NECROSHA #1 - Review and SPOILERS

[Faded]

Why would the Hellions be a threat now? They were routinely being beat by the New Mutants while they were young. The Sentinels killed them in like seconds. They've been dead since then. No further training or fighting experience since then. Since that time, the other mutants have all improved (at least should have) with all that they've been through, so it shouldn't even be close.

Were they all automatically been given upgrades?

Well their biggest problem was dying and they're not doing that no more.

[Scavenger]

Actually, the Hellions would usally beat the New Mutants.

[Maestro]

I really want Sabretooth to come back and decapitate Wolverine for good measure

[gothicelfisback]

there a few mutants i want to see come back tehe, i wish wicked, and freakshow where on genosha still i love to see them confront selene, but the hellion seemed to be acting like themselfs, and making fun of doug i wonder if the legucy virus effects other like it has dougie,

[Leirus]

X-titles going Blackest night on us, huh? Could be fun.

Or DC titles are going TO on us, seeing as, you know, first TO zombies showed up here like one year and something ago...

I am still surprised how can people happily imply Marvel is copying DC, when anyone paying a minimum of attemption has seen this story growing from NXM. You know, that title canceled last year

[ExodusCloak]

Emma showing concern in her diamond form was complete crap as was the "Uhn" part seeing as she's not supposed to be able to feel pain it it she really should have laughed in their faces since she has no empathy or compassion and just a cruel sense of humour in that form plus she has super strength in it and is much, much stronger then Catseye this is like the second time this has happened eg the Mary pinning her down thing. Even if she didn't want to hurt them that doesn't excuse the pain thing or the concern thing. Also Shinobi Shaw was alive in the 198 files.

The rest of the issue was good though.

[KiplingKat]

there a few mutants i want to see come back tehe, i wish wicked, and freakshow where on genosha still i love to see them confront selene, but the hellion seemed to be acting like themselfs, and making fun of doug i wonder if the legucy virus effects other like it has dougie,

It is a damn shame Wikkid was depowered, even with her lack of experience that would have been a heck of a showdown.

As for Marvel vs. DC, one of the guy at the LCBS pointed out like five examples of how they had been mirroring one another for years now, including this and "Death of Captain America? Oop, there goes Batman..." So you really can't point a finger at either company, they're both doing it.

[Goshin]

Does anybody want Stonewall and Supersabre to come back, join up with Pyro, Destiny, Avalanche, Spiral and Mystique and bring back Freedom Force? Screw Dark X-Men.....

[gothicelfisback]

It is a damn shame Wikkid was depowered, even with her lack of experience that would have been a heck of a showdown.

As for Marvel vs. DC, one of the guy at the LCBS pointed out like five examples of how they had been mirroring one another for years now, including this and "Death of Captain America? Oop, there goes Batman..." So you really can't point a finger at either company, they're both doing it.

acoording to wiki she has her powers back, but i don't believe everything i read there though, but think of it wicked could summon 16 million ghosts on genosha, and kick ass :P and i think Necrosha different from blackest night in a tone of ways and it just started , it the zombie virus it spreading

[TJKernan]

Does anybody want Stonewall and Supersabre to come back, join up with Pyro, Destiny, Avalanche, Spiral and Mystique and bring back Freedom Force? Screw Dark X-Men.....

While I would love to see Freedom Force back, Stonewall and Saber were kind of weak characters, and not all that interesting. The name Stonewall is in use as well, isn't it?
How about keeping Dark Beast and bringing back Arachne and adding one of the Mastermind sisters and Random...

[PO!]

it would have been a much better undeadteamup to have Sabre Stonewall and Pyro than Berzerker!!! Whats the point on bringing back that obscure z list character???? He appeared in only one issue during walt simonson run!!!

On the other hand Thunderbird, Banshee, Caliban, the hellions, Doug, Leland Fitzroy (when did he died?) and Destiny are great examples on how to choose your undead soldiers if you want to emotionally hurt your enemies!

I cant believe that Rachel is not part of this saga!!! Selene has a personal score to settle with her and all her family has been slaughter a few months back! (plus jean)

I have to admit that I loved this issue! But I wonder who else will be back?

Proteus? Revanche? Skin? Synch? the new xmen? Joseph? Mastermind? Corsair? All the Morlocks? Sabretooh? Alpha Flight? MOIRA? mmmmm

[Goshin]

Crimson Commando is still alive....

