Incredible Hulk #603 *Spoilers*

[Shai Hulud]

....I just want to say that Bruce Banner is the smartest man on earth !!!!!!!!!

lollll

Strength augmentation shield and pocket teleporter handbag .....FTW !!!!!!!!


The Pak's Resourceful Banner haters can go to hell...:cool:

[CMBMOOL]

I have to ask does this take place after Wolverine Origins ?

Also what did Logan say towards Banner's plan of having their sons duke it out ? :evilsmile:

[Shai Hulud]

Before origins,

and he agrees with banner after banner explains him his plan.Banner want his son to bound and make friend with Daken (cause Daken has abandonned the idea of killing his father.

[Samuraixsithlord]

so who won the fight? Skaar or Daken.

[Talisman]

Can I get a spoiler/review?

[Dog]

Before origins,

and he agrees with banner after banner explains him his plan.Banner want his son to bound and make friend with Daken (cause Daken has abandonned the idea of killing his father.

He has????

[PatchMadripoor]

He has????


When Daken realized he was being played by Romulus, back in Origins.

He's not above pissing off his dad, though.

[ResIpsaLoquitur]

Meanwhile, I see that the Leader is back. And he's brought his original head with him.

[Mechano]

Can I get a spoiler/review?


yes,please. i don't get my books until the first of every month... isn't that sad? :frown: :frown: :frown:

[stingerman]

Ehhh, Pak's gone Loeb if you ask me....

[Sean Whitmore]

If I had to describe this issue in a word, it would be "masturbatory".


SEAN

[Sighphi]

The Pak's Resourceful Banner haters can go to hell...:cool:

Pak's Banner has turned into the Professor.

[Robogeek28]

I still say he's a merged/complete being now, he's MUCH too cocky to be the old Bruce Banner.

[Hrungr]

I thought both of this week's Pak issues were great. We get a little hint of Banner's true motives here when he tells Logan of his hopes that Skaar will be able to make some kind of peace with the Hulk in the same way that Daken has stopped trying to kill his Dad (at least this week). Of course it's looking like that hope may be doomed to failure. I'm increasingly getting the feeling that the Hulk is going to be forced into a situation where he will have to kill Skaar in WWHs.

I'm thoroughly enjoying the "BANNERTECH" angle Pak going with here and this issue has Bruce at his most Grey Hulk-like yet. I liked the standoff with Bruce/Logan & Daken/Skaar where we get a glimpse of Bruce's dark side. Shades of things to come?

"None of you know who I really am."

He essentially admits he that killed his father deliberately (rather than accidentally) and later he muses that maybe he became the Hulk to protect the world from Banner. Which would be an interesting spin on their dynamic.

[Robogeek28]

"None of you know who I really am."

He essentially admits he that killed his father deliberately (rather than accidentally) and later he muses that maybe he became the Hulk to protect the world from Banner. Which would be an interesting spin on their dynamic.

Kinda reminds me of the old "What If?" comic where Bruce Banner was the monster and the Hulk was the man.

[DarienA]

I still say he's a merged/complete being now, he's MUCH too cocky to be the old Bruce Banner.

Yeah I definitely think there's been some spillover at the very least here... with that being said I love the new attitude.

I'm thoroughly enjoying the "BANNERTECH" angle Pak going with here and this issue has Bruce at his most Grey Hulk-like yet. I liked the standoff with Bruce/Logan & Daken/Skaar where we get a glimpse of Bruce's dark side. Shades of things to come?

"None of you know who I really am."

He essentially admits he that killed his father deliberately (rather than accidentally) and later he muses that maybe he became the Hulk to protect the world from Banner. Which would be an interesting spin on their dynamic.

Indeed.

[Majinoaw]

Pak is taking a different style toward this part of his run on the Hulk. Even the art reflects that. But the question remains what is Banner? He's far more different than he was since PAd's run? Dude was pretty tough even during his reemergence in the Cross roads saga.

[Talisman]

yes,please. i don't get my books until the first of every month... isn't that sad? :frown: :frown: :frown:
No, I get mine every couple weeks.

[Dr. Chaos]

Man...I loved the mini but Van Lente is bombing hard with the back up (sorry, Fred).

Dang, what the heck happened?

