100 Songs Of The 2000s. [Archive] - Comic Book Resources Forums

jessecuster3

10-08-2009, 10:48 AM

Awesome, I am looking forward to this one.

So far, I have only known 4 of the first 10,

Band of Horses, who I am not that fond of.

Dresden Dolls, I love them, had never heard them until I saw them live. Back to back covers of War Pigs and (Hit Me)Baby One More Time

Scissor Sisters, a nice one, I liked their first album and lost them by the second one. My girlfriend dragged me to their show, totally extravagant, and pretty fun.

Jimmy Eat World, this song still shows up on a number of my playlists, it certainly transcends the emo of the rest of their oevure.

Oh and I never heard that remix of Wolfmother, it's a little crazy, I prefer the original.

Jonathan Bogart

10-09-2009, 05:20 PM

Here's the next set (http://aceterrier.com/?p=1516). You all are gonna laugh so hard...

twilight

10-09-2009, 07:09 PM

Well I did laugh but it was with you rather than at you.

Great choices with Fidelity and Dry Your Eyes.

Maroon 5 might be one of the best examples of my ability to have no idea what people will like.
I remember hearing their first single and saying to myself "Eh,it's alright.Too bad they'll never go anywhere".Cue them selling 10,000,000 records.

-Twi

Punchy

10-10-2009, 11:36 AM

You should do it on MySpace, too. Then I could read it.those socialist Canadians blocking Facebook profiles again?

howyadoin

10-10-2009, 02:52 PM

those socialist Canadians blocking Facebook profiles again?I haven't joined the Facebook cult.

Ilash

10-11-2009, 11:04 AM

Well, uh, at least you included Regina Spektor.

Aubergine~!

10-11-2009, 03:45 PM

Should be interesting to see how many of these songs are on my iPod.

Number will probably be inflated though, as I downloaded a number of the top 200 of Pitchfork's top 500 songs of the 2000s a few weeks back.

So far, love the Scissor Sisters inclusion, and I have an irrational love for everything the Streets put out.

jessecuster3

10-12-2009, 08:12 AM

Yikes, I only know one song this time, the Maroon 5 one.

Cloudman

10-12-2009, 08:43 AM

I don't agree with your choices, but good for you for speaking with conviction and not apologising.

Jonathan Bogart

10-12-2009, 03:29 PM

Okay, next round (http://aceterrier.com/?p=1527).

jesse_custer

10-12-2009, 03:37 PM

I enjoyed the entries on Coldplay and Kid Rock. I don't care for either song, but I liked how you praised these individual songs while pointing out the weaknesses of both artists.

twilight

10-12-2009, 05:15 PM

Seems like you were a little harsh on the Hives there Jonathon.

For a period there they were the best punk band on the planet.
(It was a small period sure,but still)

-Twi

Jonathan Bogart

10-12-2009, 10:20 PM

Seems like you were a little harsh on the Hives there Jonathon.
Harsh? Just because they're not as great as the two best guitar bands of the decade? (Um, spoilers, maybe.)

Calling them a one-hit wonder was an undisguised compliment; at least in the US, they join the august ranks of Dexys Midnight Runners, Madness and Shanice.

Aubergine~!

10-12-2009, 11:46 PM

Forgot all about that Estelle song. Good stuff.

howyadoin

10-13-2009, 12:53 AM

http://aceterrier.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/kidrocksherylcrow.jpg

God, I never want to see Sheryl Crow make that face again.

jesse_custer

10-13-2009, 07:47 AM

Forgot all about that Estelle song. Good stuff.

Her album Shine is good overall.

jessecuster3

10-13-2009, 10:59 AM

Harsh? Just because they're not as great as the two best guitar bands of the decade? (Um, spoilers, maybe.)

Calling them a one-hit wonder was an undisguised compliment; at least in the US, they join the august ranks of Dexys Midnight Runners, Madness and Shanice.

They definitely have more than one song that was a hit. Main Offender, definitely, Walk Idiot Walk, another of their singles.

They were at the forefront of a burgeoning Swedish rock movement that produced some excellent music, including Soundtrack Of Our Lives, Sahara Hotnights, and others.

Jonathan Bogart

10-13-2009, 11:13 AM

They definitely have more than one song that was a hit. Main Offender, definitely, Walk Idiot Walk, another of their singles.
Actual, on-the-charts hits, or songs that a lot of people like and got traded around on blogs and so forth?

