X-Force 20 Spoilers

[coveredinbees]

Super violent!!

Morales hides in the closet while Trigger X-23 chops the ankles of the Facility goons. A couple pages later, we visit Angel's destroyed house. Hrimhari asks for Elixir and Rahne is covered in a fur blanket and blood. Morales leaves her hideout carrying a bottle of something with a kleenex on top. In his office, Dr. Harkins yells at Kimura to grab X-23 before she escapes again, but X-23 comes to grab him instead. But the sprinklers are water now and the scent wears off as Kimura arrives to shoot X-23. Kimura shoots her some more and kills Dr. Harkins. Morales sets Kimura on fire and she escapes with X-23. Morales set the entire building on fire with her Kleenex and liquor. One of the Cuckoos finds X-23. Kimura threatens X-23 through her walkie-talkie. X-23 starts to cry. Morales tells her it's okay, but it's really not. Domino wants to kill Morales, but Morales is X-23's only friend. Domino, Wolverine, X-23, and Illyana go home and Morales plans to destroy X-23's files.
Epilogue: Doug speaks in binary.

I liked it okay. Too much action I thought.

[Pixie_Solanas]

The violence level is distressing.

[The Big G]

Thank you CB! Bought time we got a review!

Can't wait to pick it up :biggrin:

though from the review it sounds like your average day at the office for X-Force

[RoguishGurl]

Overall, I think this was a great conclusion to the arc. Choi/Oback art was simply great. They have a great way of conveying emotion in the characters and their detail is phenomenal. Though I guess people who are not great fans of X-23 may not enjoy the issue as much because the issue is basically solely about her.

I'm glad that Morales lived (unlike what some of you mean posters said would happen).

I do think it's time for something to happen to Kimura. She and X-23 can't play this little dance forever I think.

[Green Griffin]

Super violent!!

Morales hides in the closet while Trigger X-23 chops the ankles of the Facility goons. A couple pages later, we visit Angel's destroyed house. Hrimhari asks for Elixir and Rahne is covered in a fur blanket and blood. Morales leaves her hideout carrying a bottle of something with a kleenex on top. In his office, Dr. Harkins yells at Kimura to grab X-23 before she escapes again, but X-23 comes to grab him instead. But the sprinklers are water now and the scent wears off as Kimura arrives to shoot X-23. Kimura shoots her some more and kills Dr. Harkins. Morales sets Kimura on fire and she escapes with X-23. Morales set the entire building on fire with her Kleenex and liquor. One of the Cuckoos finds X-23. Kimura threatens X-23 through her walkie-talkie. X-23 starts to cry. Morales tells her it's okay, but it's really not. Domino wants to kill Morales, but Morales is X-23's only friend. Domino, Wolverine, X-23, and Illyana go home and Morales plans to destroy X-23's files.
Epilogue: Doug speaks in binary.

I liked it okay. Too much action I thought.

I Love the couple that is X-23 and Kimura. They were made for each other. X-23 has low self-esteem while Kimura is the obusive girlfriend. Way better then Hellion.

[The Big G]

I'm sorry you feel that way. I for one am interested to see how this relationship plays out. I think it would be interesting to see the two of them unite some time to take on a common threat, much like Wolverine was forced to do with Sabretooth a few times.

Well here's the thing, Kimura and Laura have no common enemies. Sure they could write something up for the two in the future but i dont think it could work out. Julian should have killed her when he had the chance....but no! He had to be all noble and shit!

I Love the couple that is X-23 and Kimura. They were made for each other. X-23 has low self-esteem while Kimura is the obusive girlfriend. Way better then Hellion.

Yeah...gunna have to say no to both these statements.

Overall, I think this was a great conclusion to the arc. Choi/Oback art was simply great. They have a great way of conveying emotion in the characters and their detail is phenomenal. Though I guess people who are not great fans of X-23 may not enjoy the issue as much because the issue is basically solely about her.

I'm glad that Morales lived (unlike what some of you mean posters said would happen).

I think Choi is miles ahead of crain when it comes to drawing X-Force but that just me.

And to be honest i am surprised that Morales survived. :eek: Kinda expected her to take a bullet for Laura during the issue.

[Leirus]

Uiiiii Thanks covered.... Glad Morales survived... we do not have that many hispanic characteres around !! Plus, I like her a lot...

I kinda expected Kimura to die here...

[RickyD410]

I liked this issue alot. The X-23 destruction scene was just EPIC. It was beautiful. With the fire, and the raining trigger scent. Choic and Oback are gods.

I was a little disappointed that Hellion didnt save X-23, but I guess her story is more powerful without anyone coming to help her. Like Dom said, its not ok. I'm surprised they just left Agent Morales there, especially cus X-23 said they were friends, and Kimura was still there.

Whats gona happen to Megan?? :eek: Kimura made some pretty big threats. X-Force needs to take her out!

I also wanted to see Elixir wake up in this issue. He needs to heal Rahne and charge into action for Necrosha!

Anyway, it was a great, and very emotional ending to X-23's crazy story. I would have liked to see a bit more of the rest of the cast, but I love Laura, so its ok. :smile:

[Green Griffin]

I was kidding about the two but i do love the hate between the two.

[The Big G]

I was a little disappointed that Hellion didnt save X-23, but I guess her story is more powerful without anyone coming to help her. Like Dom said, its not ok. I'm surprised they just left Agent Morales there, especially cus X-23 said they were friends, and Kimura was still there.

As much as some us wanted this to happen...lets be serious for a second...we were lucky to see Julian at all in 19. As much as i wanted Hellion to bust in and kill Kimura or do anything i knew it wasnt going to happen.

[timbox]

Domino didn't slap the Couscous or shoot Agent Morales in the face - I was disappointed.

Choi has always done a beautiful enraged X-23 and this issue is no exception.

[coveredinbees]

I forgot to say that Kimura calls Hellion X-23's boyfriend. Guess it's canon now.

I was also hoping Kimura would die.

Thanks a bunch, The_Triumvirate!

[x-23]

Super violent!!

Morales hides in the closet while Trigger X-23 chops the ankles of the Facility goons. A couple pages later, we visit Angel's destroyed house. Hrimhari asks for Elixir and Rahne is covered in a fur blanket and blood. Morales leaves her hideout carrying a bottle of something with a kleenex on top. In his office, Dr. Harkins yells at Kimura to grab X-23 before she escapes again, but X-23 comes to grab him instead. But the sprinklers are water now and the scent wears off as Kimura arrives to shoot X-23. Kimura shoots her some more and kills Dr. Harkins. Morales sets Kimura on fire and she escapes with X-23. Morales set the entire building on fire with her Kleenex and liquor. One of the Cuckoos finds X-23. Kimura threatens X-23 through her walkie-talkie. X-23 starts to cry. Morales tells her it's okay, but it's really not. Domino wants to kill Morales, but Morales is X-23's only friend. Domino, Wolverine, X-23, and Illyana go home and Morales plans to destroy X-23's files.
Epilogue: Doug speaks in binary.

I liked it okay. Too much action I thought.

What does Kimura say to make Laura cry?

[coveredinbees]

What does Kimura say to make Laura cry?
Something like, "I'm never going to stop. I'm going to kill your bitchy cousin, Meggan, and everyone you love."

[chickrockguitar]

Ooo. Sounds good! I can't wait to get my issue tomorrow!

[Green Griffin]

Something like, "I'm never going to stop. I'm going to kill your bitchy cousin, Meggan, and everyone you love."

hmmm, that does sound pretty awesome.

[Vivica Kang]

Was the threats that she directing towards X-23 Rated R?? Like Brutal words or Im gonna get you words?

[Puunk]

Laura crying was epic, I loved this scene. This issue was awesome.

Doug appears in three issues this week. o__o

Kudos to K&Y for an awesome issue.

[coveredinbees]

Was the threats that she directing towards X-23 Rated R?? Like Brutal words or Im gonna get you words?
No.
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9890338&postcount=16

[x-23]

Something like, "I'm never going to stop. I'm going to kill your bitchy cousin, Meggan, and everyone you love."

But no one know where Meggan and her mom are at or do they.

[chickrockguitar]

Anyone got scans of that scene? Tomorrow is too far away, lol. :tongue:

[Personamanx]

I won't be able to get this for at least a week. Im excited though.

[coveredinbees]

But no one know where Meggan and her mom are at or do they.
I do not know if they know where they are. H.A.M.M.E.R. did have a picture of Meggan last issue, howver.

[chickrockguitar]

But no one know where Meggan and her mom are at or do they.I'm sure they could be found.

[x-23]

I'm sure they could be found.

Yea maybe Emma can find them.

[Vivica Kang]

This sounds like a Crazy best friend still has bad blood for her friend story...I might check this out.

[x-23]

Anyone got scans of that scene? Tomorrow is too far away, lol. :tongue:

Yes I agree anyone got scenes?

[RickyD410]

I forgot to say that Kimura calls Hellion X-23's boyfriend. Guess it's canon now.

I was also hoping Kimura would die.

Thanks a bunch, The_Triumvirate!

Haha, I think Kimura was just taunting X-23. How would Kimura know whether or not X-23 was dating someone?

[Vivica Kang]

Yea maybe Emma can find them.

Yes she could but...remember New X-men Childhood ends saga...She was making her life hell. Hopefully Yost and Kyle avoid this part.

[Optic Rage!]

