View Full Version : The big bad behind Dark Reign...(Rumored Spoiler)
XpunkX
10-19-2009, 05:17 PM
SPOILERS
Its Marvelman. Go to Bleedingcool.com
Dr-Strange
10-19-2009, 05:20 PM
Nah... still doubt it.
I didn't read Marvel Man back in the day... but didn't he take over the world or something in his own book?
I wonder if Dark Reign wouldn't sort of be him laying the groundwork for trying to do something similar in the MU. Maybe.
XpunkX
10-19-2009, 05:24 PM
Makes sense thou, who could they pull out as someone so powerful. It could even be a variation on the evil Kid Marvelman concept.
Hrungr
10-19-2009, 05:26 PM
Maybe he meant "Molecule Man".
Dr-Strange
10-19-2009, 05:29 PM
It is either...
The Green Goblin or The Void.
Molecule Man could make sense. It's not as fun as Marvel Man or the Micky Mouse suggestion I've heard in other threads... but it potentially works.
Sighphi
10-19-2009, 05:33 PM
It's
http://imstars.aufeminin.com/stars/fan/eminem/eminem-20070130-204838.jpg
We already saw him messing with Punisher.
http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/979/979917/eminem-teams-with-marvels-punisher-20090505040417104_640w.jpg
XpunkX
10-19-2009, 05:33 PM
Because Molecule Man is not the big web shattering character they recently came under their ownership. Bleeding Cool is a brit site and to them the big MM can only be Marvelman.
Monty_Cristo
10-19-2009, 05:36 PM
yeah anyways. how did Norman come about this alliance? did MM leave some of his DNA on a couch that Osborn saved?
Talisman
10-19-2009, 05:38 PM
It's
http://imstars.aufeminin.com/stars/fan/eminem/eminem-20070130-204838.jpg
We already saw him messing with Punisher.
http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/979/979917/eminem-teams-with-marvels-punisher-20090505040417104_640w.jpg
Why didn't the Punisher shoot him?
Monty_Cristo
10-19-2009, 05:49 PM
Why didn't the Punisher shoot him?
and why does Frank's wrist look like that? that's just weird.
Kasper Cole
10-19-2009, 06:03 PM
Makes sense thou, who could they pull out as someone so powerful. It could even be a variation on the evil Kid Marvelman concept.
It'd have to be VERY different from the original because Kid Miracleman wouldn't take orders from anyone. If Osborn tried KM would literally cut his head off shit down his neck and skull **** him. :tongue:
4sake
10-19-2009, 06:11 PM
Maybe its Sentry's sidekick Scout.
http://marvel.wikia.com/Scout_%28Earth-616%29
http://www.comicvine.com/the-age-of-the-sentry/49-23088/
Sean Walsh
10-19-2009, 06:14 PM
Wow, how.......senseless?
CYOTI
10-19-2009, 06:32 PM
Wow April Fools in October.
Do the months run background or something in the euroverse or is Rich Johnston just that dumb.
Talisman
10-19-2009, 06:34 PM
and why does Frank's wrist look like that? that's just weird.
It's really just Mariah Carey dressed up in her Obsessed video.
Free-Man
10-19-2009, 06:38 PM
I didn't read Marvel Man back in the day... but didn't he take over the world or something in his own book?
I wonder if Dark Reign wouldn't sort of be him laying the groundwork for trying to do something similar in the MU. Maybe.
He did. In the finale of Alan Moore's run, Miracle Man and Miracle Woman conquer the world and install themselves as benevolent rulers. This comes as a result of the apocalyptic battle with Kid Miracle Man.
Wow April Fools in October.
Do the months run background or something in the euroverse or is Rich Johnston just that dumb.
Yeah, this is a gag. A silly one, too.
Fabio13
10-19-2009, 07:25 PM
Since I have never read Miracleman and only know the general history of the character, I'm a bit intrigued. Cautious- but interested.
I could see them setting it up as a "he only wanted the greater good even if it meant being in bed with the devil" type of deal. There's no way I could see them going out of there way and dealing with so much legal crap to get a character only to make him a villain.
Who knows though.
stormultt
10-19-2009, 07:28 PM
if it has anything to do with marvelman its kid marvel.. and that would be shocking and badass as hell to watch the MU feast their eyes on one of the most powerful beings to ever grace comics :biggrin: im excited now!
bebopeva88
10-19-2009, 07:40 PM
Rich THINKS it's Marvelman; it's far from confirmed (and he's frequently wrong, even when reporting with more certainty than he is with this rumor -- see his recent error in reporting Fraction on "Siege of Asgard", among lots of other misses), and I doubt it's true for 3 big reasons:
1) How would any of the Cabal know who MM is? They saw the shadowy figure, and reacted the way Norman hoped they would; Norman openly allowed the Cabal to see the character, and they recognized who it was.
