Reviews for Dark Reign: The List - Wolverine

[[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite]

Judging from the reviews, this looks pretty good. Has anyone picked it up yet?

http://comics.ign.com/articles/103/1039837p1.html

http://www.comicsbulletin.com/reviews/125665515330107.htm

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=user_review&id=1520

[worstblogever]

I got it. I have to warn fans looking for a big dose of Logan... you don't really get it.

You do get the even more awesome duo of Noh-Varr and Fantomex busting each other's balls within "The World", though. The arrogance and hostility between the two, as they quickly are forced to get to know one another while racking up a huge body count to make sure H.A.M.M.E.R.'s latest recycling project (undead soldiers) doesn't get their hands on the World for Norman Osborn.

Jason Aaron proved to me, yet again, he is the best Wolverine writer in the biz right now, and it's not just Logan that he utilizes. Different voices for all the players. Unique situations worthy of the setting that Morrison created.

Yeah, this was a good read, alright.

[RJ Whakamol]

I heard that Weapon XVI(is that the right number?) was introduced. What's he/she/it like? Grant Morrison worthy?

Edit: Just read it in the CB review. That's kind of a big spoiler for a review. Oh well.

[Jake V]

I heard that Weapon XVI(is that the right number?) was introduced. What's he/she/it like? Grant Morrison worthy?
Weapon XVI or "Allgod" is a sentient virus that takes control of the faith centers of the brain, making a slave out of anyone who believes in god.

Totally worthy of Morrison.

[RJ Whakamol]

Weapon XVI or "Allgod" is a sentient virus that takes control of the faith centers of the brain, making a slave out of anyone who believes in god.

Totally worthy of Morrison.

That is pretty awesome. I believe I will pick this up.

[rwsmith]

D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite;9893802']Judging from the reviews, this looks pretty good. Has anyone picked it up yet?

I did, and, yes, it was very entertaining.

I got it. I have to warn fans looking for a big dose of Logan... you don't really get it.

I was one of those fans looking for a big dose of Logan, but Aaron's Marvel Boy / Fantomex team-up was enjoyable enough that I didn't even mind when I didn't get it.

I would love to see Aaron take over X-Force after K-Y leave the book and add Fantomex to the roster. :cool:

[[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite]

I got it. I have to warn fans looking for a big dose of Logan... you don't really get it.

Hey, I'm cool with that. :biggrin:

I'm really glad to hear about the Fantomex/Noh-Varr interaction. I'll try to check this out this weekend.

[Monty_Cristo]

well Shortpack got a mention in Fantomex's bio. wow. he's really never going to appear again. i hate x-writers.

[[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite]

well Shortpack got a mention in Fantomex's bio. wow. he's really never going to appear again. i hate x-writers.

But this lets us know the writers know he exists. :tongue: :biggrin: I'm sure he'll make an appearance not too long from now.

[mudmonky16]

can anyone post some spoilers on the issue???

[ZNOP]

Weapon XVI or "Allgod" is a sentient virus that takes control of the faith centers of the brain, making a slave out of anyone who believes in god.

Totally worthy of Morrison.

Well, at least Weapon XVI is nothing like "Sublime", a sentient bacteria that has the ability to infect other life forms, influence their behaviors and gain total control over those he infects.

can anyone post some spoilers on the issue???

Here's what's going on. Norman Osborn has discovered The World (the mutant weapon producing facility responsible for Fantomex's creation) and wants it. Marvel Boy lets Wolverine know of Osborn's intentions and gets roped into his first Team-Up. Once inside, though, The World releases Weapon XVI, Allgod, the Living Religion (a virus that attacks the Faith Reserves, converting you into an instant mind-controlled worshiper) and an army of mutants. You have to believe in some sort of god to be affected by Allgod, so Marvel Boy is immune. As is Fantomex, who shows up shortly thereafter. Wolverine, however, is not, and becomes one of the religious horde. At the same time, H.A.M.M.E.R. has released an army of zombie soldiers into The World in Osborn's attempt to capture the facility.

[jackolover]

So, this was a book named DR : The LIST Wolverine, and the only mention in it of Osborn s plans to take out Wolverine is that Noh Varr is the weapon that will kill Wolverine? No fight scene, and no follow up on if Wolverine will actually get targetted again, just straight into "The World" and Noh Varr and Fantomex, who by the way, starts to avoid killing his cousins, then slaughters them anyway towards the end. This could not be considered a LIST book. A LIST book would be actually targetting the guy whose name is on the cover.

