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Sheldon

11-15-2004, 01:32 PM

So KOTOR 2 comes out December 6th.

The official site (http://www.lucasarts.com/games/swkotor_sithlords/) has a bunch of stuff online now, including character details, and other tidbits and a sweet trailer.

One item of note is that your choices will influence not only yourself but the other characters in it.....

Some other tidbits I've picked up, the level 20 cap has been removed, I don't know how high they'll let you get, but I glad they did this. Knowing that you couldn't get anymore force powers after level 20 made choices a bit tough last time.

Euro Gamer (http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=55323) has a good preview up.....

as does Game Spot (http://www.gamespot.com/xbox/rpg/kotor2/preview_6112913.html)

Pretty much the scenario is that you play an exiled jedi that wakes up in a medical facility on a mining planet.

You can also play an optional prologue featureing T3-M4 fixing the Ebon Hawk

The game takes place 5 years after the last one, and several characters from the first one will show up throughout the game.

I'm pretty excited to play this game.....hopefully the supporting characters aren't as whiney as Carth, and if so I hope you can get them killed :)

Any other thoughts?

http://www.lucasarts.com/games/swkotor_sithlords/images/screenshots/XBOXScreens/18.jpg

StoneGold

11-15-2004, 03:01 PM

Could be very interesting. The obvious downside, it's not Bioware, but from what I've read and seen they seem to be doing a good job picking up the ball. I like how they start the game off, you answer a series of dialogue questions to basically determine how you beat the last game, light or darkside, who died and such, and that will affect who shows up in the new game.

Spiff

11-15-2004, 03:14 PM

It's all about HK-47.

I really hope that this game is harder, because playing as a jedi, let alone 2 of them (the last slot is obviously for HK), really made the game too easy. That one stasis power could eradicate entire groups of enemies, especially if you were a consular and the difficulty is somewhere in the bagillions.

Also, I hope they make the skills more useful. I think the only skill I actually used the entire game was Diplomacy, which was made obsolete by Affect Mind, and Repair (again, for HK47). I'm hoping for more Planescape: Torment like quests and dialogues.

I'm sure it'll still be a fine game, though.

Sheldon

11-15-2004, 03:18 PM

I read there will be more side quests thats require you to use the other characters more.

I'm hoping HK shows up too!

Zun Liako

11-15-2004, 03:30 PM

I'm really pumped, KOTOR was such a great game, best RPG I've played in a long long time.

Force Crush is going to be wicked awesome

Sheldon

11-19-2004, 05:08 PM

IGN got an review copy and have posted a 6 hour in 1st impression review....
Some interesting stuff in it.....

Check it here (http://xbox.ign.com/articles/567/567070p1.html?)

Spiff

11-19-2004, 06:00 PM

They didn't really say a whole lot in that preview. No real info that wasn't already known, just common sense type things. At least we know, according to IGN, that it doesn't suck.

Sheldon

11-19-2004, 07:06 PM

Yeah that was the most important thing....I don't want it too be too different gameplay wise from the last one.....just have a good story.

Daemon

11-19-2004, 07:10 PM

Apparently from what I've heard they're giving classes different abilities.

Like soldiers have Hard to kill or something, where if they would get dopped below 0 they'd have 1 hit point left.

Could be interesting.

Sheldon

11-19-2004, 07:14 PM

Yeah there is one character Atton Rand that as long as another character member is standing will continue to fight even if his HP are at zero......pretty cool

Another character Kreia gives everyone XP bonuses if she's in the party...it should be interesting....

Spiff

11-19-2004, 08:44 PM

I'm glad they're trying to make the NPC's more interesting. It was hard to try and use Mission, the wookie, Carth, and the non-HK robot, just because they seemed so inferior to the Jedi, Canderous, and HK.

DF2506

11-19-2004, 10:30 PM

I was orignally going to get Halo 2 for Christmas, but then I rented Halo 2 and beat it. So I decided that I didn't want it for Christmas anymore. Then I was thinking about getting the Third Age....but then I read that KOTR 2 was coming out in early December (aside: I thought it was coming out later in December).

So now I'm getting KOTR 2 for Christmas definitly (might even get it earlier then that. *hopes* Its already paid for!).

I've seen alot of screenshots now of KOTR 2 and it looks pretty good. Plus, most of all, the story sounds really interesting.

I thought KOTR 1 was one of the best RPGs I've played (maybe even the best so far). KOTR 2 is supposed to be alot like 1, plus some new stuff. It should be great!

Can't wait to play it!

DF2506
" Is looking at photos of KOTR 2 right now! "

Sheldon

12-01-2004, 02:22 PM

Well we are just a week away from the Xbox release.
Its already gone gold and IGN posted a little thingy about the characters in the game

Here it it (http://xbox.ign.com/articles/569/569753p1.html)
Ignoring the lame killbill ripoff PC they felf they needed to show us they offer some neat tidbits on 3 other npcs

Heres another article (http://xbox.ign.com/articles/569/569213p1.html) that talks about the how your character can influence the npcs......its pretty facinating....

I can't wait!!!

Dizzy D

12-01-2004, 05:00 PM

Looks... so much... fun..

Can't wait... till it's ... out for PC..

ARGH!!

I do hope they make skills a lot more important, KOTOR 1 skills were basically meaningless. Maybe up the power of blasters a bit.

The different lightsabre-styles of fighting sound good. So does the influence-system.

Spiff

12-01-2004, 05:34 PM

Sheldon

12-01-2004, 06:15 PM

I wonder if there's gonna be a better benefit for playing Dark Side, because I didn't really see a whole lot in the first one, other than a couple of items (although light side had a set of items that were cooler than anything the dark side had). Unless you really wanted to get a sidequest over with, and just started killing people.
I first played darkside and was amazed when the I played light side and realized there was more to the sand people problem than going in there and slaughtering them.....

I agree though...hopefully there is more incentive beyond going on killing sprees....

Sheldon

12-03-2004, 11:23 AM

IGN will post their review tonight....

In the meantime check out the force powers here (http://media.xbox.ign.com/media/679/679264/vids_1.html)

DF2506

12-03-2004, 09:20 PM

KOTR 2 looks great! I can't wait to finally get to play it on Monday or Tuesday!

I read Ign's review of it tonight and its sounds great. They were critical on a few things, but they usually are..with rare expections (aside: they didn't seem too critical on Halo 2 and personally, though I loved most of the game, I felt that the "ending" was a major minus on Halo 2).

The influence systems sounds great though! And what I've heard of the story (not much really) has me really interested!

I looked forward to the game alot!

DF2506
" I just beat Snake Eater! What an awesome game! Can't wait to play KOTR 2 next! "

DF2506

12-06-2004, 09:47 PM

Sorry for the double post!

I got KOTOR 2!!!

I picked it up at Gamestop around 5:30. I got home around 6:30ish and played the heck out of the game till about 11! lol. Its a really good game, imo! The graphics and gameplay are much like the first one, with some minor changes. My favorite change so far is being able to switch between two weapons (or four if your using two weapons in each hand) on the fly.

The characters I've ran into so far are pretty cool and the story is interesting. I'm not very far yet though. I just got out of the first area and I'm into the beginning of the second!

No lightsaber yet, but I have lots of cool weapons! And a Jedi Robe! :)

DF2506
" So far, KOTOR 2 seems to be on par with KOTOR 1! "

Sheldon

12-07-2004, 03:53 AM

Awesome! keep us posted on your progress. I'm gonna wait til I finish my last exam before I pick it up.....

There are a few more reviews online....

check out metacritic (http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/xbox/starwarsknightsoftheoldrepublic2/) if you want more info.....

DF2506

12-07-2004, 11:56 AM

I'm in my third area on KOTOR 2 now. I have about four party members (one is away right now though. and there's really five if you count the main guy).

Still no lightsaber (hear you don't get one till about 17 hours in...), but I've got tons of other weapons. This game seems to give you alot more items then KOTOR 1 did! A ton more really!

And the battles do seem easier then KOTOR 1 for the most part. Though the gameplay is still alot of fun, imo.

As for the characters & story, they are pretty interesting so far, imo.

Oh! And I've seen a couple of KOTOR 1 characters! :)

Fun game! Can't wait to see what happens next!

DF2506
" Whew. There are some pretty mean looking main bad guys in this too! Much cooler looking then Malak, imo! "

Spiff

12-07-2004, 12:22 PM

And the battles do seem easier then KOTOR 1 for the most part. Though the gameplay is still alot of fun, imo.

That's really unfortunate, especially since you haven't gotten your lightsaber yet.

Sanagi

12-07-2004, 05:26 PM

What if Bioware had created the Star Wars prequel movies? (http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3137087)

Genma:TheDestroyer

12-08-2004, 08:51 PM

I'm looking at some of the official reviews, and I can't see what the problem is.

"KOTOR was such a big game, with so much replayability, that another game like it just may not do it for you." (Gamespot)

What? I *want* another game like KOTOR.

Does it have another story, that's of equal caliber with KOTOR? Yes? Are the graphics at least as good? Yes? Are there some new features? Deeper combat, lightside/darkside leanings, conversation options, etc, etc? Yes?

Then.I.want.it.

Sanagi

12-08-2004, 11:52 PM

Basara

12-09-2004, 05:47 AM

1up.com (http://toastyfrog.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3137063&did=1) says it's really more of an expansion pack than a sequel. Make of that what you will.

Maybe someone should point out to 1up.com that this "expansion pack" is reported to have 45 hours of gameplay just one time through. That's a hell of a lot of gameplay for an "expansion pack". Heck it's any longer considering that most will need to play it twice to see get both the good and evil stories.

btw, I'm really enjoying this game right now. Neither Kreia nor Alton are actually worthy of my trust. I love that!!

Genma:TheDestroyer

12-09-2004, 07:04 AM

Some sites just get a bit too critical, in my opinion.

Gamespot may have given it an 8.5, but the reader review average on the site has given it a 9.3.

DF2506

12-09-2004, 09:04 AM

I'm about 20-some hours into the game now! Have a few lightsabers now (mostly double-bladed ones!), I've been to many different areas, and I have about seven different party members now (eight if you count my main guy). All the characters are pretty cool (in fact, I'm thinking their better then the KOTOR 1's characters), the story is interesting, the graphics are good (not great), and the gameplay is great! Oh and the battles are becoming ALOT harder now!

I do have one gripe though: KOTOR 2 is pretty buggy. At least my copy is. lol. Yesterday I had the game freeze on me two times and I had another time where the battle slowed down to where I thought the game was going to freeze (for a third time, but it didn't. after the glitchy battle was over, the game went back to normal..). And today..well, today I could walk through doors in one area (like a ghost..).