2) Marvel said there'd be no news on Marvel Man for at least the next year at the recent Diamond Retailer Summit.
3) The reveal would fall flat/confuse a large portion of the general comics readership -- the average fan. Marvel needs to first reintroduce the character before ever integrating him into the MU, and it's not a given that they ever will integrate him into the MU (and I really hope that they don't).
if it has anything to do with marvelman its kid marvel.. and that would be shocking and badass as hell to watch the MU feast their eyes on one of the most powerful beings to ever grace comics :biggrin: im excited now!
Kid Marvel Man would be fun (I haven't read his stuff but I wiki'd him... he sounds cool).
Or maybe Sentry is some weird version of Kid Marvel Man. They'd have to play off of some sort of alternate reality thing though.
Monty_Cristo
10-19-2009, 07:42 PM
Rich THINKS it's Marvelman; it's far from confirmed, and I doubt it's true for 3 big reasons:
1) How would any of the Cabal know who MM is? They saw the shadowy figure, and Norman openly allowed the Cabal to see the character.
how'd they know about the Sentry? or Noh-varr? both of those characters were kept somewhat secret.
1) How would any of the Cabal know who MM is? They saw the shadowy figure, and reacted the way Norman wanted to; Norman openly allowed the Cabal to see the character.
Yeah, that's one of the bigger road blocks to the theory.
Maybe they could say Marvel Man existed in the MU in comic book form... sort of like how there was a Sentry comic book in marvel.
So they might recognize the fictional comic book character... and it can later be revealed that the author of the comic was somehow tapped into the alternate universe of MM.
Monty_Cristo
10-19-2009, 07:46 PM
it's not like we weren't just introduced to some forgotten Inhuman.
bebopeva88
10-19-2009, 07:47 PM
how'd they know about the Sentry? or Noh-varr? both of those characters were kept somewhat secret.
In this case, who is the "they" you're referring to?
How the big guns in the MU know about Sentry was covered well in numerous places when it was decided to integrate him in the MU.
Many in the MU knew about Noh-Varr because he freaking attacked NYC and spelled out "F#$% you" in fire across several city blocks. Hard to miss.
it's not like we weren't just introduced to some forgotten Inhuman.
Marvelman makes it a completely different ballgame.
There's a history and a prestige to the character, and he existed in numerous incarnations previously. To have him be Norman's secret big bad willy nilly would be a tremendous disservice to the character, and Marvel seems to be approaching the entire situation with the respect and thoughtfulness that it deserves.
Avenger08
10-19-2009, 07:53 PM
Its the Void. No way in hell its Marvelman. Marvels not that dumb (hopefully)
Sabrinaset
10-19-2009, 07:57 PM
Its the Void. No way in hell its Marvelman. Marvels not that dumb (hopefully)
I wouldn't bet money on that! :wink:
Monty_Cristo
10-19-2009, 07:58 PM
In this case, who is the "they" you're referring to?
How the big guns in the MU know about Sentry was covered well in numerous places when it was decided to integrate him in the MU.
Many in the MU knew about Noh-Varr because he freaking attacked NYC and spelled out "F#$% you" in fire across several city blocks. Hard to miss.
how many people actually know that was Noh-varr? the Young Avengers didn't seem to recognize him. there's a lot about that incident that doesn't jive with current Noh-varr continuity, as well. where's Doc Midas?
StoneGold
10-19-2009, 07:59 PM
Rich THINKS it's Marvelman; it's far from confirmed (and he's frequently wrong, even when reporting with more certainty than he is with this rumor -- see his recent error in reporting Fraction on "Siege of Asgard", among lots of other misses), and I doubt it's true for 3 big reasons:
No, Rich is implying that it's Marvelman. Which doesn't mean he's actually thinking it. Odds are, if he thought it was, he would have said it, instead of the whole MM thing.
Jmacq1
10-19-2009, 08:00 PM
This sounds unlikely. Unless Sentry somehow turns out to be Marvelman/Miracleman in disguise.
Still, I just can't imagine Marvel going this route, because as noted the average reader would be like, "Who?"
The art Rich saw was probably either faked (not like Marvel hasn't done it before), or for a different project.
And yeah, the Cabal should have had the same reaction as the "average reader" above when Osborn showed him his "secret weapon" if it were Marvelman.
coveredinbees
10-19-2009, 08:00 PM
It's Viper.
