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Gail Simone
10-14-2009, 01:56 PM
I have a ton of Conservative creators in comics, some in, some out of the Conservative closet, and I dearly love these folks.
When Ethan Van Sciver writers about Conservative topics, he is hilarious and provoking and sometimes irritating, but I really enjoy reading his stuff. Bill Willingham has written some truly graceful Conservative articles...I completely disagree with his premise, often, but the man can WRITE.
But...urgh, James Hudnall, whose comics I enjoyed (haven't seen any in quite a while), just doesn't seem to have that knack. Most of his articles at bighollywood are pretty thoughtless and goofy, but THIS one is just a tin-eared train wreck.
It's based on the outrage that some school children sang a song about the President. It's supposed to be parody, but unfortunately, Hudnall has no ear for it whatsoever and it just hurts my head to read. JAMES! COME BACK AND WRITE ESPERS! This stuff is NOT WORKING!
I can't help it, I found this hopelessly depressing.
Reprinted in its entirety from bighollywood.com
obama_contempt
We recently found out that a bunch of kids in New Jersey and yesterday on CNN were told to sing songs praising President Barack Hussein Obama. This particular song caused a lot of outcry, probably because it swiped bits from “Jesus Loves Me” and “Battle Hymn of the Republic” while trying to mold them into little Obamaites.
Well, in the spirit of fairness we should provide a counter-song the kids can sing to cleanse their minds of indoctrination and give them a more accurate assessment of our 44th president:
Mmm mmm mmm Barack Hussein Obama
He has an ego so darn large we cannot fit it on a barge
Mmm mmm mmm Barack Hussein Obama
He said he has accomplishments but we have not seen any yet
Mmm mmm mmm Barack Hussein Obama
He said he was a capitalist but is loved by many communists
Mmm mmm mmm Barack Hussein Obama
He said he saved the economy, a claim as bogus as Astrology
Mmm mmm mmm Barack Hussein Obama
Chicago Olympics he tried to sell, but Copenhagen didn’t like the smell
Mmm mmm mmm Barack Hussein Obama
He said he’d be transparent but his records are hidden behind lots of cement
Mmm mmm mmm Barack Hussein Obama
He promised he was one of us, but then he threw us under a bus
Mmm mmm mmm Barack Hussein Obama
He has so many nutty czars they’re as useful as clunker cars
Mmm mmm mmm Barack Hussein Obama
He promised Hope and Change, but all we got was a falling stock exchange
Mmm mmm mmm Barack Hussein Obama
Fidel, Hugo and Muammar praised him much, perhaps like them he’s a bit touched
Mmm mmm mmm Barack Hussein Obama
His campaign motto was “Yes We Can!” but now we know that was just spam
Mmm mmm mmm Barack Hussein Obama
He said he was going to save our hide, instead he took us for a ride
By the way, the chant reminds me of a “Star Trek” episode where a bunch of kids are being used by some space divorce lawyer in a feathery muumuu.
FeminineMystique
10-14-2009, 02:06 PM
That song is a perfect example of why posting an article while drinking heavily is never a good idea
Bob Violence
10-14-2009, 02:07 PM
I think to write that sort of thing well, you have to recognize where your own "don't get me started.." zone is and avoid that place at all cost.
Amazing that some folks can't get over the fact that the President's middle name is Hussain.
since he doesn't go by that, do they really think that repeating it over and over is going to "scare" people into thinking that he's a Muslim?
speaking of Middle names, didn't Hudnall used to go by James D. Hudnall?
guess he dropped the "Dickhead" because he was worried some gay liberal might make up a song about him.
Perry Holley
10-14-2009, 02:23 PM
COME BACK AND WRITE ESPERS! If this was a better world, perhaps it would happen.
Arrogantcur
10-14-2009, 02:24 PM
Well, um...it rhymes...that's something, right? The ability to think of two words that rhyme?
Rhyming is funny! :wink:
7thangel
10-14-2009, 02:30 PM
but it fits in really well with the rest of bighollywood. it lives up to it's standards
FeminineMystique
10-14-2009, 02:41 PM
Well, um...it rhymes...that's something, right? The ability to think of two words that rhyme?
