NECROSHA #1 - Review and SPOILERS

[Jake V]

The issue is really three stories: one main one and two backups, each by the writers of X-Force, New Mutants, and X-Men Legacy. For X-Force fans, the artist is Clayton Crain, so its like getting two issues of X-Force in one week.

Already this is shaping up to be miles better than Utopia. There are some big similarities between the two stories, such as a large cast of both heroes and villains, but the biggest difference is in while Utopia focused mainly on Norman Osborn and Cyclops, with the other characters existing only in supporting roles, there are no central characters here, with the focus split evenly, giving each character a moment to be the lead. You can tell right off the bat how accustomed to writing a team book K&Y are, as they seem to juggle a huge cast with ease. Wells and Carey focus their stories on individual characters, but Cypher and Destiny haven't had much of a focus on them in the past, so its really an opportunity to flesh out these characters and their new status quo as the undead slaves of Selene.

Of course, Selene is the main villain. Anyone who’s been reading X-Force has seen the slow build of Selene's plans to appropriate Bastion’s techno-organic virus to resurrect dead mutants as her slaves. Her first order of business seems to be revenge against everyone who has betrayed her or thwarted her plans, namely Sebastian Shaw and the X-Men. In addition to Cypher and Destiny, her undead army includes mutants like the Blink from the regular Marvel universe, Wither, Senyaka of the Acolytes, The Hellions, Pyro, Caliban and the original Thunderbird John Proudstar.

In her approach to the Utopia on the floating Asteroid M, she first takes out Danger, the warden of Cyclops’ mutant prison, and sends Henry Leland and Shinobi Shaw to confront Sebastian Shaw, which (subplot!) alerts Bastion, viewing via Donald Pierce’s eyes, that someone else is in control of his mutant resurrecting technology.

Back in the X-infirmary, (SPOILERS FOR X-FORCE #20) X-23 is recovering from having her arm cut off by nearly completely growing a new arm, which she wants her claws put back in. In another comparison to Uncanny, the guy in the white suit who I assume to be Doctor Nemesis does more to get me interested in who he is than all his appearances in Uncanny X-Men to date. This is how you write these characters. Before things can get too interesting though, Wolverine and X-23 sense that something is wrong, and there are intruders. These intruders are the Hellions, who are really pissed at Emma for letting them die. Seeing them sends her into what looks like a psychotic break. Really subtly, the Hellions give the X-Men and the readers some important information. First, they let the X-Men know that Selene is in charge of them, and they let the readers know that they can’t be killed by Wolverine stabbing one of them through the chest with no effect. Wolverine gets blasted away, leaving Cyclops and Domino to deal with Tarot, who appears to have summoned the grim reaper…

Outside, Warpath and Archangel are transporting Wolfsbane and Hrimharl back from their fight with the frost giants of Asgard (this would make perfect sense if you were reading X-Force) Their plane gets shot down but Warpath and Archangel fly on the own to Utopia and are confronted by PYRO and Berserker in one of the coolest looking splash pages I’ve seen in a long time.

Finally, at the end, we find out Selenes real plan as she lands at Hammer Bay, Genosha. A graveyard of 16 million mutants.

This story is an example of a crossover done right. Carefully balancing all the characters and all the differing plots into a whole that is more than the sum of its parts. As usual, Clayton Crain’s art is both amazing in looks and storytelling. The image of Genosha in particular is haunting. Though also as usual, his art has a tendency to get a little too dark and murky, but that’s not really a problem here.

The two back up stories are well done as well. The Cypher story especially. Special praise goes to the letterer (letterist?) for the cool binary narrative boxes that Cypher interprets the world through. His is a simple story where he leads the Hellions through the X-Men’s security in order to get inside Utopia I’ve never seen the artists work before, but Ibraim Robertson is definitely someone to watch out for in the future.

Finally is Mike Carey and Lawrence Campbell’s Destiny story. Campbell’s art is like a mix of Jean Paul Leon and David Aja, so you know it looks good. Destiny is in Selene’s jail, unable to get a clear vision of the future due to the time she spent being dead, but while she’s there she sends her astral form to visit Blindfold, who she calls her daughter. She gives Blindfold a message that the reader can’t read, and then returns to her body, but when she gets back, she believes she made a mistake. I’m assuming that Destiny’s involvement in this story all but guarantees that Mystique will show up too.

All in all, this is an incredible way to start off such an ambitious story. I hope that this leads to K&Y being further involved with the X-books, because they really seem to know what to do with these characters.

[GambitXRemy]

Blindfold is destiny's kid....WTF

[GambitXRemy]

Blindfold is destiny's kid....WTF

[GambitXRemy]

Blindfold is destiny's kid....WTF

[nightw1ng]

this sounds sooo awesome. besides knowing how to write an ensemble cast, kyle & yost also know how to write amazing stories that still acknowledge the vast history of the x-men. it's funny how their stuff makes me like other people's work less (i.e. fraction). i really hope one day they'll be writing uncanny x-men.

[Moira Brandon]

Sounds really a great great saga!! I dont think Blindford is destiny's daughter...perhaps a descendent, a grandaughter....but love the idea to be connected...it makes sense :)

[yanapryde]

How the crap did Jake V GET this issue already?
I mean, its 230 in the morning here in the Mid West and he's in Southern California which puts him a few hours BEHIND us.
Time Traveler???

[Moira Brandon]

Sounds really a great great saga!! I dont think Blindford is destiny's daughter...perhaps a descendent, a grandaughter....but love the idea to be connected...it makes sense :)

[Moira Brandon]

Sounds really a great great saga!! I dont think Blindford is destiny's daughter...perhaps a descendent, a grandaughter....but love the idea to be connected...it makes sense :)

[Moira Brandon]

Sounds really a great great saga!! I dont think Blindford is destiny's daughter...perhaps a descendent, a grandaughter....but love the idea to be connected...it makes sense :)

[Moira Brandon]

Sounds really a great great saga!! I dont think Blindford is destiny's daughter...perhaps a descendent, a grandaughter....but love the idea to be connected...it makes sense :)

[Jake V]

How the crap did Jake V GET this issue already?
I mean, its 230 in the morning here in the Mid West and he's in Southern California which puts him a few hours BEHIND us.
Time Traveler???
Retailers very often get individual issues a week early.

[ZNOP]

Blindfold is destiny's kid....WTF

I like the idea. Although, the age difference makes it a bit difficult to swallow.

[Justin K.]

OMG! Tarot!!!!! <3
Now I definitely can't wait to buy this!!!

[Jake V]

Sorry, I should have been more clear. Its implied at the end, after Destiny returns to her own body that she made a mistake and in her confusion, possibly visited the wrong person.

[contramundi]

is this how they will bring back the dead mutant population??it would be odd.."so how are you..im a zombie..."
a temporary thing perhaps?

[Justin K.]

Sorry, I should have been more clear. Its implied at the end, after Destiny returns to her own body that she made a mistake and in her confusion, possibly visited the wrong person.

More reason for Mystique to be included. It would be nice to see her reaction to all this. Screw Dark X-men!

[Jake V]

is this how they will bring back the dead mutant population??it would be odd.."so how are you..im a zombie..."
a temporary thing perhaps?
They don't look like zombies. They're aware that they're dead, and aware that they can't be killed again, and they retain much of their old personality, aside from a complete loyalty to Selene. Except for Destiny, who is just begging Selene to free her.

[Azure]

Sounds like Kyle and Yost should take over writing every single X-Men book simultaneously?

[Leirus]

Sounds like Kyle and Yost should take over writing every single X-Men book simultaneously?

In two years they will be all dead. Balance them with Carey, I say...

[Puunk]

I really want to see that splash page you mentioned, Jake V.

So only Berseker returned? No Scaleface?

And yay for Crain!

[Home made ectoplasm]

In her approach to the Utopia on the floating Asteroid M, she first takes out Danger, the warden of Cyclops’ mutant prison, and sends Henry Leland and Shinobi Shaw to confront Sebastian Shaw, which (subplot!) alerts Bastion, viewing via Donald Pierce’s eyes, that someone else is in control of his mutant resurrecting technology.

Harry Leland is back? Excellent.

[Jack Flash]

I am going to have to buy this. Harry Leland's ginger hairy chest is calling to me!

AND Berzerker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! aggh! it's like this book was written specifically for me. Did Roulette get any airplay? She's the very best Hellion.

[frog]

I am looking forward to Emma's psychotic break!

Carey writing Blindfold - hurrah!


Is Beast missing, then?

[Pro]

I'm kinda expecting Warlock to clean up some of the dead mutants, leaving only their fleshy bits and none of the technostuff, laving them alive and out of Selene's control. At the least Doug.

[Home made ectoplasm]

I'm kinda expecting Warlock to clean up some of the dead mutants, leaving only their fleshy bits and none of the technostuff, laving them alive and out of Selene's control. At the least Doug.