Goshin
10-19-2009, 08:00 PM
its D-Man, he's been plotting this since Onslaught
Any other MM comic book characters out there that he might be referring to?
We've got Marvel Man, Molecule Man, and Micky Mouse (my personal fave).
Martian Manhunter, but that's not gonna happen.
coveredinbees
10-19-2009, 08:03 PM
its D-Man, he's been plotting this since Onslaught
Ms. Hand is his evil (http://i33.tinypic.com/iwqf6a.jpg) queen (http://i36.tinypic.com/11ay4jr.jpg).
Brother Justin Crowe
10-19-2009, 08:14 PM
Any other MM comic book characters out there that he might be referring to?
We've got Marvel Man, Molecule Man, and Micky Mouse (my personal fave).
Martian Manhunter, but that's not gonna happen.
Per Wikipedia:
Machine Man (This would be amazing. And hysterical.)
Mary MacPherran (Titania? Doubtful.)
Moira MacTaggert (Dead women usually don't scare Loki, Doom and Namor.)
Madame Masque (Uh, no.)
Madame Menace (I don't even know who this is.)
Moses Magnum (Yeah, okay, right.)
Major Mapleleaf (Please? PLEASE!!!!)
Masked Marauder
Masked Marvel
Mass Master
Master Man (Uh, sure. Okay.)
Master Menace
Master Mold (Doom has his own robots.)
Matt Murdock (Yes, Daredevil has been secretly plotting to take over the US for HIS ENTIRE LIFE!)
Midnight Man
Miracle Man
Mist Mistress
Modred the Mystic
Mole Man (Uh...)
Molten Man (Uh...)
Monstro the Mighty
Ms. Marvel (...)
Multiple Man (...really?)
Mutant Master
Per Wikipedia:
Machine Man (This would be amazing. And hysterical.)
Mary MacPherran (Titania? Doubtful.)
Moira MacTaggert (Dead women usually don't scare Loki, Doom and Namor.)
Madame Masque (Uh, no.)
Madame Menace (I don't even know who this is.)
Moses Magnum (Yeah, okay, right.)
Major Mapleleaf (Please? PLEASE!!!!)
Masked Marauder
Masked Marvel
Mass Master
Master Man (Uh, sure. Okay.)
Master Menace
Master Mold (Doom has his own robots.)
Matt Murdock (Yes, Daredevil has been secretly plotting to take over the US for HIS ENTIRE LIFE!)
Midnight Man
Miracle Man
Mist Mistress
Modred the Mystic
Mole Man (Uh...)
Molten Man (Uh...)
Monstro the Mighty
Ms. Marvel (...)
Multiple Man (...really?)
Mutant Master
It would be sort of funny if it turned out to be the OTHER Miracle Man.
Brother Justin Crowe
10-19-2009, 08:19 PM
It would be sort of funny if it turned out to be the OTHER Miracle Man.
Or terrible. Pick your poison.
YouthofToday
10-19-2009, 08:29 PM
Bendis would take so much s*** if it turns out to be Marvelman. He's said from the beginning that he knew who the mystery man was. That issue came out in December, heck he probably wrote it last fall, at that point Marvelman wouldn't haven even been an option.
Monty_Cristo
10-19-2009, 08:33 PM
Ms. Hand is his evil (http://i33.tinypic.com/iwqf6a.jpg) queen (http://i36.tinypic.com/11ay4jr.jpg).
i'm starting to fear that she's really Master Pandemonium. the 'Hand' is just a clue.
Global Honored
10-19-2009, 08:37 PM
Damn...it's Mephisto again!
drinkblatzbeer
10-19-2009, 08:42 PM
wouldn't doubt it...
i remember a few years back mephisto getting a shout out as being big in upcoming books and not just BND...
i still think it's him...
Kasper Cole
10-19-2009, 08:46 PM
Miracleman wouldn't work for the same reason that the Void wouldn't work. Loki and Doom have no idea who either of those characters are let alone who powerful they are.
Miracleman would have to be somehow shoehorned into the past, and that would just piss people off.
The Sentry and Voids past is still largely forgotten by the people of the marvel universe.
Iron Maiden
10-19-2009, 09:08 PM
I never read Marvel Man but from all the talk about the acquistion, it just doesn't make sense that a character this important is relegated to just being Osborn's enforcer. How would they have met?
Kasper Cole
10-19-2009, 09:18 PM
I never read Marvel Man but from all the talk about the acquistion, it just doesn't make sense that a character this important is relegated to just being Osborn's enforcer. How would they have met?