Very good issue, beautiful art. I felt horrible for Laura at the end, total despair.

I do think that the next time X-23 & Kimura meet, it needs to be the last.

[Swashbuckler]

Gut wrenchingly beautiful. I love Morales, and I bet next tiem we see her she's already found and is protecting Meggan.

[worstblogever]

Definitely a stand-alone issue. Kyle and Yost love their baby, X-23. No doubt of that.

Now, that isn't to say she gets to solve all her problems easily. She's got one friggin' arm, after all. Having a much-needed assist at the end from Agent Morales (who we likely haven't heard the last of) helped.

That being said, the scene scripting in this was brilliant. Choi and Oback's art captured the action flawlessly. All the blood/water/trigger scent blending together, and all the fire and explosions... just wow.

Dug it.

[x-23]

Very good issue, beautiful art. I felt horrible for Laura at the end, total despair.

I do think that the next time X-23 & Kimura meet, it needs to be the last.

Yes it should be the last time those two meet.

[Grunty]

Yay Morales survived!

If you think about it, from what Kimura yelled at Laura, she now seems to have a whole lot of people she cares about or who care about her.

Two questions though.

What the hell happend on the page were Morales throws the burning flask at Kimura and why didn't the X-men just sank the whole installation to drow Kimura?

Seriously i look at that page and can't understand why Kimura is suddently pinned against the monitor.

Besides that a nice issue and good finish for the arc.

[RoguishGurl]

Gut wrenchingly beautiful. I love Morales, and I bet next tiem we see her she's already found and is protecting Meggan.
Morales should show up in Secret Warriors with Fury.

[infernohara]

I felt bad for Laura here and I really loved how Wolverine is stepping in a kinda "father" role for X-23. The way he was talking to Domino was wonderful. I miss that kinda character interaction.

Kimura isn't indestructable, so why do they her like she is insanely durable? Is she truly more durable that Joanna Cargrill form the Acolytes. I have a feeling Wolverine may kill Kimura after this.

[coveredinbees]

Definitely a stand-alone issue. Kyle and Yost love their baby, X-23. No doubt of that.

Now, that isn't to say she gets to solve all her problems easily. She's got one friggin' arm, after all. Having a much-needed assist at the end from Agent Morales (who we likely haven't heard the last of) helped.
I don't know. It's growing back. I hope we get to see some severe emotional trauma from this.

[x-23]

Heres spoilers
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http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Ajdwdm2XLE4/SuirO6ZaAzI/AAAAAAAAAE4/0VTPFhu1aOI/s1600-h/111111111111111111111111111111.jpg
Then I take it she crys.

[chickrockguitar]

How would Kimura know whether or not X-23 was dating someone?I don't think she was saying "boyfreind" in the terms of Laura dating. She saw Julian and Laura were freinds in the New X-Men arc, so she used the info from then and just said "boyfreind" in a teasing like way.

[RoguishGurl]

I felt bad for Laura here and I really loved how Wolverine is stepping in a kinda "father" role for X-23. The way he was talking to Domino was wonderful. I miss that kinda character interaction.

Kimura isn't indestructable, so why do they her like she is insanely durable? Is she truly more durable that Joanna Cargrill form the Acolytes. I have a feeling Wolverine may kill Kimura after this.
She is more durable than Frenzy I think. X-23 can't cut Kimura but she was able to cut Frenzy. Kimura is basically indestructable I think. She can only be harmed from telekinesis and telepathy.

[Hakael]

I'll find Morales, I'll find your little X-Men classmates... your telekinetic boyfriend...and I'm going to kill them all! I'm going to kill everything you love! And the first person on my list is Megan!

Looking forward to Hellion tossing Kimura across another county.

also, RIP Harkins, you were my favorite evil scientist/businessman...

[x-23]

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Where I got them from
http://x-23-laurakinney.blogspot.com/search/label/x-force

[Personamanx]

The pic don't show hu well weird
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Cool scene.

[x-23]

Cool scene.

Yep they sure were POOR LAURA

[chickrockguitar]

So... Laura didn't hear Kimura talk about Megan then? Am I right?

[infernohara]

She is more durable than Frenzy I think. X-23 can't cut Kimura but she was able to cut Frenzy. Kimura is basically indestructable I think. She can only be harmed from telekinesis and telepathy.

Interesting. I figured she was highly dense or something. Wolverine and Punisher actually had a Predator X attack her and it didn't look to good for her.....except she had that off button which saved her ass.

[x-23]

So... Laura didn't hear Kimura talk about Megan then? Am I right?

I thoght she did.

[Hakael]

after rereading it, I don't think she heard the part about Megan. There was a SFX of the feed cutting and the shot of Kimura shouting it has the handset melted. Dubious.

[DeadPool2]

Hrimhari asks for Elixir and Rahne is covered in a fur blanket and blood.


Why :eek:

[DeadPool2]

The pic don't show hu well weird
So here the site for each pic.
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Where I got them from
http://x-23-laurakinney.blogspot.com/search/label/x-force

Who wants to kill Megan
and Laura looks soooooooo PRETTY :)

[Mia]

I do think it's time for something to happen to Kimura. She and X-23 can't play this little dance forever I think.

Yes it is getting old and tired. I was a bit disapointed by the last scene with Laura crying in reaction to Kimura's threats about Megan. I would have thought that Laura was filled with sterner stuff. Isn't it time that Laura go to Emma or one of the other telepaths and ask her to get rid of this woman for once and for all? I really hope that in the hopes of making Laura more human she's not being reduced to a whinny/weepy teenage girl.

Otherwise the story was enjoyable.

[chickrockguitar]

after rereading it, I don't think she heard the part about Megan. There was a SFX of the feed cutting and the shot of Kimura shouting it has the handset melted. Dubious.Yeah. That's what I thought. That doesn't bode well for Megan.

[DeadPool2]

I do think it's time for something to happen to Kimura. She and X-23 can't play this little dance forever I think.

OR LAURA

[x-23]

Who wants to kill Megan
and Laura looks soooooooo PRETTY :)

Kimura whats to kill Megan.

[Leirus]

Well, I think the next logical step would be to kill off Kimura and move Laura the hell out of X-Force. I do not want her to transform into a shocked teenager...

[timbox]

I guess I am the only one who wanted Domino to blow Agent M's face off.

I am a little worried that X-23's arm is going to grow back like Anole's. That would be gross.

[x-23]

Well, I think the next logical step would be to kill off Kimura and move Laura the hell out of X-Force. I do not want her to transform into a shocked teenager...

I agree I think she should leave the whole every x team behind and try to have a normal life as she can. O r just stay away from x-force.

[RoguishGurl]

Yes it is getting old and tired. I was a bit disapointed by the last scene with Laura crying in reaction to Kimura's threats about Megan. I would have thought that Laura was filled with sterner stuff. Isn't it time that Laura go to Emma or one of the other telepaths and ask her to get rid of this woman for once and for all? I really hope that in the hopes of making Laura more human she's not being reduced to a whinny/weepy teenage girl.

Otherwise the story was enjoyable.
Laura is tough but there is only so much she can take. I thought her breaking down was a very good scene. Here is this teenage girl and this woman who has terrorized her is threatening all she loves and cares about and Laura truly believes that there is nothing that she can do to stop her. Just because Laura broke down and cried doesn't make her a weaker person. It shows that she can feel, can be hurt and that she can feel despair and it is possible that she can show it.

[Mia]

Well, I think the next logical step would be to kill off Kimura and move Laura the hell out of X-Force. I do not want her to transform into a shocked teenager...

I think that Laura will be moved out of X-Force by time the current creative team leave. But Kimura can't die fast enough for me. Let's face it, she nothing more than a school yard bully who Laura shouldn't be afraid of. Wolverine needs to find out about her and kill her or get one of his friends to get rid of her one and for all.

[RoguishGurl]

I guess I am the only one who wanted Domino to blow Agent M's face off.

I am a little worried that X-23's arm is going to grow back like Anole's. That would be gross.
I thought that you would love Agent Morales!

And trust me. It won't.

[x-23]

Laura is tough but there is only so much she can take. I thought her breaking down was a very good scene. Here is this teenage girl and this woman who has terrorized her is threatening all she loves and cares about and Laura truly believes that there is nothing that she can do to stop her. Just because Laura broke down and cried doesn't make her a weaker person. It shows that she can feel, can be hurt and that she can feel despair and it is possible that she can show it.

I like that she cryed it shows the facilty did not take all her humanity.

[chickrockguitar]

Laura is tough but there is only so much she can take. I thought her breaking down was a very good scene. Here is this teenage girl and this woman who has terrorized her is threatening all she loves and cares about and Laura truly believes that there is nothing that she can do to stop her. Just because Laura broke down and cried doesn't make her a weaker person. It shows that she can feel, can be hurt and that she can feel despair and it is possible that she can show it.Well said. That's my thoughts exactly.

[timbox]

I like that she cryed it shows the facilty did not take all her humanity.

Are you going to write a poem about this issue?

[x-23]

Are you going to write a poem about this issue?

Funny:biggrin: Now I regret writeing anything about Laura.

[DeadXMan]

I liked this issue alot. The X-23 destruction scene was just EPIC. It was beautiful. With the fire, and the raining trigger scent. Choic and Oback are gods.