It's really kind of missing some of the fun and humor of the first story and it probably would have been a better idea to hold off on new villains and throw something a lil more established as a challenge at her. I know they setup the whole Origins thing in the mini but still, I think I would be willing to wait for a pay off on that to get a gratuitous slugfest between her and Hercules, The Absorbing man or something instead.

Kind of disappointed in the new Banner, he's too cocky and smug and not whiny/angsty enough.

I like Banner's smarts (my near constant hatred of Loeb's Green Hulk IQ will attest to that) but I've always wanted to see him more as a darker introspective character than a wise guy with super guns and shields.

Things are going too well for him so hopefully his life will go back to crap soon after the events of The List issue.

Good issue though. Would have preferred to see Skaar rack up a lil more battle damage on Daken but oh well. Guess it makes sense that Skaar lost but after getting the best of Juggernaut, I didn't think he would get tore to shreds like this. Owch.

[Doc Goblin]

Greg Pak is an amazing writer.

Why do I say that after reading this issue?

Because he made Daken bearable. I hate Daken. He's such an terrible character and the very few issues of Wolverine: Origin and Dark Wolverine I have read reinforced that impression with how heavy-handedly "awesome" the writers try to make him out to be. I'm a Bendis fan, and even he hasn't written a Daken I could stand. Though Bendis doesn't seem particularly interested in writing Daken at all. But Pak with this issue? Daken was actually not so bad. I enjoyed the character well enough.

I really enjoyed the whole issue. I love Skaar but was totally fine seeing Daken get the best of him here. After the Juggerant win, it's nice to know that this won't become the same sort of redundant slugfest that World War Hulk was.

I'm enjoying how Pak writes Banner too. I'd like to think the edge to his character comes from the fact that he can't turn into the Hulk anymore. Not being able to exorcise all that rage in him that way has to be having some effect on him. His scientific resourcefulness is pretty cool too. Pak is managing to portray in it a way that doesn't come off as too over-the-top.

The only thing I disliked about this issue was a relatively small thing. I didn't care for Pak reiterating the kind of goofy idea that Hulk can rampage through destroying towns without killing anyone. Still not a fan of that concept. Not that I want Hulk to be a mass murder. But to flat out say he's able to wreak all that havoc while purposely not killing anyone kind of sucks all the drama and tension out of Hulk's rampages.

The back-up feature was a good read too. I was hoping for a little more A.R.M.O.R. action when it was first announced, but this is still some good stuff.

[TheCrisisKid]

This issue kicked butt! I love smarty Banner, and am growing on Skaar. I wish he'd switch back to kid form for a little while, though.

[Global Honored]

If Banner is as brilliant as he thinks he is, how is it that he can't differentiate Funyuns from Regular ol' Potato Chips? Seriously. Major flaw in this issue that I cant get past. Hopefully they will clear it up in trade format.

[CMBMOOL]

I have to admit, Pak does bring in some interesting light on the whole Hulk vs Banner dynamic. :frown:
I mean even PAD sort of hinted that Banner had some evil side within him during his run.

And to see the Leader again, make me think that this will lead into the Fall of the Hulks storyline. :biggrin:

[Sean Whitmore]

I mean even PAD sort of hinted that Banner had some evil side within him during his run.

That's true, and I loved that about his run.

The difference is, he hinted at it. Pak is taking a bullhorn and saying, "By the way, in case you didn't know, Banner is super cool with awesome sauce! Por cierto, en caso de que no lo sabía, Banner es super cool con salsa awesome! Soit dit en passant, au cas où vous ne le saviez pas, Banner est super cool avec de la sauce awesome!"


SEA!

[Mechano]

That's true, and I loved that about his run.

The difference is, he hinted at it. Pak is taking a bullhorn and saying, "By the way, in case you didn't know, Banner is super cool with awesome sauce! Por cierto, en caso de que no lo sabía, Banner es super cool con salsa awesome! Soit dit en passant, au cas où vous ne le saviez pas, Banner est super cool avec de la sauce awesome!"


SEA!

deaf and mentally handicapped people need to know that banner is awesome, too... don't descriminate against them.