Oh yeah, now you've mentioned it that seems an obvious way to leave folk alive at the end of this. Leland first, please.

[Leirus]

I'm kinda expecting Warlock to clean up some of the dead mutants, leaving only their fleshy bits and none of the technostuff, laving them alive and out of Selene's control. At the least Doug.

Well, in Anihilation it was shown that he was able to clean the TO infection. The problem is... if you clean a TO infected dead mutant, you get a dead mutant or an alive one?

And, by the way, Genosha is not a Graveyard of 16 million mutants. It was stated in Endangered Species that even the dead mutants had lost their x-gene... so it is a graveyard of some mutants and a lot of depowered mutants...

[Jack Flash]

Oh yeah, now you've mentioned it that seems an obvious way to leave folk alive at the end of this. Leland first, please.

Berzerker next!

[Talisman]

I wonder if we're going to get Friedrich Von Roehm in this? Oh, please please please bring him back, K&Y!!!!!! I will love you ever so much if you do!!!!

[Home made ectoplasm]

I wonder if we're going to get Friedrich Von Roehm in this? Oh, please please please bring him back, K&Y!!!!!! I will love you ever so much if you do!!!!

I agree completely :cool: :biggrin: :cool: :biggrin:

[jarrod]

Wait... when did Shinobi die? :(

[Moira Brandon]

He is not dead, he is a prisoner of th X-men

[Vivica Kang]

This sounds good! Fraction better take notes from these 3!

[Talisman]

Wait... when did Shinobi die? :(

He didn't. Selene is using him as the resident bottom for the others to come dump in him.

[Prodigy55]

Screw Genosha, Salem Centre Cemetary is where to find the real deal!

[BBeeryan]

This sounds awesome. I'm willing to purchase this, even with the lack of Ororo.

[darknessatnoon]

He is not dead, he is a prisoner of th X-men

You're confusing Empath with Shinobi.

Anyway, if Doug Ramsey hadn't been in it, I'd give this book 10 stars. They are making an active effort to return the X-Men's enemies to greatness, after they'd been depleted by the 90s and by Decimation. If even half these guys remain active, then the franchise walks out of this in a much better place.

[AcesX1X]

can someone who knows tell me when shinobi was killed? he was a member of the 198 last i heard of him.

this sounds like an exciting issue. i have always loved blindfold - it's a real treat to see her interacting with the legendary destiny herself!

[Home made ectoplasm]

The return of the classic Hellfire Club baddies makes me think we will have to get Sage back in the mix soon.

[darknessatnoon]

Just assume that he and Tarot died off-panel again. Someone will come in and tell that story later. Stop nit-picking. The real problem is them resurrecting the most boring character ever.

[yanapryde]

You're confusing Empath with Shinobi.

Anyway, if Doug Ramsey hadn't been in it, I'd give this book 10 stars. They are making an active effort to return the X-Men's enemies to greatness, after they'd been depleted by the 90s and by Decimation. If even half these guys remain active, then the franchise walks out of this in a much better place.

You're right.
With Doug Ramsey, this book gets 11 stars.:smile:

[Nyssane]

He didn't. Selene is using him as the resident bottom for the others to come dump in him.

I really hope they don't kill off the Kleinstocks behind the scenes like they did Shinobi for the "dead Acolytes squad" the solicits mentioned. Last we saw Shinobi, he was alive and well. It makes no sense for him to be dead now, especially since he was one of the 198. What, did Sebastian Shaw suddenly decide in the past year (if even that in comic time) to find and kill his son?

[darknessatnoon]

You're right.
With Doug Ramsey, this book gets 11 stars.:smile:

It's about 15 years too late for a Doug comeback to have any emotional resonance, even if Fraction "foreshadows" it with an anvil by having the New Mutants toast him in a bar.

[Novaya Havoc]

OMG 1HR and 45MINS UNTIL I CAN GET THIS FOR LOIS LONDON DAY AND SCAN EVERY SINGLE LOIS PANEL <33333

[Talisman]

I really hope they don't kill off the Kleinstocks behind the scenes like they did Shinobi for the "dead Acolytes squad" the solicits mentioned. Last we saw Shinobi, he was alive and well. It makes no sense for him to be dead now, especially since he was one of the 198. What, did Sebastian Shaw suddenly decide in the past year (if even that in comic time) to find and kill his son?
That'd be lame. I really hope they do something with Shinobi after this is done. Hell, Selene just needs to resurrect Andrea, Siena and the rest of the Upstarts and there's another team of villains to play with.

[Nyssane]

Undead Upstarts would be so rad.

[darknessatnoon]

I think the point is that Shinobi is now active and appearing again, and I suspect that's going to be a permanent state of affairs. I don't understand why you would complain about that.

[AcesX1X]

i always thought shinobi was a great character. i'm looking forward to reading about him here.

who was the scariest zombie so far?

[darknessatnoon]

i always thought shinobi was a great character. i'm looking forward to reading about him here.

who was the scariest zombie so far?

I'd say it was Leland. He actually did threaten everyone there, plus he even long-distance intimidated Bastion who thought he'd killed him.

[Prodigy55]

Oh boy, I hope the New Hellions reform to kill that traitor Magma.

[Novaya Havoc]

Tarot <33333333

Her being dead </3

But Tarot <3333333333

[darknessatnoon]

Leland should seek out Tessa and Storm for vengeance. The least they could have done was some mouth-to-mouth and a few chest compressions for appearance's sake.

[Talisman]

Is Roulette and Jetstream back as well? Please say yes!!!!!!

[Talisman]

Leland should seek out Tessa and Storm for vengeance. The least they could have done was some mouth-to-mouth and a few chest compressions for appearance's sake.
He might have just ate, and they didn't want to get any backwash.

[Home made ectoplasm]

I'd say it was Leland. He actually did threaten everyone there, plus he even long-distance intimidated Bastion who thought he'd killed him.

Cannot wait to see Leland, he sounds badass in this. Good to see him get some more character development

[yanapryde]

Oh boy, I hope the New Hellions reform to kill that traitor Magma.

Wait'll you see New Mutants 6!
Amara's already been targeted for termination by a certain someone....

[skids]

WTF!!!!
Scans of the hellions pleeeeeease especially Tarot...
i have to wait until next monday to read(is the day that bring the usa comics to spain)
pleaseeee i had waiting to see the return of the hellions more than 15 years !!
thanx!!!!

[XaviersMisprint]

Oh boy, I hope the New Hellions reform to kill that traitor Magma.

No. :(

101010

[chickrockguitar]

Hasn't anyone read X-Force #20 yet?! :wink: :biggrin:

[The Big G]

Hasn't anyone read X-Force #20 yet?! :wink: :biggrin:

my thoughts exactly!

[Kid Icarus]

Doesn't Desinty say on the next panel that she isn't actually Blindfold's mother?

Blindfold: I think-you have come to the wrong room
Destiny: Have I?
Blindfold; My mother is dead.
Destiny: So am I, must admit..I am not where I thought I was. And you're not who I expected to find here.

I thought that was alluding to the fact that Irene was looking for Rogue?

[darknessatnoon]

Doesn't Desinty say on the next panel that she isn't actually Blindfold's mother?

Blindfold: I think-you have come to the wrong room
Destiny: Have I?
Blindfold; My mother is dead.
Destiny: So am I, must admit..I am not where I thought I was. And you're not who I expected to find here.

I thought that was alluding to the fact that Irene was looking for Rogue?

No. Destiny is just admitting that she's dead.

[Swashbuckler]

No. Destiny is just admitting that she's dead.

I think I agree wtih Kid Icarus here. I don't think she's supposed to be Destiny's daughter.

[darknessatnoon]

I think I agree wtih Kid Icarus here. I don't think she's supposed to be Destiny's daughter.

I simply think Destiny didn't know about Blindfold. Now don't ask me how she could have had a kid at age 90 or how she can have a kid and forget about it. Either way, there's some kind of relation between them being made clear.

[XaviersMisprint]

Kyle & Yost are capable writers. Would a scene like that be thrown in there for no reason? Seems like it just adds confusion and speculation. I doubt it is intended to mean nothing, otherwise they would have substituted Blindfold for Loa or Indra or whoever.

[Talisman]

I simply think Destiny didn't know about Blindfold. Now don't ask me how she could have had a kid at age 90 or how she can have a kid and forget about it. Either way, there's some kind of relation between them being made clear.
Maybe she invitroed that shit. Maybe it's one of Raven's eggs, but she didn't want to carry her, so she gave her to Irene.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/18/elizabeth-adeney-66-year_n_204717.html

[Home made ectoplasm]

Kyle & Yost are capable writers. Would a scene like that be thrown in there for no reason? Seems like it just adds confusion and speculation. I doubt it is intended to mean nothing, otherwise they would have substituted Blindfold for Loa or Indra or whoever.