They were at the forefront of a burgeoning Swedish rock movement that produced some excellent music, including Soundtrack Of Our Lives, Sahara Hotnights, and others.
Well, they were at the forefront of its exportation. And my favorite Swedish music has little to do with rock. (Again, spoilers.)

jessecuster3

10-13-2009, 11:26 AM

Actual, on-the-charts hits, or songs that a lot of people like and got traded around on blogs and so forth?

Main Offender definitely charted and was the only Hives song to be featured in the Rock Band video game.

Well, they were at the forefront of its exportation. And my favorite Swedish music has little to do with rock. (Again, spoilers.)

I didn't know Ace of Base made it into the 2000's. :wink:

Jonathan Bogart

10-20-2009, 12:19 AM

Unexpected hiatii aside (wow, I don't think I've ever pluralized that word before), the next ten are here (http://aceterrier.com/?p=1538).

howyadoin

10-20-2009, 12:32 AM

Just wanted to point out that I loved this bit:For a couple of months, I thought the Hives might be the first shot in a musical revolution, but they turned out to be something much better: a one-hit wonder.

twilight

10-20-2009, 04:12 AM

Love the Darkness write-up.

People don't seem to get behind my opinion that their first album is amazing fun,start to finish.

The second and final one?
Not so much.

-Twi

jesse_custer

10-20-2009, 08:03 AM

Great call on "No One Knows."

Grohl's drumming blows my mind on that track.

Ilash

10-20-2009, 08:33 AM

Man, Jonathan, I dislike at least 75% of the music that you have listed so far but I'll be damned in those aren't some great write ups. They're so good they almost, but only almost, make me feel like there might be a possible, one-in-a-million chance that I might not be absolutely and entirely correct about my feelings about these various bands and artists and Paris Hiltons. I mean probably not but still... great job!

jessecuster3

10-20-2009, 01:43 PM

Unexpected hiatii aside (wow, I don't think I've ever pluralized that word before), the next ten are here (http://aceterrier.com/?p=1538).

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot is one of my all time favorite albums, so I was happy to see at least one song from it on your list.

I do take issue with your comparison to Kid A, however. Kid A was not really all that big of a departure from OK Computer, wheres Wilco was an Alt-Country band that then experimented with all kinds of crazy sounds.

jesse_custer

10-20-2009, 01:45 PM

Plus, Kid A is boring as hell.

jessecuster3

10-20-2009, 02:06 PM

Plus, Kid A is boring as hell.

I wouldn't go that far, now Amnesiac and Hail To the Thief, maybe...

twilight

10-20-2009, 05:07 PM

Sorry dudes but Kid A is a good album and Amnesiac is their best album.

My word is law!

-Twi

Jonathan Bogart

10-20-2009, 09:06 PM

Sorry dudes but Kid A is a good album and Amnesiac is their best album.

My word is law!

-Twi
Other than having it backwards, I'm with you.

(Spoilers.)

Adam C

10-20-2009, 10:05 PM

I do take issue with your comparison to Kid A, however. Kid A was not really all that big of a departure from OK Computer, wheres Wilco was an Alt-Country band that then experimented with all kinds of crazy sounds.

I'd say that it was Wilco made the jump from Alt-Country band to a doing a post-punk version of Revolver or Sgt. Pepper's (depending on your preference). It's just that Stockhausen influence is much more overt because modern pop music tolerates dissonance and weird atmospherics more.

And I love Yankee Hotel Foxtrot too. It's easily wormed it's way into my all-time favourite albums. But then again so has Kicking Television with "Handshake Drugs" probably being the song I most frequently sing to myself these days. Then again lately I've been kind of obsessed with Wilco and am currently listening to the MP3 download that comes with the Ashes of American Flags DVD. So...

This soon became my favorite cut off the album, Nels Cline’s Neil-Youngish guitar sputters the most intelligible sound to my classic-rock ears, and if I’ve drifted away from that kind of music since, my heart still lifts to the Staxy horns in the outro.