Rhyming is funny! :wink:
Actually a lot of it doesn't even manage to do that:tongue: It's really just a rant with random "Mm hmmm" thrown in
dupont2005
10-14-2009, 02:46 PM
the very few contributions to bighollywood i wasted my time with were perfect examples of the racism, bigotry, and ignorance one would expect to find on a site like that
jesse_custer
10-14-2009, 02:48 PM
The meter of that song--or rather, complete lack thereof--is absolutely atrocious and destroys any potential comedy.
Spackling Compound
10-14-2009, 02:49 PM
Haha..."I'm not picking on Conservatives, just saying...."
Those conservatives and their conservative conservatism! I hear that the ones who are funny made a deal with Satan and have to drink the blood of a twin!
Now liberals are liberally funny 'cuz they liberate liberally mega-liberal.
Gail Simone
10-14-2009, 02:51 PM
The meter of that song--or rather, complete lack thereof--is absolutely atrocious and destroys any potential comedy.
Exactly, AND the 'rhymes' are terrible, clumsy and unfunny.
Gail Simone
10-14-2009, 02:52 PM
Haha..."I'm not picking on Conservatives, just saying...."
Those conservatives and their conservative conservatism! I hear that the ones who are funny made a deal with Satan and have to drink the blood of a twin!
Now liberals are liberally funny 'cuz they liberate liberally mega-liberal.
Whatever.
I'm saying that there's GOOD writing and there's THIS stuff.
That JonoGuy
10-14-2009, 02:58 PM
Oh my, That was pretty terrible. I only know James from his Malibu comic Hardcase. Obviously I haven't been keeping up with his career.
Gail Simone
10-14-2009, 03:05 PM
Bad comedy is always a pain, but bad poetic comedy just hits me right in the unfunny bone.
FeminineMystique
10-14-2009, 03:09 PM
Whatever.
I'm saying that there's GOOD writing and there's THIS stuff.
Exactly. The guy could be the most liberal liberal who ever liberal-ed, and he still wouldn't be funny.
Matt Algren
10-14-2009, 03:17 PM
I give you Exhibit B (http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2009/10/this-is-real-thing-in-world_06.html), Joe the Plumber doing stand up comedy. For reals.
Arrogantcur
10-14-2009, 03:19 PM
Actually a lot of it doesn't even manage to do that:tongue: It's really just a rant with random "Mm hmmm" thrown in
But rants with random "mm hmmms" thrown in are funny! Laugh, damn you! Prove that you aren't dead inside, you pinko! :tongue:
Seriously, though, this is pretty boring stuff. There wasn't a single line that came close to making me chuckle, let alone laugh, and that's not just because I believe the opposite of what he does. If his goal had been to shock or offend instead of entertain then he would still have fallen short, because while I was reading this I was thinking that all of these criticisms were stuff I'd heard a million times before. The very few statements I might agree with, such as the fact that there could be more transparency in the White House today or that he hasn't done as much as he could have (I'm thinking about getting rid of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" and prosecuting people for torture and other stuff, even though I'm sure Hudnall's idea of what Obama should be doing is very different from mine), aren't entertaining. I don't feel like laughing, I feel like saying "Yes, I'm surprised he hasn't been more open, and it's disappointing. But 'hidden behind lots of cement'? Phrasing it like that sounds kind of stupid."
By the way, the line about the czars reminded me of a sign I'd seen in this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1HFzw8lF7k&feature=channel_page) of some teabaggers.
The sign said of Obama: "More czars than the U.S.S.R."
Think about that for a second. You'll need to know basic Russian history in order to see what's wrong with that sign, but I think most people here do. :rolleyes:
MacQuarrie
10-14-2009, 03:51 PM
Haha..."I'm not picking on Conservatives, just saying...."
Those conservatives and their conservative conservatism! I hear that the ones who are funny made a deal with Satan and have to drink the blood of a twin!
Now liberals are liberally funny 'cuz they liberate liberally mega-liberal.
Is your YABS schtick supposed to be "guy who consistently misses the point"? I'd like to make a note of it.
