Storm vs Cyclops - Round 2! [Archive] - Comic Book Resources Forums

Havok83

10-29-2009, 06:08 AM

Way back in the early days there was only ever 2 leaders for the X-men. Originally it was Cyclops, but when he moved on Storm stepped up and took control of the team. However Cyclops couldnt stay away and after coming back several times, he attempted to reclaim leadership and the two went head to head for it in the classic Uncanny X-men 201 with Storm coming out victorious Now in 2009, the roles have been reversed Cyclops as the leader with Storm having left and now back. If the two were to do battle again for leadership, and if there can only be one, who should lead?

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timbox

10-29-2009, 06:15 AM

Mutants are in serious trouble if these are the only choices.

Home made ectoplasm

10-29-2009, 06:16 AM

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Psychic Illusion

10-29-2009, 06:48 AM

Ororo. She is just better overall. Very strategic and a great team leader. And it is not because I am a former cyclops fan either. Storm is just better.

Saturius

10-29-2009, 07:16 AM

There's no way this can or will remain civil.

prince_nightcrawler

10-29-2009, 07:18 AM

This was already decided in the Storm: Worlds Apart mini. The answer is Storm.

Greg Anderson

10-29-2009, 07:30 AM

Scott Cyclops Summers.

Optic Rage!

10-29-2009, 07:42 AM

LOL.

Not again.

JD Sketch

10-29-2009, 08:06 AM

Personally, I don't think either is a good choice anymore. Maybe a few years ago Storm may have been a good candidate, but since marrying her off the the BP and her time in the FF, I honestly think that her time has come and gone. I know that hse is now "royalty" and has political clout, but i just don't see her as an affective leader anymore. She just seems more like wallpaper and fairly ineffectual in the X-Universe. As far as Cyclops goes, I think that he had gone over the edge. He has turned his back on what made the X-Men great to become this Uber Military leader. I just personally don't think it works. Yes, he has always been a good field leader and stratagist, but I just feel he has gone too far with this "Mutants are oppressed - endandered species - I mustsave them all" attitude. In my opinion, he is more like Magneto than Magneto is. Yes, he has major trust issues with the Professor (and perhaps rightly so), but the way he is treating someone who has always cared for him and treated him as a son (better than he treated his actual son, David), just seems really out of place and out of character...we need a 3rd option. Honeslty though, I not sure who would make a better overall defcto leader. I do think the best way to handle this is what has been mentioned before, a group collective making decissions made up of the Charles, Scott, Ororro, Magnus (that is what i will always call him), and Hank (the moral center that they reallt need). This would, in my opinion give them a powerful leader pool with clout among the mutuant community as well as other agencies (Charles for his previous gov't work and figurehead in mutant affairs, Scott for his leadership skills and charisma plus his ties with San Fran, Orroro for her ties with royalty and her global position, Magnus for his ability to rally the underdog in the mutuant community, and Hank for his professional position within the scientific commuinity and his long affiliation with the avengers and his moral center to do what is right)...Just my thoughts...

darknessatnoon

10-29-2009, 08:31 AM

There are five people ahead of Storm if Cyclops steps down. Namely, Iceman, Beast, Angel, Sage and Jean. Sure, Jean is dead and hopefully stays that way. Iceman is incompetent and Beast sleeps 18 hours a day. But Sage and Angel still rank above Storm.

EDIT: Not to mention that Darwin the Evolving Boy also has seniority over Storm.

JD Sketch

10-29-2009, 08:50 AM

While you are correct that there are more original members around, I don't see where they would make effective leaders. Iceman has never shown any real affinity for leadership. Sure he has had a few moments here and there where he has taken a more active/proactive stance, but honestly is not leadership material now (and I am a bid Iceman fan/supporter). Beast is more the intellectual brain with a penchent for compassion, but once again not really leadership material...he is more of an advisor/confidant. It is true that Angel does have some leadership experience as seen in the Champions, but aside from his wealth and economic leadership in business (and considering his current Psycho status ala his Death persona)...not a good candicate. Sage has in my opinion been built up too much as this major badass and not entirely trustworthy (IMO). She works better working with someone (partnered with Bishop was her best role...they complimented each other very well...before this Bishop is a murderous tool storyline with Cable and Hope). Jean might be a possible candidate given her background with the team (her being dead right now might make it a bit difficult to lead), and her position as headmistress of the school / leading a team to rescue the professor from magento...she just doesn't have the chops to really lead (plus the whole Phoenix thing is a bit of a distraction for anyone following her...is she going to go all "dark phoenix" on us and try to kill everyone or "when will she dies again" - although a nice meeting with Emma would definelty be interesting...
Still don't see a strong candidate.