I wanna see Weapon Omega and maybe a non-villain like Fantom X or USAgent or maybe even Bucky join up.

A Freedom Force series would be a fun read, a mix of ex-villains and government-owned heroes going on various missions and maybe tussling w the other teams sometimes

[samhalliwell]

I love all the inconsistency on Emma's character, but the grief and guilt thing have been beaten to deathfor a while now. I hope she goes back to full bitch-mode or die at Selene's hand.

Loved the arguing between Logan and Scott, as well as Dr. Nemesis' comments during that whole scene.

The Hellions seem cool (should catch up on older issues), and I hope there's a Daken/Shinobi Shaw pairing team-up eventually. It'd be twistedly hilarious.

[Raptor]

I rather enjoyed every T/O character return.

It's still early and the emotional impact and threat level seems very high. I'm impressed. I don't normally like the huge events marvel does, but this one I'm liking.

Great art, great story.

I don't normally give out a 10/10 but I'm tempted.

I'll say 9.75/10 because something can always be better.

[Goshin]

What team would Thunderbird be on if he stays back? Will he go back to calling Cyclops whitey and cracker? T-bird was blacker than Storm...

[theXfactor]

Emma showing concern in her diamond form was complete crap as was the "Uhn" part seeing as she's not supposed to be able to feel pain it it she really should have laughed in their faces since she has no empathy or compassion and just a cruel sense of humour in that form plus she has super strength in it and is much, much stronger then Catseye this is like the second time this has happened eg the Mary pinning her down thing. Even if she didn't want to hurt them that doesn't excuse the pain thing or the concern thing. Also Shinobi Shaw was alive in the 198 files.

The rest of the issue was good though.

Yeah. If there is one character KY are bad at writing is Emma.

[Havok83]

Now that was a GOOD start to this crossover. Actually damn amazing.

Did Yost/Kyle retcon CC's retcon of a retcon?

how is it that Cypher's body was resurrected from his grave? Wasnt his body reninmated in the form of Douglock back in Excalibur? Speaking of which, exactly what are his powers now? Seems he got an upgrade.

Shinboi Shaw is dead? What? When did that happen. I loved him and always wondered what happened to him. I hope he sticks around bc I thought he was a cool villian

I love that the resurrected arent simply zombies as I originally thought they might be. They're not quite alive but still very human as highlighted by the scene between Cypher and the Hellions

[tlp0708]

Emma showing concern in her diamond form was complete crap as was the "Uhn" part seeing as she's not supposed to be able to feel pain it it she really should have laughed in their faces since she has no empathy or compassion and just a cruel sense of humour in that form plus she has super strength in it and is much, much stronger then Catseye this is like the second time this has happened eg the Mary pinning her down thing. Even if she didn't want to hurt them that doesn't excuse the pain thing or the concern thing.

That's what I was thinking.

aside: 1000 post!

[Havok83]

Emma showing concern in her diamond form was complete crap as was the "Uhn" part seeing as she's not supposed to be able to feel pain it it she really should have laughed in their faces since she has no empathy or compassion and just a cruel sense of humour in that form plus she has super strength in it and is much, much stronger then Catseye this is like the second time this has happened eg the Mary pinning her down thing. Even if she didn't want to hurt them that doesn't excuse the pain thing or the concern thing. Also Shinobi Shaw was alive in the 198 files.

The rest of the issue was good though.
Emma does not have super strength. Her diamond skin gives her a level of invulnerability and makes her hard but she can be struck down.

[nightw1ng]

Did Yost/Kyle retcon CC's retcon of a retcon?which part are you referring to?


how is it that Cypher's body was resurrected from his grave? Wasnt his body reninmated in the form of Douglock back in Excalibur? Speaking of which, exactly what are his powers now? Seems he got an upgrade.Douglock was revealed to be a resurrected Warlock with the imprinted memories of Doug. After figuring out who he really was, he went back to calling himself Warlock and even had a shortlived series in the late 90s. The real Doug was dead all along (until Selene just resurrected him for this crossover).

Concerning Doug's "upgrade", the writers are doing what many have speculated Doug could do, which is use his language ability to read body language, turning him into a superior fighter.


Shinboi Shaw is dead? What? When did that happen. I loved him and always wondered what happened to him. I hope he sticks around bc I thought he was a cool villianWhile Shinobi Shaw was shown to be alive and powered in the 198 Files, one has to assume Sebastian somehow killed him off-panel between then and now since this is Shinobi's first on-panel appearance in years.