Spackling Compound
10-14-2009, 03:58 PM
Is your YABS schtick supposed to be "guy who consistently misses the point"? I'd like to make a note of it.
It was just the mention of conservative over and over and over again in the opening post.
Like "Cry for Conservative".
FeminineMystique
10-14-2009, 03:58 PM
But rants with random "mm hmmms" thrown in are funny! Laugh, damn you! Prove that you aren't dead inside, you pinko! :tongue:
Seriously, though, this is pretty boring stuff. There wasn't a single line that came close to making me chuckle, let alone laugh, and that's not just because I believe the opposite of what he does. If his goal had been to shock or offend instead of entertain then he would still have fallen short, because while I was reading this I was thinking that all of these criticisms were stuff I'd heard a million times before. The very few statements I might agree with, such as the fact that there could be more transparency in the White House today or that he hasn't done as much as he could have (I'm thinking about getting rid of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" and prosecuting people for torture and other stuff, even though I'm sure Hudnall's idea of what Obama should be doing is very different from mine), aren't entertaining. I don't feel like laughing, I feel like saying "Yes, I'm surprised he hasn't been more open, and it's disappointing. But 'hidden behind lots of cement'? Phrasing it like that sounds kind of stupid."
By the way, the line about the czars reminded me of a sign I'd seen in this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1HFzw8lF7k&feature=channel_page) of some teabaggers.
The sign said of Obama: "More czars than the U.S.S.R."
Think about that for a second. You'll need to know basic Russian history in order to see what's wrong with that sign, but I think most people here do. :rolleyes:
It's a bit like waving a sign saying "More hip, popular, well liked Jews than Nazi Germany!":tongue:
Chris Lang
10-14-2009, 04:14 PM
The sign said of Obama: "More czars than the U.S.S.R."
Think about that for a second. You'll need to know basic Russian history in order to see what's wrong with that sign, but I think most people here do. :rolleyes:
It would have been more accurate to have said 'More Czars than Russia ever had', of course.
As for Hudnall's poem, it reminds me of lame attempts at amateur poetry I've read on the Internet. Some of them are intended to be parodies of popular songs, but they completely mangle the meter to the point where I can't imagine those lyrics being sung to the tune of the song they're supposed to be sung to the tune of.
Advice to Hudnall: Stick to prose fiction and comic book writing, because you're not very good at poem/song writing.
40footwolf
10-14-2009, 08:12 PM
He said he’d be transparent but his records are hidden behind lots of cement
Guy who's name I don't remember who wrote this line, you fucking suck, forever.
Man should take some lessons from Seanbaby. (http://www.cracked.com/blog/five-new-ways-to-mock/)
dupersuper
10-14-2009, 11:41 PM
Isn't Hudnell the writer of Lex Luthor: The Unauthorized Biography? I liked that book. I am now sad.
Night Swordsman
10-15-2009, 12:00 AM
Isn't Hudnell the writer of Lex Luthor: The Unauthorized Biography? I liked that book. I am now sad.
I am going to get serious for a moment folks. Pardon me.
This is one of the reasons i dislike meeting comic creators. They write words that i adore and draw art that makes my heart beat faster, but when you encounter them...they can possibly be total jerks. I rather have the fantasy and good will i feel about them than to sour years of enjoyment and entertainment.
Case in point: John Byrne. I grew up LOVING his stuff. To me, George Perez and John Byrne were like ROCK STARS to me, and their art has given me years of pleasure.
Now, without making rude remarks or even judgments, i have seen his website and comments made about various topics. And i disagree with a LOT of them, leaving a negative image of John Byrne in my mind. How do i balance the years of enjoyment to these statements which i strongly disagree with? Do i toss out my childhood because i find that it is possible a hero of mine has feet of clay?
In the end, i came up with a simple solution: Seperate the art from the artist. It is NOT a perfect solution, but it is one i can live with. It is also one i can judge on a case by case basis. I like Todd McFarlanes art to a degree, but his real life antics have upset me to the point that i have no desire to purchase anything made by him again, even if it is something i like, until he tries to make compensation to the many people he has hurt. I found this to be the extreme i have come to on this. In general, i buy what i like, but i do try to seperate things i hear online about different comic creators from the work they are producing.