That's probably Tweedy or the late Jay Bennett doing the guitar work. Cline did not join the band until they had recorded Yankee's follow-up A Ghost Is Born. I not only know this because I am unduly obsessed with Wilco but I first heard of Nels Cline because his Wilco gig got him the cover of Guitar Player magazine. I heard of 'Wilco' at the time and so it made me kind of curious. Then I opened up to the article it and learned he was an avant garde jazz musician, and knew that I had to listen to his stuff. (However, I didn't get around to it until I got eMusic.)

Anyways, based on the version that appears on Ashes Cline's more elaborative though I can't decide if it makes the solo sound more Robert Quine or Blue Cheer.

(Geez, Jon does three 100 Songs lists and the best I can manage is to flog my hobby horse in the Aughts list?)

Adam C

10-20-2009, 10:12 PM

Plus, Kid A is boring as hell.

Funny. I've actually listened to Kid A more than O.K. Computer in the past year. Does this mean that post-punk rock classicism doesn't wear as well as Kraut-atmospherics?

Calling them a one-hit wonder was an undisguised compliment; at least in the US, they join the august ranks of Dexys Midnight Runners, Madness and Shanice.

Or huge chunks of the Nuggets boxed sets. Come to think of it, “Hate To Say I Told You So” fundamental strength is evoking the visceral goofiness of 60s garage rock at it's best.

Jonathan Bogart

10-20-2009, 10:19 PM

(Geez, Jon does three 100 Songs lists and the best I can manage is to flog my hobby horse in the Aughts list?)
And I still manage to think of myself as unproductive!

Speaking of which, the next ten (http://aceterrier.com/?p=1553) are up.

twilight

10-21-2009, 03:31 AM

More good stuff but I just felt that I had to respond to:

(I can only hope and pray, btw, that this list will inspire even one similar download; let all this pontificating not have been in vain)

Dude,I've been doing this since the first time I came across your lists (Could've been the 70's one).Mind you it's buying albums rather than downloading songs but your writing almost always gives me something interesting to check out.

-Twi

jesse_custer

10-21-2009, 07:43 AM

By the way, if you haven't watched I Am Trying to Break Your Heart, the documentary on the making of Yankee Hotel Foxtrot, do so immediately. jesse3 will back me up on this.

jessecuster3

10-21-2009, 09:59 AM

By the way, if you haven't watched I Am Trying to Break Your Heart, the documentary on the making of Yankee Hotel Foxtrot, do so immediately. jesse3 will back me up on this.

Oh totally, but I think its one of, if not the best music documentary ever put on film.

Jonathan Bogart

10-22-2009, 04:20 PM

Next ten up now (http://aceterrier.com/?p=1570).

There's at least one controversial move in there.

Ilash

10-22-2009, 05:09 PM

Next ten up now (http://aceterrier.com/?p=1570).

There's at least one controversial move in there.

Heh. As oppose to the 7 or 8 in all the others?

Jonathan Bogart

10-22-2009, 06:09 PM

Heh. As oppose to the 7 or 8 in all the others?
Hey, I can't help it if people who hate everything I like still read what I have to say. I meant controversial among people who largely share my taste.

Ilash

10-22-2009, 06:27 PM

Hey, I can't help it if people who hate everything I like still read what I have to say. I meant controversial among people who largely share my taste.

Wait, you mean there are other people out there with a taste in music that is as uniquely eclectic as yours? And I thought you were one of a kind!

Seriously though, aside for rap and hip hop, which I simply don't get, I actually understand where you're coming from most of the time. I personally absolutely hate that heavily computerized and produced version of pop music that has shown up quite a bit on this bottom part of your countdown - with the exception of people like Lily Allen, it doesn't even sound human to me anymore - but I understand why you gravitate to it so much. In fact, aside for hip hop, I'm reasonably sure that this sort of pop music will take up more space on your list than any other form of "mainstream" music and quite justifiably so. Even if I don't like it, I would be the first to admit that Top-40-type pop has far more to offer than its "rock" counterpart. And the less said about modern R&B and mainstream country, the better.

Adam C

10-22-2009, 10:00 PM

Next ten up now (http://aceterrier.com/?p=1570).

There's at least one controversial move in there.

Actually this pales compared to a great number of choices you already made in this list.

And I agree with you on metal. I don't even feel the active antipathy towards it that I do towards say...Nickelgrunge. But even the examples I like have never excited me enough to go out and buy any of the CDs of the bands in question.