I don't think anyone was arguing it was intended to mean nothing

[quillero]

Destiny thought she reached Rogue. That's why she said daughter.

And I'm pretty sure the mistake part was that Selene's control made her set up a trap.

[XaviersMisprint]

I don't think anyone was arguing it was intended to mean nothing

Then I simply misread.

[yanapryde]

Doesn't Desinty say on the next panel that she isn't actually Blindfold's mother?

Blindfold: I think-you have come to the wrong room
Destiny: Have I?
Blindfold; My mother is dead.
Destiny: So am I, must admit..I am not where I thought I was. And you're not who I expected to find here.

I thought that was alluding to the fact that Irene was looking for Rogue?

This was my interpretation as well.
WELL SPOTTED!:smile:

[Swashbuckler]

Destiny thought she reached Rogue. That's why she said daughter.

And I'm pretty sure the mistake part was that Selene's control made her set up a trap.

I agree with this. Though the nature of Blindfold's powers and Destiny's powers may be connected somehow.

[Talisman]

I agree with this. Though the nature of Blindfold's powers and Destiny's powers may be connected somehow.

I could see a granddaughter perhaps.

Whatever happened to her grandson who was introduced in Mackie/Matsuda's run on X-Factor?

[Pach!]

Kyle & Yost are capable writers. Would a scene like that be thrown in there for no reason? Seems like it just adds confusion and speculation. I doubt it is intended to mean nothing, otherwise they would have substituted Blindfold for Loa or Indra or whoever.

Kyle and Yost did not write that scene. It was Carey.

I don't think they are related..

[darknessatnoon]

Destiny thought she reached Rogue. That's why she said daughter.

And I'm pretty sure the mistake part was that Selene's control made her set up a trap.

That's a pretty contrived trap, and Selene hasn't actually done anything you'd consider "smart" in that way. She's been fairly straightforward. I don't buy it, quillero.

[XaviersMisprint]

Kyle and Yost did not write that scene. It was Carey.

I don't think they are related..

Oh! Carey is just as capable, but whatever.

[Home made ectoplasm]

Whatever, Pach!

[XaviersMisprint]

Whatever, Pach!

No, not in that tone.

[quillero]

That's a pretty contrived trap, and Selene hasn't actually done anything you'd consider "smart" in that way. She's been fairly straightforward. I don't buy it, quillero.

I didn't think Selene planned it, I thought that her control prevents Destiny from betraying her, so she gives Blindfold wrong info. That was my take, at least.

And I also think that the connection between her powers was what drove her to Blindfold. No blood relation.

[Daniel Mengsk]

I didn't think Selene planned it, I thought that her control prevents Destiny from betraying her, so she gives Blindfold wrong info. That was my take, at least.

Destiny can see probable futures, so she can pick and choose which one she wants to interpret.

[Ryan W]

I'm pretty sure that was Empath, not Shinobi?

[protogarrett]

Tarot = yay.

But... last I saw she was just depowered. Not dead. Guess she was killed off panel at some point.

[darknessatnoon]

I'm pretty sure that was Empath, not Shinobi?

Empath and Shinobi were both there.

[AcesX1X]

Tarot = yay.

But... last I saw she was just depowered. Not dead. Guess she was killed off panel at some point.

when did you ever see her depowered?

[Ryan W]

Wasn't it in that issue of New Avengers with the long-ass list of de-powered folks?

Although in her subsequent appearances after the death of the Hellions, I always got the feeling she wasn't quite "alive" anyway so much as being propped up by King Bedlam.

[AcesX1X]

like a ghost, she'll be gone.

[TJKernan]

I could see a granddaughter perhaps.

Whatever happened to her grandson who was introduced in Mackie/Matsuda's run on X-Factor?

They have just kinda forgot about that kid, much like they forgot about everything that happened on that underappreciated run (remember Forge and Mystique are destine to be together...)

[protogarrett]

Wasn't it in that issue of New Avengers with the long-ass list of de-powered folks?

Although in her subsequent appearances after the death of the Hellions, I always got the feeling she wasn't quite "alive" anyway so much as being propped up by King Bedlam.

Seems to make sense:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarot_(comics)

Guess at some point her ressurrection just wore off in the last few years.

[Ryan W]

Seems to make sense:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarot_(comics)

Guess at some point her ressurrection just wore off in the last few years.

One could surmise that when the Mutant Decimation happened and King lost his powers, she returned to her natural state of being dead (no longer animated by him). With this explanation, her presence amongst the dead Hellions fits like a glove.

So, Warpath flew, eh?

[baltiroo]

Harry Leland is back? Excellent.

Very happy about this too!

[skids]

scans of the hellions please!!!!!

[AcesX1X]

did anyone see petra and sway yet?

[Talisman]

scans of the hellions please!!!!!

If I had a scanner, I'd totally scan em for you, cuz they look totally effing amazing in this!

[Jake V]

Various scans for those who asked for them.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/IantistarI/hellions.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/IantistarI/pyro.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/IantistarI/tarot.jpg

[Home made ectoplasm]

Various scans for those who asked for them.

OK, thats 3 pages of scans. IIRC that is the maximum amount we are allowed to post for a new comic. So no further scans or scan requests please.

Which is a pisser, cos I wanted to see Lelend, but I guess I'll have to wait until I can pick up the comic tomorrow.

[Jake V]

OK, thats 3 pages of scans. IIRC that is the maximum amount we are allowed to post for a new comic. So no further scans or scan requests please.

Which is a pisser, cos I wanted to see Lelend, but I guess I'll have to wait until I can pick up the comic tomorrow.
Everyone wanted to see the hellions!

[Vivica Kang]

Various scans for those who asked for them.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/IantistarI/hellions.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/IantistarI/pyro.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/IantistarI/tarot.jpg

Beatiful! Emma is getting a rude awaking!!! And im glad to see Tarot get her hands in the fun!

[skids]

thanx talisman, did appear catseye in her human form??

[skids]

Omg!!!!!! Thank You Sooooooo Much Vivica!!!!!

[Anna]

Just a guess but Shinobi's probably been hiding under a rock since he learned that Daddy was alive and anxious to see him again. Selene just dug him out.

If Selene's headed for Genosha, will we see Neggie again?

[Talisman]

Where the hell is Roulette???? Unless that's her on the far right, but she doesn't have blonde hair, so I'm having a hard time reading it.

[Novaya Havoc]

WALL O' MORTIS / LOIS LONDON
~ crappy work scanner is crappy, soz ~

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/havoc1/Dazzler/MORTIS.png

[AcesX1X]

If Selene's headed for Genosha, will we see Neggie again?

what's a neggie, anna?

[Talisman]

WALL O' MORTIS / LOIS LONDON
~ crappy work scanner is crappy, soz ~

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/havoc1/Dazzler/MORTIS.png

!!!<3<3~<3!!!!~

[Home made ectoplasm]

So what is the next comic this storyline continues in and how long do we have to wait?

[streator]

looks interesting... i can't remember if i pre-ordered this or not though. did it originally have a different title? hmm.

[Leirus]

So what is the next comic this storyline continues in and how long do we have to wait?

I would guess X-Force?

[Jake V]

So what is the next comic this storyline continues in and how long do we have to wait?
The next part is X-Force #21.

[quillero]

So what is the next comic this storyline continues in and how long do we have to wait?

X Force 21. Two weeks

[Home made ectoplasm]

I would guess X-Force?

I thought X Force is before this? (The one that is also out today)

Edit thanks G & JV

[Roo]

man that Catseye is well creepy looking. Brilliant

[Jake V]

I thought X Force is before this? (The one that is also out today)
Yeah, this story takes place right after this weeks X-Force #20.

[Optic Rage!]

Fantastic issue, the art was outstanding, especially those pages of Pyro and Tarot using their powers.

I hope they Hellions stick around after this, always thought they were cooler then the New Mutants. Also, i don't see the problem with Shinobi being dead? Shaw says in this very issue that he killed him. Does it really matter if it happend of panel? At least he's being used.

[Novaya Havoc]

Tarot is my favorite Hellion. I dunno why, esp since her power is pretty weird and kind of obnox.

[Dr-Strange]

If Pyro walks away from this I hope they remember his pre-death character development.

[streator]

looks interesting... i can't remember if i pre-ordered this or not though. did it originally have a different title? hmm.

i don't think i got this; is this technically part 1 of the necrosha story or just a general lead-in issue?

[TJKernan]

If Pyro walks away from this I hope they remember his pre-death character development.

I couldn't agree more.
I always liked him, but his development after he got the virus was really good. The stuff on Empyrean's island (whatever happened to THAT guy?) with Avalanche was poignant and his stuff with Mystique and Senator Kelly afterwards was great.

I hope his sticks around and gets on a team with Avalanche and Mystique-a post Dark Avengers Freedom Force or something...

[Jake V]

Guggenheim/Ramos greatness.