[Havok83]

which part are you referring to?

Nova Roma. Originally it was an ancient Roman civilization concealed within the Amazon. In the 90s, it was retconned that it was false and was actually something Selene created by kidnapping and brainwashing the inhabitants into beleiving. When CC came back, he did away with that retcon and stuck to his original story. Here in Necrosha, she refers to how she tried to recreate Rome, which Im assuming is referring to Nova Roma and the retcon about her having starting that up

[Imraith Nimphais]

Personally, I think that the person who wrote that Emma should be cold and emotionless in her diamond form should be drawn and quartered...Why? Because Diamonds aka "ice" are hard? That is a stupid and very cliche rationale to use. Thank the Goddess that Kyle and Yost, in their infinite wisdom, and not inconsiderable skill are attempting to retcon that rubbish...even if it is "canon".

[The Lucky One]

Here in Necrosha, she refers to how she tried to recreate Rome, which Im assuming is referring to Nova Roma and the retcon about her having starting that up

I think with both stories, the original and the retcon, Selene was involved in the creation of Nova Roma- it's just that in one, she was the goddess they sacrificed people to, and in the other she brainwashed English plane crash survivors. In both, Nova Roma was largely her handiwork.

-D

[nightw1ng]

Nova Roma. Originally it was an ancient Roman civilization concealed within the Amazon. In the 90s, it was retconned that it was false and was actually something Selene created by kidnapping and brainwashing the inhabitants into beleiving. When CC came back, he did away with that retcon and stuck to his original story. Here in Necrosha, she refers to how she tried to recreate Rome, which Im assuming is referring to Nova Roma and the retcon about her having starting that up
Ah, well, I suppose it is possible to to fit K&Y's retcon that Selene tried to recreate a Rome-like city with the original idea that it was a Roman civilization. The Roman empire lasted for centuries. You could say that Selene lost her bid for Rome in the early days and then came back in the latter days of the Roman empire, influencing a group of people to colonize a remote area in South America that she could shape and influence into her personal New Rome (Nova Roma).

[mgs]

some good stuff in here. I really would've liked to see Crain's art for the whole thing though.

but overall it was decent and i got a good idea where things were headed, even though I'm only nowadays an X-book scanner (once in a while purchaser).

[Zomling]

Just as I was thinking of dropping X-Force (for financial rather than artistic reasons) K&Y come up with this. Excellent, it will keep me reading, at least until they no longer write the book.

Wasn't keen on the artwork in the main story though, Selene's body proportions just looked wrong somehow.

The backup story with Destiny was great though.

Looking forward to the next few issues of X-Force.

[Mind_Witch]

Emma showing concern in her diamond form was complete crap as was the "Uhn" part seeing as she's not supposed to be able to feel pain it it she really should have laughed in their faces since she has no empathy or compassion and just a cruel sense of humour in that form plus she has super strength in it and is much, much stronger then Catseye this is like the second time this has happened eg the Mary pinning her down thing. Even if she didn't want to hurt them that doesn't excuse the pain thing or the concern thing. Also Shinobi Shaw was alive in the 198 files.

The rest of the issue was good though.

Agreed.
She really shouldn't have had a breakdown in a middle of a fight in diamond form.

[jrc_burgess]

Wasn't keen on the artwork in the main story though, Selene's body proportions just looked wrong somehow.

I'd have to agree with that.
I also think that while that style of art lends itself well to young men and female characters, the less effeminate male characters suffer. Look at Shaw and Wolverine for example. Everywhere else they are manly, hairy and solid but in this book look like 14 year old girls.

[timbox]

I'd have to agree with that.
I also think that while that style of art lends itself well to young men and female characters, the less effeminate male characters suffer. Look at Shaw and Wolverine for example. Everywhere else they are manly, hairy and solid but in this book look like 14 year old girls.

I prefer them this way. The art in this issue felt so alive, I wanted to fall into the pages. I loved it.

[Pixie_Solanas]

I prefer them this way. The art in this issue felt so alive, I wanted to fall into the pages. I loved it.

Frankly, the Carey story had the best art. Everything else in the book paled in comparison.

[Valeria Kementari]

a) Shinobi Shaw's last appearance was X-Force 62, he was very much alive then
b) Tarot last's appearance was during the "new Hellions" arc starting in X-Force 87, she was very much resurrected and alive then...

those are things that can make any continuity fan upset...