I was a little disappointed that Hellion didnt save X-23, but I guess her story is more powerful without anyone coming to help her. Like Dom said, its not ok. I'm surprised they just left Agent Morales there, especially cus X-23 said they were friends, and Kimura was still there.

Whats gona happen to Megan?? :eek: Kimura made some pretty big threats. X-Force needs to take her out!

I also wanted to see Elixir wake up in this issue. He needs to heal Rahne and charge into action for Necrosha!

Anyway, it was a great, and very emotional ending to X-23's crazy story. I would have liked to see a bit more of the rest of the cast, but I love Laura, so its ok. :smile:

why Should he? Every time he heals her, She goes crazy and guts him.

[Hakael]

Are you going to write a poem about this issue?

Timbox, I suggest you write the poem instead. It would be enjoyable.

[coveredinbees]

why Should he? Every time he heals her, She goes crazy and guts him.
They have to kill Banshee again together!

[Optic Rage!]

Yes it is getting old and tired. I was a bit disapointed by the last scene with Laura crying in reaction to Kimura's threats about Megan. I would have thought that Laura was filled with sterner stuff. Isn't it time that Laura go to Emma or one of the other telepaths and ask her to get rid of this woman for once and for all? I really hope that in the hopes of making Laura more human she's not being reduced to a whinny/weepy teenage girl.

Otherwise the story was enjoyable.

Yeah, how dare Laura actually show emotion! It's not like she's just been tortured and had her arm cut off with a chainsaw or anything, or that this monster who has ruined her life won't stop trying to kill everyone and thing that she loves.

Such a weak person.

[Hakael]

why Should he? Every time he heals her, She goes crazy and guts him.

Yep, I would hope he'd learn his lesson by now... you don't heal ex girlfriends.

[Mia]

Laura is tough but there is only so much she can take. I thought her breaking down was a very good scene. Here is this teenage girl and this woman who has terrorized her is threatening all she loves and cares about and Laura truly believes that there is nothing that she can do to stop her. Just because Laura broke down and cried doesn't make her a weaker person. It shows that she can feel, can be hurt and that she can feel despair and it is possible that she can show it.

This doesn't mesh with the X-23/Laura Kinney who calls people on what they should have done. Laura of all people (I hope) would understand that crying is not going to do a darn thing for her aunt and cousine. She should either tell Agent Morales about her cousine aunt and have her try and intervene. Or she should go to Emma or Psylocke or Wolverine and let them know that Kimura is a threat and can they please do something to intervene. I never thought that Laura was prone to self-pity.

[chickrockguitar]

Sorry this doesn't mesh with the X-23/Laura Kinney who calls people on what they should have done. Laura of all people (I hope) would understand that crying is not going to do a darn thing for her aunt and cousine. She should either tell Agent Morales about her cousine aunt and have her try and intervene. Or she should go to Emma or Psylocke or Wolverine and let them know that Kimura is a threat and can they please do something to intervene. I never thought that Laura was prone to self-pity.Re-read that scene. The radio cut off before Kimura sceamed about Megan.

[Mia]

Re-read that scene. The radio cut off before Kimura sceamed about Megan.

Still changes nothing. Crying and bawling won't solve a thing--Laura of all people should know that. She needs to let Wolverine know about how dangerous Kimura is and that something needs to be done about her.

[x-23]

Are you going to write a poem about this issue?

Okay here you go

Kimura and her threats
They are not lies
The people I love will die by her
But I won't let that happen
No not at all
I will save them
Save Megan
So no more crying
No more leting people die
No more
No more
Kimura life will end so will her threats

[Hakael]

Sorry this doesn't mesh with the X-23/Laura Kinney who calls people on what they should have done. Laura of all people (I hope) would understand that crying is not going to do a darn thing for her aunt and cousine. She should either tell Agent Morales about her cousine aunt and have her try and intervene. Or she should go to Emma or Psylocke or Wolverine and let them know that Kimura is a threat and can they please do something to intervene.

You don't understand the position Kimura holds in Laura's life then. Kimura has taken every initiative to drill into Laura that there's nothing she can do to stop her. Kimura is X's personal devil. She hasn't been stripped of all emotion, and hearing that her tormentor is determined to see everything in her life destroyed broke her down because she can't personally stop it. X isn't a team player, she wasn't trained to depend on others... in Kimura's case, she has to...

[chickrockguitar]

Still changes nothing. Crying and bawling won't solve a thing--Laura of all people should know that. She needs to let Wolverine know about how dangerous Kimura is and that something needs to be done about her.Hmm, sorry, I agree with RG on this Mia. X-23 is human after all. Wolvie was right. There's only so much crap she can take.

You are a hard, hard woman. :biggrin:

[RoguishGurl]

This doesn't mesh with the X-23/Laura Kinney who calls people on what they should have done. Laura of all people (I hope) would understand that crying is not going to do a darn thing for her aunt and cousine. She should either tell Agent Morales about her cousine aunt and have her try and intervene. Or she should go to Emma or Psylocke or Wolverine and let them know that Kimura is a threat and can they please do something to intervene. I never thought that Laura was prone to self-pity.
It meshes well with the Laura who fears for the people she cares dearly about. And the thing is, Laura states right there that she feels like there is nothing that she can do to stop Kimura. In this she has lost hope. It is not self-pity. It's despair and frustration. And just because in that one moment she broke down doesn't mean she wouldn't try to do something in the future. But in that one moment in time, she has been through hell. She had her arm chopped off and this one woman who has probably caused her the most pain in the world is threatening all she cares about. I think she is justified in breaking down just this once. She is not any weaker because of it. She is just human.

[RickyD410]

why Should he? Every time he heals her, She goes crazy and guts him.

Haha. Good point. It'd be hilarious to see him wake up and refuse to heal her again. "The last time I did this she tried to kill me! AND the time before that too! NO MORE!"

[The Big G]

The pic don't show hu well weird
So here the site for each pic.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Ajdwdm2XLE4/SuirCc7sLXI/AAAAAAAAAEo/pbrMq3XySQI/s1600-h/22222222222222.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Ajdwdm2XLE4/SuirO6ZaAzI/AAAAAAAAAE4/0VTPFhu1aOI/s1600-h/111111111111111111111111111111.jpg


Actually there is something Laura can do. First get her "telekinetic BF" to grow a pair so next time they meet kimura again he crushes her brain or destroys her lungs or just make her dead!

Or better yet this comical scene:

Laura: Julian Kimura is coming to kill us. You must kill her.

Julian: No Laura! Killing isnt the way to settle our problems!

Laura: Kill her or no sex.

Julian: :eek: ....any specfic way you want her to die?

Laura::evilsmile:

[DeadPool2]

Hellion is a P*$$! :biggrin:

[Washout]

This book was good but not as good as usual. It felt like they got too focused on Necrosha to care about the latter part of this arc. Oh well, I'm really excited for the next arc.

[x-23]

Actually there is something Laura can do. First get her "telekinetic BF" to grow a pair so next time they meet kimura again he crushes her brain or destroys her lungs or just make her dead!

Or better yet this comical scene:

Laura: Julian Kimura is coming to kill us. You must kill her.

Julian: No Laura! Killing isnt the way to settle our problems!

Laura: Kill her or no sex.

Julian: :eek: ....any specfic way you want her to die?

Laura::evilsmile:

He'll do anything now if he gets what he wants?

[The Big G]

He'll do anything now if he gets what he wants?

basically im making fun of Julian's character and that men in general will do something they dont want to do to because the other alternative is no sex.

[rwsmith]

I get the feeling that Wolverine's talk about there being "some changes once they get X-23 back" is foreshadowing for the post-Second Coming status of this book. Obviously Necrosha will take place before those changes can be made, and then Second Coming follows immediately after. My guess is that Logan may disband X-Force after SC, or at least refuse to allow Laura to be a part of it anymore.

If the former scenario happens, though, I could see it continuing under Cable (provided he's still around in some form). I do kind of think they'll kill him in SC (too many references to how old he is now in his own book), but I suspect he might come back by the end of the event to put the final nail in Bastion's coffin.

I just keep going back to all of those hints and teases during Messiah Complex from the writers about "which version of Cable had the baby", as well as Axel Alonso's comments about wanting to make Cable a major player again. I could see where those plans may've been in the works and then got shelved until the final act. Or maybe they just shelved them indefinitely and decided he's had enough chances, and thus Cable will just be one of the "permanent" deaths in SC (as permanent as death can be in comics, that is).

Regardless, I'm looking forward to the rest of Kyle & Yost's run on this title, but, ever since SC was announced and K-Y made it known they were leaving, I can't help looking past it all and wondering "what's next?' Maybe that's just me, though.

[Prodigy55]

They didn't kill agent Morales? LAME.

[Hakael]

They didn't kill agent Morales? LAME.

You like Wallflower, LAME should be right up your alley. :biggrin:

I expect major changes after Second Coming, but I'm happy to see how Kyle and Yost finish their tale first.

[x-23]

They didn't kill agent Morales? LAME.

Why didn't they kill her?

[Hakael]

Why didn't they kill her?

maybe they have plans for the character? that'd be my guess.

[x-23]

maybe they have plans for the character? that'd be my guess.

Yea Maybe she could be useful.