There are five people ahead of Storm if Cyclops steps down. Namely, Iceman, Beast, Angel, Sage and Jean. Sure, Jean is dead and hopefully stays that way. Iceman is incompetent and Beast sleeps 18 hours a day. But Sage and Angel still rank above Storm.

EDIT: Not to mention that Darwin the Evolving Boy also has seniority over Storm.

darknessatnoon

10-29-2009, 08:54 AM

While you are correct that there are more original members around, I don't see where they would make effective leaders. Iceman has never shown any real affinity for leadership. Sure he has had a few moments here and there where he has taken a more active/proactive stance, but honestly is not leadership material now (and I am a bid Iceman fan/supporter). Beast is more the intellectual brain with a penchent for compassion, but once again not really leadership material...he is more of an advisor/confidant. It is true that Angel does have some leadership experience as seen in the Champions, but aside from his wealth and economic leadership in business (and considering his current Psycho status ala his Death persona)...not a good candicate. Sage has in my opinion been built up too much as this major badass and not entirely trustworthy (IMO). She works better working with someone (partnered with Bishop was her best role...they complimented each other very well...before this Bishop is a murderous tool storyline with Cable and Hope). Jean might be a possible candidate given her background with the team (her being dead right now might make it a bit difficult to lead), and her position as headmistress of the school / leading a team to rescue the professor from magento...she just doesn't have the chops to really lead (plus the whole Phoenix thing is a bit of a distraction for anyone following her...is she going to go all "dark phoenix" on us and try to kill everyone or "when will she dies again" - although a nice meeting with Emma would definelty be interesting...
Still don't see a strong candidate.

I don't really think it's for you to tell me who it's best that Sage be partnered with. I'm the biggest Sage fan on the internet and I know a lot more about her than you do.

Jean is also a decent leader. The one time she led the team, Magneto rolled away from the fight crippled.

Iceman ended Operation Zero Tolerance.

Angel also led his team in a successful operation against Mr. Clean as well as a sting operation against Vanisher.

Beast is an asthmatic genocidal maniac, though. So, he wouldn't make a good leader. Plus, we already saw that he sells out to Sublime in the future.

Flâneur

10-29-2009, 08:57 AM

Perhaps Scott and Storm can breed a leader between the two of them? The child could be called Squint.

Slant

10-29-2009, 09:06 AM

Yes, they should hook up.

Valeria Kementari

10-29-2009, 09:14 AM

Guess who I would vote for :tongue:

JD Sketch

10-29-2009, 09:42 AM

I don't really think it's for you to tell me who it's best that Sage be partnered with. I'm the biggest Sage fan on the internet and I know a lot more about her than you do.

Jean is also a decent leader. The one time she led the team, Magneto rolled away from the fight crippled.

Iceman ended Operation Zero Tolerance.

Angel also led his team in a successful operation against Mr. Clean as well as a sting operation against Vanisher.

Beast is an asthmatic genocidal maniac, though. So, he wouldn't make a good leader. Plus, we already saw that he sells out to Sublime in the future.