That may be the worst combination of script/art ever collected in an x-related title.
yes, but if wolverine wore heels, I'm sure you'd love it.

[Home made ectoplasm]

listen you, i don't know what your game is but its been canon since her introduction that x-23's healing factor is stronger than wolverine's because he is plagued by all that adamantium. and anyway, deadpool's healing factor is not even natural...comes from the same weapon x who copied it off of wolverine....so i don't even know why you would bring him up.
...
Hey, Aces.

[Leirus]

I'm not knocking it, I just didn't know it was possible. In Guggenheim's defense, Wolverine did have something for the tissue to grow over top of, not just an empty cavity. but if this is the diredction the writers want to take her more power to them. I've enjoyed the current arc quite a bit!

I, for one, have no problem with it. to be honest, when I saw her taking the adamantium out of her "old" arm, I thought she knew she was going to regrow it... What I like about it is that it is shown that she needs time to regrow it, and its a somewhat taxing process, not the insta-healing Wolverine had in the 90´es

[AcesX1X]

...
Hey, Aces.

hey hey jau.

[Optic Rage!]

listen you, i don't know what your game is but its been canon since her introduction that x-23's healing factor is stronger than wolverine's because he is plagued by all that adamantium. and anyway, deadpool's healing factor is not even natural...comes from the same weapon x who copied it off of wolverine....so i don't even know why you would bring him up.

**Throws paper ball @ Aces**

Anyways, has no one done an X-Force review thread yet? Whit should do it later.

[Pixie_Solanas]

yes, but if wolverine wore heels, I'm sure you'd love it.

No, Wolverine's stupid little air helmet as he descended to Namor-land was fetishy enough for my tastes.

Truly an insulting run, at any level.

[ProfeZZor X]

The same Wolverine rule applies. Like Wolverine, if she was decapitated, her head would need to be moved far enough away from the body to prevent the healing factor from trying to reattach it.

So what, is her head just going to grow legs and walk over to reattach itself? Unless she has some assistance from someone putting them together, I don't see how it's possible.

http://www.starstore.com/acatalog/thing-spiderhead-statue-e.jpg

Unless her head or body bleeds out into the direction of where the head is, and the blood turns into tissue - pulling both head and body together... That would probably make more logical sense.

[Jake V]

So what, is her head just going to grow legs and walk over to reattach itself? Unless she has some assistance from someone putting them together, I don't see how it's possible.

http://www.starstore.com/acatalog/thing-spiderhead-statue-e.jpg

Unless her head or body bleeds out into the direction of where the head is, and the blood turns into tissue - pulling both head and bodo together... That would probably make more logical sense.
They're Xavier's protocols, not mine. I don't know how its supposed to work.

[darknessatnoon]

She burnt her arm so there's no risk of a second body growing out of it.

They're Xavier's protocols, not mine. I don't know how its supposed to work.

FYI, in X-Treme X-Men, Sage posits that Vargas is the living incarnation of the Protocols. He knows how to kill X-23.

[ProfeZZor X]

They're Xavier's protocols, not mine. I don't know how its supposed to work.

Actually, its a bit different than what you described. It's suppose to be separating the two halves of Wolverine's brain, and placing them on opposite sides of the world.... Even so, that's a ridiculous way to make sure he's dead. Wouldn't it be better to just jetison him into space and leave him to die?

[Leirus]

So what, is her head just going to grow legs and walk over to reattach itself? Unless she has some assistance from someone putting them together, I don't see how it's possible.

http://www.starstore.com/acatalog/thing-spiderhead-statue-e.jpg

Unless her head or body bleeds out into the direction of where the head is, and the blood turns into tissue - pulling both head and body together... That would probably make more logical sense.

You have given the answer yourself. That is why the head should be moved far...

[Jake V]

Actually, its a bit different than what you described. It's suppose to be separating the two halves of Wolverine's brain, and placing them on opposite sides of the world.... Even so, that's a ridiculous way to make sure he's dead. Wouldn't it be better to just jetison him into space and leave him to die?
How does any of that have anything to do with what I said? You've been on this board this long and you still havent figured out how to have a point yet?

[Leirus]

Actually, its a bit different than what you described. It's suppose to be separating the two halves of Wolverine's brain, and placing them on opposite sides of the world.... Even so, that's a ridiculous way to make sure he's dead. Wouldn't it be better to just jetison him into space and leave him to die?

What? Where this thing about the brain halves comes from? It looks like something a Fanboy would write...

And why on earth are we talking about this in the thread about an issue where the Hellions and Pyro have come back at last ????

[darknessatnoon]

What? Where this thing about the brain halves comes from? It looks like something a Fanboy would write...

And why on earth are we talking about this in the thread about an issue where the Hellions and Pyro have come back at last ????

Because if he's good at one thing, this guy excels at derailing a C&C review thread.

[Filthy Mutie]

Let's talk about Lois London, AKA Mortis. Not only does she celebrate CBR's X-Forums, but she's likely a big part of this giant, amazing crossover by the talent Chris Yost and Craig Kyle.

Also, she's in this book.

The book this thread is about.

[Daniel Mengsk]

Mortis is such a sycophant.

[Novaya Havoc]

Let's talk about Lois London, AKA Mortis. Not only does she celebrate CBR's X-Forums, but she's likely a big part of this giant, amazing crossover by the talent Chris Yost and Craig Kyle.

Also, she's in this book.

The book this thread is about.

Mortis is such a sycophant.

She is a SCENE STEALING CAMEO EMPRYSS!

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/havoc1/Dazzler/MORTIS.png

[Hi-Fi]

This was fun!

Crain's art is amazing and I loved seeing the Inner Circle of the Hellfire Club reunited again. Same about the Hellions!

Wells story was a good prologue for the New Mutants issue. The art was pretty.

I think Blindfold and Destiny are indeed related somehow (c'mon, both are blind precogs and their last name kinda mesh) but not sure if it's the mother/daughter kind.

I did love how Irene saved Blindfold. "Come closer. We've established I don't bite". LOL.

[Swashbuckler]

Let's talk about Lois London, AKA Mortis. Not only does she celebrate CBR's X-Forums, but she's likely a big part of this giant, amazing crossover by the talent Chris Yost and Craig Kyle.

Also, she's in this book.

The book this thread is about.

Did she do anything in this issue? Did she even speak? I don't remember doing anything. Lets discuss Senyaka.

[Novaya Havoc]

Did she do anything in this issue? Did she even speak? I don't remember doing anything. Lets discuss Senyaka.

I HIGHLIGHTED ALL OF HER SCENE STEALING MOMENTS (outside of the preview) and YES SHE HAD A LINE. It's in that collage, and she is -- very appropriately -- discussing Selene's fashion.

[Hi-Fi]

Lois London got a Mike Carey line. She's been blessed.

[Leirus]

Lois London got a Mike Carey line. She's been blessed.

Hi-Fi I know you already got your X-Force copy... would you post a review? pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease?

[Daniel Mengsk]

She is a SCENE STEALING CAMEO EMPRYSS!

Scene stealing cameo? I don't know Novaya, Selene's backside made more of an impression on me, than Lois herself...

[Hi-Fi]

Hi-Fi I know you already got your X-Force copy... would you post a review? pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease?
I just got home from work and I'm laaaaaaaazy.

[Leirus]

I just got home from work and I'm laaaaaaaazy.

http://www.virginmedia.com/images/ponies-rogue-431x300.jpg

[darknessatnoon]

Lois London got a Mike Carey line. She's been blessed.

I guess Novaya is in debt to the Professor. Ben, will you add Carey to your signature?

[Pach!]

http://www.virginmedia.com/images/ponies-rogue-431x300.jpg

I have people on it already.

[Pixie_Solanas]

http://www.virginmedia.com/images/ponies-rogue-431x300.jpg

She never looked better.

[Green Griffin]

I won't get my copy until friday but it sounds better then Utopia.

[Novaya Havoc]

I guess Novaya is in debt to the Professor. Ben, will you add Carey to your signature?

If and only if Prof. Carey, D.D.S. J.D. M.D. PhD incorporates a glorious Rogue v. Mortis re-match in Legacy.

[Talisman]

She never looked better.
The Luke Cage one is cuter.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_4OYGjUrdllo/SOwtu6ikD6I/AAAAAAAAIHY/eh9FyC8eH04/s400/LukeCage.jpg

[Daniel Mengsk]

I won't get my copy until friday but it sounds better then Utopia.

LOL You think?

[Leirus]

The Luke Cage one is cuter.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_4OYGjUrdllo/SOwtu6ikD6I/AAAAAAAAIHY/eh9FyC8eH04/s400/LukeCage.jpg


Next time my friends tell me I am a geek, I will tell them... I am just the tip of the iceberg... just the tip !!!

[Talisman]

LOL You think?
Reading the poetry on the sides of bathroom stalls sounds better than Utopia.