[The Big G]

maybe they have plans for the character? that'd be my guess.

yeah i going to go with Hakael on this one.
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[Prodigy55]

no, they just didn't have enough pages to kill her because they had to put in that dumb cypher page. next issue <3

[x-23]

yeah i going to go with Hakael on this one.
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Maybe to find Megan or she know Rice is still alive that be cool.LOL:biggrin:

[mikekerr3]

She is more durable than Frenzy I think. X-23 can't cut Kimura but she was able to cut Frenzy. Kimura is basically indestructable I think. She can only be harmed from telekinesis and telepathy.

Somebody dropping here in the ociean wuld work just fine, The has been nothing said about here not being able to drowned, Dust woul tearher lungs out without even feeling guilty.

There are many X-men who can take her out easily, it's just X-23 and Wolverine are not among them.

[DeadPool2]

Rice is still alive http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr180/brice42/oh_snap.gif

[x-23]

Rice is still alive http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr180/brice42/oh_snap.gif

No its from a fan fic He could be easyly to make him come back.to life that be cool.

[mikekerr3]

Still changes nothing. Crying and bawling won't solve a thing--Laura of all people should know that. She needs to let Wolverine know about how dangerous Kimura is and that something needs to be done about her.

Crying is a good an healthy reation to emotional pain and stress, It's a good sigh that she's crying, if she was not her humanity would be long gone

Who says crying has to fix things to be useful, it's good for her.

[DeadXMan]

I don't think Doug is completly under the Eli's control.

[AcesX1X]

kimura also included hellion in her list of threats.


beautiful issue, though. it broke my heart seeing laura go through all that at the end, but hopefully, she will come out of this stronger, and with a reason to keep fighting.

[Themasething]

I thought this was a good issue. I've always been an X-23 fan and its good when they give her the spotlight instead of writing her off as "just a Wolverine clone".

I'm not looking forward to the Nercosha story thou. If there is one book that SHOULD NOT be dragged into Marvel's "Big Event" crap its this one... and yes I know Messiah War was an event, and I didn't care for that either

[worstblogever]

I thought this was a good issue. I've always been an X-23 fan and its good when they give her the spotlight instead of writing her off as "just a Wolverine clone".

I'm not looking forward to the Nercosha story thou. If there is one book that SHOULD NOT be dragged into Marvel's "Big Event" crap its this one... and yes I know Messiah War was an event, and I didn't care for that either

Odd, considering this series has been building towards that event since its inception.

[The Big G]

kimura also included hellion in her list of threats.

Hellion isnt his codename anymore its Laura's Telekinetic BF

[AcesX1X]

Hellion isnt his codename anymore its Laura's Telekinetic BF

well, at least it's canon now..

[x-23]

Hellion isnt his codename anymore its Laura's Telekinetic BF

LOL:biggrin:

[DeadPool2]

I'd rather have Kimura be Laura's BF

[The Big G]

well, at least it's canon now..

well its not thats it cannon, its just that Kimura referred to him as her "telekinetic bf

[x-23]

I'd rather have Kimura be Laura's BF

Are you crazy?:eek:

[Personamanx]

Hellion isnt his codename anymore its Laura's Telekinetic BF

I approve!

[DeadPool2]

Are you crazy?:eek:

Most of the time ...... yeah http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii269/theogrit/Large%20Smilies/1lg033crazy.gif

[x-23]

Most of the time ...... yeah http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii269/theogrit/Large%20Smilies/1lg033crazy.gif

Glad we got something covered.LOL:biggrin: :smile:

[Talisman]

I don't think Doug is completly under the Eli's control.
I don't think they're all completely under their control, but there is that firewall for those who try to think outside the box.

[Hakael]

I thought this was a good issue. I've always been an X-23 fan and its good when they give her the spotlight instead of writing her off as "just a Wolverine clone".

I'm not looking forward to the Nercosha story thou. If there is one book that SHOULD NOT be dragged into Marvel's "Big Event" crap its this one... and yes I know Messiah War was an event, and I didn't care for that either

I'm with WBE on this one, if anything its an X-Force storyline that expanded to include NM and Legacy.

[DeadXMan]

I'm with WBE on this one, if anything its an X-Force storyline that expanded to include NM and Legacy.

with good reason too since it involves characters that are connected with the main Protagonists of these books.

which I believe is further proof of KY's understanding of past stories and willingness to work with others to make a better story. This is also why I believe they would make great Uncanny writers.

[DeadXMan]

Hellion isnt his codename anymore its Laura's Telekinetic BF



only if it stands for "B***h Forever":wink:

[The Big G]

only if it stands for "B***h Forever":wink:

pretty much :biggrin:

[Bahnz]

God I hate Kimura. She's an annoying one dimensional hate character who's only ever had one purpose - to dredge up some extra sympathy for X-23's plight by being really nasty to her for no well defined reason. It's about time that Hellion popped that TK bubble in her brain and freed us from her moustache twirling antics once and for all.

[DeadPool2]

God I hate Kimura. She's an annoying one dimensional hate character who's only ever had one purpose - to dredge up some extra sympathy for X-23's plight by being really nasty to her for no well defined reason. It's about time that Hellion popped that TK bubble in her brain and freed us from her moustache twirling antics once and for all.

Before that she should be tortured like she did to X-23

[CmX]

I was really hoping Laura would have finally gotten rid of Kimura but she doesn't! I hope Yost wraps that plot before they depart X-Force. I'd hate to see anyone else handle it.

[k.i.n.g.]

I really liked the issue & shield/hammer Agent Morales. I made some avatars from it if anyone is interested:

Catch Me if You Can:
http://i35.tinypic.com/2m4t0z4.jpg

Bright Eyes:
http://i36.tinypic.com/66kqye.jpg

Friendly Fire:
http://i36.tinypic.com/715k6c.jpg

Agent Morales:
http://i36.tinypic.com/2r5q15w.jpg

[Victorious]

WOW! Another great issue, I love the constant action, but no so much the exaggerated and unnecessary violence, but this is X-Force, so..

I love story. The way Morales and Laura deals with the Facility was great. Two girls against a whole army and yet they survive in a creatively and strategic way, not just being bad-ass heroes.
Wonder what would happen with Laura’s arm. I guess it could grow up slowly (but without the claws) and when Elixir wakes up they could just insert them in her arm again.
That last scene with Laura crying was very touching. How sad con someone feel for her? Amazing moments, and it shows how much Laura has grown and how much friends she has gain since she left the Facility. Kimura is a real psico bitch. Love Morales last comment “What a psycho”.
I’m really worry for Megan, maybe Morales will look for her and protect her. After all she saw the file and supposedly she knows as much as Kimura knows about her whereabouts. She could just go and see her since she is one of two survivors from Laura’s missions.
Also, I think after this Laura is definitely leaving X-Force, Wolverine won’t let her be part of the team. Maybe she fight in Necrosha, but not because of Cyclops’ orders or because of being a part of the team, but to help Elixir and save his life (in order to return the favor), since he will be surely involved.

Also, love Morales, hope we see more of her. I would have love to see her join the team. But I guess we will have to wait for another appearance of her. I also think it was rude for them to leave her there alone. After all, she help save Laura.

Wondering what’s going on with Rhane. But how does Hrimhari knows about Elixir existence?! I thought that was weird.

So no Elixir nor Vanisher. Miss them.
Vanisher apparently will be back for Necrosha and with Pyro on his side. Hope he stays with the team afterwards. I like him as part of the X-Men. Wonder if his tumor would be cured and how would he react to Elixir being in coma, after all he is the only one who can save him. Maybe he came back and found Elixir is in coma and decide to do whatever he wants since he is dead, but hopefully Elixir’s appearance in Necrosha would make him chance his mind and save the kid, in order to make him heal him afterwards. It makes sense that Elixir's safety would be priority number one for Vanisher.

Cypher reading in binary is great, great detail the word OBEY there. I seems he really is under Eli’s influence. And Choi’s Cypher is beautiful.

The art is f***king breath taking, flawless and incredibly beautiful. Choi's expressions are amazing. Some awesome panels. My favourites:

http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss210/onebadapple/XF201.jpg

http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss210/onebadapple/XF202.jpg

http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss210/onebadapple/XF203.jpg

http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss210/onebadapple/XF204.jpg

Regardless, I'm looking forward to the rest of Kyle & Yost's run on this title, but, ever since SC was announced and K-Y made it known they were leaving, I can't help looking past it all and wondering "what's next?' Maybe that's just me, though.

Me too, but it's ok, is like reading a good mini series and knowing it's going to end at some point. Plus, they knew X-Force will end all along, so I trust them with the conclusion of this series.

[CmX]

Wondering what’s going on with Rhane. But how does Hrimhari knows about Elixir existence?! I thought that was weird.

Well he said that Rahne asked him to find Elixir before she passed out.

[Victorious]

Well he said that Rahne asked him to find Elixir before she passed out.

He did not. He said he is looking for the one they call Elixir. But we saw last issue that Rahne didn't tell him to look for him. Elixir is not even mentioned. I think there's something wrong about Hrimhari.... bad news for X-Force. With Necrosha and SC coming soon, I don't know how they'd have time to develop Rahne plot. Something tells me Rahne is just a victim of a very sick game.

[CmX]

He did not. He said he is looking for the one they call Elixir. But we saw last issue that Rahne didn't tell him to look for him. Elixir is not even mentioned. I think there's something wrong about Hrimhari.... bad news for X-Force. With Necrosha and SC coming soon, I don't know how they'd have time to develop Rahne plot. Something tells me Rahne is just a victim of a very sick game.