But yeah. System of a Down's "B.Y.O.B." is actually a good choice. The open sense of humour in the song's very structure certainly helps as well.

Edit: Oh yeah. "The Underdog" is like one of the greatest songs. Ever.

howyadoin

10-22-2009, 10:55 PM

And I agree with you on metal. I don't even feel the active antipathy towards it that I do towards say...Nickelgrunge. But even the examples I like have never excited me enough to go out and buy any of the CDs of the bands in question.Just outta curiosity, what have you heard that you liked?

Eric D.

10-22-2009, 11:09 PM

there are about 6 songs from #50--41 that i could agree with you on considering what you've already shown and what is yet to come. ...except #50, Losing My Edge, i knew it was coming at some point, - but i thought you might have positioned the song lower (er..higher)

. can i ask you something, though? -- in terms of ranking, what kind of method are you applying? i think you've done great so far.

Jonathan Bogart

10-22-2009, 11:32 PM

. can i ask you something, though? -- in terms of ranking, what kind of method are you applying?
Gut check. I honestly wouldn't know how to go about attempting anything else.

Eric D.

10-22-2009, 11:36 PM

Gut check. I honestly wouldn't know how to go about attempting anything else.

hmm. interesting. intuition has always paid off for me with mix-tapes.

howyadoin

10-23-2009, 12:09 AM

intuition has always paid off for me with mix-tapes.It's the only way to get that flow, in my opinion.

jesse_custer

10-23-2009, 07:52 AM

I like the Girls Aloud song. (And British women reminds me: I wonder which Pipettes song you're going to pick?)

A quick comment:

Again, I haven’t really bothered to investigate Modest Mouse further — one-hit-wonderhood should be a badge of honor.

Perhaps, but We Were Dead Before The Ship Even Sank might be worth the investigation. It's Modest Mouse, with Johnny Marr, at their catchiest.

jessecuster3

10-23-2009, 09:48 AM

A quick comment:

Perhaps, but We Were Dead Before The Ship Even Sank might be worth the investigation. It's Modest Mouse, with Johnny Marr, at their catchiest.

Oh please, The Moon and Antarctica is such a better album.

jesse_custer

10-23-2009, 09:52 AM

I said at their catchiest, which I prefer to their best or whatever.

Adam C

10-23-2009, 10:21 AM

Just outta curiosity, what have you heard that you liked?

Fairly obvious examples like Black Sabbath, Metallica, Anthrax, Motorhead, I suppose Monster Magnet. (Does QotS count?) Not so obvious: Stoner metal band Electric Wizard which a friend showed me. And of course System of a Down. It has also been a long time since I've listened to any of these. (And I wonder if any of this has been affected by my decline in interest over the years towards prog, jazz fusion, and to a lesser extent, hard rock.)

jesse_custer

10-23-2009, 10:25 AM

I don't listen to metal that much anymore. Metallica is almost a joke to me now.

Mastodon is pretty cool, though, but they're known as metal that indie fans are allowed to like.

jessecuster3

10-23-2009, 10:26 AM

I said at their catchiest, which I prefer to their best or whatever.

I still cannot get behind that, sure Float On and Dashboard are catchy, but compared to I Came As A Rat and Third Planet among others, they are not as good.

jessecuster3

10-23-2009, 10:29 AM

My favorite '80s metal song in the 2000's is Poet's And Pornstars' Rock And Roll. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7h0hPumIng)

Warning, the above video may be NSFW.

jesse_custer

10-23-2009, 10:30 AM

Early Modest Mouse has merit. Hell, I'll put in Moon and Antarctica or The Lonesome Crowded West every once in a while. But honestly, I would rather have fun with the band since I've been exposed to We Were Dead.

I'm also a big Smiths fan, so Johnny Marr's hand in the last album is a big deal for me.

twilight

10-23-2009, 05:48 PM

Why not "Good News For People Who Love Bad News"?

Middle ground!
Whoo!

-Twi

howyadoin

10-23-2009, 07:31 PM

Fairly obvious examples like Black Sabbath, Metallica, Anthrax, Motorhead, I suppose Monster Magnet. (Does QotS count?) Not so obvious: Stoner metal band Electric Wizard which a friend showed me. And of course System of a Down. It has also been a long time since I've listened to any of these. (And I wonder if any of this has been affected by my decline in interest over the years towards prog, jazz fusion, and to a lesser extent, hard rock.)I'll second jesse's Mastodon recommendation. I'd also suggest Fu Manchu if you like QotSA, Faith No More, and the Probot song "Shake Your Blood".