That said, the game is pretty cool. The story has to be at least as great as the first one, the characters might be better, and the gameplay is awesome. As for the graphics, well, some of the graphics are as good as KOTOR 1 and some are not.

Overall, I'm addicted to this game. Ya, I hate the glitches (I don't remember KOTOR 1 having these type of glitches..), but I'll wade through them since I just can't stop playing this game!!

DF2506
" Not sure which planet has been my favorite so far. They've all been pretty interesting! "

Sanagi

12-09-2004, 05:21 PM

Some sites just get a bit too critical, in my opinion.

Gamespot may have given it an 8.5, but the reader review average on the site has given it a 9.3.
Well, Jeremy Parish had a mini-rant on his blog (http://toastyfrog.1up.com/) recently about KOTOR 2 ratings in specific and how in general people fallaciously assume that a rating of 7 equates to a "C" and therefore anything less than an 8 is not worth playing.

DF2506

12-10-2004, 12:51 PM

I'm 26 hours in now and the game is getting pretty good! I have all ten of my party members and all the characters are pretty cool! I especially like the last character I got... :)

This game is getting harder too. There have been some parts that I've had to repeat cause I got killed or they were very hard. I'm even currently avoiding one mission cause its so hard. I'm going to other planets instead. lol!

This really is a great game! Better then the first? I'm not sure. I know I like the characters better...but I'm not sure about the story. The story is good, but its much more mysterious then KOTOR 1. I'll just have to wait and see how everything turns out!

Anyway, I highly recommand the game! Ya, I had some glitches with it, but it is a fun game! Definitly worth planning, especially if your a fan of KOTOR 1 and Star Wars of course. :)

DF2506
" Can't wait to see what happens next! "

Sheldon

12-10-2004, 03:58 PM

I just picked it up.....I can't wait to get started.....

Hey DF2506? are you playing light or dark side?

Genma:TheDestroyer

12-10-2004, 04:01 PM

Well, Jeremy Parish had a mini-rant on his blog (http://toastyfrog.1up.com/) recently about KOTOR 2 ratings in specific and how in general people fallaciously assume that a rating of 7 equates to a "C" and therefore anything less than an 8 is not worth playing.

Eh, I never have to worry about that.

Critics weren't too fond of Saga Frontier or Way of the Samurai, but I bought them. I've enjoyed a number of games they've given 5.0s to before. So a 7.0 has never discouraged me.

Just saying that general populace as a whole seems to give it a better grade than the critics.

DF2506

12-10-2004, 09:40 PM

Hey DF2506? are you playing light or dark side?<

Light side. My meter has me as light as you can go! The very top! :)

I plan to go dark side with my second play through. Or at least be semi-dark. You know, do some good things and some bad things. lol.

I definitly want to see how I can influence my characters differently the second time around! There are a couple of characters in the group who don't like me that much. I gotta see if I can change that next time! :)

I'm 31 hours in now! The story is really picking up alot!! Its getting very intense. There have been some cool and interesting revelations and the characters in this game are so cool, imo!

I'm definitly looking forward to playing more of this game tommorrow!

DF2506
" This game is 40-45 hours, but I feel like I'm already getting pretty close. Hmm. We'll see what happens! "

Brock

12-11-2004, 12:25 PM

DF2506

12-11-2004, 04:03 PM

Still, at least there's plenty of time for other players to write some decent FAQs.<

Man..wish there were some decent FAQs right now. There was a couple of times that I could have used one...lol. Thankfully I got through those parts..somehow. lol!

Sorry to hear about the delay. You guys always seem to get delays on games, which really isn't right since most of the great games come from your side of the pond. Hmm.

The PC verison of KOTOR 2 isn't coming out till February here. I'm glad I'm not a PC gamer.....*hides from the PC gamers*

Anyway, I'm about 33 or 34 hours in. I think I'm getting pretty close to end! Once I finish this, I plan to start a new game with a female jedi. I want to make her semi-dark and also I want to say that Reven was bad in the last game! :)

DF2506
" Is getting Ratchet & Clank: Up Your Arsnal for Christmas! Can't wait to play that! "

Sheldon

12-14-2004, 04:59 AM

I'm playing darkside...its pretty fun...I just wish I had more time to play it.

Bored at 3:00AM

12-22-2004, 01:13 PM

It's tough to read all this.

The game was all set for European release on December 10th. Now it's suddenly been put back until next February, right at the last minute. :(

Still, at least there's plenty of time for other players to write some decent FAQs.

That's because the game won't ready to be released until February, but Lucasarts wanted to cash in on the Christmas Shopping Frenzy and released the unfinished game in the US--the game is clearly riddled with technical glitches ranging from minor to annoying to catastrophic. Furthermore, there are obviously large chunks of the game that have been cut out at the last minute so they could make their December release date. Trust me, waiting for the finished version they release in February will be much better in the long run.

KameTen

12-27-2004, 03:08 AM

Bored at 3:00AM

12-27-2004, 07:52 AM

I've just gotten the game and I'm at the part where the main character is describing his former lightsaber to Atton. Can anybody tell me what the alternate colors (orange, silver, and whatever else color there was that isn't Sentinel, Consular, Guardian, and Sith) means in terms of rank.

If you tell Atton that you had a dual-sided lightsaber, that's the kind of lightsaber you'll build later in the game. If you tell him it was a single hilt, you'll build that one.

The colors don't make any difference as to your class at all, but here's generally the way the colors work.

Guardians use blue

Sentinels use green

Consulars use yellow.

Sith use red

There's numerous other colors you can use, including silver, bronze, cyan, viridian, orange and violet.

It all really comes down to personal preference though. You can use any color you want and it won't matter.

Chuckg

12-27-2004, 09:23 AM

Pepsigirl

12-27-2004, 09:30 AM

OK, spoiler whore here, and I won't be getting it until February (PC) anyway.

So, what's the storyline? :)

Oh, and I heard a rumor that you don't get HK-47, you just get another HK droid. True/false?

Your character is an exiled jedi, who goes on a mission to find all the lost jedi (because the rest are dead) in order to draw out and kill the last Sith Lords.

And you do get HK-47, he's on your ship, but you have to find the parts to repair him. There are other HK droids, but they were sent by the sith to kill you.

EDIT: As a point of interest to anyone playing, make sure you go either really light or really dark by the time you reach level 15 to get your prestige class. I made it almost to the end of the game only a little light and by the time I managed to raise my light side points, it was too late. :(

(And I put that in spoiler tags before realizing that anyone currently playing the game wouldn't read it, because then they'd be spoiled...)

Chuckg

12-27-2004, 09:42 AM

How the bleep are all the Jedi dead?!? And how long has it been since the end of KOTOR 1?

Pepsigirl

12-27-2004, 11:03 AM

How the bleep are all the Jedi dead?!? And how long has it been since the end of KOTOR 1?

5 years. Apparently, [almost] all the jedi died in the Jedi Civil War (from KOTOR 1), became Sith, or just... disappeared.

Chuckg

12-27-2004, 11:23 AM

Well, doesn't /that/ just take a lot of the shine off the 'Light Side ending' from KOTOR 1.

Don't tell me they turned Revan bad again or anything stupid like that, please.

Sam

12-27-2004, 12:24 PM

Well, even in the light side ending, the Jedi were pretty well decimated by the end of the game. Remember, they were being hunted across the galaxy, and Malak annihilates the last remaining Jedi stronghold over the course of the game.

Bored at 3:00AM

12-27-2004, 12:55 PM

Well, doesn't /that/ just take a lot of the shine off the 'Light Side ending' from KOTOR 1.

Don't tell me they turned Revan bad again or anything stupid like that, please.

No, nothing like that. They came up with a decent explaination for what happens to Revan and the Republic that fits nicely regardless of how KOTOR 1 ended. It actually expands on the Revan character a lot that puts his/her actions in a whole new light.

But one thing everybody should know going in is that the game mirrors Empire Strike Back in some key areas--most notably in the downbeat cliffhanger ending that's clearly setting up the last installment.

There are still a lot of unanswered questions left up in the air at the end that will have to wait a few years to get answered. If that's a problem for you, you might want to give this a pass.

Genma:TheDestroyer

12-27-2004, 02:19 PM

I'm having a hard time seeing some of the problems people are talking about around the net. They say the conversations between your party members are flat.

Bull. I think the character interaction here is awesome. And your crew is leagues more inter-connected than in the first game. Just a single event or action can set them off.

Example: I began training with Handmaiden. She taught me some Echani fighting tactics. Because of this, I get a lecture from Kreia the next time I talk, warning me not to get too attached, that I regard her with caution, blah, blah, blah. Atton heads into the Cargo Hold to get parts for the Ebon Hawk, and ends up getting into an argument with Handmaiden, because he noticed her doing some funky stuff with the Echani rituals (something he's versed at, which is surprising to a number of others, including Kreia), that hint at something intimate. Heh, we're good enough friends that he's already screening people for me.

Meanwhile, Bao-dur tells me to try and distance myself from Kreia's teachings. He believes she might have an ulterior motive.

2nd example: Visas (a Sith Assassin) attacks me, and I defeat her. Then decide to keep her as a servant. Handmaiden gets all cheesed off, and jealous. Kreia thinks I'm doing it for lust, and Atton's sympathetic.

Then there's the way Atton and Kreia snipe at each other constantly, whenever I have them together. Which is quite a bit. Or how T3-M4 and Atton argue about the value and usefulness of droids.

There have been quite a few instances like these, and I've only cleared Peragus, Citadel Station, and am barely starting Korriban.

Genma:TheDestroyer

12-27-2004, 02:24 PM

There are still a lot of unanswered questions left up in the air at the end that will have to wait a few years to get answered. If that's a problem for you, you might want to give this a pass.

No worse than what Halo 2 pulled, from what I hear.

yeoman

12-27-2004, 10:48 PM

Meanwhile, Bao-dur tells me to try and distance myself from Kreia's teachings. He believes she might have an ulterior motive.

Of course she does. Did you see that cinematic during the conversation where she reveals *MASSIVE SPOILER*

that she used to be a Sith Lord, and, infact, trained crater chest guy.

Genma:TheDestroyer

12-28-2004, 03:38 PM

Of course she does. Did you see that cinematic during the conversation where she reveals *MASSIVE SPOILER*

that she used to be a Sith Lord, and, infact, trained crater chest guy.

*Points upwards, where he mentions he's only been through a bit of the game*

I finished Korriban, and have barely started Dantooine. So while I know what's really going on (I have an addiction to Gamefaqs when a new game comes out, tends to spoil everything), I haven't actually seen all the events and stuff.