[Gitaroo_Dude]

Anyone know why Ribic changed his style? I opened the book only to go "WTF" when I saw that he was using straight up pencils. It ended up being really good all the same, so kudos to him though.

Fantastic issue though. I actually figured AllGod would be a Morrison creation considering how outlandish it was. Hard to say whether this or the Punisher: List issue were better, but that's a problem I can be happy with. Hopefully Aaron is greenlighted a new Noh-Var/Fantomex team-up series.

Or that he writes an issue of Deapool Team-Up with Fantomex. Make it happen Marvel.

[CYOTI]

This could not be considered a LIST book. A LIST book would be actually targetting the guy whose name is on the cover.
No a List book would have Norman trying to accomplish something on that list of his. And taking over the "World" was one of the objectives.

Your objections are frankly bizarre, did you not consider DR X-Men then because Namor was the target rather than the X-Men.

[ShredHead]

Pretty good book the whole bait and switch did piss me off although I didn't feel cheated since it was a very well written story. It wasn't anything near like X-Men the list which just plain sucked.

[Goshin]

I thought Wolverine was atheist. The virus shouldn't affect him.

Uncanny X-Men #165, anyone?

Well, at least Kurt has had a positive influence on him....

[Disgruntled1]

I thought Wolverine was atheist. The virus shouldn't affect him.

Uncanny X-Men #165, anyone?

Well, at least Kurt has had a positive influence on him....

logan is an atheist always has been. quite frankly im shocked aaron would botch something that is that well documented. for a guy that is supposed to be THE wolverine writer that is a glaring and obvious mistake. almost put the book back on the rack for that one. somebody should mention that for his next x-positions. very out of character.

[Hindsight lad]

Say, does the FantomeX bio give his origin? I am always so confused about his timeline. Was he actually a master thief/mercenary before becoming Weapon XI, or was that all an elaborate hoax? If a hoax, how did he remember working with Mystique in Madagascar, and whose mother and French villa was that in his origin arc? I am never not confused when I read Morrison.

logan is an atheist always has been. quite frankly im shocked aaron would botch something that is that well documented. for a guy that is supposed to be THE wolverine writer that is a glaring and obvious mistake. almost put the book back on the rack for that one. somebody should mention that for his next x-positions. very out of character.

The sad thing is, I can't tell if you are joking or not. Also, I though Logan had some Buddhist/Shinto beliefs from his time in Japan. He certainly seems to put his heart into ceremony whenever he visits Mariko's grave.

Hindsight lad

[jackolover]

No a List book would have Norman trying to accomplish something on that list of his. And taking over the "World" was one of the objectives.

Your objections are frankly bizarre, did you not consider DR X-Men then because Namor was the target rather than the X-Men.

I thought Namor was part of the X-Men franchise, but I know what you mean. I guess the Utopia arc was the LIST :X-Men as far as Osborn is concerned.

As for the LIST books meaning something, if the Wolverine wasn't about wolverine, then they should have had it be aboutAtlas; it would be just as vague, as calling it Wolverine. World domination? Then it should have been called LIST :The World, not Wolverine.

[Black Manta]

I bought this seeing all the positive review. I didn't think it was all that great. I guess we did learn that Logan is religious and he's interested about his son. So Marvel Boy is the Kree version of Spider-Man? Would he be tough enough to take out Wolverine?

[amharner]

logan is an atheist always has been. quite frankly im shocked aaron would botch something that is that well documented. for a guy that is supposed to be THE wolverine writer that is a glaring and obvious mistake. almost put the book back on the rack for that one. somebody should mention that for his next x-positions. very out of character.

People change. And with faith, I don't think it's ever as simple as YES or NO. What we tell other people and what we believe in our hearts are often two very different things. I think what Aaron was saying is that, on some level, Logan does believe in God. To what extent or how...we don't know.

I thoroughly enjoyed this issue. Fast moving, thoughtful and fun to read. I highly recommend it to anyone curious.

[Goshin]

Lol I'm reading this in church on my blackberry...