Jonathan Bogart

10-24-2009, 01:22 AM

Just in time for the weekend and little to no interest, the next ten (http://aceterrier.com/?p=1571).

(That makes thirty to go, for those playing along at home. Come on November!)

twilight

10-24-2009, 02:33 AM

Are you planning to have it completed by November Jonathan?

-Twi

Jonathan Bogart

10-24-2009, 02:47 AM

Are you planning to have it completed by November Jonathan?
Yep, because that's National Novel Writing Month, and I'm actually going to try to participate this year.

Three entries over the next week should wrap this thing up.

Valmore

10-24-2009, 04:23 AM

Jonathan Bogart

10-24-2009, 07:54 AM

Eric D.

10-24-2009, 08:26 AM

all great songs.

and more DFA, that's always good

DrewTheXenocide

10-24-2009, 10:06 AM

I really wish that The Rapture had stayed on the DFA.

Reptisaurus!

10-25-2009, 03:36 PM

Yeesh, your list has tons of stuff I've never heard of, but with the few I have, it makes me glad that I've never had to drive in a car with you for any sort of distance, as I'd have to rip your mp3 player out and toss it in the oncoming lane... in front of a 16-wheeler's lead tire.

AAAAHHHHHHHH! Black People! On the Radio!

This can't be happening, this can't be happening

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! AH-AH-AH-AH-AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

mommyandIareone. moomyandIareone.

stay calm. Stay calm. STAY..AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAA A
AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAA
HHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHH
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

twilight

10-25-2009, 05:49 PM

Stealing Black People! On The Radio! for my new bands name.

-Twi

Jonathan Bogart

10-27-2009, 02:44 AM

Next ten up (http://aceterrier.com/?p=1582). No alarms, and no surprises.

mgs

10-27-2009, 09:43 PM

Cool, been listening to your choices Jonathan. Thanks for this! :smile:

howyadoin

10-27-2009, 10:17 PM

Next ten up (http://aceterrier.com/?p=1582). No alarms, and no surprises.That Belle & Sebastian tune reminds me of Roxy Music in a way.

berk

10-27-2009, 11:16 PM

That Belle & Sebastian tune reminds me of Roxy Music in a way.Not in the best way, though. For me, anyway.

Jonathan Bogart

10-27-2009, 11:26 PM

Not in the best way, though. For me, anyway.
Glammy electro with detailed storytelling sounds a bit like Roxy Music, sure. I'd call it closer to maybe a Ray Davies-led Chicory Tip (as produced by Abba) if I wanted to keep it in the 70s.

And there's no way B&S could sound like Roxy Music in the best way. Stuart Murdoch has gotten a lot more versatile over the years, but he's no Bryan Ferry.

howyadoin

10-28-2009, 12:17 AM

Not in the best way, though. For me, anyway.

Glammy electro with detailed storytelling sounds a bit like Roxy Music, sure.Having given it some more thought, I think the story the song tells reminded me specifically of "Love is the Drug".

berk

10-28-2009, 12:28 AM

Having given it some more thought, I think the story the song tells reminded me specifically of "Love is the Drug".I thought the first part sounded a bit like something from Manifesto - which I like, but is by no stretch of the imagination one of their best albums. But Love is the Drug might fit too - again, a good song, but not one of their high points, IMO, although I suppose one of their biggest commercial successes.

Sorry, not trying to be negative. I remember wanting to like B&S when I first heard about them, but I've always had this sort of lukewarm reaction to their music. Same with Franz Ferdininand, for some reason. Could be that I just haven't given them enough of a chance, though.

twilight

10-28-2009, 04:14 AM

So anyone care to place some guesses as to what we'll be seeing in the final twenty?

I'm thinking M.I.A. and Outkast will probably make an appearance.

-Twi

Ilash

10-28-2009, 05:44 AM

The way this is going, I'm going to guess that Britney Spears' Toxic will be number 1. Just you wait and see!

jesse_custer

10-28-2009, 07:34 AM

I'm thinking M.I.A. and Outkast will probably make an appearance.

-Twi

Safe guesses.