EXACTLY
Miracleman would look at Osborn as beneath him quite frankly....and I already said what Kid Miracleman would do to him.
Alan2099
10-19-2009, 09:22 PM
I still think it's going to be Dr. Bong. He's due for a big push.
bebopeva88
10-19-2009, 09:28 PM
No, Rich is implying that it's Marvelman. Which doesn't mean he's actually thinking it.
By default, implying implies thinking.
I think you mean he doesn't believe it.
Odds are, if he thought it was, he would have said it, instead of the whole MM thing.
So he's implying it's Marvelman, but doesn't believe it's true himself just to stir stuff up? That's taking an unnecessary leap on your part.
Rich has had a long history with reporting about Marvelman/Miracleman, and he's not directly referencing it as such in a non-abbreviated manner to avoid any legal hangups/litigation, which while a longshot, wouldn't be unheard of, given the convoluted, (and still ongoing in some aspects) legal history surrounding the character. It wouldn't be the first time he's avoided actually naming the character.
"Atomik" is in the title of the article, which is something people seem to be ignoring. "Kimota" was Marvelman's phrase used to tap into his powers, a la "Shazam" with Captain Marvel. Kimota backwards is Atomik, which is a wink at the nature of Marvelman's powers.
There's no debate about what the MM is that Rich is referring to.
Monty_Cristo
10-19-2009, 09:30 PM
I never read Marvel Man but from all the talk about the acquistion, it just doesn't make sense that a character this important is relegated to just being Osborn's enforcer. How would they have met?
speed dating or match.com
Miracleman wouldn't work for the same reason that the Void wouldn't work. Loki and Doom have no idea who either of those characters are let alone who powerful they are.
Miracleman would have to be somehow shoehorned into the past, and that would just piss people off.
The Sentry and Voids past is still largely forgotten by the people of the marvel universe.
Shoe horming MM into marvels past would sort of PO people.
But I suppose the nice thing about shoe horning a Superman clone into the MU for the third time is that readers are probably starting to get used to it. We've already got Sentry and Blue Marvel. Give it a few more... by the 7th or 8th guy, I'll wager people won't even notice.
GeneralReadingMan
10-19-2009, 09:49 PM
Molecule Man has already been mentioned as appearing in Dark Avengers, he's also ridiculously powerful, I'd bet on him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecule_Man
Kasper Cole
10-19-2009, 09:50 PM
Shoe horming MM into marvels past would sort of PO people.
But I suppose the nice thing about shoe horning a Superman clone into the MU for the third time is that readers are probably starting to get used to it. We've already got Sentry and Blue Marvel. Give it a few more... by the 7th or 8th guy, I'll wager people won't even notice.
There's a HUGE difference between Miracleman and those other characters go. As I and others have already said his backstory is simply too big and unique to fit into the 616 Marvel universe.
And I still am not a fan of the idea that Sentry and Blue Marvel are "Superman clones".
Scavenger
10-19-2009, 11:37 PM
There's a history and a prestige to the character, and he existed in numerous incarnations previously. To have him be Norman's secret big bad willy nilly would be a tremendous disservice to the character, and Marvel seems to be approaching the entire situation with the respect and thoughtfulness that it deserves.
Especially as the big gun...who I've never understood why people don't think it's just Sentry* has meant nothing...didn't stop Namor or Emma from bailing. Hasn't stopped Loki or Doom from plotting against Norman..
*Yes, he was in shadow to be "mysterious" but the book had seriously crap art...I point to Phil Collins as Namor...so "storytelling attempts" in the art should be ignored.
Scavenger
10-19-2009, 11:39 PM
There's no debate about what the MM is that Rich is referring to.
Maybe it's Rick Vietch's MaxiMortal
StoneGold
10-20-2009, 12:32 AM
By default, implying implies thinking.
I think you mean he doesn't believe it.
So he's implying it's Marvelman, but doesn't believe it's true himself just to stir stuff up? That's taking an unnecessary leap on your part.
Rich has had a long history with reporting about Marvelman/Miracleman, and he's not directly referencing it as such in a non-abbreviated manner to avoid any legal hangups/litigation, which while a longshot, wouldn't be unheard of, given the convoluted, (and still ongoing in some aspects) legal history surrounding the character. It wouldn't be the first time he's avoided actually naming the character.
"Atomik" is in the title of the article, which is something people seem to be ignoring. "Kimota" was Marvelman's phrase used to tap into his powers, a la "Shazam" with Captain Marvel. Kimota backwards is Atomik, which is a wink at the nature of Marvelman's powers.