[NYGiants167]

Great issue by Pak. Pak is really hitting this out of the park. The backup is okay but could be better. I agree with Doc Goblin, Hulk has to have killed people. It is impossible to rampage and destroy a city and not kill anyone. I enjoyed the banter between Banner and Logan. Pak has a good handle on the Daken character as well. The art is fantastic as well. This is definitely the better Hulk book. No question, Loeb's Hulk isn't terrible but it is just mindless fun while Pak's Hulk book is more serious, it does have a lighter side but it isn't over the top

[Freakzeek]

God I hate Pak's Banner, how does he suddenly go from this agnsty whiney scientist for years, to OMG Pocket Portals & I'm a Badass mode in the span of three issues?

[Drdmx]

I thought both of this week's Pak issues were great. We get a little hint of Banner's true motives here when he tells Logan of his hopes that Skaar will be able to make some kind of peace with the Hulk in the same way that Daken has stopped trying to kill his Dad (at least this week). Of course it's looking like that hope may be doomed to failure. I'm increasingly getting the feeling that the Hulk is going to be forced into a situation where he will have to kill Skaar in WWHs.

I'm thoroughly enjoying the "BANNERTECH" angle Pak going with here and this issue has Bruce at his most Grey Hulk-like yet. I liked the standoff with Bruce/Logan & Daken/Skaar where we get a glimpse of Bruce's dark side. Shades of things to come?

"None of you know who I really am."

He essentially admits he that killed his father deliberately (rather than accidentally) and later he muses that maybe he became the Hulk to protect the world from Banner. Which would be an interesting spin on their dynamic.


Great sum up! Im stoked to hear this about Banner and whole-heartedly excited about Pak taking him in this direction. I cant wait to see where Banner ends up. If you've paid attention to the FLASHBACK era that Marvel did back in the 90's (I believe), and the following few issues that PAD did afterwards, you know Banner coming to terms with killing his father is a huge development for the character. He literally can go almost any direction.


For years we've seen him as this tragic character that gets chased from one town to another, and somehow escapes to run into the same plot next issue. I dont think there is one thing wrong with the character not being a victim for a change... even if that means going down a dark path. Great work Pak, keep it up!

[Hrungr]

God I hate Pak's Banner, how does he suddenly go from this agnsty whiney scientist for years, to OMG Pocket Portals & I'm a Badass mode in the span of three issues?
As far as Banner's scientific genius goes, Pak's just re-establishing him as he used to be in the early days where he would create all sorts of high tech gear (eg. time machine gun, artificial intelligence, armor that could withstand nuclear explosions, gamma bomb grenade, all kinds of specialized weapons and so on.). As far as the attitude goes you have to look no further than his now green eyes. There's definitely some Hulk influence/merging of the personalities.

[Hrungr]

Great sum up! Im stoked to hear this about Banner and whole-heartedly excited about Pak taking him in this direction. I cant wait to see where Banner ends up. If you've paid attention to the FLASHBACK era that Marvel did back in the 90's (I believe), and the following few issues that PAD did afterwards, you know Banner coming to terms with killing his father is a huge development for the character. He literally can go almost any direction.
Indeed. This does remind me of PAD's last issue on the Hulk (before the Nightmare Island arc) where Banner had a kind of similar attitude and was saying his goodbye's to Rick. At the end he reveals his green eyes before he leaves. And at the end of the day you can't really fault Banner if he's finally decided that he's taken enough crap and high time to take charge of his life.

For years we've seen him as this tragic character that gets chased from one town to another, and somehow escapes to run into the same plot next issue. I dont think there is one thing wrong with the character not being a victim for a change... even if that means going down a dark path. Great work Pak, keep it up!
Yeah, I'm very curious to see what his endgame is here. Pak did tease that after WWHs he's going to take him in a direction he's never been before.

[LordSMVS]

so who won the fight? Skaar or Daken.

Daken. His pheromones don't quite work effectively on Skaar and he gets tossed around a bit while mouthing off. But when they actually do fight he and the muramasa blade takes it.

Also, my favorite part: Daken hearts Daddy. :smile:

[Dr. Chaos]

Daken. His pheromones don't quite work effectively on Skaar and he gets tossed around a bit while mouthing off. But when they actually do fight he and the muramasa blade takes it.

Also my favorite part: Daken hearts Daddy. :smile:
The interesting thing about the two sons to me is that Skaar is essentially good, he takes a harsher stand from The Hulk and isn't afraid to kill but he cares about justice and ultimately can't turn away from it.

Daken on the other hand is a sick puppy. While Skaar just needs a lil help to get on the right track, Daken takes sadistic pleasure in his morally blood red actions.