Hope this helps others thinking the same thing.
JAMES! COME BACK AND WRITE ESPERS!
I agree, it was a fun series. (a few i didn't get to read)
Though I ask with reservations as I only know his Espers working with Greg Land, so.... :wink:
Evan Waters
10-15-2009, 01:03 AM
The meter of that song--or rather, complete lack thereof--is absolutely atrocious and destroys any potential comedy.
I stumbled over that too, especially since I saw about five seconds of the actual song and it clearly wasn't like that.
ShaunN
10-15-2009, 04:03 AM
I am going to get serious for a moment folks. Pardon me.
This is one of the reasons i dislike meeting comic creators. They write words that i adore and draw art that makes my heart beat faster, but when you encounter them...they can possibly be total jerks. I rather have the fantasy and good will i feel about them than to sour years of enjoyment and entertainment.
Case in point: John Byrne. I grew up LOVING his stuff. To me, George Perez and John Byrne were like ROCK STARS to me, and their art has given me years of pleasure.
Now, without making rude remarks or even judgments, i have seen his website and comments made about various topics. And i disagree with a LOT of them, leaving a negative image of John Byrne in my mind. How do i balance the years of enjoyment to these statements which i strongly disagree with? Do i toss out my childhood because i find that it is possible a hero of mine has feet of clay?
In the end, i came up with a simple solution: Seperate the art from the artist. It is NOT a perfect solution, but it is one i can live with. It is also one i can judge on a case by case basis. I like Todd McFarlanes art to a degree, but his real life antics have upset me to the point that i have no desire to purchase anything made by him again, even if it is something i like, until he tries to make compensation to the many people he has hurt. I found this to be the extreme i have come to on this. In general, i buy what i like, but i do try to seperate things i hear online about different comic creators from the work they are producing.
Hope this helps others thinking the same thing.
This is a good general principle. On the whole, I am not a fan of anybody and I usually don't bother even trying to communicate with people whose work I admire - Gail is an exception here.
What you describe above is the best approach when it comes to dealing with artists. The same idea applies, for example, to Roman Polanski - I can admire him as a filmmaker while not making any excuses for his reprehensible personal conduct. The same can be said of Picasso, who was also a crappy human being, and innumerable others who fit into this mold. There is the question of how much being a disgusting human being (to put it simplistically) is connected to the creation of great art, at least for some people. But, even if there is an unbreakable connection, it does not change the need to draw the distinction between the art and the artist.
Charles RB
10-15-2009, 04:28 AM
Exactly, AND the 'rhymes' are terrible, clumsy and unfunny.
Does the second line even have a rhyme?
(And why the "clunker cars" bit? The scheme worked and demand was high)
Cam63
10-15-2009, 06:53 AM
I give you Exhibit B (http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2009/10/this-is-real-thing-in-world_06.html), Joe the Plumber doing stand up comedy. For reals.
Can't the " Your 15 Minutes of Fame Are Up, Bub " mafia deal with this wanker ?
Bob Violence
10-15-2009, 07:46 AM
Can't the " Your 15 Minutes of Fame Are Up, Bub " mafia deal with this wanker ?
In olden times, yeah, but these days, even with the endless supply of 'reality tv stars' they will just do something stupider and more offensive to claw their way back into the limelight, even if it's the "Joe the Plumber in Rehab" show or the "Gosselin Family Train Wreck" show.
suedenim
10-15-2009, 07:52 AM
Bad comedy is always a pain, but bad poetic comedy just hits me right in the unfunny bone.
Yeah, this is why 99% of "filking" sets my teeth on edge. Every once in a while you'll see a truly funny song parody, but the bad ones are much, much more common.
Mercurialblonde
10-15-2009, 08:05 AM
I don't think conservative positions lend themselves to that much humor. Most of their positions are pro-establishment bullying, and comedy works best when it's anti-establishment. The anti-establishment wing of conservatism, tends to be racist homophobic nutjobs, which isn't really that funny.
People want the comic as a kind of social bandit. They like like a Carlin or Pryor or Hicks out there raging against the man, standing up for people's rights...not y'know...testifying about god and jesus, and tax cuts for the wealthy.