Besides, even if I hadn't know about it from the internet, I would have figured it out shortly after adventuring with her. I knew who Revan was shortly after my Jedi training, in KOTOR I.

They lay the foreshadowing on pretty thick.

Toonimator

12-28-2004, 04:12 PM

Genma:TheDestroyer

12-28-2004, 06:50 PM

If you've finished Korriban, you've seen that cinematic (tho there are two that kinda factor in: the one where she briefly leaves you while you're still on Peragus where she says something about Sleeps With Vibroblades, and another if you chat with her and ask her history, which I did on Citadel Station, that shows something more)

The only instance I've seen that even resembles something like that is from the Sith Tomb, and that was an illusionary Kreia. In a place that was popping out all types of wierd stuff.

Earlier on, Sion had mentioned she used to be his master. But neither has outright stated yet she was a Sith Lord at one time. At the moment, my character seems to think she was a normal Jedi whose student went dark.

It might have something to do with influence. I tend to lose mine all the time with her. Even she gets tired of all my dark side stuff. "Is your bloodlust sated, have you had your fill of carnage, blah, blah, blah"

yeoman

12-28-2004, 07:12 PM

All I know is I may be stuck in the sewers under Nal Shiddar, but I got me a lightsaber!

Genma:TheDestroyer

12-28-2004, 07:55 PM

All I know is I may be stuck in the sewers under Nal Shiddar, but I got me a lightsaber!

Got that shortly after landing on Dantooine. Outfitted with the custom crystal that grows as you do, and various lenses and crystal parts from the Scavenger woman near the enclave.

20-16 damage, baby. Level 16 Councilor/Level 3 Sith Lord, baby!

As well as having converted Handmaiden, already.

And I'm only on my second 'find the Jedi' planet.

Let the universe fear my wrath! MWAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

yeoman

12-28-2004, 09:59 PM

20-16 damage, baby. Level 16 Councilor/Level 3 Sith Lord, baby!

As well as having converted Handmaiden, already.

I tired going Sith by playin gin character as CBY. But all the evil choices are just psychotic ravings rather than the calculationg evil I wanted to go for. As such, I ended up getting a lot of light side points and eventually just gave up on the whole thing.

Bored at 3:00AM

12-29-2004, 04:44 AM

I tired going Sith by playin gin character as CBY. But all the evil choices are just psychotic ravings rather than the calculationg evil I wanted to go for. As such, I ended up getting a lot of light side points and eventually just gave up on the whole thing.

Yeah, I would have liked for more "Lie/Persuade" options that were available. I was going for a Palpatine/Sidious thing when I was Dark Side, but too often the only options were "psychotic thug", "rude prick", "affable dumbass" or "saintly do-gooder".

yeoman

12-29-2004, 08:15 AM

Yeah, I would have liked for more "Lie/Persuade" options that were available. I was going for a Palpatine/Sidious thing when I was Dark Side, but too often the only options were "psychotic thug", "rude prick", "affable dumbass" or "saintly do-gooder".

Even then I have trouble getting Lie/Persuade to work. Could be the low-ish charisma, but I've got persuade maxed out, so that shouldn't make that big a difference.

Genma:TheDestroyer

12-29-2004, 11:02 AM

Don't know, there are a few good manipulation moments I've seen already.

Like the attack on Khnooda, for instance.

Toonimator

12-29-2004, 12:05 PM

Decent Charisma PLUS good Persuade should get you more options.

The Khoonda assault was the first tricky spot for me; after a few attempts I tried something different before the battle, and lo & behold, got me a lightsaber! How sweet it is! On to Nar Shaddaa or Korriban, next... light-side is maxed, Kreia & Atton are rising towards light, Handmaiden & the Sith gal are close or full-light already. Fun game!

Was anyone else disoriented a bit on Dantooine, since the sun's in the east instead of the west for this game? Or was it just me? :p

yeoman

12-29-2004, 02:24 PM

Decent Charisma PLUS good Persuade should get you more options.

Bah, everything goes better with Force Persuade. :cool:

Except with Atton.

On to Nar Shaddaa or Korriban, next... light-side is maxed, Kreia & Atton are rising towards light, Handmaiden & the Sith gal are close or full-light already. Fun game!

So far I've only gone to Nar Shadda. A warning, Nar Shadda has a crap load of stuff to do, and I've heard there are some bugs there that may end up making it so you can't proceed with the game.

However, a lot of party members can be found there, including the third and fourth bits of HK-47.

I've got the Sith down to neutral, Atton light side, but I don't trust Kreia further than I can force push her.

Pepsigirl

12-29-2004, 02:43 PM

So far I've only gone to Nar Shadda. A warning, Nar Shadda has a crap load of stuff to do, and I've heard there are some bugs there that may end up making it so you can't proceed with the game.

Yeah, I got a little stuck, you just have to keep doing sidequests, beat the Red Eclipse slavers, and eventually it'll trigger the event that gets you to see Goto. I've heard that once you get a sidequest, not accepting any other ones until you complete it helps you to not get the glitch. Some guy on GameFAQs came up with a semi-explanation:

... players are allowed to complete quests partially in such a way that the necessary plot components do not fall into place as they should. Normally, in a well-tested game, these fatal inconsistencies are blocked by appropriate coding. In this particular title, however, the testing was not completed as it should have been.

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=920194&topic=18383752

Genma:TheDestroyer

12-29-2004, 11:27 PM

Haven't run into any glitches, myself. Luck of the draw, I suppose. Up to the Visquiss meeting, and not a single thing.

I have to wonder, will the European release play on my X-box? If what some are saying is correct, content that hadn't been tested enough for the U.S. release will be included in the European.

Bored at 3:00AM

12-30-2004, 06:29 AM

It'll never happen, but Lucasfilm really should let people exchange their faulty copies with revised versions once they work the bugs out.

But, of course, that would require them admitting that they rushed the game onto the market in order to rake in Xmas dollars.

Chuckg

01-04-2005, 03:55 PM

Re: the sector boss on Nar Shadaa, the one oppressing the refugee camp:

To those who know about the XP bug -- the one where you keep saying 'I don't have the skills to cure him -- I'll take care of it' over and over again -- do you know why sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't?

Toonimator

01-05-2005, 10:10 AM

I've read of a couple XP bugs... being bugs might be why they're unreliable :) The other one I read of is
near the end of the hidden tomb on Korriban, when you find the dead Jedi with the datapad and the two Hssissi appear to battle you; each time you click on the Jedi's body, more Hssissi appear. Easy XP, have yet to try it tho

Anyone underwhelmed with the ending? Too much left unresolved, like the HK Factory and even just gettin to SEE your allies again (KOTOR1, you're with allies up until the final 2 duels, then see some or all of your allies in the end cutscenes; this one, you're told thru text what happens to them, and you're totally alone for the entire final chapters, with only those brief breaks to resolve Mira/Hanharr and the Remote's mission (which is ridiculously easy, if your character explored the whole area first). And I don't have Xbox Live or a modified Xbox to access the HK Factory anyway.

I hope they take time on KOTOR3 and don't rush or cut anything to make an early ship date. But it was a fun game!

UncleBob

01-05-2005, 10:42 AM

It's a nice game, just wish having a thomson at first wouldn't have spoiled it for me.

SMKSPY

01-07-2005, 10:58 AM

I bought the first KOTOR and played it yesterday...that is one hard game to play...very complicated, and will take up alot of my time.

Genma:TheDestroyer

01-07-2005, 03:54 PM

There's actually a hacked save you can download that allows you to play most of the HK Factory quest. Dialogue, cut-scenes, a great deal of it was finished, but didn't make it in for some reason or the other.

It's an HK solo mission.

SMKSPY

01-17-2005, 12:29 PM

quick question---

in the first KOTOR, before you fight Malak, and all the droids are being produced by the star forge, How do you defeat them or at least get them to stop reproducing? I must have killed 80 of the guys by now...

Jagatai_Khan

01-17-2005, 12:49 PM

You have to hack the little computer terminals next to each droid-producing machine. If you notice, every time you kill one of those droids and search it's body, it drops some repair parts and computer spikes. Or maybe they're inside the containers next to the droid-makers.

Anwyays, you have to turn off the machines that make them, *then* you can kill them off. Othewise, they just keep coming forever.

Sheldon

01-17-2005, 12:50 PM

You don't have to.....You go to the door at the end of the hall and bash it and just walk in....or if you have computer skills shut down the terminals in the hall...there are 3 or 4 of them I can't remember. There are containers with spikes in them if you need them

Jagatai_Khan

01-17-2005, 12:58 PM

Toonimator

01-17-2005, 01:28 PM

You can't bash the door. It's unbashable. You have to shut down the terminals.

Sure you can. First time through the game, that's exactly what I did: bash the door.

Sheldon

01-17-2005, 02:43 PM

Yep I didn't even know you could do it any other way until I read a faq my 2nd time through.

Jagatai_Khan

01-17-2005, 03:19 PM

Sure you can. First time through the game, that's exactly what I did: bash the door.

No way! That's the first thing I tried when I was on that level, and it never worked even though I tried it over and over. Either my copy of KOTOR was messed up, or you've got a different version where they added that option.

SMKSPY

01-19-2005, 10:13 AM

thanks for the help guys....I turned off the droid producers and beat malak. Now I have to play again going to the dark side then KOTOR 2

Sheldon

01-19-2005, 10:33 AM

No way! That's the first thing I tried when I was on that level, and it never worked even though I tried it over and over. Either my copy of KOTOR was messed up, or you've got a different version where they added that option.
I bought it the first day it was out on Xbox and thats what I was able to do.

Mike Pothier

02-12-2005, 12:37 PM

I just got the PC version. Its very fun, but so far its not quite stacking up to the first game. I'll save my final judgement when I finish it.

Valmore

02-12-2005, 07:31 PM

thanks for the help guys....I turned off the droid producers and beat malak. Now I have to play again going to the dark side then KOTOR 2

Playing the dark side is fun - especially if you drag Carth and Bastila around with you everywhere you go. They'll chastise you every time you do something evil or selfish. HK-47, on the other hand, will admonish your deviousness.

Leslie Lee III

02-13-2005, 07:46 AM

I have it for PC and I'm disappointed that it's the EXACT SAME game as the first one. There seems to be nothing really new or innovative done with it. That still leaves it a good game, but a disappointing sequel.

Mike Pothier

02-13-2005, 11:31 AM

Mike Pothier

02-15-2005, 11:28 PM

This is why you never review a game till you finish it.

I'm on my third world so far, and the game is quickly growing on me. I love the fact that you can build influence with your teammates. It really feels like you're in this together, unlike Kotor 1, where they just seemed to be tagging along for the ride.