OK, first off i am not telling you who she is best partnered with...i gave MY OPINION (IMO)...everyone is entitled to an opinion. I'm glad you are her biggest fan...good for you, that doesn't give you the right to try and blast people for their opinions.
I have probably been reading X-Men comics (and comics in general) longer than you've been alive, but that doesn't mean that I am the expert...i am just giving my opinion.
This is one of the reasons I waited so long before actually joining the CBR boards as opposed to just reading them...people get way too upset when someone does not agree with them.
Everyone has the right to post as they want...some decorum please.
Very Respectfully,
JD Sketch

darknessatnoon

10-29-2009, 09:47 AM

OK, first off i am not telling you who she is best partnered with...i gave MY OPINION (IMO)...everyone is entitled to an opinion. I'm glad you are her biggest fan...good for you, that doesn't give you the right to try and blast people for their opinions.
I have probably been reading X-Men comics (and comics in general) longer than you've been alive, but that doesn't mean that I am the expert...i am just giving my opinion.
This is one of the reasons I waited so long before actually joining the CBR boards as opposed to just reading them...people get way too upset when someone does not agree with them.
Everyone has the right to post as they want...some decorum please.
Very Respectfully,
JD Sketch

I am probably older than you, actually, unless you are ancient. And, quite frankly, your opinion is incorrect. Sage is perfect to lead the X-Men. Sorry if being contradicted and corrected offends you.

MartinRedmond

10-29-2009, 09:50 AM

I vote for Scott Munroe.

JD Sketch

10-29-2009, 09:50 AM

Get Over Yourself...
You are not the end all be all...everyone is allowed to have an opinion...I'm not saying that i am right or you ar right...just that we each have our own opinions...nothing wrong with that.

I am probably older than you, actually, unless you are ancient. And, quite frankly, your opinion is incorrect. Sage is perfect to lead the X-Men. Sorry if being contradicted and corrected offends you.

darknessatnoon

10-29-2009, 09:55 AM

Get Over Yourself...
You are not the end all be all...everyone is allowed to have an opinion...I'm not saying that i am right or you ar right...just that we each have our own opinions...nothing wrong with that.

No. There is a right and a wrong. So there is plenty "wrong with that." Sage outranks Storm. Get over it.

frog

10-29-2009, 09:56 AM

There are five people ahead of Storm if Cyclops steps down. Namely, Iceman, Beast, Angel, Sage and Jean. Sure, Jean is dead and hopefully stays that way. Iceman is incompetent and Beast sleeps 18 hours a day. But Sage and Angel still rank above Storm.

Shame on you, darkness. You of all people should know better than to contradict canon.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g123/frog-pond/prv593_pg5.jpg

However, Beast will wisely leave the hot mess that the X-Men are in to Cyclops. Scott needs to clean up his own mess.

darknessatnoon

10-29-2009, 10:00 AM

Shame on you, darkness. You of all people should know better than to contradict canon.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g123/frog-pond/prv593_pg5.jpg

However, Beast will wisely leave the hot mess that the X-Men are in to Cyclops. Scott needs to clean up his own mess.

Beast is addicted to caffeine to overcome his natural cat sleep cycle of 18 hours of sleep a day. Just another sign that he'll addict himself to Kick someday.

frog

10-29-2009, 10:04 AM

Beast is addicted to caffeine to overcome his natural cat sleep cycle of 18 hours of sleep a day. Just another sign that he'll addict himself to Kick someday.

The X-Men all run on caffiene, with the exception of Dazzler and Northstar, who are addicted to Pixie dust.

passer-by

10-29-2009, 10:06 AM

LOL.

Not again.

You beat me to it.

Oh well.

The fact that Scott is currently written, shall we say, in a more controversial way, doesn't mean he can't shine - again - as a great leader under the pen of a good writer.

Same goes for any character, as The Man says in my sig.

Based on overall X-Men history Scott has the edge over Ororo, even though they're both excellent leaders. Again, it very much depends on the writer. But overall, I'd say Scott.

Ookay, let's get comfy.
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MartinRedmond

10-29-2009, 10:13 AM

Scott is efficient, throw yurikosama's corpse into the river, make the mayor throw papers around her office. I love him.

passer-by

10-29-2009, 10:19 AM

Mutants are in serious trouble if these are the only choices.

Well, the previous poll did have more options, but it's still down to those two as the results show.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=274133&highlight=leader

JD Sketch

10-29-2009, 10:27 AM

Personally,
I wouldn't mind seeing Jean come back (in a reduced Phoenix power level fashion: only access to full strength in extreme situations - major stress, what have you) and take on leading the X-Men. I really think that she does have a place in leadership/leader of mutantkind. I think that she would be a good choice if written correctly. She has the experience...let's she what she could do...could it really be any worse that what we have?