Theres not much separating him from falling completely over the fence and into the same bad mental part of town as demented irredeemable freaks like Bullseye if he hasn't reached that status yet.

[KPhilipsen]

The interesting thing about the two sons to me is that Skaar is essentially good, he takes a harsher stand from The Hulk and isn't afraid to kill but he cares about justice and ultimately can't turn away from it.

Daken on the other hand is a sick puppy. While Skaar just needs a lil help to get on the right track, Daken takes sadistic pleasure in his morally blood red actions.

Theres not much separating him from falling completely over the fence and into the same bad mental part of town as demented irredeemable freaks like Bullseye if he hasn't reached that status yet.

I love that Skaar is willing to kill. To me it is a much more realistic attitude and comparable to a soldier or police officer. Any police officer would shoot and kill a villain that was threatening the general public. Why should the heros be any different?

I'd much rather see the villains return based on their powersets rather than the heros giving them a free pass. For example The Leader could psychically transfer his conciousness to a waiting mindless clone that he would have stored away in a safehouse. The Abomination could regenerate from death given a long enough recovery period. Good luck killing the Juggernaut etc.

[Fatguy]

I thought this issue was a lot of fun. Pak writes a fantastic Daken.

[The Big G]

Daken and Skaarr are now BFFs lol:cool:

[Mr Fixit]

Daken and Skaarr are now BFFs lol:cool:

The idea behind Banners dark side is quite compeling as from the very start you have to ask the question:

What did one of THE smartest people on the planet think a gamma bomb would be used for?

and

How truely peaceful is a man that creates a weapon as destructive as the gamma bomb in the first place?

Now Banner has always shown guilt and I don't think he is an evil man but I think he has as manner sinister drives as any guy with an ego.
Thing with Banner is that his ego was always being demeaned by Hulk,Ross and various villians AND he never truley found he was able to feel emotions properly.

Thing is with recent traumatic events...Planet Hulk,World War Hulk and Red Hulk apprently absorbing the green Hulk out of him not only has he got freedom but a brazen confiedence.

He may get a little drunk on both of those...who can tell.

[Talkie Toaster]

The difference is, he hinted at it.


PAD gave us the Maestro and said "look this is Banner in 50 years". That's a little more then a subtle hint

[Mechano]

that looks effin' amazing. how are there actually people that don't like the inc hulk? and hopefully the Leader is getting ready to reestablish himself as the Hulk's number 1 nemesis...

[Chase_Stein]

that looks effin' amazing. how are there actually people that don't like the inc hulk? and hopefully the Leader is getting ready to reestablish himself as the Hulk's number 1 nemesis...

I agree. I never really liked the Hulk as a character because I found him too brutish for my tastes. But, this Banner and Skaar dynamic is just the best. Also, Pak made Daken much more likeable (something that I thought would never happen in my lifetime).

[Scavenger]

The idea behind Banners dark side is quite compeling as from the very start you have to ask the question:

What did one of THE smartest people on the planet think a gamma bomb would be used for?

and

How truely peaceful is a man that creates a weapon as destructive as the gamma bomb in the first place?


I ssem to recall it being said that the idea of the gamma bomb is that it would destroy technology, but leave people unhurt.

Still not a man of peace thing...but fits a little better.

[mikekerr3]

I ssem to recall it being said that the idea of the gamma bomb is that it would destroy technology, but leave people unhurt.

Still not a man of peace thing...but fits a little better.

Originally if was just a big bomb to scare the russians with.

[Sean Whitmore]

PAD gave us the Maestro and said "look this is Banner in 50 years".

No, he said, "Look, this is the Hulk in 50 years."

You don't actually need to be subtle when you take a dangerous, violent monster and extrapolate that he's gonna be even more dangerous and violent in the future.

You should be subtle if you're gonna suggest that the good-hearted, "puny" human half is actually the greater threat.


SEAN

[Talkie Toaster]

No, he said, "Look, this is the Hulk in 50 years."


All later 'professor' retcons aside, both the Hulk and the Maestro had Banner's mind in control of the Hulk's body.
Hell, first thing the Hulk and Maestro said when they met was "Dr. Banner, I presume?"

[DarienA]

I'm really liking this exploration of Banner.

[The ?]

Am i the only one more interested in whether or not Skaar actually "begged" Daken to kill him and, if so, why?