I just now built my lightsaber. What a feeling. They really make you value that little ginsu. Anyway, more later. So far, very fun game.

G. Wayne

02-17-2005, 09:57 AM

Sheldon

02-17-2005, 12:23 PM

Only the main character can get prestige classes.
A number of your companions can become jedi it doesn't matter if your are light or dark side...just need enough influence.....they then get one of the 3 standard classes, consular, guardian and sentinel....

Dizzy D

02-18-2005, 04:18 AM

question about kotor 2

the faqs i've skimmed say that you can get certain characters to take jedi classes. is that specific for light side, or is it possible to get your companions to take "sith" class levels? comparable to how the prestige classes are either/or.

or could they go dark jedi, if in class (dark side alignment but jedi levels), but not in name?

They become (dark) Jedi (though if you are evil and manage to make Disciple a Jedi, he mentions becoming a Sith (his character screen says Jedi though).

Having done Telos and about 90% of Dantooine (if KOTOR1 taught me anything, it is never to completely finish planets before visiting all others.), I'm now on the beginning of Nar Shaddaa, level 15 Sentinel/1 Sith Lord. So far I have managed to turn two of my companions to the way of the Force.
My friend is playing light-side and I do have the feeling he has it easier, a lot of talking to my characters gives me LSPs.

And I like this game even more than the first one. (Having luck with a complete lack of bugs and crashes so far adds to it. *crosses fingers to hope it stays that way*)

Genma:TheDestroyer

02-20-2005, 03:29 PM

I'm on my third world so far, and the game is quickly growing on me. I love the fact that you can build influence with your teammates. It really feels like you're in this together, unlike Kotor 1, where they just seemed to be tagging along for the ride.

Heh, that's what I said. I love just watching them bicker or talk about various stuff.

Dizzy D

02-23-2005, 07:06 AM

While reading the Penny-Arcade forums, I found a link to the Obsidian forums wihere somebody found sound files in the game of stuff that was not used in the end-game (go to post 19 if you want to read it with spaces and in a more chronological order) EDIT: and post 115 has a bit about the cut HK-50 factory quests

While this is all stuff not used, do consider it *SPOILERS* if you haven't finished the game yet.

http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?showtopic=29764

Thoughts, comments?

Genma:TheDestroyer

02-24-2005, 07:11 PM

Dizzy D

02-24-2005, 07:55 PM

Some of it was taken out due to time constraints, of course.

But some of the missing storylines and missions (like the HK factory, and lots of backstory about why the androids are going after the Exile in the first place) are already slated to be dealt with in the third game. The game itself is, according to the latest Game Informer, going to deal with The Exile retracing Revan's steps on the Outer Rim.

Maybe time-constraints, but they had full voice-acting (even in several languages) of the missing scenes on the discs... Normally something that would have been done in the final stages of creation AFAIK.

I still love the game as it is though.

Chuckg

02-24-2005, 10:11 PM

But some of the missing storylines and missions (like the HK factory, and lots of backstory about why the androids are going after the Exile in the first place) are already slated to be dealt with in the third game. The game itself is, according to the latest Game Informer, going to deal with The Exile retracing Revan's steps on the Outer Rim.

... so, they cut KOTOR 2 in half and made it incomplete and unsatisfying because they wanted to sell another game? *And* rush this one to completion? Oh, and no Revan?

Right. OK. Fine.

Screw this, and screw them. Somebody else can tell me how KOTOR 3 went, because I'm not touching it until I see it used for $10 in a bargain bin... that'll be about what it's worth, and if I buy used, they don't see my dollar.

Mike Pothier

02-25-2005, 06:19 PM

I have to admit, after beating Kotor 2, that most of it felt rushed.

And Korriban? What the hell was the point of *that* mission? You did *nothing* there except a cave that I won't spoil.

Genma:TheDestroyer

02-25-2005, 10:43 PM

... so, they cut KOTOR 2 in half and made it incomplete and unsatisfying because they wanted to sell another game? *And* rush this one to completion? Oh, and no Revan?

No, I'm willing to wager they planned on including it, but time constraints forced them to back off. If they hadn't planned on including it, the sound files and actual graphics for the scenes wouldn't have been there in the first place. Lucas Arts made them rush the thing out for the holiday season. So, because the developers couldn't fit them in here, they'll do it the next game.

As for Revan, I don't think he was slated to appear in KOTOR II, even before all the cuts. Gamespot was mentioning KOTOR III back near the second quarter of 04. The second game was about the Exile, his past, present, and future. Besides, you get to learn quite a bit about how Revan was trained, what strategies he used, and his methods. So he comes across as even more badass, even though he never appears.

And even in the form it was released, The Sith Lords was worth the price of admission. The game kicked butt. Hunt in the bargain bins if you want, but as long as III doesn't get rushed for the Christmas, I imagine it'll be worth much, much more.

Chuckg

02-26-2005, 04:31 PM

I have to admit, after beating Kotor 2, that most of it felt rushed.

And Korriban? What the hell was the point of *that* mission? You did *nothing* there except a cave that I won't spoil.

I heard that before the big cut, you were supposed to find Jedi Master Lonna Vash /alive/, and she was the one who knew all about Force Bonding, thus giving you another clue to spot that:

Kreia was the big bad.

Edit -- and no, I didn't expect Revan in 2. I *DID* expect him for 3, though -- only now there /is/ no 3, there is merely 2a.

Well, I now believe the stories that George Lucas involved himself thoroughly in the videogame production process. It takes Lucas himself to this thoroughly hack-edit something to death, kill the magic, and enrage formerly fanatic fans to the point where they swear off. No lesser moron could achieve it.

Genma:TheDestroyer

02-26-2005, 08:32 PM

Well, I now believe the stories that George Lucas involved himself thoroughly in the videogame production process. It takes Lucas himself to this thoroughly hack-edit something to death, kill the magic, and enrage formerly fanatic fans to the point where they swear off. No lesser moron could achieve it.

Aside from you, I've yet to encounter someone else who has had such a reaction. The rest (including me) were disappointed some parts got left out, yes, but it didn't instantly destroy the series, or its credibility. KOTOR II was still a really good game, and really expanded on some of the features of the previous one.

Also, remember, the premise of KOTOR III (The Exile tracking down Revan) was established all the way back in the second quarter of 04, long before the decision to cut certain sections from II. This decision did not turn III into 2a. It'll more than likely be III as was planned, but with a few extra missions to tie up loose strings (like the HK plot).

This isn't even close to what Lucas did with the prequels.

Chuckg

02-26-2005, 09:18 PM

Aside from you, I've yet to encounter someone else who has had such a reaction.

Don't go to the Obsidian forums, then.

Genma:TheDestroyer

02-26-2005, 10:20 PM

Don't go to the Obsidian forums, then.

For every 'Bah' topic, I'm seeing three or four extolling the virtues of the game. Many of them saying stuff I did much earlier in this thread.

I saw similar little wars after the releases of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, Halo 2, and even Half-Life 2. Christ, you should have seen the forums after Fable was released.

All four of them were excellent games, but even little things were enough to have literal legions rising up to poo-poo them. So having a bunch of folks get all dramatic about this is nothing surprising.

KameTen

02-26-2005, 10:41 PM

I just would have liked at the end

To have the ability to choose whether or not the Exile would follow Revan, and see who would accompany the main character based on how well the main character's influence the others, rather than get the pre-plotted out ending

Makes me feel like I have more of a choice with the Exile's path than what they gave. Or maybe that part won't exist in the third game, and I still get to find outwho really went and who stayed.

Valmore

02-26-2005, 10:57 PM

All I know is both my wife and I are addicted to the game now, though I've only just left Telos... my search for a no-CD crack continues... so she and I don't have to keep transporting Disc 1 back and forth between computers.

And if anyone knows of one, don't post it here. Technically, cracks are illegal, despite the fact that we own the honest-to-goodness discs we paid for with our own cash. But if you want to PM a link to me, I'd appreciate it.

Gaz

02-28-2005, 02:39 PM

OK, just realized that there are more party characters than you have spaces in your roster. Can anyone give me a list of all the possible party members, where you get them and how (prerequisites, dialogue choices, party choice, etc)?

Sheldon

02-28-2005, 02:50 PM

Gaz

02-28-2005, 02:58 PM

Thanx, that's all I wanted. I thought Handmaiden was quite interesting but was doing it with a female character. I got confused when my buddy got her in his version and I didn't but I got Disciple.I also knew there was a Wookie but didn't know how you got him.

Valmore

03-01-2005, 01:23 AM

This is the best damn computer game I've played since Deus Ex... well, aside from KOTOR: Original.

I love how they took the "Leviathan" concept of making one of the side characters the main character for a spell and added more of them in this game.

G. Wayne

03-02-2005, 09:07 AM

I'm not going into all the details you want Gaz cause thats what faqs are for....but I'll give you the following....

This is by memory.....

You automatically get:
On Peragus
T3-M4 -
Kreia
Atton

On Telos
Bao Dur

On Dxun
Mandalore

On Nar Shaddar
If you are darkside get the wookie guy
lightside you get Mira.

You get Go-To after Nar Shaddar.

If you are a boy you get Handmaiden as you leave Telos.
If you are a girl you get the Disciple on Dantooine

Once you get get 3/4 way to being completely Dark side or light side Visa Marrs will show up on the Ebon Hawk, if you beat her she joins you.

HK-47 - you have to assemble him from parts you find....you should be able to do this after your 2nd planet.

:confused:

as far as visas. after her intro movie at the telos ice station, i was under the impression that when you hit whatever planet you go to next, first time you go back into the ebon hawk, that's when she shows up.

oh, and for mira, anyone know when the games check to see if your light/dark for mira and hanharr? do you have to stay light from the first time she sees you and makes the crack about jedi rising standards, to the meeting in jek-jek tarr? or is it possible to get her if you make it significantly light side by the jek jek tar meeting?

playing nar shadaa completely dark side is just so much more entertaining for me. :)

Dizzy D

03-02-2005, 09:46 AM

:confused:

as far as visas. after her intro movie at the telos ice station, i was under the impression that when you hit whatever planet you go to next, first time you go back into the ebon hawk, that's when she shows up.

oh, and for mira, anyone know when the games check to see if your light/dark for mira and hanharr? do you have to stay light from the first time she sees you and makes the crack about jedi rising standards, to the meeting in jek-jek tarr? or is it possible to get her if you make it significantly light side by the jek jek tar meeting?

playing nar shadaa completely dark side is just so much more entertaining for me. :)

As for Visas:
That's true except for the first time you reenter the Ebon Hawk (Telos). My friend had the bad luck to get Visas at the same time as the Red Slavers on Nar Shadaa...
BTW anybody else get help from teammates against Visas? In my first playthrough I fought her sword-to-lightsabre. This time I'm playing as a blaster-Jedi and T3 and Bao-Dur come in and shoot her as well during the fight.