Just my thoughts on the subject...

JD Sketch

MartinRedmond

10-29-2009, 10:39 AM

I would prefer a free for all of individual groups. One master for the entire mutant race is a bit dull.

BrightestDay

10-29-2009, 10:40 AM

Cyclops.

Though what I'd really like to see is a balance of power with both characters taking on leadership roles, but still working together. Like back when they each had their own squad to lead, that was cool.

Prodigy55

10-29-2009, 10:47 AM

i liked when it was professor x as the leader, and there were 2 squads.

timbox

10-29-2009, 10:54 AM

I guess Jean should be the leader since we're going by age seniority.

JD Sketch

10-29-2009, 10:57 AM

Hey Darknessatnoon,

Question for you. What exactly are your thoughts on the Sage/Dianna Fox plot that ran thru Excalibur and Exiles...Good, Bad, Other...

JD Sketch

passer-by

10-29-2009, 11:00 AM

You're going offtopic in your own thread - and with a question to dn@n about Sage no less. :biggrin:

I should have gotten more popcorn.:frown:

JD Sketch

10-29-2009, 11:15 AM

Not really,

I know he is a major Sage supporter (let her lead the team)...I was just curious as to his thoughts on that line of character development for Sage.

JD Sketch

timbox

10-29-2009, 11:22 AM

dn@n loves the Diana Fox/Sage relationship.

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/4944/passionwa7.jpg

passer-by

10-29-2009, 11:23 AM

@JD - Oh sure, the more leaders discussed, the merrier.

You might want to take a look at the link I posted on the previous page as well - the one about the previous X-Men leader poll. :wink:

And some more - http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=285761&highlight=leader

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=282131&highlight=leader

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=265775&highlight=leader

DeniseXfrost

10-29-2009, 11:26 AM

who cares? Both characters have already been ruined.

Mia

10-29-2009, 11:28 AM

Hot dog! I truly can not believe someone else is reading my mind. I've been thinking that eventually there will be a pow-wow and one of the other members (read: Storm) will wrestle away control of the X-Men from him. Hopefully this will happen when Chris Yost takes over UXM.

passer-by

10-29-2009, 11:31 AM

Not that it hasn't been done already. In UXM #201. So it'd be nothing new. OK, it was Scott wishing to reclaim his leader title, but it's the fight that matters. :biggrin: Ororo did great then, btw, even though it was retconned with her getting outside help. :evilangry:

But if it does happen now, and is written by Kyle & Yost, it'd be a sight to see.

timbox

10-29-2009, 11:38 AM

Optic Rage!

10-29-2009, 11:47 AM

darknessatnoon

10-29-2009, 11:54 AM

Hey Darknessatnoon,

Question for you. What exactly are your thoughts on the Sage/Dianna Fox plot that ran thru Excalibur and Exiles...Good, Bad, Other...

JD Sketch

Diana Fox is malware that needs to be virus scanned and permanently scrubbed from the system.

Jess C.H.

10-29-2009, 11:55 AM

I am probably older than you, actually, unless you are ancient. And, quite frankly, your opinion is incorrect. Sage is perfect to lead the X-Men. Sorry if being contradicted and corrected offends you.

I dont think being corrected is what offends him. It's probably someone who THINKS that they are correct trying to correct him is what he finds offensive. He said that Sage would'nt make a good leader, then you got pissy, and started declaring your supreme knowledge of Sage. If she would have made a good leader, she probably would be leading.

Storm over Cyclops.

JD Sketch

10-29-2009, 11:59 AM

Diana Fox is malware that needs to be virus scanned and permanently scrubbed from the system.

I love it...we now have a common bond...lol

JD Sketch

darknessatnoon

10-29-2009, 12:05 PM

I love it...we now have a common bond...lol

JD Sketch

I dont think being corrected is what offends him. It's probably someone who THINKS that they are correct trying to correct him is what he finds offensive. He said that Sage would'nt make a good leader, then you got pissy, and started declaring your supreme knowledge of Sage. If she would have made a good leader, she probably would be leading.

Storm over Cyclops.

Looks like you just made a fool of yourself, colossalreign.