There's no debate about what the MM is that Rich is referring to.
Hi, welcome to the world of rumor journalism. Is this your first time?
And frankly, no, you're wrong about your first statement. Implying something only means that you are leading someone towards a certain conclusion. Which he might be doing in this case because it puts eyes on his blog. And if/when it turns out not to be Marvel Man, but some other MM named character, he's not wrong.
For instance, remember when Quesada kept saying Speedball was going to die, but it turned out it was just the Speedball ID, not Robbie? Same deal.
bebopeva88
10-20-2009, 01:02 AM
Hi, welcome to the world of rumor journalism. Is this your first time?
And frankly, no, you're wrong about your first statement. Implying something only means that you are leading someone towards a certain conclusion. Which he might be doing in this case because it puts eyes on his blog. And if/when it turns out not to be Marvel Man, but some other MM named character, he's not wrong.
For instance, remember when Quesada kept saying Speedball was going to die, but it turned out it was just the Speedball ID, not Robbie? Same deal.
To imply anything you have to have think about it, which was what I was saying in my last post; I probably should've included added a :wink:, hence my saying you're going with thinking in terms of an "thinks/believes" instead of a "thinks as in a thought process".
Why is Rich saying the character is dear to him and using "Atomik" in the article title if he knows the MM in question isn't Marvelman? There's other ways to imply that it's Marvelman without saying such things.
I still think Rich believes Marvelman is the hidden character, but I don't believe it's true. I don't doubt he heard such rumors ad nauseum at the con, but that's no different that the guesses that've said as much on every comic board since the Marvelman acquisition by Marvel.
Say what you will about rumors/misdirection in the pursuit of hits/attention and Rich in particular, but he has a respect for Marvelman that goes beyond his site. He could've broken the Marvelman acquisition by Marvel news, but purposely didn't, so as not to screw anything up in the day before Marvel had everything in order. I don't see him trying to "put eyes on his blog" by using possible misdirection on purpose with Marvelman when he could have done so at much more opportune times, and chose not to.
Frank
10-20-2009, 01:24 AM
Rich heard it wrong. His source actually said to him "it's Marvel, man". He just couldn't understand the American accent.
The Evil being behind Dark Reign is Marvel aka the head honcho of Marvel, Joe Quesada. It makes sense.
The Sword Is Drawn
10-20-2009, 03:02 AM
If it turns out that it IS Marvelman, they better not retcon him into being American. :mad:
StoneGold
10-20-2009, 03:11 AM
To imply anything you have to have think about it, which was what I was saying in my last post; I probably should've included added a :wink:, hence my saying you're going with thinking in terms of an "thinks/believes" instead of a "thinks as in a thought process".
Why is Rich saying the character is dear to him and using "Atomik" in the article title if he knows the MM in question isn't Marvelman? There's other ways to imply that it's Marvelman without saying such things.
I still think Rich believes Marvelman is the hidden character, but I don't believe it's true. I don't doubt he heard such rumors ad nauseum at the con, but that's no different that the guesses that've said as much on every comic board since the Marvelman acquisition by Marvel.
Say what you will about rumors/misdirection in the pursuit of hits/attention and Rich in particular, but he has a respect for Marvelman that goes beyond his site. He could've broken the Marvelman acquisition by Marvel news, but purposely didn't, so as not to screw anything up in the day before Marvel had everything in order. I don't see him trying to "put eyes on his blog" by using possible misdirection on purpose with Marvelman when he could have done so at much more opportune times, and chose not to.
And if he actually knew it was Marvelman, why would he play all coy about this?
Rich is a rumormonger. This is what he does.
Blind pugh
10-20-2009, 04:22 AM
If it turns out that it IS Marvelman, they better not retcon him into being American. :mad:
Perhaps I'm overly optimistic but Proteus was pretty powerful so there's some small degree of hope.
CyberCoyote
10-20-2009, 05:31 AM
Bendis would take so much s*** if it turns out to be Marvelman. He's said from the beginning that he knew who the mystery man was. That issue came out in December, heck he probably wrote it last fall, at that point Marvelman wouldn't haven even been an option.
Nah, Bendis plans these things 20 years ahead of time, it was HIS legal skills which bartered the rights to Marvel Man and he let it juggle in courts until AFTER that story just to throw off the readers :cool:
Either that or it WAS gonna be Molecule Man and they got lucky. Reece isn't exactly someone to make the world (or Cabal) tremble thanks to his past and present personality, but in these comics he could easily have a sudden streak of cannibalism and a fondness for sexually abusing men and/or women with little or no explanation of why.