No clue on the Mira-thing.

Gaz

03-02-2005, 09:54 AM

As for Visas:
That's true except for the first time you reenter the Ebon Hawk (Telos). My friend had the bad luck to get Visas at the same time as the Red Slavers on Nar Shadaa...
BTW anybody else get help from teammates against Visas? In my first playthrough I fought her sword-to-lightsabre. This time I'm playing as a blaster-Jedi and T3 and Bao-Dur come in and shoot her as well during the fight.

No clue on the Mira-thing.
Yep, I did it with a sword but ran to the garage where Bao-Dur jumped in. That's the only way I beat her.

Genma:TheDestroyer

03-02-2005, 10:51 AM

I actually found Visas to be easier when using hth. My character's evade skills seemed to jump up, and he was weaving and waving between just about every attack.

G. Wayne

03-02-2005, 11:07 AM

force lightning f's up visas pretty bad too.

can't help you with light-side though. :D going through the games on as many interesting dark side variants (and trying to corrupt the corruptibles) as i can think of before going light side.

Dizzy D

03-02-2005, 01:00 PM

I actually found Visas to be easier when using hth. My character's evade skills seemed to jump up, and he was weaving and waving between just about every attack.

That's how I did the Mandalorean fighting circle for the fights with vibro-swords. Unarmed Jedis are combat beasts.

Valmore

03-02-2005, 06:36 PM

I have to admit, after beating Kotor 2, that most of it felt rushed.

And Korriban? What the hell was the point of *that* mission? You did *nothing* there except a cave that I won't spoil.

I've only just beaten it as a light side character, and must admit that the ending sequence seemed very rushed and not very inspired. The ending in the first game was much better. Don't know about the dark side ending yet, since I have yet to play an evil character.

And I wouldn't say you did "nothing" on Korriban... you did have to do something besides the cave. My guess is Korriban served two purposes:

(1) Gain influence with Kreia, and

(2) Make a second easy planet for the coders to code. Grab the old code from Korriban (and Dantooine) from the first game, change a few things here and there and VOILA! Quickie planets.

Leslie Lee III

03-05-2005, 04:32 PM

Good game, the ending was wack. You spend lots of time influencing people, seeing how they react, and making decisions, but at the end...

Valmore

03-07-2005, 11:33 PM

Good game, the ending was wack. You spend lots of time influencing people, seeing how they react, and making decisions, but at the end...

Yeah, I just finished it as a dark side character and it was pretty much what I was expecting - same thing as the light side, but with opposite comments. For such a kickass plot and intricate weaving of influence tasks and subplots and characters and everything else... the ending is just a tremendous letdown.

But everything up to the ending rocks on toast.

Genma:TheDestroyer

03-08-2005, 09:30 AM

Heh, I found that working for the Ithorians on Telos kicks butt. Up until now, I've been playing Dark Side characters.

But even the Light Side has a few awesome moments.

*Spoilers*

Folks, the quest with B-4D4 is hilarious. Instead of just doing your objectives, wander around and talk to key people on the station. You can actually extort money from Opo Chano, who can't believe he's getting shaked down by a droid. You can also play mind-games with the droid nearby the docking module, informing him that everyone is now supposed to pay Czerka a tax, and that B-4D4 will collect.

And, of course, we can't forget the moment with T1-N1.

"Farewell, T1-N1. Please do not abuse my trust and fire on the personnel while I'm occupied, thereby creating a diversion that allows me to escape with stolen files."

*End spoilers*

This game rocks.

G. Wayne

03-08-2005, 12:27 PM

Dizzy D

03-17-2005, 02:56 AM

Anybody unlocked all movies yet?

I played through it twice (Female Sith, Male Blaster Jedi) and my friend once (Male Jedi), but I'm still at 55 of the 65 movies.

I never got Go-To to tell me anything yet, so that might be another movie.

I guess I'll have to wait till somebody does a FAQ on GameFAQs for it.

Genma:TheDestroyer

03-17-2005, 02:19 PM

Some of the conversations they have are great, especially when Mira and the Exile are talking about a possible relationship.

*Spoilers*

She tells him she won't get involved, because it would piss off Handmaiden and Visas. Then she'd have to go through the trouble of smacking them both around just to show them who was top dog. She figures it to be too much trouble.

That, and she thinks the Exile is old.

Which leads to him getting all indignant.

"Too old?!"

*End spoilers*

Smokey

03-17-2005, 04:32 PM

ive beaten the game 6 or 7 times and had no clue u unlock anything..lol

Valmore

03-17-2005, 04:46 PM

Does anybody even bother with swoop racing, now that it isn't actually a part of the plot, unlike the first game where you had to swoop race at least once?

Genma:TheDestroyer

03-17-2005, 06:16 PM

Does anybody even bother with swoop racing, now that it isn't actually a part of the plot, unlike the first game where you had to swoop race at least once?

I do, because there's an extremely easy way to beat it.

Drive towards one of the red mine obstacles, then, right before you hit it, press start and quit.

Your swoop will crash through the mine, and act like it got a huge boost. When you hear the time for you race, they'll have recorded the time you had upon hitting the mine. Beat the track in only 10 seconds! :D

Dizzy D

03-18-2005, 01:34 AM

I do, because there's an extremely easy way to beat it.

Drive towards one of the red mine obstacles, then, right before you hit it, press start and quit.

Your swoop will crash through the mine, and act like it got a huge boost. When you hear the time for you race, they'll have recorded the time you had upon hitting the mine. Beat the track in only 10 seconds! :D

I think they removed that glitch from the PC-version. (I also think they removed the double-light side/dark side mastery (getting bonuses for your regular and your prestige class), but I'm not sure.

Anybody installed HK pacificist protocols? One of the funniest things in the game. *insert smiley*

Draconomicon

03-23-2005, 10:05 PM

I think they removed that glitch from the PC-version. (I also think they removed the double-light side/dark side mastery (getting bonuses for your regular and your prestige class), but I'm not sure.

Anybody installed HK pacificist protocols? One of the funniest things in the game. *insert smiley*

How do you do that?

Okey, beat the game now myself (Light side, as light as light goes, but I always took my time to complain about the jedi counsil, they suck).

BEWARE! SPOILER HEAVY!!! (Verily).

Some things that tho.

1. I never found the HK solo mission (PC version. How the hell do you get that one??) I really would have liked closure on that one.

2. Not much to say.
Well, not really, but I already had talked all through with everyone after the 2rd planet :/. There wasnt really a lot to talk with many of the newcomers tho... Some got even really short changed.

3. What was that between T3-M4 and HK?
I mean, there is a scene where HK meets T3 and they talk, and T3 makes HK his b*tch! Force lightning? Pshawh, Droid lightning all the way!
I always hoped to learn what the reason for that was. It seemed to have something to do with the navi comp, but you cannot ask either of them later about that.

4. The *True* Sith empire.
That made me have goosebumps run up my back. The way Kreia was talking about it, it sounded like there is a huge, hidden empire of TRUE Sith out there, and they seemed to be on a scale far above even of the likes of Exar Kun and his fellow Sith Lords of old. (Yes, the way Kreia sounds it, one could say she was talking about the darkness in everyones heart, the possible corruption, but then she talks again about the empire beyond the rim, and how revan went there to fight them, and how both, Sith AND Jedi are needed at his side to fight what may come for him and the Republic).

I really hope they touch upon that in Kotor 3.

5.G0-T0 and the little droid of Bao-Dur on Malachor V.
The droid was meant to blow up the planet if the command comes in, but we never see what happens with them. Next what goes on is the planet going down and our char is saved last minute.
Oh and while we are at it, what about Mira and Hanharr?
Mira survives somehow, ... how??

6. The characters.

Let me first say, they were HORRIBLY (yes, horribly) underused. There was space for TONS of dialgue, and they dropped the ball...

Lets get started:

Darth Nihilus:
Wow, that was underwhelming. He didnt get as much screen time as Sion and was made a legitimate thread on a superscale, what with him wiping out lots of jedi and a whole world of force sensitives with them, but... he fizzled.
It seems he is like a black hole version of the exile, one who like him fed on others, but does so in an increased rate, and the hunger grew with his powers. He also spoke in a very creepy manner, and you really thought "Wow, first Darth Revan, now another cool Dark Lord".
Unfortunately, as you confront him, you first have to fight boringly through his ship, then, when you confront him, he drops, weakened, already to his knees, and its easy to just finish him off.
Visas takes a look at his face, but she doesnt tell you who he was. He was "just a man". I think it could be, that guy was in truth Revan, since, Revan, sion and Nihilus were all studends of Darth Traya, but we wont know until 3, I guess.
We never really learn how he came to be a Dark Force black hole, which saddens me :/

Darth Sion
Darth Malak mixed with Darth Maul. Pretty physical (considering his body is a wreck), and like the physical ying to the force powered yang of Nihilus.. but thats it. He's hunting you a bit, and you run from him. Then smack him several times down until he stays down.
We learn he hates Darth Traya, and once took, her powers away, then he meets up with her again, and suddenly is again her apprentice? How comes THAT to be? Kinda cool visual tho.

Atton.
Never gained enough influence with him to really learn what is up with him. Unfortunately. So, not much to talk about...
The Carth Onasi of Kotor 2, but somehow less interesting...

Bao-Dur
Wow, that guy really doesnt talk a lot.
Half of the game I hoped he'd get some new talk options instead of "nevermind".
And as he gets one... its about him making grenades for me... or mines, or whatever...
Then there was the bit about him being capable of healing Telos, but there is no follow up at ALL to that... :(

G0-T0
I'm somehow sure that is in fact that gangsterboss of the exchange. Its his true body. Or I just dont care. No matter what I tried, I got no influence with him. Bah.

Handmaiden
MORE DIALOGUE for gods sake!
She was my romantic interest! After I had converted her to Jedi'ism, there were NO new options of talk for the whole rest of the travel (around 2/3 of the game...). I am not even sure if the exile and her DID have something... its like everyone else knows something, BUT my character. Mira eludes about her and the exile having something and it being obvious, and Visas too, but I never even got a "I love you" or have been able to tell her it. Up to the end I wasnt sure if she and the exile DID have a relationship now, or not... frustrating. She was beautiful tho...

HK-47
Far less important, far less interesting and funny dialogues, far less worth getting. Meh. Mandalore is everything HK is and more. If we would at least have had something with him kicking the ass of his "inferior" clones... but nooo... ah whatever...