[timbox]

Continuity fans should check their facts.

[darknessatnoon]

a) Shinobi Shaw's last appearance was X-Force 62, he was very much alive then
b) Tarot last's appearance was during the "new Hellions" arc starting in X-Force 87, she was very much resurrected and alive then...

those are things that can make any continuity fan upset...

So what? Sebastian had Tessa assassinate him off panel. What did you think happened to him? Tessa shot him execution-style in the back of the head and stuffed him down a Jersey sewage pipe where Caliban later sniffed him out.

[ExodusCloak]

Emma does not have super strength. Her diamond skin gives her a level of invulnerability and makes her hard but she can be struck down.

She has super strength she can be struck down because her mass remains the same but sheshould have been able to backhand Mary and Catseye. BTW she doesn't feel any pain what the hell was "Uhn".


Personally, I think that the person who wrote that Emma should be cold and emotionless in her diamond form should be drawn and quartered...Why? Because Diamonds aka "ice" are hard? That is a stupid and very cliche rationale to use. Thank the Goddess that Kyle and Yost, in their infinite wisdom, and not inconsiderable skill are attempting to retcon that rubbish...even if it is "canon".

That person? Morrison? That was how she didn't go crazy after Genosha she got hard both physically and emotionally. That was genius. As good as C&C are they're not Morrison good.

The Shinobi Shaw is minor, it's very plausable that he was killed off panel.

[nightw1ng]

a) Shinobi Shaw's last appearance was X-Force 62, he was very much alive then
b) Tarot last's appearance was during the "new Hellions" arc starting in X-Force 87, she was very much resurrected and alive then...

those are things that can make any continuity fan upset...
not every little thing needs to be or will be explained to the fans. sometimes you just have to come up with the explanation yourself. that's what marvel used to give out "no-prizes" for.

shinobi's death was acknowledged by sebastian saying he killed him and that obviously happened off-panel.

people have explained that tarot never was really truly resurrected. she was being reanimated by king bedlam. when he lost his powers during m-day, the logical thing to happen was for her to die again.

continuity fans should only get upset if something can not be explained away.

[idiopathic]

How can Emma in diamond form move? Shouldn't she be like a solid statue when in diamond form? Colussus, I can understand, because metal can be malleable.

Emma should just turn to diamond form, then Colussus can swing her around to hit stuff like a baseball bat.

[darknessatnoon]

How can Emma in diamond form move? Shouldn't she be like a solid statue when in diamond form? Colussus, I can understand, because metal can be malleable.

Emma should just turn to diamond form, then Colussus can swing her around to hit stuff like a baseball bat.

Metal is malleable when you heat it up. Maybe they should set Colossus on fire every time he appears.

[Imraith Nimphais]

Well then...that would explain it...retconning elements of the Morrison era is par rthe course, is it not? As brilliant a writer as he is...and I do believe this...that Diamond Emma w/o feelings is somewot less than "genius", imo...turning into Diamond to survive the blast, I can work with...negating all feelings and emotions as a result of said transformation...not so much...and yes, Kyle and Yost are that good...so I will have to respectfully disagree with you on both counts.

[darknessatnoon]

Well then...that would explain it...retconning elements of the Morrison era is par rthe course, is it not? As brilliant a writer as he is...and I do believe this...that Diamond Emma w/o feelings is somewot less than "genius", imo...turning into Diamond to survive the blast, I can work with...negating all feelings and emotions as a result of said transformation...not so much...and yes, Kyle and Yost are that good...so I will have to respectfully disagree with you on both counts.

You make me wish that ellipses were poisonous.

[Valeria Kementari]

not every little thing needs to be or will be explained to the fans. sometimes you just have to come up with the explanation yourself. that's what marvel used to give out "no-prizes" for.

shinobi's death was acknowledged by sebastian saying he killed him and that obviously happened off-panel.

people have explained that tarot never was really truly resurrected. she was being reanimated by king bedlam. when he lost his powers during m-day, the logical thing to happen was for her to die again.

continuity fans should only get upset if something can not be explained away.

Off-Panel things do not count for continuity, one can say that off panel Jean cheated on Cyclops with Iceman and that doesn't make it true... also, in the X-Force issues it was implied that Bedlam had something to do with Tarot's resurrection, but not that it was directly linked to his powers... off-panel speculation should not be counted as canon...