AcesX1X

10-29-2009, 12:21 PM

i like jean best when she has telekinetic fire surging all around her body. if she ever tries to lead the x-men with those weird pink blobs, then she should just let someone else do it.

Jess C.H.

10-29-2009, 12:31 PM

Looks like you just made a fool of yourself, colossalreign.

Why, because he got tired of you badgering him, and wanted to make nice. Yeah, sure buddy. You still have not accepted his olive branch. Nice fella that you are.

darknessatnoon

10-29-2009, 12:35 PM

Why, because he got tired of you badgering him, and wanted to make nice. Yeah, sure buddy. You still have not accepted his olive branch. Nice fella that you are.

No. We worked out in PMs like civil, normal, people, whereas you butt your nose in where it's not needed - out of grandiosity. People on this forum don't need champions.

Jess C.H.

10-29-2009, 12:43 PM

No. We worked out in PMs like civil, normal, people, whereas you butt your nose in where it's not needed - out of grandiosity. People on this forum don't need champions.

You are probably right about that. Champions here are needed about as much as people who attack others just because they dont like their opinion. The last word is yours. Enjoy.

darknessatnoon

10-29-2009, 12:46 PM

You are probably right about that. Champions here are needed about as much as people who attack others just because they dont like their opinion. The last word is yours. Enjoy.

Telling someone they have the last word is a transparent attempt to get it yourself. As Chris Claremont teaches us, wrong opinions must be corrected. That's life, bud.

Optic Rage!

10-29-2009, 12:51 PM

Sharif, thanks.

lockerogue

10-29-2009, 01:12 PM

i liked when it was professor x as the leader, and there were 2 squads.

I miss that as well.

Havok83

10-29-2009, 02:57 PM

I vote Storm. I hate what Scott has done with the team and hate the whole notion of Nation X. Storm is more than worthy of being leader and Id love to see her take over

Mind_Witch

10-29-2009, 03:22 PM

Out of the options, I would say Storm. Although if she were leading now, she would just be as badly mischaracterised as the majority of the x-men, including cyclops himself, are.

passer-by

10-29-2009, 04:28 PM

I vote Storm. I hate what Scott has done with the team and hate the whole notion of Nation X. Storm is more than worthy of being leader and Id love to see her take over

And do what, exactly? I'm not questioning your choice, just curious what you think she could/should do in the present circumstances.

Although if she were leading now, she would just be as badly mischaracterised as the majority of the x-men, including cyclops himself, are.
You have a point there. Why Ororo then, and not Scott, if you say they're both badly written?

Havok83

10-29-2009, 04:36 PM

And do what, exactly? I'm not questioning your choice, just curious what you think she could/should do in the present circumstances.

He no longer has any integrity. Scott's leadership has been filled with alot of secrets, lies, shady actions, etc... I hate that he's pretty much feels like a dictator controlling as many mutants as possible. No one opposes him. If he says jump they say how high. I dont like how he's segregated everyone and this Nation X is analogous to Genosha. I feel Storm at least has more honor wouldnt have made the same decisions he did.

passer-by

10-29-2009, 04:39 PM

He no longer has any integrity. Scott's leadership has been filled with alot of secrets, lies, shady actions, etc... I hate that he's pretty much feels like a dictator controlling as many mutants as possible. No one opposes him. If he says jump they say how high. I dont like how he's segregated everyone and this Nation X is analogous to Genosha. I feel Storm at least has more honor wouldnt have made the same decisions he did.

Okay. And she would have done... what, in your opinion? And with what results?

I mean, judging the leadership qualities should take into account the socio-political environment and specific circumstances they find themselves in, shouldn't it?:smile:

You show that yourself in the way you phrased your poll options.

Fed up with the way Cyclops is leading the group? Fair enough. What do you suggest Storm could/should do, then? "After what happened in the X-World".:wink:

Mind_Witch

10-29-2009, 04:47 PM

You have a point there. Why Ororo then, and not Scott, if you say they're both badly written?

A change is needed. Judging by previous incarnations of their respective leadership capabilities, I think Storm is just that bit much more compelling a leader, although they both have pros and cons. Although if Cyclops was actually written as an interesting leader, and more in-character, I would not mind so much him being in command.