Kreia
Whenever I gained influence, I already lost it again.
Frustrating.
I'd loved to hear more about revan and other stuff, but she wouldnt talk and I'd get just no influence with her. But it was clever how she used the exile, and I *loved* how she seemed to recognize the limitations of both Sithhood and Jedi'ism. Both are failures, imho, and she seemed to think that too.

Mandalore
Pretty cool design.
Not much to say in dialogues, tho :/
I wonder how Canderous did end up inside that life sustaining armor, tho. It seems to have to do something with Revan and his departure.
I really like the Mandalores. They have class.

Mira
What? Dialogues?
You get her to believe there is more to life and the force than what meets the eye. End.
Not very useful neither (imho).
They could have done a lot more character stuff with her, and play up the "you old man" routine.

T3-M4
Best droid in the game.
Very smart and I liked him, but not really a lot to talk about with :(
What is the secret he hides??

Visas
You get her, you talk with her once.
Thats it. She just doesnt get any new text until short before the end.
So much lost potential....

I think the lack of stuff to talk about is hitting me especially hard, since I *Loved* to do that in the game. It was great to find more out about em and their pasts. There was so much space for so much more...

7. the Ending
Okey, I love that we learn what lifes the other members will live out, but we dont even get an ending movie except the ship zooming away from Malachor V?
That is too few :(

8. What else
Much felt like repeating of what you did in Kotor 1 already.
Telos felt a lot like Manaan.
Korriban... why where the tombs closed?
I know revan was in there, but that seriously shortened the time on Korriban. Also, thats a TOMB world! There must be many secrets. It would have been nice uncovering a few of em...
Dxun = Kashyyk.
Felt nearly identically... and I hate both.
The Ravager and Malachor have both too much "Slaughter your way through to boss" stuff. It was boring. At least there should have been one or the other interesting thing to happen...

9. Still....
The game IS fun, and the game IS interesting, and the KotoR Series has something, the trilogy (and the prequels) are missing, and that is mystery and phantasy.
Unlike the movies, there are no miclochondrians (sp?) responsible for the force. The power of the force truly seems to be something supernatural, and then we hear about the powers of the Sith Lords, the secrets of the ancient true sith, the remnants of the last powerful Sith civilisation, etc. It has definitively more flair and sustenance. As I first read about kotor, I expected to get a "primitive Star Wars" gane, kinda like enterprise, the show (the last one, with archer) where nothing works, and bad technology is used, but the games surprised me.

The storylines surprised me. The Villains and heroes are refreshing, the gameplay easy, and the forcepowers interesting. The NPCs you meet are actually unique and have their own personalities. Its lots of fun and I wish they'd actually make Kotor movies ^^.

The game definetly gets a 8/10 from me.
Now I only need to get the courage, to actually play a bad guy for once (I have seriously trouble playing someone evil, lol).

I cannot wait for KotoR 3!

Draconomicon

03-23-2005, 10:06 PM

Oh, and does anyone know about the site where they listed up what all has been cut out from Kotor?

G. Wayne

03-23-2005, 10:33 PM

Oh, and does anyone know about the site where they listed up what all has been cut out from Kotor?

here (http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?showforum=18) somewhere. i can't remember the exact title of the thread, but it's in there.

G. Wayne

03-23-2005, 10:59 PM

SPOILER HEAVY!!! (Verily).

1. I never found the HK solo mission (PC version. How the hell do you get that one??) I really would have liked closure on that one.

the hk legion factory? hate to break it to you, but it was cut from the game.

2. Not much to say.
Well, not really, but I already had talked all through with everyone after the 2rd planet :/. There wasnt really a lot to talk with many of the newcomers tho... Some got even really short changed.

supposedly after beating it ls and ds, you'll get new dialogue.

3. What was that between T3-M4 and HK?
I mean, there is a scene where HK meets T3 and they talk, and T3 makes HK his b*tch! Force lightning? Pshawh, Droid lightning all the way!
I always hoped to learn what the reason for that was. It seemed to have something to do with the navi comp, but you cannot ask either of them later about that.

chalk it up to obsidian being rushed to get the game out. if you gain influence with t3, he is supposed to fill in some bits and pieces from what happened towards kotor 1

4. The *True* Sith empire.
That made me have goosebumps run up my back. The way Kreia was talking about it, it sounded like there is a huge, hidden empire of TRUE Sith out there, and they seemed to be on a scale far above even of the likes of Exar Kun and his fellow Sith Lords of old. (Yes, the way Kreia sounds it, one could say she was talking about the darkness in everyones heart, the possible corruption, but then she talks again about the empire beyond the rim, and how revan went there to fight them, and how both, Sith AND Jedi are needed at his side to fight what may come for him and the Republic).

i still hope that sion considered himself a scion of the true sith...

5.G0-T0 and the little droid of Bao-Dur on Malachor V.
The droid was meant to blow up the planet if the command comes in, but we never see what happens with them. Next what goes on is the planet going down and our char is saved last minute.
Oh and while we are at it, what about Mira and Hanharr?
Mira survives somehow, ... how??

kinda hurts when one gets an idea of how many sub-plots were just flat out abandoned.

6. The characters.

Let me first say, they were HORRIBLY (yes, horribly) underused. There was space for TONS of dialgue, and they dropped the ball...

Lets get started:

Darth Nihilus:
Wow, that was underwhelming. He didnt get as much screen time as Sion and was made a legitimate thread on a superscale, what with him wiping out lots of jedi and a whole world of force sensitives with them, but... he fizzled.
It seems he is like a black hole version of the exile, one who like him fed on others, but does so in an increased rate, and the hunger grew with his powers. He also spoke in a very creepy manner, and you really thought "Wow, first Darth Revan, now another cool Dark Lord".
Unfortunately, as you confront him, you first have to fight boringly through his ship, then, when you confront him, he drops, weakened, already to his knees, and its easy to just finish him off.
Visas takes a look at his face, but she doesnt tell you who he was. He was "just a man". I think it could be, that guy was in truth Revan, since, Revan, sion and Nihilus were all studends of Darth Traya, but we wont know until 3, I guess.
We never really learn how he came to be a Dark Force black hole, which saddens me :/

interesting theory about revan/nihilus. but yeah, agreed they dropped the ball with the guy so "bad-ass" he doesn't even get sub-titles for whatever language he speaks.

Darth Sion
Darth Malak mixed with Darth Maul. Pretty physical (considering his body is a wreck), and like the physical ying to the force powered yang of Nihilus.. but thats it. He's hunting you a bit, and you run from him. Then smack him several times down until he stays down.
We learn he hates Darth Traya, and once took, her powers away, then he meets up with her again, and suddenly is again her apprentice? How comes THAT to be? Kinda cool visual tho.

ah, 'sma boy there. :D
you only go through the game once? play as a female.

Atton.
Never gained enough influence with him to really learn what is up with him. Unfortunately. So, not much to talk about...
The Carth Onasi of Kotor 2, but somehow less interesting...

high influence will open up an insanely loooooooooooooooooooong dialogue about his background. his main purpose as far as i can tell, is to be the pc who comments the most when you come across people.

Bao-Dur
Wow, that guy really doesnt talk a lot.
Half of the game I hoped he'd get some new talk options instead of "nevermind".
And as he gets one... its about him making grenades for me... or mines, or whatever...
Then there was the bit about him being capable of healing Telos, but there is no follow up at ALL to that... :(

agreed. getting influence with him helps some, but unlike disciple (you didn't play female yet, did you?) you have ONE chance to talk him into learning the force. learned that one the hard way.

G0-T0
I'm somehow sure that is in fact that gangsterboss of the exchange. Its his true body. Or I just dont care. No matter what I tried, I got no influence with him. Bah.

...
HK-47
Far less important, far less interesting and funny dialogues, far less worth getting. Meh. Mandalore is everything HK is and more. If we would at least have had something with him kicking the ass of his "inferior" clones... but nooo... ah whatever...

Kreia
Whenever I gained influence, I already lost it again.
Frustrating....

Visas
You get her, you talk with her once.
Thats it. She just doesnt get any new text until short before the end.
So much lost potential....

the influence thing was starting to drive me nuts, till i found this handy dandy little guide on game-faqs...a bulk of the replay value of the game, imho, is trying to get max influence with all the characters/

7. the Ending
Okey, I love that we learn what lifes the other members will live out, but we dont even get an ending movie except the ship zooming away from Malachor V?
That is too few :(
...

The game definetly gets a 8/10 from me.
Now I only need to get the courage, to actually play a bad guy for once (I have seriously trouble playing someone evil, lol).

I cannot wait for KotoR 3!

the citadel station and nar shadaa are so much more fun playing ds, trust me. :evilsmile

yeah, i'm hoping that kotor 3 is actually one of those wacky "properly completed games", but i'll still get it regardless. ah well, on to jedi knight: jedi acedemy.

Dizzy D

03-24-2005, 04:00 AM

How do you do that?

Did you solve the Trade Routes quest?

*Spoilers*
(Give to you by the female Rodian on Nar Shadaa, to return when the other planets have been stabilized). The pacifist protocols are in her inventory. Give for some funny dialogue with HK-47, but even my lightside pacifist Jedi found it too annoying and ripped them out again.
*End spoilers*

2. Not much to say.
Well, not really, but I already had talked all through with everyone after the 2rd planet :/. There wasnt really a lot to talk with many of the newcomers tho... Some got even really short changed.

Are you sure, sometimes a lot of dialogue opens up after certain events. Many NPCs need to see you do good or evil rather than hear you talk about it.

WARNING: From now on SPOILER-heavy!!!

3. What was that between T3-M4 and HK?

T3 went with Revan to the Outer Rim and Revan then returned T3 with the Ebon Hawk to get reinforcements (the Exile and the dead crew). HK found out that T3 had locked the warpdrive (T3's reasons? I guess he was waiting till he thought the Exile was ready to join Revan). T3 takes out HK (probably with his shock-arm) and erases his memory to cover this up. He doesn't want HK to spill the beans till the Exile is ready.

4. The *True* Sith empire.
That made me have goosebumps run up my back. The way Kreia was talking about it, it sounded like there is a huge, hidden empire of TRUE Sith out there, and they seemed to be on a scale far above even of the likes of Exar Kun and his fellow Sith Lords of old.

The true Sith are real, it is the reason Kreia does what she does, Revan has left and so on and so on.

5.G0-T0 and the little droid of Bao-Dur on Malachor V.
Oh and while we are at it, what about Mira and Hanharr?
Mira survives somehow, ... how??