[Pixie_Solanas]

I won't get my copy until friday but it sounds better then Utopia.

rotflol, you'll never be disappointed if Utopia's the basis of your comparison.

[RoguishGurl]

I thought this was a good start to the crossover. I'm really excited about it!

[infernohara]

This book was so awesome!!

Yost and Kyle must really love Selene. She was such a joke character for awhile now. Its good to see her as the threat she truly is. (Joke: Meaning the complete ownage Rachel gave her during that crazy Viper arc. Emma even had the gall to say she could of beaten Selene with ease). Selene has taken some high profile people outta the game....like reducing Emma to a babbling idiot and brought back the unexpected (Harry Leland, Beserker).

Doug actually graduated from having the most useless combat powers to being probably the best in the field. Look Out Sage!

[RoguishGurl]

One thing I loved about this issue was the Hellions attacking Emma. That scene was just brilliant in my opinion.

[timbox]

Crain's art continues to evolve. His style has changed since X-Force began; it started out great and has become phenomenal. The visuals in this issue were amazing and he captures the mood perfectly. I especially liked baby Selene.

[darknessatnoon]

One thing I loved about this issue was the Hellions attacking Emma. That scene was just brilliant in my opinion.

Emma breaking down was plausible, but I was a tad annoyed at how typical it is for the X-Women to get emotionally crushed - even the bitches. Seriously, she never cared that much about them.

[Pixie_Solanas]

Crain's art continues to evolve. His style has changed since X-Force began; it started out great and has become phenomenal. The visuals in this issue were amazing and he captures the mood perfectly. I especially liked baby Selene.

Crain impressed me with this issue. I will give due plaudits. All the art contained was good.

I'm just thankful there was no Choi/Oback and their high-polish sheen.

[timbox]

Emma breaking down was plausible, but I was a tad annoyed at how typical it is for the X-Women to get emotionally crushed - even the bitches. Seriously, she never cared that much about them.

Especially in diamond form. Emma is pissing me off, at least she is consistent across all the books.

[Daniel Mengsk]

Emma breaking down was plausible, but I was a tad annoyed at how typical it is for the X-Women to get emotionally crushed - even the bitches. Seriously, she never cared that much about them.

I remember when the Hellions died back then; they and the X-Men were in shock, Emma was yelling at them to get their shit together and prepare to fight for their lives. It was the first and only time that I almost feel in love with a comic book character.

[coveredinbees]

Shinobi is the worst. Necrosha is totally ruined if not for Roulette. Weren't we going to find out why Lois joined in this?

I'm so happy. I think Selene's finally going to destroy the Hellfire Club.
Crain is fantastic.

[Leirus]

Emma breaking down was plausible, but I was a tad annoyed at how typical it is for the X-Women to get emotionally crushed - even the bitches. Seriously, she never cared that much about them.


I dunno, darkness... If one thing has been consistent about Emma through the ages, is that she did care for her students. The Hellions original massacre was what put her in Gen-X...

[RoguishGurl]

Crain's art continues to evolve. His style has changed since X-Force began; it started out great and has become phenomenal. The visuals in this issue were amazing and he captures the mood perfectly. I especially liked baby Selene.
I agree completely!
Emma breaking down was plausible, but I was a tad annoyed at how typical it is for the X-Women to get emotionally crushed - even the bitches. Seriously, she never cared that much about them.
Perhaps it is more guilt Though she didn't really get emotionally crushed I think. I think a lot of it was shock. It might have been worse if she wasn't stuck in her diamond form.

[timbox]

Perhaps it is more guilt Though she didn't really get emotionally crushed I think. I think a lot of it was shock. It might have been worse if she wasn't stuck in her diamond form.

I wish she would stop being so pathetic. At least I won't be as upset when Selene kills her.

[Cruelly_Innocent]

Question... Is Destiny the only deceased character set to appear in Legacy?

[coveredinbees]

Oh no i read it, on wiki. Thats the clip notes of utopia and that was boring. I wonder how bad the longer version was.
Wikipedia isn't the full experience. Exodus wasn't terrible.

I liked Messiah War a lot.

[darknessatnoon]

I remember when the Hellions died back then; they and the X-Men were in shock, Emma was yelling at them to get their shit together and prepare to fight for their lives. It was the first and only time that I almost feel in love with a comic book character.

Yes, it was an incredible scene. And then Jean Grey invaded her body and tainted the character forever.

[quillero]

Shinobi is the worst. Necrosha is totally ruined if not for Roulette. Weren't we going to find out why Lois joined in this?
.

That's in The Gathering one-shot

[worstblogever]

Leland should seek out Tessa and Storm for vengeance. The least they could have done was some mouth-to-mouth and a few chest compressions for appearance's sake.

This made me LOL. Well played.

i always thought shinobi was a great character. i'm looking forward to reading about him here.

who was the scariest zombie so far?

Harry Leland is the one that made me cheer the loudest, I wasn't expecting to see him or Shinobi. So happy about that.

But Pyro was pretty scary. The flame construct he made looked awesome.

When Tarot whipped out a Grim Reaper... s***, if there ever was a panel Clayton Crain was made to draw, that was it.



What this issue had, that's been lacking in some X-books the past year is this: MOTIVATION. Characters had it, and it made sense. The Hellions dogging out Emma? One of the most logical, and powerful Emma scenes in awhile. Destiny trying to warn Rogue? Brilliant. Harry Leland messing with Shaw? Outstanding. Bastion reacting to Shaw defying nature itself, and realizing his own plan to defeat mutants had been hijacked? AMAZING twist. Selene, overall, with her own cabal of people with a chip on their shoulder, in regards to the X-Men? Bravo.

And you know what? I believed everyone would say, what they were saying, in those situations. The reactions to such an unnatural, surreal happening came off as genuine.I cheered at Harry Leland and Shinobi confronting Shaw. Out loud. Every cameo in this isn't just that, these are people revived, and looking for payback. With Genosha lying on the horizon.

Single best issue of the year, that I've read. Not an exaggeration. This is a comic book triumph. And not of the Insult Comic Dog variety.

[coveredinbees]

That's in The Gathering one-shot
Thanks, quillero. I got them confused and thought there was only one. I like the issue a lot more now.
Catseye is scary. She used to look like a cute pillow.

[darknessatnoon]

I dunno, darkness... If one thing has been consistent about Emma through the ages, is that she did care for her students. The Hellions original massacre was what put her in Gen-X...

No. Emma is a sociopath. The retconning of sincere concern for her students sticks in my craw and has bothered me for years. The character is still usable, and, in fact, more hilarious when you write her as the cold inhuman wench that she was always meant to be.

[worstblogever]

Question... Is Destiny the only deceased character set to appear in Legacy?

No, I believe I heard they've teased of someone having had come back with her. Quite possibly Proteus.

Which would make sense, given the location, and the indication that Destiny may have just led Rogue into a trap.

[Novaya Havoc]

That's in The Gathering one-shot

I'm so sad it's not coming out until December. </3

[darknessatnoon]

I will add that Selene's petty motivation to get revenge on Emma for wearing a black bikini are more than compensating for the Emma flub. It's important to nail Selene's character here. And they've done that. She's completely, utterly, insane.

[Daniel Mengsk]

Yes, it was an incredible scene. And then Jean Grey invaded her body and tainted the character forever.

I couldn't agree more. I remember seeing the first issues of Generation X, wondering who that boring blond woman was. I couldn't believe that it was Emma; they had turned an awesome villain into Carol Brady.

[Green Griffin]

Wikipedia isn't the full experience. Exodus wasn't terrible.

I liked Messiah War a lot.

My favorite issue of Messiah War was the One-Shot, i felt the rest fell alittle short of the mark.

[Leirus]

I couldn't agree more. I remember seeing the first issues of Generation X, wondering who that boring blond woman was. I couldn't believe that it was Emma; they had turned an awesome villain into Carol Brady.

I think on early Gen-X she was still pretty bitchy. I love that one time when she cracked Leech´s skull, to the utter astonishment of Marrow...

[Monty_Cristo]

I really hope they don't kill off the Kleinstocks behind the scenes like they did Shinobi for the "dead Acolytes squad" the solicits mentioned. Last we saw Shinobi, he was alive and well. It makes no sense for him to be dead now, especially since he was one of the 198. What, did Sebastian Shaw suddenly decide in the past year (if even that in comic time) to find and kill his son?

didn't Sebastian somewhat suggest that he had Shinobi killed ("dealt with") when he reappeared suddenly alive way back when? i remember him having that weird scar over his eye, aligning with Holocaust, and talking about Shinobi in the past tense.

[darknessatnoon]

I think on early Gen-X she was still pretty bitchy. I love that one time when she cracked Leech´s skull, to the utter astonishment of Marrow...

I suppose but I don't buy the caring Emma sketch. The only kid she ever cared about was that crazy Cuckoo girl, and that was out of narcissistic personality disorder.