It would be very interesting if a track off Common's last album, Universal Mind Control, made it. Lil Wayne is fine and all, but that album clearly marks a new kind of rap music.

Jonathan Bogart

10-28-2009, 08:00 AM

It would be very interesting if a track off Common's last album, Universal Mind Control, made it. Lil Wayne is fine and all, but that album clearly marks a new kind of rap music.
Should have been clear on this. One track per artist. (Not counting "ft."s. Kanye's already been on three tracks.) Common had his shot.

jesse_custer

10-28-2009, 08:22 AM

Actually, Jonathan, this mistake was all me, as I am familiar with your rule of one track per artist.

I just noticed that I completely skipped 60 through 51.

Matthew E

10-28-2009, 08:32 AM

And of course there must be room on the list for the Hamsterdance.

Jonathan Bogart

10-28-2009, 09:55 AM

And of course there must be room on the list for the Hamsterdance.
That's 1999. Sorry.

jesse_custer

10-28-2009, 09:59 AM

Whew, worry almost toppled me.

Aubergine~!

10-28-2009, 11:06 AM

So anyone care to place some guesses as to what we'll be seeing in the final twenty?

I'm thinking M.I.A. and Outkast will probably make an appearance.

-Twi

White Stripes, I'd think? And probably something (99 Problems) by Jay-Z.

I just want to see Ted Leo on the list.

Jonathan Bogart

10-28-2009, 11:28 AM

And probably something (99 Problems) by Jay-Z.
The mashup with Linkin Park counts as Jay's solo song. (And in fact I mention in the writeup that I didn't hear "99 Problems" in time to make the list. If I had it would have.)

jessecuster3

10-28-2009, 11:34 AM

I can only wish for The Faint, as Miss Kittin is certainly not near the peak of Electro.

Aubergine~!

10-28-2009, 11:34 AM

The mashup with Linkin Park counts as Jay's solo song. (And in fact I mention in the writeup that I didn't hear "99 Problems" in time to make the list. If I had it would have.)

Ah, thought it'd be counted as a Linkin Park song for some reason. Cool.

Jonathan Bogart

10-28-2009, 01:10 PM

Next ten (http://aceterrier.com/?p=1595), proving at least one prediction true so far.

(Not the Faint. Yawn.) (Sorry.)

jesse_custer

10-28-2009, 02:02 PM

Ah, my Pipettes prediction was correct (though I didn't specify the song). I probably would have picked "Judy," but that choice wouldn't have changed your entry. We Are The Pipettes is pop bliss.

"Paper Planes" is brilliant. There are so many things to appreciate in that song: subversive and catchy lyrics, the finger snap beat, screeching guitar, etc. M.I.A. can take anything and make a great song, although she admits that juggling all these elements can be confusing.

howyadoin

10-28-2009, 02:03 PM

I'd have to rank "Since U Been Gone" in the catchy-but-terrible category. That Pipettes tune, though, is just about perfect.

As for "Maps", I tend to agree, but I can't help wondering: is it actually all that great, or is the rest of the album just that shitty?

DrewTheXenocide

10-28-2009, 02:47 PM

I find nothing terrible with Since U Been Gone. In fact, if this were my list, it'd probably make top ten.

As for further predictions... no idea.

jessecuster3

10-28-2009, 03:02 PM

Next ten (http://aceterrier.com/?p=1595), proving at least one prediction true so far.

(Not the Faint. Yawn.) (Sorry.)

Booo. The Faint's 2nd album is fantastic!

Nice choices this list, especially the Libertines, I would have chosen something else, however, What Katie Did or Don't Look Back Into The Sun.

I'd have to rank "Since U Been Gone" in the catchy-but-terrible category. That Pipettes tune, though, is just about perfect.

As for "Maps", I tend to agree, but I can't help wondering: is it actually all that great, or is the rest of the album just that shitty?

I know for me, having Maps in Rock Band has really got me into that song. I have never really liked anything else by them.

jdwrocks

10-28-2009, 03:06 PM

Booo. The Faint's 2nd album is fantastic!

Nice choices this list, especially the Libertines, I would have chosen something else, however, What Katie Did or Don't Look Back Into The Sun.