[darknessatnoon]

Off-Panel things do not count for continuity, one can say that off panel Jean cheated on Cyclops with Iceman and that doesn't make it true... also, in the X-Force issues it was implied that Bedlam had something to do with Tarot's resurrection, but not that it was directly linked to his powers... off-panel speculation should not be counted as canon...

Tarot is a walking corpse, on-panel. There's no rule against using your deductive reasoning.

[Talisman]

Metal is malleable when you heat it up. Maybe they should set Colossus on fire every time he appears.

I agree with this logic.

[Valeria Kementari]

Tarot is a walking corpse, on-panel. There's no rule against using your deductive reasoning.

Except that if Bedlam had "zombie-raising" powers he would have raised and entire army to conquer the world and not just one puny girl...

[darknessatnoon]

Except that if Bedlam had "zombie-raising" powers he would have raised and entire army to conquer the world and not just one puny girl...

I'm going to be honest with you. I don't give a damn about Bedlam. I have never ever read one of his appearances. The Tarot girl is dead and now she's a dead girl walking. Get over it.

[Home made ectoplasm]

What is with all the "..."s guys?

I hope you are paying X-Geek 52 royalties.

[ExodusCloak]

Well then...that would explain it...retconning elements of the Morrison era is par rthe course, is it not? As brilliant a writer as he is...and I do believe this...that Diamond Emma w/o feelings is somewot less than "genius", imo...turning into Diamond to survive the blast, I can work with...negating all feelings and emotions as a result of said transformation...not so much...and yes, Kyle and Yost are that good...so I will have to respectfully disagree with you on both counts.

Lulz I can't believe I'm saying this but no it's not retconning as Matthew Fraction is actually portraying that particular power of hers correctly in Uncanny X-Men.

Nope, the worst part of about the massacre wasn't the blast, it was watching children being ripped to shreds in front of you, screams and the smell of blood ask Lorna she's now crazier then usual.

And I guess we will.

[Talisman]

What is with all the "..."s guys?

I hope you are paying X-Geek 52 royalties.
They had damn well better.

*does snoopy dance while chugging this big gulp full of Jim Beam*

[Filthy Mutie]

I'm going to be honest with you. I don't give a damn about Bedlam. I have never ever read one of his appearances. The Tarot girl is dead and now she's a dead girl walking. Get over it.

I enjoy any post that begins this way.

When Emma was first given her "diamond form", I thought it was a pretty good idea in spite of thinking "secondary mutation" was a very questionable idea. To say that in a moment to extreme shock and self-preservation that she would become as dense as diamond, yet lose her telepathy and thoughts (and feelings) beyond cold logic (which coincided with her self preservation) isn't too bad. It's not genius, but it's compelling and yielded potential, which is what readers crave. However, since then the idea was deluded, malformed, and outright ignored, so it's all irrelevant at this point.

It's like when Beast was having trouble with his digital dexterity. It may have been his best recent character development until committing mass-genocide on two different occasions. Somewhere along the way, it just didn't matter anymore. And that's sad.

[ExodusCloak]

I enjoy any post that begins this way.

When Emma was first given her "diamond form", I thought it was a pretty good idea in spite of thinking "secondary mutation" was a very questionable idea. To say that in a moment to extreme shock and self-preservation that she would become as dense as diamond, yet lose her telepathy and thoughts (and feelings) beyond cold logic (which coincided with her self preservation) isn't too bad. It's not genius, but it's compelling and yielded potential, which is what readers crave. However, since then the idea was deluded, malformed, and outright ignored, so it's all irrelevant at this point.

Why do you say it was ignored? Morrison, Whedon, Pak (Endsong & Warsong), Fraction and even C&C during their Extremists arc( The part where she's scratching her desk) have used it that way.

[Filthy Mutie]

Why do you say it was ignored? Morrison, Whedon, Pak (Endsong & Warsong), Fraction and even C&C during their Extremists arc( The part where she's scratching her desk) have used it that way.

I will have to go back and read the last eight-or-so years of X-Men comics to jog my memory enough to get really specific, but I do recall people on CBR being really excited that Fraction brought back that aspect of her powerset when the Void blew a load on her face at the end of Utopia.

[darknessatnoon]

Why do you say it was ignored? Morrison, Whedon, Pak (Endsong & Warsong), Fraction and even C&C during their Extremists arc( The part where she's scratching her desk) have used it that way.