[Hrungr]

Am i the only one more interested in whether or not Skaar actually "begged" Daken to kill him and, if so, why?
We've seen in the Planet Skaar arc that his "puny human(-ish)" side has a different personality than his Hulk side and he clearly hates his alter ego. He tried to commit suicide then too.

The weird thing is that in Skaar's battle with Juggernaut we've seen him revert to his human form while still in possession of his "Hulk" personality.

[CMBMOOL]

We've seen in the Planet Skaar arc that his "puny human(-ish)" side has a different personality than his Hulk side and he clearly hates his alter ego. He tried to commit suicide then too.

The weird thing is that in Skaar's battle with Juggernaut we've seen him revert to his human form while still in possession of his "Hulk" personality.

So in a way it's similar to his father's battle with his Hulk side ? :confused:

[Sighphi]

So a magical blade that stops mutant healing factors that was scientifically infused on a person can also stop healing factors that are not mutant based?

[Hrungr]

So in a way it's similar to his father's battle with his Hulk side ? :confused:
Pretty much. Skaar's done a good job at keeping him repressed though, that's only the 3rd time we've seen him revert to human.

So a magical blade that stops mutant healing factors that was scientifically infused on a person can also stop healing factors that are not mutant based?
Yeah it kinda made me go wtf as well, but that's comic book physics for ya.

[jigrig]

I hope Pak makes the world believe Banner is the real threat & the heroes sympathize with Hulk.
Imagine, Richards & Co. trying to keep Hulk from changing back to Banner, then again, maybe not.

[CPN73]

Banner to me , now , is definitely more dangerous than the Hulk , I love this issue and the way this is written. I would also say this is the first book that really shows how dangerous Daken can be when given to the right storyteller. Daken deserves props here because he decimated Hulk Jr , not only with sheer savagery but reeled him in from the get go with the mind play. Awesome read.

[Expletive Deleted]

Just a quick reminder: CBR's limit for scans is three pages. We don't want to get scans_daily'd.

[Robogeek28]

So a magical blade that stops mutant healing factors that was scientifically infused on a person can also stop healing factors that are not mutant based?

Well technically Skaar is a mutant/hybrid.

[FlyingFox]

Well technically Skaar is a mutant/hybrid.

Are you talking about Marvel mutants or just normal everyday mutants? Because neither the Hulk or Caeira are "homo superior".

[Talkie Toaster]

We've seen in the Planet Skaar arc that his "puny human(-ish)" side has a different personality than his Hulk side and he clearly hates his alter ego. He tried to commit suicide then too.

The weird thing is that in Skaar's battle with Juggernaut we've seen him revert to his human form while still in possession of his "Hulk" personality.


I didn't really see it as him trying to commit suicide, but as him trying to lure out Banner and Logan who he knew were watching. I've come to see Skaar as being rather sneaky.

[Sighphi]

Well technically Skaar is a mutant/hybrid.

???
He is half alien half radio active monster.

[Talkie Toaster]

???
He is half alien half radio active monster.


Well I believe the MU definition of mutant is someone who was born with his superpowers.
So Skaar is a radioactive alien mutant

[Sighphi]

Well I believe the MU definition of mutant is someone who was born with his superpowers.
So Skaar is a radioactive alien mutant

No, a mutant is some one with the X-gene.
People without that gene are not, it doesnt matter if they have powers.

[Talkie Toaster]

No, a mutant is some one with the X-gene.
People without that gene are not, it doesnt matter if they have powers.

In that case you'll have to wait until someone gives Skaar a DNA test

[mikekerr3]

Well I believe the MU definition of mutant is someone who was born with his superpowers.
So Skaar is a radioactive alien mutant

Mutant at Marvel doesn't mean what the word means in english

[Drdmx]

I'm betting within the next issue or two we get a first good look at what could be a new Persona for Banner. The more i think about this, I think that this will be some sort of Dark Banner. I wonder if at the end of it all, it'll have to be Skaar that stops him.


Back to the next ish or so; I'm thinking Bruce puts Leader in his proper ranking of intellectuals. My only thing is that I dont think it'll be simply outsmarting the Leader, I think he's going to amaze Sam Sterns as to what he's willing to do, or the depths/underhandedness he's willing to sink to.