I know for me, having Maps in Rock Band has really got me into that song. I have never really liked anything else by them.
I dig Yeah Yeah Yeahs latest CD. I think "Heads Will Roll" is a great tune.

twilight

10-28-2009, 05:37 PM

Fever To Tell is pretty okay until it comes to Maps when it becomes very good.
Then it goes back to being okay until the album finishes.

-Twi

jdwrocks

10-28-2009, 09:33 PM

So any guesses for the top 10? I have no idea, but I'll say Gnarls Barkley & Outkast, that's all I can guess.

Edit: My personal choice would include Kaiser Chief's "I Predict A Riot"

berk

10-29-2009, 12:35 AM

I've been catching up on the earlier installments of Jonathan's 2000s list the last hour or so, and I have to say it's been very educational for me. A lot of this stuff I've never even heard of, let alone listened to. I recognized a lot of the names, but in many cases it was the first time I actually heard the music. Can't recall every impression right now - I should have commented as I went along, but I was reading some comics - Godland and Citizen Rex - at the same time and forgot - but I love that MGMT song and the M.I.A. one. There were a few others too, I'll have to go through it again to get the names and titles.

mgs

10-29-2009, 02:29 AM

Next ten (http://aceterrier.com/?p=1595), proving at least one prediction true so far.

(Not the Faint. Yawn.) (Sorry.)
the only ones I can agree with on this one are Alicia Keys, because I consider it a great song, for her, but not in the overview. And M.I.A. for it's purpose and meaning.

the rest...bleah.

Aubergine~!

10-29-2009, 11:31 AM

So any guesses for the top 10? I have no idea, but I'll say Gnarls Barkley & Outkast, that's all I can guess.

Edit: My personal choice would include Kaiser Chief's "I Predict A Riot"

I'm going with stuff from Outkast, the White Stripes, Gnarls Barkley (well, the one song, specifically), & Daft Punk.

jesse_custer

10-29-2009, 11:47 AM

I'll throw in a couple of specific guesses:

"The Seed (2.0)" by The Roots.

For OutKast, it's going to be "Hey Ya" or "Ms. Jackson."

Jonathan Bogart

10-30-2009, 03:01 PM

Penultimate five (http://aceterrier.com/?p=1609) up now.

The rest (fingers crossed) by the end of the day.

berk

10-30-2009, 06:00 PM

I do think that that's one of the White Stripes' best songs. Good pick.

The Eminem thing is one of the few examples of rap that I like, which probably shows my ignorance of the form, and makes me wonder if Jonathan might consider doing a 100 rap song list someday. Heaven knows I could use some education in that field.

twilight

10-30-2009, 08:16 PM

Man,I love it towards the end of the lists when the write-ups get longer.

-Twi

blackdragon6

10-30-2009, 09:52 PM

I remember hearing their first single and saying to myself "Eh,it's alright.Too bad they'll never go anywhere".Cue them selling 10,000,000 records.

-Twithat is so true!!, replace maroon 5 with about every popular artists right now and you'll have a very dumbfounding list. for me it's eminem...yeah i said it... i was floored to see him become as huge as he did. same as Rhianna, i thought she would fizzle out, but def jam was adamant about shoving her down our throats.

howyadoin

10-30-2009, 10:08 PM

that is so true!!, replace maroon 5 with about every popular artists right now and you'll have a very dumbfounding list. for me it's eminem...yeah i said it... i was floored to see him become as huge as he did. same as Rhianna, i thought she would fizzle out, but def jam was adamant about shoving her down our throats.Shit, I remember thinking that about Madonna. If there's anyone who seemed destined to be a trivia question or a footnote, it's her.

Tish-the-Scorpion

10-30-2009, 10:14 PM

I see your emenim and raise you Alicia keys. keep in mind i like alicia keys, and i think she's very talented. but that's irrelevant. given the fact she was doing R&B/Soul i never expected her to gain anything other than a cult following. when you see how big she became as apose to her peers like angie stone, Leela James, and India.Arie it kinda sent out unfortunate implications if you get what i mean. which leads me to eminem...so yeah

also the fact that lil wayne, and T.I. became a cross over success. but then again they kinda watered down their music. lil wayne more so then T.I.