I think he meant it's been diluted and the concept of it has been lost. I'd disagree. They're still going with the "I got hard as defense against my own softness" theme. In fact, her collapsing while in diamond form is a good idea. It shows that her defenses have been broken. She is broken. I have no problem with how they're delivering. I just think they're really pounding the anvil on this theme that Emma is a good person who has just been through a lot, blah blah.

[Filthy Mutie]

I think he meant it's been diluted and the concept of it has been lost. ... I just think they're really pounding the anvil on this theme that Emma is a good person who has just been through a lot, blah blah.

The first part is right; the second part may point to why I feel the way I do about it (the first part).

Sorry about the ellipses, but it was necessary.

[ExodusCloak]

I think he meant it's been diluted and the concept of it has been lost. I'd disagree. They're still going with the "I got hard as defense against my own softness" theme. In fact, her collapsing while in diamond form is a good idea. It shows that her defenses have been broken. She is broken. I have no problem with how they're delivering. I just think they're really pounding the anvil on this theme that Emma is a good person who has just been through a lot, blah blah.

Oh you mean the whole "my only flaw is that I care too much" jazz, yeah that's just unfortunate.

[darknessatnoon]

Oh you mean the whole "my only flaw is that I care too much" jazz, yeah that's just unfortunate.

It's like when Hillary Clinton tried to cry. Even if it was sincere, it doesn't come off that way.

[The Lucky One]

shinobi's death was acknowledged by sebastian saying he killed him and that obviously happened off-panel.

people have explained that tarot never was really truly resurrected. she was being reanimated by king bedlam. when he lost his powers during m-day, the logical thing to happen was for her to die again.

The first one works perfectly for me. The second doesn't work simply because Tarot was confirmed to still be powered (and thus, obviously, alive) in the 198 Files, so Marie-Ange must have died some other way since then.

-D

[Home made ectoplasm]

The second doesn't work simply because Tarot was confirmed to still be powered (and thus, obviously, alive) in the 198 Files, so Marie-Ange must have died some other way since then.

-D

So how does it not work? You just explained it perfectly adequately.

[The Lucky One]

How can Emma in diamond form move? Shouldn't she be like a solid statue when in diamond form? Colussus, I can understand, because metal can be malleable.

Metal can be malleable, but steel generally isn't. So I suppose if I can buy "organic steel," I can believe organic diamond too. :wink:

But I'll confess to being a little thrown off while reading X-Factor #50 when some of Ruby's, er, upper torso parts were clearly depicted as squishing against the floor. For some reason it seems like organic ruby (or diamond, or steel) should be more stiff and inflexible than skin, and thus you wouldn't get the same kind of boob-squash against a flat surface.

I'm probably oversharing again.

-D

[ExodusCloak]

Metal can be malleable, but steel generally isn't. So I suppose if I can buy "organic steel," I can believe organic diamond too. :wink:

But I'll confess to being a little thrown off while reading X-Factor #50 when some of Ruby's, er, upper torso parts were clearly depicted as squishing against the floor. For some reason it seems like organic ruby (or diamond, or steel) should be more stiff and inflexible than skin, and thus you wouldn't get the same kind of boob-squash against a flat surface.

I'm probably oversharing again.

-D

I suppose both Colossus and Emma's clothes are reinforced that way their underwear doesn't rip when they change.

[Faded]

The first one works perfectly for me. The second doesn't work simply because Tarot was confirmed to still be powered (and thus, obviously, alive) in the 198 Files, so Marie-Ange must have died some other way since then.

-D

She was confirmed to be depowered.

[Filthy Mutie]

But I'll confess to being a little thrown off while reading X-Factor #50 when some of Ruby's, er, upper torso parts were clearly depicted as squishing against the floor. For some reason it seems like organic ruby (or diamond, or steel) should be more stiff and inflexible than skin, and thus you wouldn't get the same kind of boob-squash against a flat surface.


Remember when Colossus was bent during the World War Hulk/X-Men mini? That was awesome.

[Azure]

Emma should just turn to diamond form, then Colussus can swing her around to hit stuff like a baseball bat.

I love this post and wish for it to influence future X-Men stories.

[Novaya Havoc]

It's like when Hillary Clinton tried to cry. Even if it was sincere, it doesn't come off that way.

:mad: :evilangry: :mad: :evilangry:

[ExodusCloak]

I love this post and wish for it to influence future X-Men stories.