I should check that somewhat, conservatives are not in and of themselves funny. But they are funny to laugh at. See also: Glen Beck and Sean Hannity.
Plus it doesn't help that there aren't many jews in conservatism. Hard to be great at comedy without any jews on your side.
Charles RB
10-15-2009, 08:25 AM
I don't think conservative positions lend themselves to that much humor.
Ian Hislop (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Hislop) would disagree - I've heard him say he thinks political satire is conservative because (I'm paraphrasing here) a lot of it is going to be about how this new thing doesn't work very well and something else worked better. And he's openly conservative (though supports the Lib Dems on economic matters).
Typo Lad
10-15-2009, 08:37 AM
Plus it doesn't help that there aren't many jews in conservatism. Hard to be great at comedy without any jews on your side.
Actually, there are a ton of Jewish conservatives, much more than there used to be.
Sean Walsh
10-15-2009, 09:00 AM
Bad comedy is always a pain, but bad poetic comedy just hits me right in the unfunny bone.
Indeed. You gotta be a decent lyricist to make poetry work. I could one read one or two verses of that before I punched my screen.
But was it meant to be comedy? I couldn't tell. Mocking, sure, but meant to be funny..... *shrugs* Either way, though, it sucked.
Sean Walsh
10-15-2009, 09:03 AM
Actually, there are a ton of Jewish conservatives, much more than there used to be.
Wasn't that the original definition of neo-cons back in Bush's first few years as POTUS: they were Jewish ultra-conservatives...?
Indeed. You gotta be a decent lyricist to make poetry work. I could one read one or two verses of that before I punched my screen.
But was it meant to be comedy? I couldn't tell. Mocking, sure, but meant to be funny..... *shrugs* Either way, though, it sucked.
but. . . he kept calling him "Hussain"
surely that's funny!
at least that's what Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Michael Steele, Ann Coulter, ad nauseum, seem to be implying.
Cam63
10-15-2009, 09:07 AM
but. . . he kept calling him "Hussain"
surely that's funny!
at least that's what Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Michael Steele, Ann Coulter, ad nauseum, seem to be implying.
Dey still be t'inkin' dem Aye-rab names be proof enuff whut dey be implyin'.
Dey smart dat whay.
Ethan Van Sciver
10-15-2009, 11:29 AM
Hm. Well, I covered the first Obama child's hymn on my Facebook page, the wacky one from the campaign that ended in a cacophony of yes-we-cans and change-its. And it was delightful and melodic when I sang it.
These weird little bits of Obamaism are parodies on their faces, and don't need to be rewritten. Just quoted. :wink:
Ethan Van Sciver
10-15-2009, 11:30 AM
but. . . he kept calling him "Hussain"
surely that's funny!
at least that's what Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Michael Steele, Ann Coulter, ad nauseum, seem to be implying.
It's getting funnier every day, actually! :)
gryhpon
10-15-2009, 11:34 AM
Plus it doesn't help that there aren't many jews in conservatism. Hard to be great at comedy without any jews on your side.
im a jewish conservative. my whole family is politically conservative. most of the people in my synagogue are politically conservative
Sean Walsh
10-15-2009, 11:52 AM
but. . . he kept calling him "Hussain"
surely that's funny!
at least that's what Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Michael Steele, Ann Coulter, ad nauseum, seem to be implying.
The "funny" thing about that original song is that children are allowed to sing a word that was being labeled a curse word during the presidential campaign.
When (certain) grown ups said his middle name, it was called borderline racism.
.....but when kids say it, it's called a compliment! Yay!
Gail Simone
10-15-2009, 01:01 PM
Hm. Well, I covered the first Obama child's hymn on my Facebook page, the wacky one from the campaign that ended in a cacophony of yes-we-cans and change-its. And it was delightful and melodic when I sang it.
These weird little bits of Obamaism are parodies on their faces, and don't need to be rewritten. Just quoted. :wink:
Yeah, but you have great comedy instincts.
This just sucks.