Okay I take it you didn't read the Necrosha One-Shot then?

Said mention takes place there.

[DeadXMan]

God I hate Kimura. She's an annoying one dimensional hate character who's only ever had one purpose - to dredge up some extra sympathy for X-23's plight by being really nasty to her for no well defined reason. It's about time that Hellion popped that TK bubble in her brain and freed us from her moustache twirling antics once and for all.

How can you hate a hottie that reenacts evil dead?

[Victorious]

Okay I take it you didn't read the Necrosha One-Shot then?

Said mention takes place there.

lol, sorry, haven't read it. Glad that was explained though.

[q.u.e.e.n.]

Still changes nothing. Crying and bawling won't solve a thing--Laura of all people should know that. She needs to let Wolverine know about how dangerous Kimura is and that something needs to be done about her.

Since when has crying been a sign of weakness? She broke down this once and it is very understandable. It doesn't mean she will start wailing all the time. It just means that she was under a lot when she started crying. I am curious though, why do you think her crying this once makes her a weaker person?

[DeadXMan]

She just tor through a Legion of highly trained mercs and assassins with one damn arm behind her back, and your saying she weak cause she started to cry when the one person she can't kill and has been tormenting her for damn near 10yrs of her life and just cut her arm off with a chainsaw has vowed to kill off everything she holds dear and there really is nothing she can do about it?

you are a heartless Son of a gun.

[RickyD410]

She just tor through a Legion of highly trained mercs and assassins with one damn arm behind her back, and your saying she weak cause she started to cry when the one person she can't kill and has been tormenting her for damn near 10yrs of her life and just cut her arm off with a chainsaw has vowed to kill off everything she holds dear and there really is nothing she can do about it?

you are a heartless Son of a gun.

While heartless son of a gun is a bit much.... I agree that Mia, you should look at the situation through Laura's eyes. Even though we have been made to believe, just like Cyclops, that Laura is a robot who can withstand anything, she does have her limits. Like Wolverine said. She can only withstand so much before seh breaks down, because she IS human. This moment here, was that moment. Despite fighting her way through the Facility, taking down legions of Facility armed guards, she still cant stop her one true nemesis, who has vowed to kill all her friends and family. Of course Laura would be sad. She just realized that she cant stop Kimura herself. And Laura really only depends on herself. When have we seen her ask for help? Never. Elixir had to force her to let him heal her of the Legacy Virus. She'd rather kill herself than to ask him to heal her of it.

I dont think crying is a sign of weakness at all. From anyone. Laura, or anyone else. It means she is finally in touch with some of her humanity. Which is a great thing! She's human. Maybe now she finaly realizes shes human. She realizes she loves her friends and family, and she's scared of Kimura. I think thats alot for her to admit.

We dont know what happens in the next ish. Maybe Laura DOES tell Logan about the dangers of Kimura and how she needs to be taken out. But for now, she's just acknowledged for herself, that Kimura scares her, and that she herself is not capable of stopping her.

[Grunty]

Since when has crying been a sign of weakness? She broke down this once and it is very understandable. It doesn't mean she will start wailing all the time. It just means that she was under a lot when she started crying. I am curious though, why do you think her crying this once makes her a weaker person?

Reminds me to the "Strong Woman can't wear dresses" syndrom which sometimes goes along with strong female characters.

It's that if a woman in fiction is portraid as strong, her fans might start to complain as soon as she shows feminine behavior.

As if these things have to cancel each other out!

It's sad to see that crying either for man or woman is still regarded as such a low and bad thing. If it is, why the hell does our body do it nearly against our will? Because it's a stress release mechanism. If it would be such a bad thing, evolution wouldn't have given it to us.

It's our society which often tell's us it's bad. But it isn't as long as it doesn't stuns us for too long.
Crying and getting your mind back together afterwards is good. Crying and sulking around for months afterwards is not (albeit depending on the situation), i admit that.

By the way some guys on the internet jokingly developed the term "manly tears" for when even a man is allowed to cry.
Just think of what Laura did in this issue as them.

PS: How is the general view on tears of joy again?

[timbox]

Hopefully Agent Morales destroying all of X-23's files means we're done with the Facility for good.

I approve Kyle and Yost's subtle messages in both this issue and their Necrosha issue that the Hellion/X-23 relationship isn't going to happen.

X-23's future is looking much brighter.

[rwsmith]

Me too, but it's ok, is like reading a good mini series and knowing it's going to end at some point. Plus, they knew X-Force will end all along, so I trust them with the conclusion of this series.

X-Force isn't ending when K-Y leave. And, after reading Jason Aaron's 'The List - Wolverine' one-shot, I am now lobbying for him to take over this title and to bring Fantomex with him! Give him Choi and Bachalo as artists (with Crain going over to Uncanny with K-Y hopefully and also keeping Dodson as a rotating artist).

Wolverine, Archangel, Domino, Warpath, Wolfsbane, Fantomex and Psylocke would be my dream line-up. I love X-23, but after this issue I don't see Logan allowing her to remain part of this squad much longer (and rightfully so, as she's just a young girl). Elixir either (and no Elixir, no Vanisher in all likelihood).

[CmX]

X-Force isn't ending when K-Y leave. And, after reading Jason Aaron's 'The List - Wolverine' one-shot, I am now lobbying for him to take over this title and to bring Fantomex with him! Give him Choi and Bachalo as artists (with Crain going over to Uncanny with K-Y hopefully and also keeping Dodson as a rotating artist).

Wolverine, Archangel, Domino, Warpath, Wolfsbane, Fantomex and Psylocke would be my dream line-up. I love X-23, but after this issue I don't see Logan allowing her to remain part of this squad much longer (and rightfully so, as she's just a young girl). Elixir either (and no Elixir, no Vanisher in all likelihood).

That would be perfect but I'd prefer Rahne to rejoint the New Mutants. I know it's been said before but I think X-Force is too much for her, it seems to have taken a toll on her.

[Optic Rage!]

Hopefully Agent Morales destroying all of X-23's files means we're done with the Facility for good.

I approve Kyle and Yost's subtle messages in both this issue and their Necrosha issue that the Hellion/X-23 relationship isn't going to happen.

X-23's future is looking much brighter.

LOL.

Care to enlighten me?

[coconutphone]

Meh. I just don't know enough of/care about Laura. I'm glad the arc is over. Let's see more of the team now aside from the requisite 3 panels of Rahne doing nothing. Nice though that Morales is on her side at least.

Seriously between this and Necrosha her entire storyline was basically her wolf buddy asking for Elxir. This spanned 2 separate comics!

[rwsmith]

That would be perfect but I'd prefer Rahne to rejoint the New Mutants. I know it's been said before but I think X-Force is too much for her, it seems to have taken a toll on her.

Okay. How about replacing her with Magik? She could serve as team teleporter and, like Archangel, transform into a darker version of herself when on X-Force missions (and pull double-duty between this book and New Mutants like Warren does with this and UXM).

Just a thought.

[CmX]

Okay. How about replacing her with Magik? She could serve as team teleporter and, like Archangel, transform into a darker version of herself when on X-Force missions (and pull double-duty between this book and New Mutants like Warren does with this and UXM).

Just a thought.

Yeah I think Magik would be a great addition to X-Force, especially after seeing what she did to all of Legion's personalities w/out remorse or concern for the repercussions.

[Mia]

Hmm, sorry, I agree with RG on this Mia. X-23 is human after all. Wolvie was right. There's only so much crap she can take.

You are a hard, hard woman. :biggrin:

Well I was born in the Chinese year of the dog so that makes me a real….you know… I just can’t help myself!

It meshes well with the Laura who fears for the people she cares dearly about.

And the Laura who fears for people she loves. Doesn’t stand around like a bump on a log crying.


And the thing is, Laura states right there that she feels like there is nothing that she can do to stop Kimura. In this she has lost hope. It is not self-pity. It's despair and frustration.

Sorry but that doesn’t mesh with what’s happened in previous events. In a past issue of New X-Men, (forget the issue #, but it is 4th tpb) when Laura and Julian go to rescue Mercury. Laura tells Julian to put an air bubble in Kimura’s head so that it will cause brain damage to Kimura or make her die. Unfortunately Julian did not do so launching into some high minded argument about the X-Men not killing (which is ironic considering his current behaviour). Laura very well knows that she has options. She knows she can very well go to one of the teams telepaths or telekenetics and ask for help in taking care of Kimura once and for all.

Kimura has not just threatened Laura, she has threatened the X-Men. Laura has responsibility to go to the senior X-Men and report what has happened and to let them know what happened and that there is a potential threat on the horizon. For her to stand around crying and launching into a ‘poor me’ lament when there is danger coming. is highly irresponsible and out of character.


And just because in that one moment she broke down doesn't mean she wouldn't try to do something in the future. But in that one moment in time, she has been through hell. She had her arm chopped off and this one woman who has probably caused her the most pain in the world is threatening all she cares about. I think she is justified in breaking down just this once. She is not any weaker because of it. She is just human.

But I guess I’ll just chalk it up to Laura being exhausted and not thinking straight. Because that is the only way I can justify that scene.

[rwsmith]

Yeah I think Magik would be a great addition to X-Force, especially after seeing what she did to all of Legion's personalities w/out remorse or concern for the repercussions.