He reads/watches too much teen titans.


It's like when Hillary Clinton tried to cry. Even if it was sincere, it doesn't come off that way.

I sometimes wonder how Emma survived in the Hellfire Club with the amount of crying she does under C&C's pen.

[AcesX1X]

The first one works perfectly for me. The second doesn't work simply because Tarot was confirmed to still be powered (and thus, obviously, alive) in the 198 Files, so Marie-Ange must have died some other way since then.

-D

liked faded say - nope. and she even says in that x-force moore story (her only appearance since dying the first time) that she thought she was a ghost or something. seems pretty simple to me....

[Havok83]

She has super strength she can be struck down because her mass remains the same but sheshould have been able to backhand Mary and Catseye. BTW she doesn't feel any pain what the hell was "Uhn".
When has she been shown to have super strength? Maybe Im drawing a blank but I dont beleive thats part of her powerset. Her diamond skin protects her from damage and it hurts if she hits someone, but it cant make her lift up a car. Strength isnt something she gains from it. Again I could be wrong but Im not remembering it

[Jake V]

When has she been shown to have super strength? Maybe Im drawing a blank but I dont beleive thats part of her powerset. Her diamond skin protects her from damage and it hurts if she hits someone, but it cant make her lift up a car. Strength isnt something she gains from it
I dunno, I'd guess that getting hit with a fist-sized diamond would hurt a lot more than getting hit with a regular fist.

[ExodusCloak]

"When has she been shown to have super strength? Maybe Im drawing a blank but I dont beleive thats part of her powerset. Her diamond skin protects her from damage and it hurts if she hits someone, but it cant make her lift up a car. Strength isnt something she gains from it

A few times, she hardly used her diamond ability before Fraction, in Austens run she was able to lift two men up with ease, she picked up Elixir by the neck with one hand in New X-Men, she smacked a giant brood across the room in X4, she smashed Lady Mastermind through a wall recently, managed to pile drive Daken face-first into the ground, helped lift the Blackbird engine in World War Hulk, made a fool out of Warpath whose Class 70-90 and can fly again as seen in Necrosha and took on those Sentinels/Humans with Namor in Utopia.

[Havok83]

I dunno, I'd guess that getting hit with a fist-sized diamond would hurt a lot more than getting hit with a regular fist.
It does bc a diamond is hard. When I think of super strength, I think more of the lines of a person's physical capacity to lift weight. The official strength levels of Marvel characters is classified as such. For example Beast's strength is 25 tons. I dont believe Emma's is much stronger than an average human. Maybe slightly better, but nothing extreme

[Filthy Mutie]

A few times, she hardly used her diamond ability before in Austens run she was able to lift two men up with ease, she picked up Elixir by the neck with one hand in New X-Men, she smacked a giant brood across the room in X4, she smashed Lady Mastermind through a wall recently, managed to pile drive Daken face-first into the ground, helped lift the Blackbird engine in World War Hulk, made a fool out of Warpath whose Class 70-90 and can fly again as seen in Necrosha.

I suppose her strength is proportional to an object with the density of diamond. As in, a diamond statue of Emma would be able to sustain those weights, stand-up to that kind of impact, do that kind of damage with the velocity of human motions (punches, slide-tackles, jumping off of the top ropes, etc.), and so forth.


It does bc a diamond is hard. When I think of super strength, I think more of the lines of a person's physical capacity to lift weight. The official strength levels of Marvel characters is classified as such. For example Beast's strength is 25 tons. I dont believe Emma's is much stronger than an average human. Maybe slightly better, but nothing extreme

I love the idea of people who are not, like, Hulk and Juggernaut being able to lift insane amounts of weight. Beast lifting 25 tons? LOL

[Jake V]

It does bc a diamond is hard. When I think of super strength, I think more of the lines of a person's physical capacity to lift weight. The official strength levels of Marvel characters is classified as such. For example Beast's strength is 25 tons. I dont believe Emma's is much stronger than an average human. Maybe slightly better, but nothing extreme
Her strength is however strong a person would be if they didn't have to worry about breaking bones or pain or tearing muscles.

Wolverine, for example, has enhanced strength because of his unbreakable skeleton.