Gibbering Fool
10-20-2009, 06:42 AM
My two theories:
Mephisto: Yes I know everyone's already said it, but it does make sense. The person behind the door has to be powerful enough to scare the likes of Loki and Doom. Mephisto would. My theory is that Osborn has sold his soul to Mephisto to attain the power he has. It makes sense thats how a known murderous psychopath became the head of SHEILD.
The Void: Another comon suggestion I know, butit makes more sense than a lot of things being said. The Void showed up in the middle of Secret Invasion. He came and saved Sentry's wife while Sentry was off catatonic on Saturn. That was the last we saw of him. Surely Bendis wouldn't drop something big like that and forget about it. Furthermore, the latest solicits for Dark Avengers reveal that we will learn everything we need to know about the Sentry and the Void. I don;t see it as a coincidence that this hapens right around the start of The Seige storyline.
whiteshark
10-20-2009, 07:08 AM
Miracle Man being the guy in the shadows looks to be strange.
Then why would Doc Doom and Namor be afraid of Miracle Man,if Miracle Man never apeared in any story before?
Iron Maiden
10-20-2009, 09:04 AM
Didn't Emma absorb the Void or something like that in the Utopia crossover?
CapnCaveman
10-20-2009, 10:53 AM
I don't know who the guy behind the door is. And I don't know who the guy behind him is. But there's a thrid guy behind him. He's the guy behind the guy behind the guy. And that guy is:
http://a.espncdn.com/i/magazine/new/swingers_guybehind.jpg
Alan2099
10-20-2009, 11:12 AM
Nah. Marvelman doesn't make a lot of sense (so knowing Bendis there's a good chance it's him). What we really need is to find somebody that can actually intimidate Dr. Doom yet would still be willing to work for Green Goblin.
I know just the person.
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/2442/notbrandechh11967.jpg (http://img33.imageshack.us/i/notbrandechh11967.jpg/)
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/1203/forbush2.jpg (http://img188.imageshack.us/i/forbush2.jpg/)
Brother Justin Crowe
10-20-2009, 11:22 AM
I don't know who the guy behind the door is. And I don't know who the guy behind him is. But there's a thrid guy behind him. He's the guy behind the guy behind the guy. And that guy is:
http://a.espncdn.com/i/magazine/new/swingers_guybehind.jpg
You're wrong, Cap'n. It's obviously the dude playing the dude disguised as another dude!
http://static.reelmovienews.com/images/gallery/kirk-lazarus.png
vickvega
10-20-2009, 12:55 PM
If you go back and read Avengers: The List, when Clint storms Avengers Tower, he makes it to Osborns room and fires a shot at him, Osborn yells MM! -I didnt think anything of it until I read about it yesterday, but I was surprised no one else noticed this.
Brother Justin Crowe
10-20-2009, 12:59 PM
If you go back and read Avengers: The List, when Clint storms Avengers Tower, he makes it to Osborns room and fires a shot at him, Osborn yells MM! -I didnt think anything of it until I read about it yesterday, but I was surprised no one else noticed this.
Whoever he/she is, MM obviously sucks at his/her job.
ArachnidAvenger
10-20-2009, 01:54 PM
You're all wrong, its obviously D-Man.
NormanB
10-20-2009, 04:30 PM
It's Night Trasher
(I insisted Ronin was Night Thrasher until the day of the reveal. I was crushed)
Monty_Cristo
10-20-2009, 04:57 PM
It's Night Trasher
(I insisted Ronin was Night Thrasher until the day of the reveal. I was crushed)
he'd be a better Ronin than the current guy.
Schluffy
10-20-2009, 05:01 PM
My votes on the Void. There has been so much dam build up with the sentry. Something big needs to happen with him otherwise he will stay a joke forever.
But then again why would the Void put Loki/Doom/Namor in their place?
All I know is that when whoever it is, is revealed its unlikley to be worth the build up e.g. Skrulls, Red Hulk, Red She Hulk, Mutant Zero.
FanboyStranger
10-20-2009, 05:11 PM
Maybe it's Rick Vietch's MaxiMortal
Does that mean Osborn has El Guano (The Sh!t) working for him? 'Cause I want to read that story.
For some reason, the Beyonder keeps popping into my head. Bendis created that dumb retcon for him in Illuminati that's pretty much been ignored, Marvel released a Secret Wars II omnibus, and now Molecule Man is coming back. He'd be a character that would scare the crap out of the Cabal, but why he'd be working with Osborn is still a question to me.