Agreed. This would be a sweet new X-Force line-up IMO (especially if brought to you by Jason Aaron and Mike Choi / Chris Bachalo):

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f18/Jackraow21/XForcereloaded2010.png

[The Big G]

Well I was born in the Chinese year of the dog so that makes me a real….you know… I just can’t help myself!

Well...that explains a few things...just kidding mia:tongue:


And the Laura who fears for people she loves. Doesn’t stand around like a bump on a log crying. But I guess I’ll just chalk it up to Laura being exhausted and not thinking straight. Because that is the only way I can justify that scene.

Ofcourse she's exhausted! You go from in the future were your body is eating itself, to back in time to save your freinds then get captured, tied up, taken back the facility, get your arm hacked off, manages to escape, then have the one person who's been screwing with you your entire life say she's gunna kill all those you hold dear to you. Fuck i'd cry too! Let the girl have a moment to cry. Sure its a bad thing if she mopes around and whines but she wont do that.

Sorry but that doesn’t mesh with what’s happened in previous events. In a past issue of New X-Men, (forget the issue #, but it is 4th tpb) when Laura and Julian go to rescue Mercury. Laura tells Julian to put an air bubble in Kimura’s head so that it will cause brain damage to Kimura or make her die. Unfortunately Julian did not do so launching into some high minded argument about the X-Men not killing (which is ironic considering his current behaviour). Laura very well knows that she has options. She knows she can very well go to one of the teams telepaths or telekenetics and ask for help in taking care of Kimura once and for all.Kimura has not just threatened Laura, she has threatened the X-Men. Laura has responsibility to go to the senior X-Men and report what has happened and to let them know what happened and that there is a potential threat on the horizon. For her to stand around crying and launching into a ‘poor me’ lament when there is danger coming. is highly irresponsible and out of character.



It wouldnt be a Mia post if she didnt take a shot at Julian :tongue:

I do agree that Laura has plenty of options. She could talk too any of the X-Men telepaths or telekinetics to get the job done. Hell she could finnaly convince Julian to grow a pair and do what he should have done in Mercury Rising. Which he might do now due to his "angsty angry" humor right now post Utopia, but then again Fraction's Julian shouldnt count in the scope of things

[pharoahe22]

She is more durable than Frenzy I think. X-23 can't cut Kimura but she was able to cut Frenzy. Kimura is basically indestructable I think. She can only be harmed from telekinesis and telepathy.

Also, Kimura can be drowned...I think that's the best way to take her out. Logan will probably think to do that.

[RoguishGurl]

And the Laura who fears for people she loves. Doesn’t stand around like a bump on a log crying.
That's the thing though. She's not going to stand there and just cry her eyes out. We already know from the Necrosha one-shot that once she gets back to Utopia she's ready to go out and fight again. But in that moment in time she felt despair and she didn't know what do to. And she let it show and I am happy that she let it show.


Sorry but that doesn’t mesh with what’s happened in previous events. In a past issue of New X-Men, (forget the issue #, but it is 4th tpb) when Laura and Julian go to rescue Mercury. Laura tells Julian to put an air bubble in Kimura’s head so that it will cause brain damage to Kimura or make her die. Unfortunately Julian did not do so launching into some high minded argument about the X-Men not killing (which is ironic considering his current behaviour). Laura very well knows that she has options. She knows she can very well go to one of the teams telepaths or telekenetics and ask for help in taking care of Kimura once and for all.
When she was with Julian and Mercury she was in an entirely different situation. She hadn't just been tortured like she was in X-Force. And I'm sure if there was a telepath or telekinetic nearby she would have told them to do something.

And look at it this way. Like others have said in earlier posts, Laura is used to doing things by herself. She is used to finding a solution on her own. But since there is nothing that she can do personally it hurts and goes against everything she is.

Kimura has not just threatened Laura, she has threatened the X-Men. Laura has responsibility to go to the senior X-Men and report what has happened and to let them know what happened and that there is a potential threat on the horizon. For her to stand around crying and launching into a ‘poor me’ lament when there is danger coming. is highly irresponsible and out of character.
And who says she's not going to report what happened? She couldn't exactly fly towards the X-Men at the time. She was overcome by emotion and fear. It makes perfect sense that she would break down and cry because she had just reached her breaking point. It shows that she is more than an efficient killer and that she can fear and that she does have weaknesses.

Because she broke down and cried doesn't make her any less efficient at what she does. It makes her human. Crying is something natural and that everyone has to do. Sometimes people can't control it and hold it back. She's not weaker because of it.

[Prodigy55]

crying is for babies, what a girl

[infernohara]

I can tell by Necrosha that X-23 still won't say anything of the situation. This is something she obviously wants to get through on her own now i guess. If she had stayed with New X-men a little longer we may have a Laura that isn't afraid to share things with her teammates.

This is a great time for character development for her.

[Mia]

I can tell by Necrosha that X-23 still won't say anything of the situation. This is something she obviously wants to get through on her own now i guess. If she had stayed with New X-men a little longer we may have a Laura that isn't afraid to share things with her teammates.

This is a great time for character development for her.

You know Laura deciding to keep things to herself, like in issue #10 is one thing.

But this is completely different. Other people's lives are potentially at stake and she knows very well how Kimura can be destroyed. And she knows how much Cyclops wants to protect mutants. So the silence and self-pity are completely OOC. She must know that if people die, because she was too busy feeling sorry for herself and handling her emotions to say anything it, it will all be on her head. Which would be really strange given the fact that she already feels guilty because of the number of people she has killed.

[Ryan W]

Damn, you just KNOW Kimura will keep coming back like a bad slasher movie :biggrin: I'm in love with her. She's totally a new fave lady-villain of mine.

[infernohara]

You know Laura deciding to keep things to herself, like in issue #10 is one thing.

But this is completely different. Other people's lives are potentially at stake and she knows very well how Kimura can be destroyed. And she knows how much Cyclops wants to protect mutants. So the silence and self-pity are completely OOC. She must know that if people die, because she was too busy feeling sorry for herself and handling her emotions to say anything it, it will all be on her head. Which would be really strange given the fact that she already feels guilty because of the number of people she has killed.

So she needs to tell the very person that is also going through the same she is? The one person who also is endangering everyone else's life who maybe endangering mutants himself.

I won't get into that, but who can Laura turn to really?

I've heard she can turn to Julian and telekinetically compress Kimura and whatever, but Julian has betrayed Laura's trust. Sure he didn't initiate the kiss with Surge, but he hasn't talked to Laura at all since. He has been protective on panel with the viewers, but that means nothing to the person he needs to talk on panel with.

Mercury is to soft and would talk Laura outta killing Kimura. This ends the relationships with her age groups she cares about (and forcing her to be friends with pixie for no reason)

We move to Emma who has a love/hate relationship with her and Cyke who probably listens to Emma alot and has a lot on his plate right now to deal with people who may die that isn't a direct threat to the mutant crisis (as we know Megan and all those others mentioned by Kimura are small fries).

Wolverine would probably be the best choice, but she probably just doesn't want to get him involved. Is it selfishness? Maybe. Also maybe Wolverine can't do nothing to Kimura either. Laura is afterall the better fighter and Kimura is a direct counter to that. When you think about Laura (IMO) really doesn't have many people to turn to and ask such a favor. (Killing is afterall not the X-man way)

[chickrockguitar]

So, finally got my issue! (And Necrosha).
Aww, poor Laura!
I was hoping for a little Laura/Logan time at the end, but meh, it didn't happen. Overall, great arc! Awesome! Loved it!
Go team Craig, Chris, Mike, Sonia! :biggrin:

[Mia]

So she needs to tell the very person that is also going through the same she is? The one person who also is endangering everyone else's life who maybe endangering mutants himself.

I won't get into that, but who can Laura turn to really?

I've heard she can turn to Julian and telekinetically compress Kimura and whatever, but Julian has betrayed Laura's trust. Sure he didn't initiate the kiss with Surge, but he hasn't talked to Laura at all since. He has been protective on panel with the viewers, but that means nothing to the person he needs to talk on panel with.

Mercury is to soft and would talk Laura outta killing Kimura. This ends the relationships with her age groups she cares about (and forcing her to be friends with pixie for no reason)

We move to Emma who has a love/hate relationship with her and Cyke who probably listens to Emma alot and has a lot on his plate right now to deal with people who may die that isn't a direct threat to the mutant crisis (as we know Megan and all those others mentioned by Kimura are small fries).

Wolverine would probably be the best choice, but she probably just doesn't want to get him involved. Is it selfishness? Maybe. Also maybe Wolverine can't do nothing to Kimura either. Laura is afterall the better fighter and Kimura is a direct counter to that. When you think about Laura (IMO) really doesn't have many people to turn to and ask such a favor. (Killing is afterall not the X-man way)

:confused: :

[x-23]

I really liked the issue & shield/hammer Agent Morales. I made some avatars from it if anyone is interested:

Catch Me if You Can:
http://i35.tinypic.com/2m4t0z4.jpg

Bright Eyes:
http://i36.tinypic.com/66kqye.jpg

Friendly Fire:
http://i36.tinypic.com/715k6c.jpg

Agent Morales:
http://i36.tinypic.com/2r5q15w.jpg

Cool I chaning my avatar. In friendly fire what are they saying? Got anymore avatars?

[yanapryde]

MAGIK!!! > Vanisher
for team teleporter!

[Marveluted]

So... are we just looking the other way on that whole arm reattachment issue or was that broached in Necrosha?