[infernohara]

Hmm. I thought Emma cared a great deal for Firestar as well......

[nightw1ng]

Don't you think it could have had something to do with Fraction's excellent characterization and story-telling abilites?the sales numbers prove that the success of Utopia was due to the Dark Avengers and not due to Fraction's writing. the crossover did very little to affect the unit sales of Dark Avengers, but it brought up Uncanny's to Dark Avengers numbers. however, once the crossover finished, Uncanny went back to it's pre-crossover numbers.

[ProfeZZor X]

How does any of that have anything to do with what I said? You've been on this board this long and you still havent figured out how to have a point yet?

The point I was making was that you were incorrect with what you knew about the Xavier protocols... All those years of going to school and you still haven't learned to analyze what you were reading?

It doesn't matter if you know how they work... I was telling you what it specifically said about Wolverine...That was my point.

[MIMIC616]

Should POST even be labeled as dead?

He has the T.O Virus from Cable, and Pyro attacked him with fire.

[q.u.e.e.n.]

Wow! I read the issue and I'm extremely excited to read more of this. The Hellions bit was by far my favorite part of Necrosha. I'm hoping and praying that Adrienne Frost will appear at one point in this crossover to haunt Emma but at the same time I think we've had enough Emma focused stories in 2009.

[Filthy Mutie]

Should POST even be labeled as dead?

He has the T.O Virus from Cable, and Pyro attacked him with fire.

No. He's in the Adam-X, the X-Treme mini that comes out in January.

[ProfeZZor X]

Should POST even be labeled as dead?

He has the T.O Virus from Cable, and Pyro attacked him with fire.

He was classified as dead as far as Marvel was concerned, but if what Filthy Mutie says is true, I can't wait to have him back...

In fact, I'd love for him to be a regular villain in the X-Books, seeing that he can adapt his powers to counter the X-Men's.

[rwsmith]

Should POST even be labeled as dead?

He has the T.O Virus from Cable, and Pyro attacked him with fire.

When did he get the T.O. virus from Cable?

Also, is there any difference between this T.O virus and the one Apocalypse gave Cable?

Just thinking that if there is, it might be the X-men's "ace in the hole" when he and Hope come back and Bastion makes his final move in Second Coming. After all, Cable has fought and defeated Bastion twice that i can recall (once during Operation Zero Tolerance and another time in some annual guest-starring Machine Man).

[Whim]

No. He's in the Adam-X, the X-Treme mini that comes out in January.

what... X-Treme mini? where? that sounds sweet

[ProfeZZor X]

When did he get the T.O. virus from Cable?

Also, is there any difference between this T.O virus and the one Apocalypse gave Cable?

Just thinking that if there is, it might be the X-men's "ace in the hole" when he and Hope come back and Bastion makes his final move in Second Coming. After all, Cable has fought and defeated Bastion twice that i can recall (once during Operation Zero Tolerance and another time in some annual guest-starring Machine Man).


If I'm not mistaken, he got a blood transfusion from Cable after being critically wounded in battle. Then was sent to Xavier's to become a student - but he refused, and went to the dark side.

Though I'm not exactly clear on what Post's powers are, other than to mentally control the techno armor covering his body.

[Prodigy55]

GODDAMNIT where is Wallflower already?

[worstblogever]

When did he get the T.O. virus from Cable?

Also, is there any difference between this T.O virus and the one Apocalypse gave Cable?

Just thinking that if there is, it might be the X-men's "ace in the hole" when he and Hope come back and Bastion makes his final move in Second Coming. After all, Cable has fought and defeated Bastion twice that i can recall (once during Operation Zero Tolerance and another time in some annual guest-starring Machine Man).

If I'm not mistaken, he got a blood transfusion from Cable.

You're not mistaken. It was revealed in Cable (vol. 1) #33.

[The Big G]

No. He's in the Adam-X, the X-Treme mini that comes out in January.

My day has just been made!

LETS GET $@^#^$ X-TREME!

[Justin K.]

When Tarot whipped out a Grim Reaper... s***, if there ever was a panel Clayton Crain was made to draw, that was it.

Best, moment, EVER! That page filled me with joy!

[coveredinbees]

How did she get her powers back?

[Talisman]

I couldn't agree more. I remember seeing the first issues of Generation X, wondering who that boring blond woman was. I couldn't believe that it was Emma; they had turned an awesome villain into Carol Brady.
Isn't that the beginning of where Morrison got his taste for Emma? Lobdell's Emma was much more fierce than anything we've seen since Morrison or Whedon.

[Novaya Havoc]

Best, moment, EVER! That page filled me with joy!

Tarot fills everyone with joy. I have a thing for French names, like MARIE or MARTINIQUE or stuff like that. I guess Jeanne-Marie is ok, but like, not as great.

[Talisman]

Tarot fills everyone with joy. I have a thing for French names, like MARIE or MARTINIQUE or stuff like that. I guess Jeanne-Marie is ok, but like, not as great.

How do you feel about Roulette?

[Justin K.]

How do you feel about Roulette?

I liked her. She has a wild-child (no relation to Kyle) feel to her.

[Talisman]

I liked her. She has a wild-child (no relation to Kyle) feel to her.

That's how I feel about her. She liked pushing buttons. I can see why she and Manny got along so well.

[Novaya Havoc]

How do you feel about Roulette?

Roulette is a BLOND and I love basically all blondes (except, o, HUSK/LIFEGUARD/MAGIK/DAGGER[sorry in advance]) so she's cool with me. Her power is kind of a big ? tho, but then again, Tarot's powers are a huge WTF?!. I kinda wish Tarot had a bit more a nebulous, chill thing going. There are 52 cards in that Tarot deck and she always picks DEATH. That's like Gambit always using the Ace of Spades or something. w/e. 9_9

ANYWAY DIGRESSION ASIDE, I like Roulette. No LURVE, but LIKE.

[Talisman]

Roulette is a BLOND and I love basically all blondes (except, o, HUSK/LIFEGUARD/MAGIK/DAGGER[sorry in advance]) so she's cool with me. Her power is kind of a big ? tho, but then again, Tarot's powers are a huge WTF?!. I kinda wish Tarot had a bit more a nebulous, chill thing going. There are 52 cards in that Tarot deck and she always picks DEATH. That's like Gambit always using the Ace of Spades or something. w/e. 9_9

ANYWAY DIGRESSION ASIDE, I like Roulette. No LURVE, but LIKE.

Yeah, some of their powers were very WTF? but it made it that much more...magical. They weren't all LASERBLASTSOUTMYASS!

[Aguja]

This sounds amazing! I really hope I get a chance to go pick this up tomorrow. And this is how villains ambush the X-Men. Those scenes sound like they played out so well, unlike the Sisterhood's attack :frown:

And thank you for the scans. I've orgasmed just seeing that scene with Catseye. I hope she rips Wolfsbane's throat out.

Did Wither do anything of note?

I"m also surprised Emma lost it. She was confronted with images of the Hellions that seemed real in a Gen X annual I think and she did freak out but held it together and got through it. You'd think she'd be over it by now? But still a great scene.

[podmark]

Good start KY. I expect this to be a cool story. Although I have no idea how the Hrimhari/Trolls/Asgard stuff is going to fit into the rest of your run.

X-Force was cool too. A very nice Laura story. I wonder if X will finally stop Kimura somehow.

EDIT: Also it's nice to finally know where the Elixir and Vanisher portraits on the recap pages came from. That was driving me nuts. That ad must have been drawn way back.

It's kinda an odd ad too, Warpath is front and center and the only one in costume, and Rhane looks like a boy. And apparently it's fun to be in X-Force? When did that happen? Somehow I doubt anyone but Dom would agree with that idea.

[LemonJynx]

Wonderful begining to a very promising crossover.

[Talisman]

This sounds amazing! I really hope I get a chance to go pick this up tomorrow. And this is how villains ambush the X-Men. Those scenes sound like they played out so well, unlike the Sisterhood's attack :frown:

And thank you for the scans. I've orgasmed just seeing that scene with Catseye. I hope she rips Wolfsbane's throat out.

Did Wither do anything of note?

I"m also surprised Emma lost it. She was confronted with images of the Hellions that seemed real in a Gen X annual I think and she did freak out but held it together and got through it. You'd think she'd be over it by now? But still a great scene.
That was probably the best scene emotionally I've seen from Emma in quite some time. Her other scenes just never seemed to ring as true, and came across as being so forced at times.

[Leirus]

That's how I feel about her. She liked pushing buttons. I can see why she and Manny got along so well.