See cut stuff: every one of your characters (with some possible exceptions) was supposed to face their final test on Malachor. The G0-T0/Remote scene was to be resolved by HK-47 and your actions in the factory mission. (I had hoped that Bao-Dur improving upon G0-T0 would also influence it, as in Bao-Dur building in a failsafe. Then again Bao is the trusting type) Without factory mission, not much sense to this. But they still left some of the cutscenes in.

6. The characters.
Visas takes a look at his face, but she doesnt tell you who he was. He was "just a man". I think it could be, that guy was in truth Revan, since, Revan, sion and Nihilus were all studends of Darth Traya, but we wont know until 3, I guess.
We never really learn how he came to be a Dark Force black hole, which saddens me :/

I strongly doubt he was Revan (especially since Revan can be female). Kreia also strongly respects Revan while she has little more than contempt for Sion and Nihilus. I think Nihilus became cut off from the force in the same way the Exile was (by willfully rejecting the Force.) But unlike the Exile, Nihilus became addicted to the Force; therefore Kreia respects the Exile who turned from the Force and decided he just didn't need it, while Nihilus became dependent on it.
As for the "just a man"-line, I think it's one of the best lines in the game. Visas had built up Nihilus as this type of monster in her head, some force of nature that wiped out her planet and enslaved her. When they finally defeat him, she realises Nihilus wasn't this unstoppable force of nature, he could be and was defeated. For all his power, he was just a man. She can now move on with her life.

Darth Sion
We learn he hates Darth Traya, and once took, her powers away, then he meets up with her again, and suddenly is again her apprentice?

Nihilus took her powers away IIRC. When Kreia returns as Darth Traya she is powerful again. Sion, like all Sith, respects power and follows her. (There is a strong love/hate relationship going on here. Which you exploit when you fight Sion.)

Atton.
Never gained enough influence with him to really learn what is up with him. Unfortunately. So, not much to talk about...
The Carth Onasi of Kotor 2, but somehow less interesting...

Ew... wrong, wrong, wrong. Go to Nar Shadaa with Atton in your party and walk through the refugee sector. You'll get the start to his backstory. Believe me that he does have an interesting story.
Atton is one of my favourite RPG characters. (Especially since I mentally sub in one of the cut endings to KotoR II after I read the cut stuff).

Bao-Dur
Wow, that guy really doesnt talk a lot.
Then there was the bit about him being capable of healing Telos, but there is no follow up at ALL to that... :(
Sadly no follow-up on that, you do get some talk options from time to time, but Bao-Dur is a good guy; Words are cheap to him, he must see you doing good things.

G0-T0
I'm somehow sure that is in fact that gangsterboss of the exchange. Its his true body. Or I just dont care. No matter what I tried, I got no influence with him. Bah.

Can't help you, never got enough influence with him. Even as Dark-sider.

Handmaiden
MORE DIALOGUE for gods sake!
She was my romantic interest! After I had converted her to Jedi'ism, there were NO new options of talk for the whole rest of the travel (around 2/3 of the game...).

Handmaiden and Visas are both possible romantic interests for male characters (like Atton and Disciple are for female characters), but it never comes that far. Think of it more as a could-have-been, except the Exile has this destiny he has to fullfil.

HK-47

Nothing to say about HK, I agree with you. Too little to do with him, though there is some fun stuff.

Kreia
Whenever I gained influence, I already lost it again.
Frustrating.
I'd loved to hear more about revan and other stuff, but she wouldnt talk and I'd get just no influence with her. But it was clever how she used the exile, and I *loved* how she seemed to recognize the limitations of both Sithhood and Jedi'ism. Both are failures, imho, and she seemed to think that too.

I think Jolee was a better representative of the 'Grey Side' of the Force. As for influence with her; respect her opinions (even if you don't agree with them, say to her that you are grateful for her opinion whenever you get the option), Kreia is a bit like early X-factor Apocalypse: she wants people to stand up for themselves so they become stronger. Strong survive/weak die-philosophy is her basic idea.
Kreia actually is the easiest person to gain influence with: she has the most points where she can gain or lose influence, many of them unrelated to the Dark or the Light side.

Mandalore
I wonder how Canderous did end up inside that life sustaining armor, tho. It seems to have to do something with Revan and his departure.
I really like the Mandalores. They have class.
He isn't trapped in that armor, the Mandalore is the greatest warrior of the Mandaloreans and gives up his own identity. (comes from the Tales of the Jedi comics) It all has to do with Revan building up his/her forces against the True Sith. After Revan left, Canderous was inspired by Revan and decided to dedicate himself to a goal instead of being just a mercenary. By becoming Mandalore, he gave up being himself so he could unite the Mandaloreans again as a force rather than mercenaries.
But there is not much to talk about with him.

Mira
What? Dialogues?
You get her to believe there is more to life and the force than what meets the eye. End.
Not very useful neither (imho).
They could have done a lot more character stuff with her, and play up the "you old man" routine.

Did you turn her Jedi? And she has several useful abilities (she doesn't trigger mines and she has that wrist-launcher.) But true, she doesn't have too much dialogue.

T3-M4
Best droid in the game.
Very smart and I liked him, but not really a lot to talk about with :(
What is the secret he hides??

As I said above, he knows where Revan went. You can get a lot of bonuses by repairing and reprogramming him and if you get enough influence you can unlock some stuff about Carth/Bastilla.

Visas
You get her, you talk with her once.
Thats it. She just doesnt get any new text until short before the end.
So much lost potential....
True.

I think the lack of stuff to talk about is hitting me especially hard, since I *Loved* to do that in the game. It was great to find more out about em and their pasts. There was so much space for so much more...

I think you underestimate how much there was to talk about. If you all put it together you still have a lot of pages of text. Also you haven't played Dark Side yet and your actions often unlock new dialogues with your partners.

7. the Ending
Okey, I love that we learn what lifes the other members will live out, but we dont even get an ending movie except the ship zooming away from Malachor V?
That is too few :(

Cut stuff again. *sigh*

8. What else

Cut-stuff again: Korriban originally was not intended to be in the game. All last-minute stuff. I do think revisiting the tombs would be of little use. Revan went there and found everything there was to find.
I liked Dxun and Kashyyk. I agree on the Malachor and Ravager, but again cut stuff.

Now I only need to get the courage, to actually play a bad guy for once (I have seriously trouble playing someone evil, lol).

Give in to the Dark Side *insert smiley*

Besides playing Dark Side unlocks a lot more dialogue with for instance HK-47.
And you get to use Hanharr instead of Mira.

Genma:TheDestroyer

03-24-2005, 03:15 PM

And due to a glitch, you can actually make Hanharr the out and out strongest character in the game.

There is a conversation choice that keeps popping up, which gives you DS points, lowers his Intelligence by 2, and increases his Strength by 2.

Keep it up, and something funky happens. Instead of going into the negatives, Hanharr's Intelligence will instead flip around to about 255 or so.

You end up with a Wookie that has more strength than anyone, and enough skills to put Bao-dur to shame. Oh, and he helped you turn even further dark.

If you go Dark-side, you essentially get an unstoppable fragging machine. I typically just sit back and watch him blow through entire squads like they're wet tissue paper and he's an M-80.

Anyone want me to find the exact conversation for them?

Dizzy D

03-24-2005, 03:54 PM

And due to a glitch, you can actually make Hanharr the out and out strongest character in the game.

If he has the PC-version, it's more than possible that glitch was removed. During my third playthrough I tried some of the mentioned glitches and only the infinit spawning of enemies in the cave seemed to work.

Valmore

03-24-2005, 07:47 PM

RE: Kreia -

You would THINK it would be easier to gain infulence with Kreia by doing dark side things, but they have to be dark side with a purpose.

For instance:

In Nar Shaddaa, when you enter the refugee sector, you run into a guy who thinks he has the plauge (he doesn't, but he is sick). You can either heal him and get light side points and positive influence with one of your Jedi-turnable companions. OR you can convince him to commit suicide so as "not to infect everyone else." This route will give you dark side points, but it will also gain you influence with Kreia.

Why? My guess is, since the man is weak-minded and thinks he's going to die, he's already set his path. Why not push him along it a bit and help the gene pool out?

However, wanton slaughter will lose you influence with Kreia. For instance, in the military base on Telos, you can either help the Czerka guy by leading him to the exit (big pain the butt). OR you can just keep insisting on seeing his goods and threaten to kill him. You kill him, and Kreia (if she's with you) gets pissy. She feels you could have found a better solution.

And, like Dizzy said, at times if you merely respect her opinion you can gain influence without going to either side. Such as on Onderon after you help the Queen. Kreia suggests killing him. You can choose the, "I respect your opinion, but it's not my decision" conversation option. You gain no light/dark side points (since you effectively put the distasteful decision in the hands of a "higher authority of the planet" and washed your hands of it) but you gain influence with Kreia for listening to her.

Also, it's helpful to end a dialouge if you think you've gained influence with someone and then restart a new dialouge. For some reason, I think it adds/subtracts your influence at the end of each conversation. You may open up those other influence-based options you didn't have the first time around.

Leslie Lee III

03-24-2005, 08:13 PM

If he has the PC-version, it's more than possible that glitch was removed. During my third playthrough I tried some of the mentioned glitches and only the infinit spawning of enemies in the cave seemed to work.

The Infinite Handmaiden Influence and Infinite Handmaiden Robes glitch still works. You can also get infinite darkside at the track betting place with the right comments. And lots of bad glitches were still in the game, so I'm not sure that they actually tried to fix anything.

Draconomicon

03-24-2005, 08:22 PM

here (http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?showforum=18) somewhere. i can't remember the exact title of the thread, but it's in there.
Thanks, found it ^^

Draconomicon

03-24-2005, 08:33 PM

the hk legion factory? hate to break it to you, but it was cut from the game.

*sigh*
Too bad. The sub-plot with HK actually seemed to be decent. And it would have allowed to highlight HK and his humor more.

supposedly after beating it ls and ds, you'll get new dialogue.

Hm, well, now Im going Darkside then ^^.

chalk it up to obsidian being rushed to get the game out. if you gain influence with t3, he is supposed to fill in some bits and pieces from what happened towards kotor 1

*hrmbl*
I so want to know what Revan found out there.

i still hope that sion considered himself a scion of the true sith...
Don't think that will be revealed. Accgd. to the Starwars website, the Sith had red skin, and were a bit insectoid (How interbreeding works there...)

kinda hurts when one gets an idea of how many sub-plots were just flat out abandoned.

Sub-plots which were interesting

interesting theory about revan/nihilus. but yeah, agreed they dropped the ball with the guy so "bad-ass" he doesn't even get sub-titles for whatever language he speaks.

It would have been nice if they'd build him up more. Have him devour a few more planets on his way, and for gods sake, dont let him drop to his knee's because of weakness right in front of the "hero"!!!!

ah, 'sma boy there.
you only go through the game once? play as a female.