I dont want to chalk up the way Banners acting to simply being the Maestro. While I think PADs future imperfect was epic, I think... like any classic movie it should be left alone for now. Remember what Banner said about the Hulk being there to protect everyone from himself? That makes me think about the Green Scar; how he allowed himself to be taken out by Stark in the end, and him stating how he hates everyone almost as much as he hates himself. I'm telling you... things to come peops!

[Drdmx]

So a magical blade that stops mutant healing factors that was scientifically infused on a person can also stop healing factors that are not mutant based?

I would say yes.. since it's magical and all. I dont think that requires much suspension of belief within the book.

[KPhilipsen]

In that case you'll have to wait until someone gives Skaar a DNA test

Now you're just being silly. Skaar's healing factor is a result of his Hulk parentage not of some highly unlikely x-gene. Do you really think Skaar is going to have Hulk powers, the Old Power AND a x-gene power? Might as well just surrender the planet to him now.

[DarienA]

Back to the next ish or so; I'm thinking Bruce puts Leader in his proper ranking of intellectuals. My only thing is that I dont think it'll be simply outsmarting the Leader, I think he's going to amaze Sam Sterns as to what he's willing to do, or the depths/underhandedness he's willing to sink to.

The look on the Sterns face.... oh that would be so awesome...

[Sighphi]

I would say yes.. since it's magical and all. I dont think that requires much suspension of belief within the book.

Well, the blade was specifically made to stop wolverine-like healing factors. Needless to say....... the Hulks dont have Wolverine-like healing factors, so it was just upgraded to, apparently, cut any healing factor.

[Drdmx]

The look on the Sterns face.... oh that would be so awesome...

Ha! Take it a step farther... could you imagine the dialogue? All this time Leaders been after the Hulks strength, when the real danger was Banners intelligence all along.

[Drdmx]

Well, the blade was specifically made to stop wolverine-like healing factors. Needless to say....... the Hulks dont have Wolverine-like healing factors, so it was just upgraded to, apparently, cut any healing factor.

Via Marvels Database:

"The sword is also capable of greatly reducing the efficiency of a superhumanly fast healing rate."

http://marvel.wikia.com/Muramasa_blade

It was made FOR Wolverine to wield specifically, not only on his "type" of healing factor. Also, theres the mention of the red ingredient in the blade, which hasnt been established yet in canon. Furthermore, its mystical. Anything mystical can pretty much be chalked up to all-encompassing. Like I said, it's not a big suspension of belief.

[Sighphi]

Comic says otherwise.
Comic wins!

[Scavenger]

Remember what Banner said about the Hulk being there to protect everyone from himself?

Pak has had numerous comments made about the Hulk only being dangerous if you bug him...I think in the List, Osbourne says that explicitly..if you leave him alone, he'll leave you alone. Hulk is reactive...Banner is pro-active.

[Monty_Cristo]

has the Leader messed with any heroes besides Hulk.

[The ?]

We've seen in the Planet Skaar arc that his "puny human(-ish)" side has a different personality than his Hulk side and he clearly hates his alter ego. He tried to commit suicide then too.

The weird thing is that in Skaar's battle with Juggernaut we've seen him revert to his human form while still in possession of his "Hulk" personality.

Ah. belated thanks from someone who's now regretting never bothering to read Skaar.

[Monty_Cristo]

is the Leader smarter than Doom?

[Talkie Toaster]

Now you're just being silly. Skaar's healing factor is a result of his Hulk parentage not of some highly unlikely x-gene. Do you really think Skaar is going to have Hulk powers, the Old Power AND a x-gene power? Might as well just surrender the planet to him now.


I'm not even being that silly (within the context of an already silly discussion)
Franklin Richards' parents were bombarded by cosmic rays to get their powers, yet he himself is a mutant.
I can't think of anyone in the MU who was born with their powers and isn't classified as either a god or a mutant

[dabig2]

I'm not even being that silly (within the context of an already silly discussion)
Franklin Richards' parents were bombarded by cosmic rays to get their powers, yet he himself is a mutant.
I can't think of anyone in the MU who was born with their powers and isn't classified as either a god or a mutant

What is agent Brand regarded as? She hangs out with the mutants a lot it seems and she herself is a human/alien hybrid I believe.

[Talkie Toaster]

What is agent Brand regarded as? She hangs out with the mutants a lot it seems and she herself is a human/alien hybrid I believe.

