Red Robin Question: How Does Tim Know?

[WorstThingUS]

Maybe I've missed it, but exactly how does Tim know to look for cave drawings? I mean, we know because we saw the last panel of Final Crisis, but how does Tim know because there's no way he should. And if he knows to look for Bruce lost in time, how the hell does no one else know considering they've had a million years more experience with this sort of thing?

[taintedshimmer]

We're not sure. My speculation?

He saw the smashed things and suddenly went "He's alive!" It's possibly he connected it with the shattering worlds from Infinite Crisis and the Omega Sanction (sending the person to different realities) and realised that this is what may have happened to Bruce, meaning he's out there in a different reality or time.

Everyone else believes that Bruce is dead because there is a body but it's likely to be an Alternate Bruce's body, which I think Tim has figured out but he doesn't want people telling him he's gone off the deep end (as was his conversation with Cassie) so he's hiding his theories,

[AiyokuSama]

Maybe I've missed it, but exactly how does Tim know to look for cave drawings?

I doubt he knew anything. Rather, has a very good detective with a great deal of faith in Bruce's abilities. So with "what if he's still alive" as a starting point, it would only be a question of time to track something down seeing as he is alive.

[WorstThingUS]

I doubt he knew anything. Rather, has a very good detective with a great deal of faith in Bruce's abilities. So with "what if he's still alive" as a starting point, it would only be a question of time to track something down seeing as he is alive.

Yeah, but there's a gigantic hole between "I have faith he survived" and looking for thousand year old cave drawings.

So basically, no. There's been no reason given as of yet as to how Tim knows to look for Bruce's prehistoric etchings.

[Ruthless_Pryde]

If you got stuck in pre-history and you needed to leave a message showing that you were still alive and letting other know where you were, what would you do: Leave messages on cave walls too.

You know that they still exist in our time and someone will see something that you left.

It's not fool proof, but it would give you hope.

[Sn4tcH]

If you look at Page 8 of Red Robin number 4, Tim has a fossil that is vaguely the shape of a Batarang. It's the object Tim was stealing in Berlin in #3.

It's an assumption, but Tim probably decided to go to the area where the fossil was found. That's where they found the cave drawing.

[WorstThingUS]

If you look at Page 8 of Red Robin number 4, Tim has a fossil that is vaguely the shape of a Batarang. It's the object Tim was stealing in Berlin in #3.

It's an assumption, but Tim probably decided to go to the area where the fossil was found. That's where they found the cave drawing.

Yeah, but how'd he know about or get the fossil? We haven't seen that yet, have we?

[Sn4tcH]

I kind of assumed that Ra's had told him about it. I am working on a lot of assumptions though...

[WorstThingUS]

I kind of assumed that Ra's had told him about it. I am working on a lot of assumptions though...

Oooooh, that changes a lot, because Ra's is centuries old, meaning he may have seen something in the past that had no meaning for him until now. Okay, now it makes some sense. Thanks!

That said, I'm enjoying the Red Robin series though the art continues to suck out loud. It looks like the crude, early stages of an artist before they fully develop their technique.

[numberONE]

That said, I'm enjoying the Red Robin series though the art continues to suck out loud. It looks like the crude, early stages of an artist before they fully develop their technique.

Don't worry, there's a new artist next arc.

[Don't pee in the (Dead)pool]

Oooooh, that changes a lot, because Ra's is centuries old, meaning he may have seen something in the past that had no meaning for him until now. Okay, now it makes some sense. Thanks!


Now that would be a nice twist and would make a lot of sense.
I'm enjoying Red Robin too and can't wait to see how Tim fares on his next mission.

[Psavell2]

I think Chris Yost is deliberately holding back the exact reason why Tim thinks Bruce is alive, and how he knew to look for the cave painting. I know that in my case it makes me want to keep reading to find out, which I think is his intention.

[Captain Jim]

Don't worry, there's a new artist next arc.

Actually, it's next issue.

[the Hornet]

Maybe I've missed it, but exactly how does Tim know to look for cave drawings? I mean, we know because we saw the last panel of Final Crisis, but how does Tim know because there's no way he should. And if he knows to look for Bruce lost in time, how the hell does no one else know considering they've had a million years more experience with this sort of thing?


I just hope that when Bruce returns, there is a logical explanation to why Time is so sure Bruce is alive.I mean, I know Tim is right but his reasoning to why he feels Bruce is alive is not solid. Why is he of all the people who cared about Bruce, the only one to believe this?

Something like a behind the scenes telepathic suggestion would be cool.

Otherwise, Red Robin sounds cool.

[AiyokuSama]

Yeah, but there's a gigantic hole between "I have faith he survived" and looking for thousand year old cave drawings.

So basically, no. There's been no reason given as of yet as to how Tim knows to look for Bruce's prehistoric etchings.

I think you're focusing to narrowly. There's nothing to say that he's only been looking at cave drawings. More likely he cast a wide net and this is what he came up with.

[AiyokuSama]

I kind of assumed that Ra's had told him about it.

That is a very interesting idea. Though I doubt it would have been an overt thing, more like Ra's arranging for Tim to find things. Of course, if that's the case, Tim is going to be furious about being manipulated. Again.

[Jmacq1]

I dunno, given his behavior I tend to think the obsessive, crazy NEED for Bruce to be alive came first. Actual evidence that he might not be quite as dead as folks thought was probably a distant second.

Even Tim admits how messed up in the head he is right now, and how badly all the losses he suffered in the last year or two have affected him.

Heck, even with a cave painting and a prehistoric batarang, if they're both from the same period, the logical conclusion would be that whoever made them died in prehistory of old age. Admittedly, time travel could solve that dilemma. Or the possibility, however faint, that Tim knows/discovered something about the Omega Sanction that makes him believe there's still a chance for Bruce.

[Mat001]

I just hope that when Bruce returns, there is a logical explanation to why Time is so sure Bruce is alive.I mean, I know Tim is right but his reasoning to why he feels Bruce is alive is not solid. Why is he of all the people who cared about Bruce, the only one to believe this?

Something like a behind the scenes telepathic suggestion would be cool.

Otherwise, Red Robin sounds cool.

Tim told Conner that they don't know what all the Omega Beams do. Sure, Superman is the most experienced among them to know, but even he didn't know about the Omega Sanction. The ones who do know are on Earth-51. This is why Conner believes Tim despite no proof, only a haunch.

[Captain Jim]

Dan Didio said this recently:


First is that we wanted to address the fact that we always felt Tim was the greater detective of all the Robins that existed. And I think that's one of the reasons why he's extremely motivated to find the answers here. Whether or not he has absolute belief that Bruce is alive, or whether he's holding on desperately to something he wants to believe in is something that plays out over the course of the story. It gives him a little more motivation and a little more heart to what he's doing.

But the events that take place in what he finds out does capture and does get totally involved in all the events involving Batman next year, and in World's Finest as well.

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/091026-Didio-10-Questions.html

[Spiffy]

If you got stuck in pre-history and you needed to leave a message showing that you were still alive and letting other know where you were, what would you do: Leave messages on cave walls too.

You know that they still exist in our time and someone will see something that you left.

It's not fool proof, but it would give you hope.
Well yeah. If a.) they figure out you time traveled and b.) know which of the 6 zillion caves in the world to look in (even having a pretty specific fossil would likely only knock it down to a few hundred thousand caves...)

So lets say... "its magic". Not sure we're gonna do much better with this one. :tongue:

[HopeLantern]

Actually suprised Tim hasn't received a "Hope" ring yet in BN...