invulnerable on the outside...:frown:

Maestro

11-01-2009, 10:43 PM

perhaps Lauara can kill Kimura with kindness. literally, with hugs and kisses

jarrod

11-01-2009, 10:48 PM

X-23's ex-roomie, secret sister and future bff: Rachel Grey.

The Big G

11-01-2009, 11:10 PM

perhaps Lauara can kill Kimura with kindness. literally, with hugs and kisses

i would pay money to see this! :eek:

Marvelfan278

11-01-2009, 11:31 PM

X-23's always been too straightforward in her termination methods.

I'm pretty sure Kimura can succumb to poison as her body was built for invulnerability from the outside, stalk her and poison her take-out. That or have Archangel dump her ass into the Pacific ocean 1000 miles from anything, pretty sure she'll drown before she swims back.

mightiest_mortal

11-02-2009, 07:17 AM

Why isnt Laura on the List? thats like saying "Who should kill Sabretooth?" and not have Logan on the list.

In all honesty, even if she dies im sure she'l be back shortly afterwards. She IS X-23s Sabretooth so Im sure wel see her in lots of incarnations yet.

PO!

11-02-2009, 07:20 AM

perhaps Lauara can kill Kimura with kindness. literally, with hugs and kisses

isnt what kimura wants after all? mmmmm

The Big G

11-02-2009, 11:45 AM

isnt what kimura wants after all? mmmmm

Kimura wants more than just hugs and kisses :cool:

Blaise

11-02-2009, 12:08 PM

Waterlily

11-02-2009, 12:24 PM

I'd like to see Mercury flip her shit and suffocate her.

Mia

11-02-2009, 01:10 PM

I really hoped Kimura would be killed off this time. I quite liked her in Target X, and her next appearance gave her a bit more background, but this time.. well, it's a bit predictable and seems contrived to make the audience feel really super sorry for poor little Laura as life shits on her once again. There's only so many times I can watch Kimura lick her lips and look really turned on as she tortures Laura some more, just because she's a great big evil bitch like that. And then Laura looks all sad and stoic, and we all feel bad for her, yet again. I didn't mind this arc, but more like it and I'll probably lose interest in her character.

So.. yeah, unless there's going to be some new twist on her character, I'd rather see Kimura just disappear from the storylines for now. But if she was killed off, I'd like to see Logan do it.

WORD

I have to agree with you. The last issue of X-Force really was a turn off. It made Laura look like a poor little princess. The thing I loved about the character was even though she had it tough. You never felt compelled to feel sorry for Laura, because she was so stoic in the way that she endured all her pain and suffering. You had to admire her more than pity her.

Issue #20 with Laura crying and feeling sorry for herself (when she very well knows that there's an easy way to get rid of Kimura) was a blatant and contrived play for pity. I found it a huge disservice to the character.

I really hope what I saw in this issue is remedied in subsequent issues.