Gail Simone
10-15-2009, 01:04 PM
im a jewish conservative. my whole family is politically conservative. most of the people in my synagogue are politically conservative
I disagree that Conservatives can't be funny. Mike Nelson (of mst3k) is Republican, the South Park guys are Conservative/Libertarian (as weird as that sounds), Norm MacDonald is apparently Conservative. I'm not nuts about the Blue Collar Comedians for the most part but they obviously have the chops to be hugely successful.
But the American sense of humor is mostly about the underdog picking on the big guy, the bully. There is some bully humor, but it's more on the sidelines. As the Republicans become less powerful and less common, I think we'll see more Conservative funny that is genuinely funny.
Larry Dixon
10-15-2009, 01:28 PM
When I do comedy---especially with my clothes on---I generally go by this rule:
Okay, it's funny to me. But is it funny to them?
By 'them' I mean the audience. Is it accessible, does it ring true, can it make the 80-IQ and the 160-IQ folks grin?
Seems to me that this poor guy's work falls and smashes into hate-flavored shards because it's only funny to him, without the craftsmanship required to make it funny to others.
I'm also hearing Beavis & Butt-head's forced, breathy laughter with it, for some reason. "I swear this REALLY IS funny, hear me laughing? Hear it? Eh heh heh heh heh heh! Believe me! Oh god please believe me, I want to be funny, please like me..."
Arrogantcur
10-15-2009, 02:15 PM
Plus it doesn't help that there aren't many jews in conservatism. Hard to be great at comedy without any jews on your side.
Actually, there are a ton of Jewish conservatives, much more than there used to be.
im a jewish conservative. my whole family is politically conservative. most of the people in my synagogue are politically conservative
During Operation: Cast Lead, Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper's position was basically "They got attacked first, so they have a right to defend themselves, and absolutely no amount of force is excessive." And I read an article in the Toronto Star about how TO's Jewish community felt about this, and while this sentiment was not unanimous one of the first things I read in that article was a quote from somebody who said "God Bless Stephen Harper."
The main thing that turned me off of conservatism when I first took an interest in politics was the fact that most conservatives seemed to be hawks, whereas I am most definitely a dove. All conservatives are not hawks of course. For example, Ron Paul is not a hawk. But a whole lot of conservatives are hawks.
And I suppose it's easy to be a hawk if you take an interest in a particular country's well-being and that country has been attacked by an army before, had SCUD missiles fired at it 18 years ago, continues to be the target of small rocket attacks and suicide bombers today and is worried that it might be the target of a nuclear weapon. It's easy to get scared. It's easy to want to destroy enemies both real and potential. It's not right, IMO. But it's easy.
I suppose that is the reason why there are so many Jewish conservatives. I would be much happier if more Jewish people were like Noam Chomsky and less were like Joe Lieberman (who, despite being pro-choice and voting against drilling in ANWR and so on, is still a hawk).
LewisH
10-15-2009, 02:16 PM
Wonder Woman. I don't think we've seen her laugh about anything since Linda Carter was portraying her.
Arrogantcur
10-15-2009, 02:27 PM
Wonder Woman. I don't think we've seen her laugh about anything since Linda Carter was portraying her.
When it comes to humor, Wondy really seems to work best as a comic foil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_act) rather than somebody who does funny things or makes a lot of jokes. Have a look at the first issue of her teamup with Black Canary to see what I mean. :cool:
dupersuper
10-15-2009, 10:36 PM
I am going to get serious for a moment folks. Pardon me.
This is one of the reasons i dislike meeting comic creators. They write words that i adore and draw art that makes my heart beat faster, but when you encounter them...they can possibly be total jerks. I rather have the fantasy and good will i feel about them than to sour years of enjoyment and entertainment.
Case in point: John Byrne. I grew up LOVING his stuff. To me, George Perez and John Byrne were like ROCK STARS to me, and their art has given me years of pleasure.
Now, without making rude remarks or even judgments, i have seen his website and comments made about various topics. And i disagree with a LOT of them, leaving a negative image of John Byrne in my mind. How do i balance the years of enjoyment to these statements which i strongly disagree with? Do i toss out my childhood because i find that it is possible a hero of mine has feet of clay?