[Kirayoshi]

logan is an atheist always has been. quite frankly im shocked aaron would botch something that is that well documented. for a guy that is supposed to be THE wolverine writer that is a glaring and obvious mistake. almost put the book back on the rack for that one. somebody should mention that for his next x-positions. very out of character.
Just because he is an atheist doesn't mean he isn't aware of the concept of God. There's an old Hindu myth about an atheist who reminded himself every waking moment, "There is no God." Even on his deathbed he repeated, "There is no God." But when he died he was immediately taken to Nirvana, the home of the Gods. By constantly denying God, he kept the idea of God in mind.

Now, given that his healing factor has been known to purge viruses from his system(even before recent writers upgraded his healing to insane levels), I somehow don't see him remaining affected by Weapon XVI for any length of time. Although I can see Kurt teasing him about it when it's all over("You picked a fine time to find religion, mein freund.")

[Goshin]

He does say "oh my god" every now and then......

[CYOTI]

I bought this seeing all the positive review. I didn't think it was all that great. I guess we did learn that Logan is religious and he's interested about his son. So Marvel Boy is the Kree version of Spider-Man?
Actually he is more like a cockroach than a spider per morrison.

[creaky]

People change. And with faith, I don't think it's ever as simple as YES or NO. What we tell other people and what we believe in our hearts are often two very different things. I think what Aaron was saying is that, on some level, Logan does believe in God. To what extent or how...we don't know.

He did ask Kurt to give the Native last rites.

[Goshin]

Maybe Logan will start attending sunday services and find him a nice asian red-headed church woman to settle down with

[nightw1ng]

i can easily see logan no longer being an atheist. he's "died" more than a couple times, each time getting glimpses of the afterlife. just knowing jean/phoenix probably changed his mind. heck, just living in the marvel universe, it'd be really hard to be an atheist with all these gods and god-like beings regularly visiting the earth.

[JmH Reborn]

Wolverine I believe, believes in the theory of God, just nothing in particular. Having Kurt around, the beliefs of the Japanese people and just having all of his own close encounters just makes one ponder more openly.

[jarrod]

He did ask Kurt to give the Native last rites.
He also saw Illyana as his angel on his deathbed.

[Disgruntled1]

The sad thing is, I can't tell if you are joking or not. Also, I though Logan had some Buddhist/Shinto beliefs from his time in Japan. He certainly seems to put his heart into ceremony whenever he visits Mariko's grave.I am not joking. Logan is interested in buddhism because of the peaceful ideals that he lacks in his own life. It is the concepts that interest him, but he is not a believer.

Mariko's family was both Buddhist and Shintoist IIRC. Their wedding I distinctly remember was a Shintoist ceremony. But that was simply out of respect to her family. It certainly doesn't prove he is a believer. Wolverine is a STUDENT of Japanese culture. Having a strong understanding of a culture's religious tendencies would be a part of that. Again, this does not make him a believer.
People change. And with faith, I don't think it's ever as simple as YES or NO. What we tell other people and what we believe in our hearts are often two very different things. I think what Aaron was saying is that, on some level, Logan does believe in God.Yes people change. Logan used to be a believer, but during WWI he lost his faith and has since mentioned it was a mistake. It is partly due to his hyper senses which ground him strongly in the material world. Go read his dialogue with Kurt during the Brood Saga. Everyone in the Marvel Universe KNOWS gods exist. That is not the issue. Logan does not believe in the message or doctrine of any god or religion. Probably because he's met several gods and thinks they are @$$holes.
Just because he is an atheist doesn't mean he isn't aware of the concept of God.Logan is aware of many different concepts of God. Again, that does not mean he believes and puts faith in their message. He has to have faith for the virus to work. That is what I object to. Logan does not have faith. Remember when the X-Men fought Dracula? Kurt was able to use a cross to keep Dracula away. Logan tried the same trick to no avail. Dracula is not effected and says, "You have to have faith for that to work."
Now, given that his healing factor has been known to purge viruses from his system(even before recent writers upgraded his healing to insane levels), I somehow don't see him remaining affected by Weapon XVI for any length of time.Which is my other problem with this issue. Logan should have multiple resistances to Weapon 16.
He does say "oh my god" every now and then......So do I. I dont believe in god. I was not raised in a religious family. Most members of my family have been known to say it as well. Has more to do with everyone using the phrase than anything else.
he's "died" more than a couple times, each time getting glimpses of the afterlife.Logan does believe in an afterlife of some kind. He also believes in angels, demons, and the supernatural - but that doesn't make him a practicioner of any religion or one of the faithful.