Really? I never thought they got along. Roulette used to look at Manu and think "You Scumbag, try to manipulate my emotions and I will put my bad luck there where the sun does not shine"

[Leirus]

Roulette is a BLOND and I love basically all blondes (except, o, HUSK/LIFEGUARD/MAGIK/DAGGER[sorry in advance]) so she's cool with me. Her power is kind of a big ? tho, but then again, Tarot's powers are a huge WTF?!. I kinda wish Tarot had a bit more a nebulous, chill thing going. There are 52 cards in that Tarot deck and she always picks DEATH. That's like Gambit always using the Ace of Spades or something. w/e. 9_9

ANYWAY DIGRESSION ASIDE, I like Roulette. No LURVE, but LIKE.

Some cards are really useful for a party...

http://www.cartastarot.org/1jj/10copas.jpg

[timbox]

Does Selene have an inferiority complex?

She is trying to get revenge on Emma for wearing her outfit and she is only resurrecting ugly mutants to be in her army.

Relax, Selene. You are aging well and still look good in your bikini.

[darknessatnoon]

Does Selene have an inferiority complex?

She is trying to get revenge on Emma for wearing her outfit and she is only resurrecting ugly mutants to be in her army.

Relax, Selene. You are aging well and still look good in your bikini.

I think black bikini is a symbol. Human life means nothing to ancients like Selene and Apocalypse. She has no qualms about wiping out entire populations. She considers herself a goddess, and peasants like Emma Frost, Sebastian Shaw and Alison Crestmere have defiled her. She'll commit genocide just to get back at them.

[timbox]

I think black bikini is a symbol. Human life means nothing to ancients like Selene and Apocalypse. She has no qualms about wiping out entire populations. She considers herself a goddess, and peasants like Emma Frost, Sebastian Shaw and Alison Crestmere have defiled her. She'll commit genocide just to get back at them.

I'll believe that when and if she ever resurrects someone like Sway. Selene has lived for 17000 years; she knows what it takes to be successful in this world. She has every reason to be superficial when it comes to beauty.

[darknessatnoon]

I'll believe that when and if she ever resurrects someone like Sway. Selene has lived for 17000 years; she knows what it takes to be successful in this world. She has every reason to be superficial when it comes to beauty.

I don't see Petra and Sway coming into this. Selene is motivated by pettiness. She has nothing specific against Xavier, so why bring back those two? It's more likely she'd bring back Esme and Sophie in her vendetta against Emma, however Esme would stab her in the back without hesitation once she saw her boytoy, Magneto, in action.

[timbox]

You bring up an interesting subplot. Hopefully these attacks against Emma will help change her attitude and get her acting how she should be. After being taken out by her former students and crying over it, she should realize how weak she has become.

[rwsmith]

EDIT: Also it's nice to finally know where the Elixir and Vanisher portraits on the recap pages came from. That was driving me nuts. That ad must have been drawn way back.

It's kinda an odd ad too, Warpath is front and center and the only one in costume, and Rhane looks like a boy. And apparently it's fun to be in X-Force? When did that happen? Somehow I doubt anyone but Dom would agree with that idea.

Apologies if this was already noticed and/or posted:

http://stevenseighman.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/lost_boys_poster.jpg

I'm definitely showing my age, as I recognized the ad as a homage to this poster right away. :redface:

[Optic Rage!]

Yeah, it's a homage cover

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_rzdB5a4kLAo/Sq7api4kSGI/AAAAAAAAQR4/zF6n5dRLhrI/s400/Xforce_LostBoys.jpg

[gothicelfisback]

wow just got this comic, and what an amazing issues, selene, just such an evil b#tch, and I loved it when the hellions attacked emma ^_^

[darknessatnoon]

You bring up an interesting subplot. Hopefully these attacks against Emma will help change her attitude and get her acting how she should be. After being taken out by her former students and crying over it, she should realize how weak she has become.

I hope there's a character arc here for Emma. Really, the only way for her to work through this is for her to get her shit together and snap the necks of a few Hellions herself. I nominate Catseye and Jetstream for this role. Beef can also die by her hand as well.

[Jack Flash]

I don't see Petra and Sway coming into this. Selene is motivated by pettiness. She has nothing specific against Xavier, so why bring back those two? It's more likely she'd bring back Esme and Sophie in her vendetta against Emma, however Esme would stab her in the back without hesitation once she saw her boytoy, Magneto, in action.

LOL, this is the most perfect idea ever. Esme needs to be back in the most huge way.

[timbox]

I hope there's a character arc here for Emma. Really, the only way for her to work through this is for her to get her shit together and snap the necks of a few Hellions herself. I nominate Catseye and Jetstream for this role. Beef can also die by her hand as well.

Killing the Hellions is a good start but they're really already dead so it probably wouldn't be enough. I nominate Anole and Rockslide. Killing Hellion would be fitting as well.

[darknessatnoon]

Killing the Hellions is a good start but they're really already dead so it probably wouldn't be enough. I nominate Anole and Rockslide. Killing Hellion would be fitting as well.

I don't think killing Hellion would count as much of a sacrifice for Emma, though. Hopefully Cypher gets rid of him. Doug Ramsey has a lot to prove, and taking out "the most powerful telekinetic on earth" might be a good way to do it.

[Prodigy55]

Elixir will die. Then Beast will be like "waah, why didn't you let me help?" and probably quit the x-men.

[podmark]

Apologies if this was already noticed and/or posted:
I'm definitely showing my age, as I recognized the ad as a homage to this poster right away. :redface:

Ah thank you. It makes a lot more sense now.

[MartinRedmond]

There are 52 cards in that Tarot deck and she always picks DEATH. That's like Gambit always using the Ace of Spades or something. w/e. 9_9

And I think Death in Tarot really stands for change instead of an actual death? I don't know anything about that, but I always thought her power was kind of overly simplified. >__^

[Dahn]

Re: Emma (yes I adore this character)

Emma's always had emotions; I think a key appeal (which is why lately she's been frustrating) is one question: how far will she go before she cracks? How much can she take before the Ice Queen melts? It's not just the AbFab bitchiness (which I do adore ... Patsy as a superhero!)

She's just as repressed as Scott, which makes her "rehab" of my lover all the more interesting. That said, The Hellions were -- easily -- the character's turning point and most traumatic moment. Her repsonse here makes sense (unlike say, Manifest Destiny and Fraction taking his cues from it), because the flaw in this diamond is letting down her students. Much of her alpha bitch persona is to inspire them to be able to handle what they'll get thrown at them.

I have no explanation of excuse for Butter Rum, though. Poor Butter Rum.

Anyway, my .02.

[MarvelGirlBoy]

The first story was great.

I did not like Wells' back-up. I am bored of this language theme. We get it already.

[The Lucky One]

I'm definitely showing my age, as I recognized the ad as a homage to this poster right away. :redface:

Wait... you're saying there are people who didn't?

Man, that's as depressing as thinking that not everyone realized the covers from the Loners mini were homages to the John Hughes library.

-D

[SayOcean]

After being taken out by her former students and crying over it, she should realize how weak she has become.i hope you are right


http://stevenseighman.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/lost_boys_poster.jpg
I came

Yeah, it's a homage cover

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_rzdB5a4kLAo/Sq7api4kSGI/AAAAAAAAQR4/zF6n5dRLhrI/s400/Xforce_LostBoys.jpgI totally have to get this issue now....AWESOME!!!!!

I hope there's a character arc here for Emma. Really, the only way for her to work through this is for her to get her shit together and snap the necks of a few Hellions herself. I nominate Catseye and Jetstream for this role. Beef can also die by her hand as well.Catseye and Jetstream >Tarot and Roulette

Re: Emma (yes I adore this character)

Emma's always had emotions; I think a key appeal (which is why lately she's been frustrating) is one question: how far will she go before she cracks? How much can she take before the Ice Queen melts? It's not just the AbFab bitchiness (which I do adore ... Patsy as a superhero!)

She's just as repressed as Scott, which makes her "rehab" of my lover all the more interesting. That said, The Hellions were -- easily -- the character's turning point and most traumatic moment. Her repsonse here makes sense (unlike say, Manifest Destiny and Fraction taking his cues from it), because the flaw in this diamond is letting down her students. Much of her alpha bitch persona is to inspire them to be able to handle what they'll get thrown at them.

I have no explanation of excuse for Butter Rum, though. Poor Butter Rum.

Anyway, my .02.Emma needs to return to the ruthless Biatch she was before the hellions died....maybe theyll stick around and kick julians ass for turning their name into......his code name

Wait... you're saying there are people who didn't?

Man, that's as depressing as thinking that not everyone realized the covers from the Loners mini were homages to the John Hughes library.

-Dthose people are sad

[Pixie_Solanas]

Yeah, it's a homage cover

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_rzdB5a4kLAo/Sq7api4kSGI/AAAAAAAAQR4/zF6n5dRLhrI/s400/Xforce_LostBoys.jpg

I liked the 80s movie homage covers better when "The Loners" were doing it.

This one, i'm too distracted by the enormously-lippy James Proudstar in the foreground.