Dunno, but I would say that with human/alien hybrids you first have to ask the question if they have abilities that go beyond the abilities of either species.
For instance, shapeshifting would be a superpower for a human, but not for a skrull.

Edit:
Additional: Skaar is a human/alien hybrid. Human because there is no Hulk-species. The Hulk is the manifestation of the superpower of Bruce Banner. If Banner is able to pass on his radiation-induced mutation to his offspring in a different genetic marker than the x-gene, shouldn't THAT cause a stir amongst X-people?

[Talkie Toaster]

is the Leader smarter than Doom?


Probably depends on what you define as smarter. The Leader could probably take a machine apart and put it back together a lot faster than Doom. But where it comes to strategical insight and experience Doom is far greater.
Before he became the Leader, Sam was carting away waste material in a wheelbarrow. Doom was already securing his position as ruler of Latveria by then.

[dabig2]

Dunno, but I would say that with human/alien hybrids you first have to ask the question if they have abilities that go beyond the abilities of either species.
For instance, shapeshifting would be a superpower for a human, but not for a skrull.

Edit:
Additional: Skaar is a human/alien hybrid. Human because there is no Hulk-species. The Hulk is the manifestation of the superpower of Bruce Banner. If Banner is able to pass on his radiation-induced mutation to his offspring in a different genetic marker than the x-gene, shouldn't THAT cause a stir amongst X-people?


Sounds like a Namor situation then. He's regarded as a mutant as his ability to fly and his superior strength far outclasses both his human side and his atlantean side.

And Skaar's powers go beyond both of his parent's species due in large part to his gamma-fied daddy (who he himself has gone beyond human). I guess the only thing to wonder is if he's in a different class than types like namor because his mother is not from an earth-based species.

[KPhilipsen]

I'm not even being that silly (within the context of an already silly discussion)
Franklin Richards' parents were bombarded by cosmic rays to get their powers, yet he himself is a mutant.
I can't think of anyone in the MU who was born with their powers and isn't classified as either a god or a mutant

Hulkling for one. Alien hybrids in the marvel universe have never been classified as mutants. To be a mutant in the marvel universe requires an x-gene which is very unlikely for Skaar to possess. As far as Franklin being a mutant that makes sense given the history of mutants in the marvel universe. ie; originating from the power cosmic.

"Most of the superhumans in Marvel's Earth owe their powers to the Celestials, cosmic entities who visited Earth millions of years ago and experimented on our prehistoric ancestors (a process they also carried out on several other planets). This resulted in the creation of two hidden races, the godlike Eternals and the genetically unstable Deviants, in addition to giving some humans an "x-factor" in their genes, which sometimes activates naturally, resulting in sometimes superpowered, sometimes disfigured individuals called mutants."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_universe

[KPhilipsen]

Dunno, but I would say that with human/alien hybrids you first have to ask the question if they have abilities that go beyond the abilities of either species.
For instance, shapeshifting would be a superpower for a human, but not for a skrull.

Edit:
Additional: Skaar is a human/alien hybrid. Human because there is no Hulk-species. The Hulk is the manifestation of the superpower of Bruce Banner. If Banner is able to pass on his radiation-induced mutation to his offspring in a different genetic marker than the x-gene, shouldn't THAT cause a stir amongst X-people?

Banner has been shown to pass on Hulk traits to his offspring in numerous instances. For instance the Son of Hulk and Old Man Logan storylines clearly show that Banner's offspring will possess Hulk abilities.

[Sighphi]

I'm not even being that silly (within the context of an already silly discussion)
Franklin Richards' parents were bombarded by cosmic rays to get their powers, yet he himself is a mutant.
I can't think of anyone in the MU who was born with their powers and isn't classified as either a god or a mutant

Can believe im using this, one of the catches to Fury Secret Warriors is that they are all the offspring of super power people and are NOT mutants.

People can be born with powers and not be mutant.
I dont know how long you are been reading comics and how it escaped you but people with the X- gene SPECIFICALLY are mutants, everything else isnt.

[Drdmx]

Nevermind!

[FlyingFox]

Good issue though. Would have preferred to see Skaar rack up a lil more battle damage on Daken but oh well. Guess it makes sense that Skaar lost but after getting the best of Juggernaut, I didn't think he would get tore to shreds like this. Owch.