[Mia]

So... are we just looking the other way on that whole arm reattachment issue or was that broached in Necrosha?

It wasn't re-attached. It's been regrown. Though I suspect it took place after they went back to the compound.

[Blood Witch]

Just picked up and read 20 and necrosha.

Loved Archangel and Warpath together, what a wacky pair.

Interesting how things worked out with X-23. Im glad the shield agent survied (hope to see her again).

I found it curious how X looked at Elixir in Necrosha. Couldnt she ask him to kill Kimura? He has stepped up to help his friends before.

[Marveluted]

It wasn't re-attached. It's been regrown. Though I suspect it took place after they went back to the compound.

I just went to the Wikipedia page for her to verify that she can do that, which she can (and has apparently done so before, though I've since killed any memories of that with alcohol).

I guess it involves shoving her removed claws back into her arm though, which is incredibly grotesque.

[FemGeek]

Meh. I just don't know enough of/care about Laura. I'm glad the arc is over. Let's see more of the team now aside from the requisite 3 panels of Rahne doing nothing. Nice though that Morales is on her side at least.

Seriously between this and Necrosha her entire storyline was basically her wolf buddy asking for Elxir. This spanned 2 separate comics!

Exactely my thoughts, Coconutphone. Rahne has spent far too much time being unconscious or crying, I really wish the writers would either put her to some use or let her join New Mutants. She wasnt even listed as a team member in the Necrosha one-shot.I'd like her to join the team or go to another one, the drawn-out sidelines stuff isnt exciting me.

[x-23]

So what did wovlerine do when he saw Larua or had news that they found Laura? Did they have a sister brothor love thing? What happens to Laura now will she still be on x-force what happens?

[Havok83]

What another amazing issue. What I loved best about this was Wolverine's concern for Laura. She's oen of the few people in his life that he genuinly cares for. I love his relationship with her and how he tries to look out for her and protet her



I also really love Agent Morales. Id love it if she found a role somewhere in the Xbooks. She'd be great working as a liason of sorts with X-force if only they weren't secretly and illegally killing people



Love Magik being used as the team teleporter. That makes one more X-man that knows about X-force. I wouldnt mind seeing her moer

[Havok83]

I just went to the Wikipedia page for her to verify that she can do that, which she can (and has apparently done so before, though I've since killed any memories of that with alcohol).

I guess it involves shoving her removed claws back into her arm though, which is incredibly grotesque.

She cut her hand off in her last mini and then reattached it

[The Big G]

Now that i've actually read issue 20 here are my thoughts:

-Art is beautiful

-Warpath and Archangel should star in their own buddy cop tv show they were that awesome :cool:

-Kimura has reached a new level of psycho bitch! Though we already knew that.

Overall a good issue. Also correct me if im wrong but is this the first tine Kimura called Laura instead of X?


Now for my thoughts on Not Forgotten as a whole: It started off good but then after issue two it kinda sizzled out. It also felt a tad rushed. I think if C&C had issue 17 be a kinda stand alone issue and started Not Forgotten with Issue 18 i think things might have flowed a tad smoother. I was hoping for something a bit more dramatic and jaw dropping event for Laura other than Kimura promising to kill Morales, Megan, and Julian aka " Laura's telekinetic BF"

If C&C happen to read this, great job can't wait for more Necrosha, but i did feel this Arc was a tad rushed. Hope you understand.

[x-23]

Now that i've actually read issue 20 here are my thoughts:

-Art is beautiful

-Warpath and Archangel should star in their own buddy cop tv show they were that awesome :cool:

-Kimura has reached a new level of psycho bitch! Though we already knew that.

Overall a good issue. Also correct me if im wrong but is this the first tine Kimura called Laura instead of X?


Now for my thoughts on Not Forgotten as a whole: It started off good but then after issue two it kinda sizzled out. It also felt a tad rushed. I think if C&C had issue 17 be a kinda stand alone issue and started Not Forgotten with Issue 18 i think things might have flowed a tad smoother. I was hoping for something a bit more dramatic and jaw dropping event for Laura other than Kimura promising to kill Morales, Megan, and Julian aka " Laura's telekinetic BF"

If C&C happen to read this, great job can't wait for more Necrosha, but i did feel this Arc was a tad rushed. Hope you understand.

Why does Kimura calll her Laura and what did Kimura say when she called her Laura?

[The Big G]

Why does Kimura calll her Laura and what did Kimura say when she called her Laura?

During Kimura's radio threat to Laura about killing all people dear to Laura she called her Laura, normally she just calls her X

[x-23]

During Kimura's radio threat to Laura about killing all people dear to Laura she called her Laura, normally she just calls her X

O I feel so sorry for Laura. I want those x-force comcis. So has anyone find scens from x-force 20?

[RickyD410]

O I feel so sorry for Laura. I want those x-force comcis. So has anyone find scens from x-force 20?

I have all the scenes from X-Force 20. They're all in the issue I bought. Why can't you go to the shop to pick it up? There are some pretty reliable online stores you can buy from too.

[x-23]

I have all the scenes from X-Force 20. They're all in the issue I bought. Why can't you go to the shop to pick it up? There are some pretty reliable online stores you can buy from too.

They don't got one in this small town and don't no where there at and don't got a job to get one you have to be 16 and older to get a job.

[Mia]

They don't got one in this small town and don't no where there at and don't got a job to get one you have to be 16 and older to get a job.

Out of curiosity where do you live?

[x-23]

Out of curiosity where do you live?

In KY and my friends said you can't get a job because my friend tryed and they told her she had to 16 to get one.

[chickrockguitar]

I found it curious how X looked at Elixir in Necrosha.What? I didn't see that... Josh wasn't in the issue? Was he? Unless I skipped a page... :confused:

[Perfection/Emma 2]

Poor Laura. Kimura needs to be hanged for the shit she says and does to Laura. Please Kimura go hunt down the Young X-Men that Rogue's is watching over. so Rogue can lay your ass out

[x-23]

Poor Laura. Kimura needs to be hanged for the shit she says and does to Laura. Please Kimura go hunt down the Young X-Men that Rogue's is watching over. so Rogue can lay your ass out

Now that I would read
BYE BYE KIMURA I HOPE YOU BURN IN HELL.:evilsmile: :evilangry: :biggrin: :mad:

[Havok83]

Now that I would read
BYE BYE KIMURA I HOPE YOU BURN IN HELL.:evilsmile: :evilangry: :biggrin: :mad:
I hate that she's indestructible. I wish there were a way to kill her off bc I cant stand her

[The Big G]

I hate that she's indestructible. I wish there were a way to kill her off bc I cant stand her

Julian could have killed her way back in NXM but noooooooooooooooo he had to be the noble hero teaching us that killing people is wrong.

Well guess what J-Man, your number #2 on Kimura's hit list after Megan:eek:

[RickyD410]

I hate that she's indestructible. I wish there were a way to kill her off bc I cant stand her

Well, Laura said her skin is indestructable. I believe all her internal organs are normal. Cus in Mercury Rising, she told Hellion to create a telekinetic bubble inside her brain to kill her.

[Havok83]

Well, Laura said her skin is indestructable. I believe all her internal organs are normal. Cus in Mercury Rising, she told Hellion to create a telekinetic bubble inside her brain to kill her.
If thats the case Im guessing Elixir can give her some cancer like he did to Vanisher

[RickyD410]

If thats the case Im guessing Elixir can give her some cancer like he did to Vanisher

Most likely. But would he? Thats another question. He was not happy about what he did to Vanisher, and I think he has every intention of getting rid of the tumor once X-Force finishes their job.

If it was in a fit of rage or something, similar to Stryker, I can see it happening. But Elixir has been through a lot of emotional stress, and done a lot of thinking, and he doesnt want to use that aspect of his powers again if he doesnt have to.

[Havok83]

Most likely. But would he? Thats another question. He was not happy about what he did to Vanisher, and I think he has every intention of getting rid of the tumor once X-Force finishes their job.

If it was in a fit of rage or something, similar to Stryker, I can see it happening. But Elixir has been through a lot of emotional stress, and done a lot of thinking, and he doesnt want to use that aspect of his powers again if he doesnt have to.
no he wouldnt do that. I just threw that out there as one way to kill her since affecting her insides seems to be the way to go

[x-23]

Julian could have killed her way back in NXM but noooooooooooooooo he had to be the noble hero teaching us that killing people is wrong.

Well guess what J-Man, your number #2 on Kimura's hit list after Megan:eek:

Killing does not solve everything.

[Home made ectoplasm]

Killing does not solve everything.

I agree completely.

[x-23]

I agree completely.
Can killing ever solve anything I mean we have war?

[Prodigy55]

woah, that's deep.

[The Big G]

Killing does not solve everything.

And yet how many people believe killing will solve their problems.

Look at Bishop, he thinks if he kills Hope he'll save the world.

If Julian had killed Kimura, then...well Laura wouldnt have gotten her arm cut off, though someone else could have done it, and Megan's life wouldnt be in danger. If Julian ever found out that it was the Facility and Kimura who captured Laura. I would probably bet he wished he had killed her.

[Hakael]

woah, that's deep.

as great prophets once said... "War... huh... good god ya'll... what is it good for?"

[x-23]

And yet how many people believe killing will solve their problems.

Look at Bishop, he thinks if he kills Hope he'll save the world.