[ExodusCloak]

Re: Emma (yes I adore this character)

Emma's always had emotions; I think a key appeal (which is why lately she's been frustrating) is one question: how far will she go before she cracks? How much can she take before the Ice Queen melts? It's not just the AbFab bitchiness (which I do adore ... Patsy as a superhero!)

She's just as repressed as Scott, which makes her "rehab" of my lover all the more interesting. That said, The Hellions were -- easily -- the character's turning point and most traumatic moment. Her repsonse here makes sense (unlike say, Manifest Destiny and Fraction taking his cues from it), because the flaw in this diamond is letting down her students. Much of her alpha bitch persona is to inspire them to be able to handle what they'll get thrown at them.

I have no explanation of excuse for Butter Rum, though. Poor Butter Rum.

Anyway, my .02.

The same thing already happened in Gen X minus the breakdown and Diamond Form....not that it matters anymore because Whedon broke her and no one wants to put her back together again.

[Pixie_Solanas]

How hot was the Professor for his part in this issue? Maestro Carey does it again, brilliant stuff.

[Dahn]

The same thing already happened in Gen X minus the breakdown and Diamond Form....not that it matters anymore because Whedon broke her and no one wants to put her back together again.

See, I think Emma was absolutely perfect during Whedon -- the compensation for turning Kitty into some ninja-less prime time startlet (grrr...)

It was the right blend of cattiness, ice queeniness and genuine emotion. Ellis has done well by her also.

My current Emma woes started with Manifest Destiny ... even Fraction started off strong with her (blending a bj reference with $500 stockings was brilliant)

[ExodusCloak]

See, I think Emma was absolutely perfect during Whedon -- the compensation for turning Kitty into some ninja-less prime time startlet (grrr...)

It was the right blend of cattiness, ice queeniness and genuine emotion. Ellis has done well by her also.

My current Emma woes started with Manifest Destiny ... even Fraction started off strong with her (blending a bj reference with $500 stockings was brilliant)

Didn't mean Whedons run was bad, but he broke her down character wise and she's been an emotional wreck since.

I pretend Confessions and MD never happened. Easily the worst Emma stories ever written even behind that What if Where Emma dances in front of Kitty.

[cgar]

Yeah, it's a homage cover

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_rzdB5a4kLAo/Sq7api4kSGI/AAAAAAAAQR4/zF6n5dRLhrI/s400/Xforce_LostBoys.jpg

yah i pretty much effen loved that reference/homage.

[worstblogever]

Interesting note: Vanisher is listed as part of the X-Force team on the recap page. He's slated on an upcoming cover.

Now, I'm really curious to see how Telford gets written back into this mess. Does he try to sneak in to get Elixir to fix him with a gun at the wrong time, in the midst of all this insanity, and is like, "Son of a b****, do you people ever have a quiet day?"

His reappearance could prove to be hilarious.

[AN0LE]

Interesting note: Vanisher is listed as part of the X-Force team on the recap page. He's slated on an upcoming cover.

Now, I'm really curious to see how Telford gets written back into this mess. Does he try to sneak in to get Elixir to fix him with a gun at the wrong time, in the midst of all this insanity, and is like, "Son of a b****, do you people ever have a quiet day?"

His reappearance could prove to be hilarious.

AHH! That would be amazing. Telford and Domino have proven to be my favorite elements of X-Force. They both provide some witty, dark humor to the mix. I can just picture Vanisher porting in right in the middle of all the action and pulling a "hand-to-face WTF" moment.

[Fatguy]

yah i pretty much effen loved that reference/homage.

Me too.

I thought this was great, and even though the Doug part featured the character I'm least interested in, I think it may have been my favorite. VERY horror themed, the coldness of Doug and things shown in his perspective gave an extremely creepy viewpoint to being dead/alive. Lot's of freaky, subtle stuff there. All 3 were fantastic though, love the artist on Carey's story. He draws an amazing Destiny.

[The Lucky One]

What I thought was a nice understated touch in Wells' portion was having Beef and Bevatron, the two Hellions who never knew Doug, be the ones doing most of the joking about his power. (Granted, Tarot was a bit of an odd choice to join in, given her crush on Doug... Roulette might've been slightly better, but whatever, it's minor.) In contrast, Jetstream comes across as almost compassionate, which given their history of having been students together briefly, makes sense. It's a subtle thing, but those are what make the difference between a good story and a great one.

What I did find a bit odd was what Doug was wearing. The Hellions and Pyro were all in their classic costumes, likely because those are what will have the greatest psychological impact on the X-Men (and, metatextually speaking, the readers). But Doug's wearing neither the New Mutants uniform he died in nor the suit he was buried in. Using the psychological logic, wouldn't seeing Doug in his old New Mutants garb be just as off-putting to the Muties as Emma seeing the Hellions in their costumes? Maybe there's a reason behind it, I just thought that was a little strange.

-D

[Arachne]

Poor Shinobi. At least he left a good looking corpse.

i always thought shinobi was a great character. i'm looking forward to reading about him here.



Yeah, I like him, too. I think he had a lot of potential, especially as a foil to the New Mutants/Original X-Force generation. I thought he should be kind of what Daken became, but with less blood.

I don't have much faith that he's going to survive this.

[Astonishing!]

What an awesome issue! Kyle and Yost have outdone themselves!

Also, Carey's section was really cool, too bad we have to wait, like, two months for the next part. :frown:

[Scavenger]

Apologies if this was already noticed and/or posted:


I'm definitely showing my age, as I recognized the ad as a homage to this poster right away. :redface:

I did too...though in part cuz I got on a Lost Boys kick the other week, digging out the soundtrack etc.

[Scavenger]

What I thought was a nice understated touch in Wells' portion was having Beef and Bevatron, the two Hellions who never knew Doug, be the ones doing most of the joking about his power. (Granted, Tarot was a bit of an odd choice to join in, given her crush on Doug... Roulette might've been slightly better, but whatever, it's minor.)

Yeah..Tarot ragging on him bugged me, as she was a quiet nice one.
And Roulette banged Doug, so knows how good he is with body language.

(And I thought Roulette had survived...not that the years of limbo would matter one way or the other)

[The Lucky One]

Yeah..Tarot ragging on him bugged me, as she was a quiet nice one.
And Roulette banged Doug, so knows how good he is with body language.

(And I thought Roulette had survived...not that the years of limbo would matter one way or the other)

Roulette didn't survive, but Tarot did. Well, she died, but then was mysteriously resurrected by King Bedlam and hinted that she owed him her new life. She was confirmed still powered and alive in the 198 Files one-shot, so I guess she must have died again sometime since then.

-D

[ThunderWolf!!!]

Is it me or Berzerker is spelled Berserker in the one shot?

[HellionTK]

Is it me or Berzerker is spelled Berserker in the one shot?

your right is is spelled berserker

[tunasammiches]

loved it. i can't wait to see who sticks around after. it would be interesting to see how they handle thunderbird, if he sticks around.

doug ramsey!!! <3 <3 <3 FINALLY. i love underrated characters. i love that they're going the complete opposite take on the value of his power set. i always knew he had it in him. i'm surprised at how happy i am to see the hellions, and leland! i started reading after he had died so i didn't get to know him as a character, but he brings back an old school vibe, so i am totally appreciating his return.

also, i hope mystique joins in on the fun. (come back rachel! some of us need to see selene to get her revenge on you too!)

ps-crain's art is so scary!!! i wish i had half his talent as a painter. i want him to stick around the x-books 4ever!

[Chris Yost]

Happy Halloween, you guys.

c

[The Big G]

Happy Halloween, you guys.

c

Thanks Chris!

YOU GUYS ROCK!

[Personamanx]

I forgot to get the shop to hold this for me........ *Sad Face* I hope I'll still be able to get it the next time Im at the shop...........

EDIT: Howdy Mr. Yost!!!

[Blood Witch]

Happy Halloween, you guys.

c

Thanks!
Happy Halloween to you too! :biggrin: :smile:

I'm still re-reading/enjoying Necrosha.
I was really taken with Doug's story, its interesting to see how the TO virus is affecting him. Ive been wondering if its the same for everyone (or if all the infected are handling it differently).

I was unsure on one part-
In Destiny's story she had a picture with Legion. Was that a vision or a flashback? Im not up on how Destiny died.

[The Lucky One]

I was unsure on one part-
In Destiny's story she had a picture with Legion. Was that a vision or a flashback? Im not up on how Destiny died.

Legion killed her.

To be fair, he was being possessed by the Shadow King at the time.

-D

[ardshipman]

X-titles going Blackest night on us, huh? Could be fun.

[idiopathic]

Why would the Hellions be a threat now? They were routinely being beat by the New Mutants while they were young. The Sentinels killed them in like seconds. They've been dead since then. No further training or fighting experience since then. Since that time, the other mutants have all improved (at least should have) with all that they've been through, so it shouldn't even be close.

Were they all automatically been given upgrades?