[Havok83]

A few times, she hardly used her diamond ability before Fraction, in Austens run she was able to lift two men up with ease, she picked up Elixir by the neck with one hand in New X-Men, she smacked a giant brood across the room in X4, she smashed Lady Mastermind through a wall recently, managed to pile drive Daken face-first into the ground, helped lift the Blackbird engine in World War Hulk, made a fool out of Warpath whose Class 70-90 and can fly again as seen in Necrosha and took on those Sentinels/Humans with Namor in Utopia.
thanks I'll have to go recheck my issues

[Filthy Mutie]

Her strength is however strong a person would be if they didn't have to worry about breaking bones or pain or tearing muscles.

Wolverine, for example, has enhanced strength because of his unbreakable skeleton.

He also gets totally jacked the more he tears all that muscle fiber.

[AcesX1X]

A few times, she hardly used her diamond ability before Fraction, in Austens run she was able to lift two men up with ease, she picked up Elixir by the neck with one hand in New X-Men, she smacked a giant brood across the room in X4, she smashed Lady Mastermind through a wall recently, managed to pile drive Daken face-first into the ground, helped lift the Blackbird engine in World War Hulk, made a fool out of Warpath whose Class 70-90 and can fly again as seen in Necrosha and took on those Sentinels/Humans with Namor in Utopia.

i always appreciate your attention to detail, exoduscloak.

[ExodusCloak]

I love the idea of people who are not, like, Hulk and Juggernaut being able to lift insane amounts of weight. Beast lifting 25 tons? LOL

I think that was the old handbook which lists him as 25 tons on the grid but says less then one ton in the power description. Emma was listed between Class 50 -Class 75 in the old handbook and now it says 2 tons in the new handbook. Handbooks are weird and painful to read.

[Goshin]

I used to just got by the old marvel trading cards 1-7 system....

[The Lucky One]

She was confirmed to be depowered.

You're right, I was misremembering- what I should have said was that she was shown depowered but alive in New Avengers #18. So she's apparently died at some point since then.

-D

[Monty_Cristo]

liked faded say - nope. and she even says in that x-force moore story (her only appearance since dying the first time) that she thought she was a ghost or something. seems pretty simple to me....

maybe Chris Aaronson aka "King Bedlam" was using his powers to keep her alive. he was depowered, right?

[The Lucky One]

maybe Chris Aaronson aka "King Bedlam" was using his powers to keep her alive. he was depowered, right?

That was the prevailing theory when she first showed up alive in the New Hellions arc, but since they were both depowered on M-Day and she apparently remained alive afterward, that theory kinda went out the window.

It doesn't really matter, it's a totally minor continuity point that will never be addressed... basically, either you retcon the NA story or you just No Prize that something else killed her since. (And apparently the transmode virus restored her mutant powers.) No biggie either way. :smile:

-D

[RickyD410]

I finally got this today. I enjoyed it. I'm most excited for the Legacy issues I think. It looks like Destiny was trying to talk to Rogue, but got Blindfold instead. Maybe she didnt know Blindfold was her daughter?

Also, Warpath flew in this issue!

[idiopathic]

Metal can be malleable, but steel generally isn't. So I suppose if I can buy "organic steel," I can believe organic diamond too. :wink:

But I'll confess to being a little thrown off while reading X-Factor #50 when some of Ruby's, er, upper torso parts were clearly depicted as squishing against the floor. For some reason it seems like organic ruby (or diamond, or steel) should be more stiff and inflexible than skin, and thus you wouldn't get the same kind of boob-squash against a flat surface.

I'm probably oversharing again.

-D
Steel is for want of a better word 'flexible/bendable'. So Colossus can move because he can 'bend ' (a steel knife can be bent). When Colussus got beat up by the Hulk, he got dented, since steel can be dented. You can't bend a diamond. You can break it or shatter it, like what happened to Emma in the Morrison run, but she should just be an immobile statue when in Diamond form. I just remembered (for the LSH fans out there) that Stone Boy just becomes a solid statue when he uses his power. Then they just throw him at targets.
Anyway, its comic books, so organic diamond is bendable/flexible diamond. Scott Summers needs it to be :wink:

[SayOcean]

still having sex with a diamond.....woman part is like doing the deed with a high schooler, sure it may be pretty but your tenderness is sore afterwards

[ReaderX]

Funny. I'd think it'd be more like sticking your rod in Jigsaw's arm trap from last year's movie.

I'm thinking that Destiny may end up dying exactly the same way now as she did before. David is being tested on by Beast's team after all. He could put a crimp in Selene's plans since he has more personalities than the entire former population of Genosha.