In the end, i came up with a simple solution: Seperate the art from the artist. It is NOT a perfect solution, but it is one i can live with. It is also one i can judge on a case by case basis. I like Todd McFarlanes art to a degree, but his real life antics have upset me to the point that i have no desire to purchase anything made by him again, even if it is something i like, until he tries to make compensation to the many people he has hurt. I found this to be the extreme i have come to on this. In general, i buy what i like, but i do try to seperate things i hear online about different comic creators from the work they are producing.
Hope this helps others thinking the same thing.
This came up in an Orson Scott Card thread. In that case I HAVE decided to only buy his books second hand as he actually donates $ to homophobic, bible thumping nutjobs, but in general I have no problen buying a jerks stuff if I like it.
I don't think conservative positions lend themselves to that much humor. Most of their positions are pro-establishment bullying, and comedy works best when it's anti-establishment. The anti-establishment wing of conservatism, tends to be racist homophobic nutjobs, which isn't really that funny.
People want the comic as a kind of social bandit. They like like a Carlin or Pryor or Hicks out there raging against the man, standing up for people's rights...not y'know...testifying about god and jesus, and tax cuts for the wealthy.
I should check that somewhat, conservatives are not in and of themselves funny. But they are funny to laugh at. See also: Glen Beck and Sean Hannity.
Plus it doesn't help that there aren't many jews in conservatism. Hard to be great at comedy without any jews on your side.
Not many Canadians or Brits either...
PM Harper sadly an exeption.
dupont2005
10-15-2009, 10:40 PM
When I do comedy---especially with my clothes on---I generally go by this rule:
Okay, it's funny to me. But is it funny to them?
By 'them' I mean the audience. Is it accessible, does it ring true, can it make the 80-IQ and the 160-IQ folks grin?
Seems to me that this poor guy's work falls and smashes into hate-flavored shards because it's only funny to him, without the craftsmanship required to make it funny to others.
I'm also hearing Beavis & Butt-head's forced, breathy laughter with it, for some reason. "I swear this REALLY IS funny, hear me laughing? Hear it? Eh heh heh heh heh heh! Believe me! Oh god please believe me, I want to be funny, please like me..."
are you a stage comedian? i'm pretty good at getting my coworkers and friends to chuckle but i'm pretty sure i would bomb on stage bad
Cam63
10-16-2009, 12:27 AM
Larry is a supreme multi-tasker, that's all.
Larry Dixon
10-16-2009, 01:06 AM
I've done standup, improv, and a lot of crowd work. And I usually do the comedy and situational bits in our books. I do doctoring or tightening passes on a bunch of folks' work and I correspond with many comedians. Inside me, deep inside me, is a Bruce Vilanch struggling to break free. And siiiiing! *arms spread wide*
Cam63
10-16-2009, 01:21 AM
I've done standup, improv, and a lot of crowd work. And I usually do the comedy and situational bits in our books. I do doctoring or tightening passes on a bunch of folks' work and I correspond with many comedians. Inside me, deep inside me, is a Bruce Vilanch struggling to break free. And siiiiing! *arms spread wide*
But... ARE YOU FUNNY ?
Larry Dixon
10-16-2009, 03:22 AM
Errrh, well, no, not as such.
Cam63
10-16-2009, 01:38 PM
Errrh, well, no, not as such.
HA ! HILARIOUS !!!
Larry Dixon
10-16-2009, 02:21 PM
Even Australian humor is upside-down from ours!
Loren
10-16-2009, 03:03 PM
Amazing that some folks can't get over the fact that the President's middle name is Hussain.
since he doesn't go by that, do they really think that repeating it over and over is going to "scare" people into thinking that he's a Muslim?
There's a lot to make fun of here, but you've definitely picked the wrong target. Hudnall's parodying this song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eojXZvdw-d4), which of course repeated the President's middle name over and over, obviously without trying to scare anybody.
The only reason Hudnall would have had to not keep the same phrasing would be to avoid baseless accusations that he was trying to scare people by using the school's phrasing.
Charles RB
10-16-2009, 04:16 PM
Sadly, the "mmmm, mmmm, mmmm!" bit was from the real song too. :frown:
Cam63
10-16-2009, 11:14 PM
Even Australian humor is upside-down from ours!
You've caught on...
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