This. It was shameful to see Skaar humbled so easily.

[BrotherOne]

is the Leader smarter than Doom?

The Leader was originally supposed to be as smart as the Hulk was strong, although Stan Lee and Peter David seemed to be the only ones who actually wrote him that way.

[Monty_Cristo]

The Leader was originally supposed to be as smart as the Hulk was strong, although Stan Lee and Peter David seemed to be the only ones who actually wrote him that way.

that's basically what i'm getting at. shouldn't he kind of be menacing everyone; not just the Hulk? he's supposed to be really smart but never lives up to the rep. it's disappointing.

[Monty_Cristo]

Probably depends on what you define as smarter. The Leader could probably take a machine apart and put it back together a lot faster than Doom. But where it comes to strategical insight and experience Doom is far greater.
Before he became the Leader, Sam was carting away waste material in a wheelbarrow. Doom was already securing his position as ruler of Latveria by then.

i understand all that. but i'm not really factoring in how he got his intelligence. Doom should definately be more experienced. but sometimes powers offset that. like a person could lift weights for years and then Robert Reynolds comes along; gets his Sentry powers. shouldn't Leader be smarter (strategically & mechanically brilliant) because of his augmentation; just as Bruce is stronger than everyone? or does gamma radiation not work like that?

[Venom Melendez]

has the Leader messed with any heroes besides Hulk.


She'Hulk and the Warbound

[AllisterH]

Ok, here's my question.

Why exactly didn't Skaar defeat Daken the same way that he defeated Juggernaut?

[Hrungr]

Ok, here's my question.

Why exactly didn't Skaar defeat Daken the same way that he defeated Juggernaut?
He underestimated him, pure and simple. As Skaar said himself, he prefers to fight without the Old Power as it's more "fun" that way.

[Shai Hulud]

not only that, but Skaar got took by surprise, since he had just turned into his uber self...as puny skaar wanted to die.

[Shai Hulud]

Great analysis of the new Banner here and I completely agree with the guy


http://www.comicbycomic.com/2009/10/whos-monster.html

[mikekerr3]

I'm not even being that silly (within the context of an already silly discussion)
Franklin Richards' parents were bombarded by cosmic rays to get their powers, yet he himself is a mutant.
I can't think of anyone in the MU who was born with their powers and isn't classified as either a god or a mutant

The Word Mutant In the MU has little or nothing to do with the actaul meaning of the word in English, You have to forget science and any knowledge you have and go with the flow of this for it too make any sense all. You have to look as their definition of Mutant in the same light as radioactive Spider bites and gamma radiation doing other than killing.

[Umbra]

Can believe im using this, one of the catches to Fury Secret Warriors is that they are all the offspring of super power people and are NOT mutants.

People can be born with powers and not be mutant.
I dont know how long you are been reading comics and how it escaped you but people with the X- gene SPECIFICALLY are mutants, everything else isnt.

one of them is a mutant...Eden Fesi

[we3ster]

Someonehas already asked who is smarter between the Leader and Doom but who is smarter between the Leader and Banner? Surely it is the Leader?

[Sighphi]

one of them is a mutant...Eden Fesi

I was obviously referring to the team that Fury originally formed and not a character that appeared a year later.

And is that the new teleport dude?
What issue was i said that he was a mutant?

[Venom Melendez]

Someonehas already asked who is smarter between the Leader and Doom but who is smarter between the Leader and Banner? Surely it is the Leader?

Maybe, but Bruce is more cunning.

[Mechano]

i am liking skaar more and more as the series progresses. i hope they don't end up killing him off... or making him into a villain...but htey probably will.

[Venom Melendez]

i am liking skaar more and more as the series progresses. i hope they don't end up killing him off... or making him into a villain...but htey probably will.

Pretty sure it looks like they won't, since it wouldn't make sense.

[Waterlily]

i am liking skaar more and more as the series progresses. i hope they don't end up killing him off... or making him into a villain...but htey probably will.

I wasn't expecting to like Skaar, but the milkshake bit was really cute.


So is the general consensus that lil'Skaar actually asked to be killed?

[Mechano]

I wasn't expecting to like Skaar, but the milkshake bit was really cute.


So is the general consensus that lil'Skaar actually asked to be killed?


either that, or he told him if he tried to kill him it would draw banner and wolvie out?