Babylon23
10-20-2009, 06:18 PM
While this would be absolutely ridiculous and a complete waste of the character, I'll happily ignore it if Marvel would just reprint the Moore and Gaiman stories. Then at least I can enjoy the good stories while skipping over this craptacular idea.
Having said that, I doubt Marvel would be stupid enough to waste Marvelman in this manner, especially since they've been talking to all of the former MM creators around the time of the purchase.
Kasper Cole
10-20-2009, 06:32 PM
Does that mean Osborn has El Guano (The Sh!t) working for him? 'Cause I want to read that story.
For some reason, the Beyonder keeps popping into my head. Bendis created that dumb retcon for him in Illuminati that's pretty much been ignored, Marvel released a Secret Wars II omnibus, and now Molecule Man is coming back. He'd be a character that would scare the crap out of the Cabal, but why he'd be working with Osborn is still a question to me.
On one hand Doom wouldn't be intimidated by the Beyonder. If anything he'd be glad to get another shot at that SOB.
On the other hand Doom hasn't exactly been acting like he's intimidated by whoever was behind that door.
Also how the hell would Osborn be able to control the Beyonder let alone know where to find him.
garydenaldo
10-20-2009, 11:09 PM
Nobody mentioned Mister M yet! Highly unlikely, but butterflies can be evil, too! Maybe it's Mister M disguised as Mephisto, a brother who would smother your mother, and make your sister think he loves her.
mikekerr3
10-20-2009, 11:35 PM
Nobody mentioned Mister M yet! Highly unlikely, but butterflies can be evil, too! Maybe it's Mister M disguised as Mephisto, a brother who would smother your mother, and make your sister think he loves her.
Mr M turned evil would scare the hell out of we, whatever could turn him evil would scare the Living Tribunal though. But I would love to she him back, I liked the guy a lot.
. But I don't think he would work, the only one at the Table who wuld know anything about him at all would be Emma.
TJKernan
10-20-2009, 11:45 PM
my votes are either
*martin mull
*mr. magoo
or (most likely)
*marlie matlin (her deaf speak scares the shit outta me!!!)
Brother Justin Crowe
10-21-2009, 12:56 AM
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Vivica Kang
10-21-2009, 11:26 AM
On one hand Doom wouldn't be intimidated by the Beyonder. If anything he'd be glad to get another shot at that SOB.
On the other hand Doom hasn't exactly been acting like he's intimidated by whoever was behind that door.
Also how the hell would Osborn be able to control the Beyonder let alone know where to find him.
This is all true...besides Bendis did say it had everyone intimidated and Doom would have left but he didnt. So its someone that Doom pause, Loki paused, and Emma was too quiet.
On one hand Doom wouldn't be intimidated by the Beyonder. If anything he'd be glad to get another shot at that SOB.
On the other hand Doom hasn't exactly been acting like he's intimidated by whoever was behind that door.
Also how the hell would Osborn be able to control the Beyonder let alone know where to find him.
I think suprised is a better word than intimidated.
After that Cabal meeting, Doom flat out said he was gonna go to war with Osborn if Osborn didn't fall flat on his face all by himself.
But as far as Osborn controlling whoever this person is... I suspect Osborn isn't really controlling that person. That person is just letting Osborn THINK he's controlling him. That person I assume will be the next big bad after Osborn is beaten. Obviously I'm just speculating... we'll see.
Earl of the RCs
10-21-2009, 06:07 PM
I second Forbush Man. Rich just cant spell.
shades of eternity
10-21-2009, 06:41 PM
the big bad should be one character and one character only: mephisto.
he's a being who is probably one of the few that would worry characters like doom, namor, loki and magneto and would explain one hell of an aftermath for bnd.
plus it could create an inferno type cross over where we can push some of the darker characters of marvel.
and maybe get some resolution on what happened to spidey, get cap back and maybe start a whole new story arc.
Now that I've said it, I know they won't do it, cause it makes too much sense.
After reading this thread, I personally would use the void and mephisto together and let it rip.
xcoijoi
10-21-2009, 10:27 PM
I think suprised is a better word than intimidated.
After that Cabal meeting, Doom flat out said he was gonna go to war with Osborn if Osborn didn't fall flat on his face all by himself.
But as far as Osborn controlling whoever this person is... I suspect Osborn isn't really controlling that person. That person is just letting Osborn THINK he's controlling him. That person I assume will be the next big bad after Osborn is beaten. Obviously I'm just speculating... we'll see.