If Julian had killed Kimura, then...well Laura wouldnt have gotten her arm cut off, though someone else could have done it, and Megan's life wouldnt be in danger. If Julian ever found out that it was the Facility and Kimura who captured Laura. I would probably bet he wished he had killed her.

Amen Nice I agree with you.

[The Big G]

as great prophets once said... "War... huh... good god ya'll... what is it good for?"

and this is why i voted you XPOM

[x-23]

as great prophets once said... "War... huh... good god ya'll... what is it good for?"

Yes but what is war for it silve nothing.

[Maestro]

Kimura promising to kill Hellion made me go "YES!!!!!!!!!!!"

[DeadXMan]

as great prophets once said... "War... huh... good god ya'll... what is it good for?"


"Better to fight for something than live for nothing" and "No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country".

[DeadXMan]

Yes but what is war for it silve nothing.

Battle is the most magnificent competition in which a human being can indulge. It brings out all that is best; it removes all that is base. All men are afraid in battle. The coward is the one who lets his fear overcome his sense of duty. Duty is the essence of manhood.

Patton:tongue:

[The Big G]

as great prophets once said... "War... huh... good god ya'll... what is it good for?"

"absolutely nothing, sing it again, you all!"

"It ain't 'you all', it's "y'all"!"

"Yaw".

"Y'all!"

"Yaw!"

"Man you sound like a Karate movie, y'all!"

"Yoll."

[CmX]

Kimura promising to kill Hellion made me go "YES!!!!!!!!!!!"

That'd be great, but don't see it happening.

[pariah-1972]

I like the art but all the females look exactly the same to me and it makes it a little confusing.
Story was good.

[x-23]

That'd be great, but don't see it happening.

Hellion needs to DIE

[x-23]

That'd be great, but don't see it happening.

sorry double post.

[Shadowkurt]

Choi's art is marvelous in every issue. My favorite was the close-up on Laura's face when she burned her arm - it reminded me a lot of that other close-up just before she jumped into the melting pot in #10.

Elixir was seen unconscious in X-Necrosha in one panel when Laura was talking with Wolverine and Nemesis, and she was looking at him in a way as if she was thinking whether he could destroy Kimura.

Speaking of Elixir: given that the whole X-Force story in Necrosha happens after issue #20, it still remains unexplained how Hrimhari knew of Elixir. I think he is not what he seems to be, but whatever it be, he truly seems to care for Rahne.

As for Kimura, I would prefer her to be killed by someone who she wouldn't take serious at all - preferably Megan or her mother, but Morales would do, too. Just how that might happen, I leave to the genius of K-Y.

[Havok83]

Hellion needs to DIE
No he doesnt. He's among the best the New X-men had to offer. Love his connection to Laura and hope they get to interact some more in the future

[chickrockguitar]

Elixir was seen unconscious in X-Necrosha in one panel when Laura was talking with Wolverine and Nemesis, and she was looking at him in a way as if she was thinking whether he could destroy Kimura.I re-read that scene and, yes, I'd missed him before, lol. No idea how.

Haha, I enjoyed that scene.

[The Big G]

No he doesnt. He's among the best the New X-men had to offer. Love his connection to Laura and hope they get to interact some more in the future

/sign

Julian has lots of potential to be a interesting/fun character. Now mind you he hasnt done anything productive since NXM. Plus if you sit down and think about it Julian has almost died or been in a moment where death was certain several times and he's yet to bite it. It obviously means they have something planned for him in the future.

[AcesX1X]

you guys are seriously blood-thirsty.

[chickrockguitar]

Amen to that. :tongue:

Find another X-kid to pick on besdies Hellion and Elixir.

[Blood Witch]

Elixir was seen unconscious in X-Necrosha in one panel when Laura was talking with Wolverine and Nemesis, and she was looking at him in a way as if she was thinking whether he could destroy Kimura.

Speaking of Elixir: given that the whole X-Force story in Necrosha happens after issue #20, it still remains unexplained how Hrimhari knew of Elixir. I think he is not what he seems to be, but whatever it be, he truly seems to care for Rahne.

As for Kimura, I would prefer her to be killed by someone who she wouldn't take serious at all - preferably Megan or her mother, but Morales would do, too. Just how that might happen, I leave to the genius of K-Y.

I agree completely on Elixir (X looking at him), and I can see him killing Kimura and her not taking him seriously at all. I have wondered what personal and probably painful things will happen to Elixir during Necrosha with all his past love interests and current one on the island (hasn't it been said wall flower will show up).
I bet if X asked Elixir he might kill Kimura, especially after Necrosha (and finding out what Kimura said she would do).

As for all the blood, LOVE it!! Part of the reason I read the book. :biggrin:
That and to see what happens to Elixir and Archangel.

[Fatguy]

I thought it was pretty good. But yeah, I'm glad it's over. This arc has been a little TOO Laura centric (Thankfully no Elixir though, so you win some lose some). Needs more Warpath, Archangel, Wolfsbane.

[The Big G]

I thought it was pretty good. But yeah, I'm glad it's over. This arc has been a little TOO Laura centric (Thankfully no Elixir though, so you win some lose some). Needs more Warpath, Archangel, Wolfsbane.

I'd say there was more Wolfsbane than needed. But indeed moar Warpath and Archangel were needed. THose two need their own book:cool: :biggrin:

[Prodigy55]

Needs less Borepath, more Frost Giants.

[DeadXMan]

you guys are seriously blood-thirsty.

KY have made us addicted to beauty of the violence in their books.

.

[The Big G]

KY have made us addicted to beauty of the violence in their books.

.

Indeed. They make violence look so beautiful.

Plus if they decided to kill off a character; that character goes out with a BANG!

[Scavenger]

Seems to me that if Kimura is some kind of problem that needs gotten rid of but they "can't kill her" then the solution was the evil blonde teenage demon sorceress they were using as a taxi service, what with that whole dimension she's the absolute master of and all...

[coveredinbees]

Illyana should teleport her head off.

[Blood Witch]

I'd say there was more Wolfsbane than needed. But indeed moar Warpath and Archangel were needed. THose two need their own book:cool: :biggrin:

Seconded, Warpath and Archangel have some interesting chemistry. Loved how they interacted. :biggrin:

[Scavenger]

Illyana should teleport her head off.

Or just drop her off in Limbo to feed her pets.

[The Big G]

Seconded, Warpath and Archangel have some interesting chemistry. Loved how they interacted. :biggrin:

Archangel the rich boy and Warpath the poor boy who lived on the reservation in a trailer....i smell a sit com!

[DeadXMan]

air it after Rorschach and deadpool and we'll at lest enough for syndication

[Scavenger]

air it after Rorschach and deadpool and we'll at lest enough for syndication

My thought exactly!

[samhalliwell]

This was amazing. The hyper-violence wasn't any less jarring than the time we first saw the severed arm, but at least it was expected.

I was dissapointed that Choi/Oback were moved from Uncanny, but after reading what Fraction's done and what they've done in X-Force, I can say I am pleased to have been wrong.

Also, poor Laura :frown:

[Raptor]

Domino didn't slap the Couscous or shoot Agent Morales in the face - I was disappointed.

Choi has always done a beautiful enraged X-23 and this issue is no exception.

Agreed on all counts


What does Kimura say to make Laura cry?

"Next time the chainsaw does a full cavity search."

[DeadXMan]

Domino didn't slap the Couscous or shoot Agent Morales in the face - I was disappointed.

Choi has always done a beautiful enraged X-23 and this issue is no exception.

physical scars fade, but mental ones last forever.:wink:

[Sunspot9224]

replace Wolverine with Deadpool, now it's perfect

[mightiest_mortal]

Another awesome issue. Necroshas shaping up pretty damned well too.


Kyle, Yost and Choi have all GOT to move to one of the main X-Titles when their X-Force run is over surely?

Theyve said Uncanny is their dream job, Marvel would be nuts not to give it to them when Faction finishes.

[x-23]

I really liked the issue & shield/hammer Agent Morales. I made some avatars from it if anyone is interested:

Catch Me if You Can:
http://i35.tinypic.com/2m4t0z4.jpg

Bright Eyes:
http://i36.tinypic.com/66kqye.jpg

Friendly Fire:
http://i36.tinypic.com/715k6c.jpg

Agent Morales:
http://i36.tinypic.com/2r5q15w.jpg

In away Agent Morales looks like Kimurs.

[x-23]

Bright Eyes:
http://i36.tinypic.com/66kqye.jpg


X-23 looks like she's going to cry.

[streator]

just read this & issue 19... both were okay, but i was expecting something little better to end the arc.

my favorite parts were the domino/wolverine and warpath/archangel scenes.

i don't know how i feel about x-23. sometimes i think she's okay and other times i think she's kind of annoying. it seems like they're setting her up for eventual failure; her ever being "normal" seems impossible, which i think x-23 believes as well.

[x-23]

just read this & issue 19... both were okay, but i was expecting something little better to end the arc.

my favorite parts were the domino/wolverine and warpath/archangel scenes.

i don't know how i feel about x-23. sometimes i think she's okay and other times i think she's kind of annoying. it seems like they're setting her up for eventual failure; her ever being "normal" seems impossible, which i think x-23 believes as well.

Well sometimes I think X-23 is okay sometimes I think she's got some mental issues. Also I do agree with the normal thing you said. But at least she can do is try. I mean it's like saying I'm going to fail this mission so why try. You know.