I dont usualy play female chars. I cannot really get "in character" that way :(
Which I prefer ^^.

high influence will open up an insanely loooooooooooooooooooong dialogue about his background. his main purpose as far as i can tell, is to be the pc who comments the most when you come across people.

Hmm.. I just never really got influence up.
I guess he just opened up to you because you played a female char :P ;)

agreed. getting influence with him helps some, but unlike disciple (you didn't play female yet, did you?) you have ONE chance to talk him into learning the force. learned that one the hard way.

Nope, male.
The bearded one ^^. Light side.

the influence thing was starting to drive me nuts, till i found this handy dandy little guide on game-faqs...a bulk of the replay value of the game, imho, is trying to get max influence with all the characters/

Oh yes. I did see it, but I like to *play* games, and not read a book about what I am supposed to do, lol ^^. Therefore I often do not access those guides. I guess it turned me off of them as I saw how much guides and planning and learning goes into creating "perfect" characters for Anarchy online, knight online, diablo 2, etc... :/

the citadel station and nar shadaa are so much more fun playing ds, trust me.

Soon my shadow shall be cast upon the universe ^^

yeah, i'm hoping that kotor 3 is actually one of those wacky "properly completed games", but i'll still get it regardless. ah well, on to jedi knight: jedi acedemy.

Not if Lucasarts gives again a deadline of 12 months... thats just too few time for a game of kotors calibre...

Draconomicon

03-24-2005, 09:01 PM

Did you solve the Trade Routes quest?

*Spoilers*
(Give to you by the female Rodian on Nar Shadaa, to return when the other planets have been stabilized). The pacifist protocols are in her inventory. Give for some funny dialogue with HK-47, but even my lightside pacifist Jedi found it too annoying and ripped them out again.
*End spoilers*

Ah, yes. I solved that quest. In fact, I had every quest except Dantooine (have them accept jedi again) and the one where a slimey slave trader searched for a new dancer for his hutt, in that bar.
How do I add those protocols to HK?

Are you sure, sometimes a lot of dialogue opens up after certain events. Many NPCs need to see you do good or evil rather than hear you talk about it.

WARNING: From now on SPOILER-heavy!!!

That might explain... I usualy tried to have jedi go with me, (excuse is atton on Nar shadda, but he didnt really give me much there...

Oh, and whats with that beggar at the beginning who tells you, he'll keep his eyes open for informations, but never tells you something? :(

T3 went with Revan to the Outer Rim and Revan then returned T3 with the Ebon Hawk to get reinforcements (the Exile and the dead crew). HK found out that T3 had locked the warpdrive (T3's reasons? I guess he was waiting till he thought the Exile was ready to join Revan). T3 takes out HK (probably with his shock-arm) and erases his memory to cover this up. He doesn't want HK to spill the beans till the Exile is ready.

It just sucks that there was no follow up to that. There has been so much left dangling, without resolve, that we have to guess a lot.
That shouldnt be in a game of that size. I can understand why HK would try to prevent the exile from going to Revan YET, but they should give at least some semi-explanation instead of just "someone locked navi comp.. FZZZZZ" and then nothing anymore.

The true Sith are real, it is the reason Kreia does what she does, Revan has left and so on and so on.

Now I have a problem tho.
I read up on the Sith, and while they had a lot of knowledge about the Darkside, they were primitive. They prayed to the Dark Jedi who came as GODS, hence, them being Sith Lords. And then they interbred, and the last *true* sith died by Exar Kuns hands...

So, what "Sith" are out there? And how come they are so much more powerful than the human / interbred sith, when they were nothing more than slaves and servants to those in the first place?

See cut stuff: every one of your characters (with some possible exceptions) was supposed to face their final test on Malachor. The G0-T0/Remote scene was to be resolved by HK-47 and your actions in the factory mission. (I had hoped that Bao-Dur improving upon G0-T0 would also influence it, as in Bao-Dur building in a failsafe. Then again Bao is the trusting type) Without factory mission, not much sense to this. But they still left some of the cutscenes in.

*grumbles silently*
I hate that. They left so much open. And it sucks even more, because the game was great outside of the cut stuff.

I strongly doubt he was Revan (especially since Revan can be female). Kreia also strongly respects Revan while she has little more than contempt for Sion and Nihilus. I think Nihilus became cut off from the force in the same way the Exile was (by willfully rejecting the Force.) But unlike the Exile, Nihilus became addicted to the Force; therefore Kreia respects the Exile who turned from the Force and decided he just didn't need it, while Nihilus became dependent on it.

As for the "just a man"-line, I think it's one of the best lines in the game. Visas had built up Nihilus as this type of monster in her head, some force of nature that wiped out her planet and enslaved her. When they finally defeat him, she realises Nihilus wasn't this unstoppable force of nature, he could be and was defeated. For all his power, he was just a man. She can now move on with her life.

See. There is that problem again. No clarification. We are left with "guess" work again. We know next to nothing about Nihilus and why and how and stuff. They didnt give us the smallest hint about the truth behind that guy.

Oh, dont take me wrong. The "Just a man" scene is definitily one of the most powerful ones in the game, it just did fell so flat... we only saw Nihilus once ( or twice?) before, in small cutscenes, and then he was patheticly weak as you confront him.. that just did really lessen the impact... Also, I'd like to know who was behind the mask. Somehow, I think, they wont reveal that in Kotor 3... it will probably just being forgotten... another unresolved thing..

Nihilus took her powers away IIRC. When Kreia returns as Darth Traya she is powerful again. Sion, like all Sith, respects power and follows her. (There is a strong love/hate relationship going on here. Which you exploit when you fight Sion.)

Again, we need to guess. I dont remember where they said that. In the cut scene, she just says how they humilated her, and she looks up to Nihilus (who seemed to be the dominant of the two Siths). But a bit more informations would have been nice... Also, why the heck did she have TWO Apprentices?
Wasnt that already the "one master and one apprentice" time?

Ew... wrong, wrong, wrong. Go to Nar Shadaa with Atton in your party and walk through the refugee sector. You'll get the start to his backstory. Believe me that he does have an interesting story.
Atton is one of my favourite RPG characters. (Especially since I mentally sub in one of the cut endings to KotoR II after I read the cut stuff).

hmmm... I did have him there... I guess I missed a sooner opportunity to gain influence with him? :(

And I read the cut out stuff now. Damn, who would have thought that guys has marbles of steel? And it was sad... emotional, POWERFUL... and of course cut... *grmbl*

Sadly no follow-up on that, you do get some talk options from time to time, but Bao-Dur is a good guy; Words are cheap to him, he must see you doing good things.

I had him with me on the Mandalore missions. Was a great help. Still didnt talk a lot. I recognized soon the game is massively easier with jedi in your team than blastermasters.

Can't help you, never got enough influence with him. Even as Dark-sider.

I really didnt like that guy, so thats not a problem :)

Draconomicon

03-24-2005, 09:02 PM

Handmaiden and Visas are both possible romantic interests for male characters (like Atton and Disciple are for female characters), but it never comes that far. Think of it more as a could-have-been, except the Exile has this destiny he has to fullfil.

Which sucks... imho. I liked the tender moments between Revan and Batista in 1. This was like "Okey, you got her, lets drop all the sweety talk and get to bussiness." I mean, WTH? They just found to each other and now no option anymore opens up for them talking about it?
Again WTH?

I rejected visas. I felt that came totally out of the left. For gods sake, you dont even talk a lot with her. I had her with me on some missions and she commented about how nice I am tho ^^.

Nothing to say about HK, I agree with you. Too little to do with him, though there is some fun stuff.

He is still funny, but he gets too few screentime.
They dropped the ball. I think he was a fan favorite.

I think Jolee was a better representative of the 'Grey Side' of the Force. As for influence with her; respect her opinions (even if you don't agree with them, say to her that you are grateful for her opinion whenever you get the option), Kreia is a bit like early X-factor Apocalypse: she wants people to stand up for themselves so they become stronger. Strong survive/weak die-philosophy is her basic idea.
Kreia actually is the easiest person to gain influence with: she has the most points where she can gain or lose influence, many of them unrelated to the Dark or the Light side.

I found out about "respecting her opinions" nearly at the end, lol. At that time I was beyond caring. Not to mention, there is a scene where, if you agree with her, you loose influence with atton. Agree with him, loose influence with her. In the end I had no influence with neither, lol.

He isn't trapped in that armor, the Mandalore is the greatest warrior of the Mandaloreans and gives up his own identity. (comes from the Tales of the Jedi comics) It all has to do with Revan building up his/her forces against the True Sith. After Revan left, Canderous was inspired by Revan and decided to dedicate himself to a goal instead of being just a mercenary. By becoming Mandalore, he gave up being himself so he could unite the Mandaloreans again as a force rather than mercenaries.
But there is not much to talk about with him.

I thought I read somewhere that he actually was hurt... kinda like the Darth vader thing on a lower level. Hm, maybe I find that scene again (or did I read that somewhere?) But I like him. Mandalore is kinda cool. Like the Klingons without bad make up and horrible temper ^^. I think he'll be devastated as soon as he finds out he and the Mandalores were manipulated by some unseen force to fight against the republic...

Did you turn her Jedi? And she has several useful abilities (she doesn't trigger mines and she has that wrist-launcher.) But true, she doesn't have too much dialogue.

That option unfortunately never came up? :(
I only was able to tell her I'll show her how a jedi see's the world. Nothing more...

As I said above, he knows where Revan went. You can get a lot of bonuses by repairing and reprogramming him and if you get enough influence you can unlock some stuff about Carth/Bastilla.

I repaired him nearly completly. I only had to upgrade / repair his computer once more, but proved incapable at my levels to do so (lv 26).

I think you underestimate how much there was to talk about. If you all put it together you still have a lot of pages of text. Also you haven't played Dark Side yet and your actions often unlock new dialogues with your partners.

The problem to me was, that I already had talked with them about nearly everything after half of the game, and there did nothing new unlock :(
I must either have done something wrong, or really already talked about everything with em.

Cut stuff again. *sigh*

*sighs*

Cut-stuff again: Korriban originally was not intended to be in the game. All last-minute stuff. I do think revisiting the tombs would be of little use. Revan went there and found everything there was to find.
I liked Dxun and Kashyyk. I agree on the Malachor and Ravager, but again cut stuff.

Guess they decided they had too few stuff in the game, a week before they had to ship the game to the presses, lol ^^.
As I said, I think on Korriban are a LOT more tombs than just those 4. Since Korriban is obviously a world of those "True Sith", there must be ancient secrets somewhere.

Which brings me to Malachar V