Absolutely. This whole thing was probably planned by whoever this Malevolent Motherf#r is, and Osborne is really working for them. There's no way Norm gets control of a Mephisto or Beyonder-level entity; he's simply not smart or powerful enough.
InSovietRussia
10-21-2009, 10:39 PM
Absolutely. This whole thing was probably planned by whoever this Malevolent Motherf#r is, and Osborne is really working for them. There's no way Norm gets control of a Mephisto or Beyonder-level entity; he's simply not smart or powerful enough.
Oh please, as if most of the stories in these sorts of comic books make sense anyway... did you see that recent Fantastic Four storyline that had Doctor Doom turn into a million-plus year old superhuman who despite being mortally injured could kill the Watcher and a giant prehistoric shark to boot? I mean, if we're going to be realistic, half of Civil War wouldn't have worked due to people acting out of character, and no one in whatever administration's been in power in the Marvel Universe's America would've put up with Osborne for more than two weeks, let alone appointed a known murderer and nutcase to such a position in the first place.
JurassicParkIsAnAwesomeMovie
10-21-2009, 10:56 PM
Absolutely. This whole thing was probably planned by whoever this Malevolent Motherf#r is, and Osborne is really working for them. There's no way Norm gets control of a Mephisto or Beyonder-level entity; he's simply not smart or powerful enough.
I'm thinking that Osborn sold his soul to Mephisto for control of SHIELD before Secret Invasion and Osborn is just Mephisto's puppet.
Absolutely. This whole thing was probably planned by whoever this Malevolent Motherf#r is, and Osborne is really working for them. There's no way Norm gets control of a Mephisto or Beyonder-level entity; he's simply not smart or powerful enough.
Most events now do tend to lead to something else.
So I definately think after Osborns fall, something else is waiting on the horizen. If they're bothering to make Osborns enforcer a "mystery" I'm sure we'll see more of that person down the line.
Anyone powerful enough to keep the likes of DOom and Loki in check is likely someone worth having their own stories build around post Dark Reign.
whiteshark
10-22-2009, 03:04 AM
I think is Molecule Man.
It is somebody that could be controlled,and Molecule Man is a old character in the stories that the Cabal member are familiar with.
And his power level,is something that is a reason to the Cabal members to be afraid,and Doc Doom from Secret Wars would be afraid from Molecule Man.
IvCNuB4
10-22-2009, 12:25 PM
It was revealed yesterday. Yes, it's (highlight) Molecule Man ....
mikekerr3
10-22-2009, 01:30 PM
the big bad should be one character and one character only: mephisto.
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The X-kids have fought Mephisto's equal and won, one of the returned member of the team has been his peer.
G. Wayne
10-22-2009, 01:48 PM
It was revealed yesterday. Yes, it's (highlight) ... ....
Wow. That's.... not cool. Bordering on stupid.
whiteshark
10-22-2009, 02:30 PM
It was revealed yesterday. Yes, it's (highlight) Molecule Man ....
HA.
I knew it.
And makes perfect sense,his powers are something that the Cabal members would be afraid.
And Doc Doom,which knows him from Secret Wars,would have reasons to be afraid by him.
Not to mention that he would be easy to be controlled by Norman Osborn.
ANewHope
10-24-2009, 06:57 PM
Wasn't the answer given away in Dark Avengers 10 ??
I don''t want to post spoilers, but read that issue again.
ShaunN
10-24-2009, 07:31 PM
The X-kids have fought Mephisto's equal and won, one of the returned member of the team has been his peer.
If that's true, then Mephisto is really coming down in the world. When he first appeared, Mephisto was so much more powerful than the Silver Surfer that there was no contest at all. Mephisto turned the Surfer into a thought and tried to corrupt him through immersing the Surfer in his mind. In later appearances, Mephisto has proven every bit as powerful as Galactus.
I realize that the character's power has varied over the years, but in his own realm, he is invincible, and he is certainly not weak outside of it. So for the "X-kids" to beat him - boy, that must have been bad writing!
ShaunN
10-24-2009, 07:35 PM
Why are people assuming the Big Bad is MM based on Dark Avengers #10? Is it because Owen calls Norman "the king of the world", perhaps indicating that they have had past contact?
But maybe being MM simply gives Owen a much higher level of awareness. Also, if MM is Norman's ace in the hole, wouldn't Norman know something about Owen's activities in Colorado? And, even if he didn't, wouldn't he be inclined to just turn around and leave once he finds out that his own ally is behind the mess? Noman would seem to need Owen far more than the reverse.
At any rate, I think it's interesting that Owen has set up in Colorado. As I recall, his girlfriend is from Denver. I wonder if there's a link.
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