Tish-the-Scorpion

10-30-2009, 10:21 PM

Shit, I remember thinking that about Madonna. If there's anyone who seemed destined to be a trivia question or a footnote, it's her.
personally i was too young to see her meteoric rise in context, all i remember is liking her cause she was so different, kinda like Cyndi lauper. i was kinda shock to see New Kids On The Block become as big as they did though, considering they were a rip off of New Edition. i remember getting chastised in elementary (or was it middle school?) about not liking them. of course i would give it back by saying that they was basically jacking New Edition's style. some of my friends even got pissed at me due to the conclusion i was getting at, and them not wanting to talk about it. though deep down they knew it was true.

blackdragon6

10-30-2009, 10:28 PM

Shit, I remember thinking that about Madonna. If there's anyone who seemed destined to be a trivia question or a footnote, it's her.given the decade, yeah i could see how madonna became popular lol

Jonathan Bogart

10-30-2009, 11:54 PM

Shit, I remember thinking that about Madonna. If there's anyone who seemed destined to be a trivia question or a footnote, it's her.
And instead the New York club music that was seeking an outlet to the mainstream found it through her, and pop has never been the same.

For good or ill; bit of both, in my view, but y'all's mileage will undoubtedly vary.

(Same goes for Em, Weezy, and Tip, only I don't have the vocabulary to explain quite what they're doing. Sorry berk, I'm a novice at this rap thing myself.)

Jonathan Bogart

10-31-2009, 12:02 AM

Sorry, I'm a little slap-happy. Still finishing up this damn list.

Jonathan Bogart

10-31-2009, 01:09 AM

Speaking of which (http://aceterrier.com/?p=1610).

Three predictions proved right, or nearly so. In a few days I'll put up a postscript. Right now I'm going to bed. Duke it out amongst yourselves.

howyadoin

10-31-2009, 01:22 AM

Nicely done. Lots of stuff I disagree with, but it's still fascinating reading. In that respect it sorta reminds me of the days when the late, great Lou Stathis used to write the music column in Heavy Metal.

P.S. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: you should put this stuff into a book.

Ilash

10-31-2009, 04:35 PM

"Anyone could use AutoTune and they wouldn’t even have to be able to sing! Well, yes, which is why it’s the most deeply exciting development in pop music since I don’t know sampling or something. The original (and still heady after all these years) promise of punk was that it erased the need for virtuosity: just pick up a guitar, turn up the volume, and be a star. AutoTune makes the same promise for the voice: the last ivory tower has been knocked down, and pop is available for anyone with an idea to make a mark."

Well, er, that's certainly one way of looking at it. That's what I love about your writing. Who else would have the temerity to compare uber-manufactured pop music with classic punk rock? Not me, that's for sure!

Seriously though, even if I've never disagreed with a music list as much as this, great job one again, man. I'm totally with Howy on you putting your music writings in a book. Hey, I'd buy it!

Jonathan Bogart

11-01-2009, 12:45 PM

Thanks, guys.

That postscript is up now (http://aceterrier.com/?p=1618), and the entire list is available on one slow-loading page here (http://aceterrier.com/?page_id=1616).

Thoughts?

Eric D.

11-01-2009, 03:44 PM

Thanks, guys.

That postscript is up now (http://aceterrier.com/?p=1618), and the entire list is available on one slow-loading page here (http://aceterrier.com/?page_id=1616).

Thoughts?

hey , just wanted to tell ya that i loved your list for 30's depression era songs. -great stuff there.

howyadoin

11-01-2009, 04:02 PM

Seriously though, even if I've never disagreed with a music list as much as this, great job one again, man. I'm totally with Howy on you putting your music writings in a book. Hey, I'd buy it!It could easily be published through Blurb or one of the other print-on-demand companies.

And y'know, the hard part's already done...

mgs

11-02-2009, 01:52 AM

Speaking of which (http://aceterrier.com/?p=1610).

Three predictions proved right, or nearly so. In a few days I'll put up a postscript. Right now I'm going to bed. Duke it out amongst yourselves.
Hmm...liked more of these last ones than not. The Strokes and the #5 bands, I'm not so sure. And Britney's song, in the Top 5?!?!? O.o

Well, the song was popular, I'd give her team that.

But it was up to you to arrange the other ones. :smile:

mgs

11-02-2009, 01:54 AM

jesse_custer

11-02-2009, 07:51 AM

Great top 10 with OutKast and The Strokes rightfully at the top two spots.

Fun list. Makes me want to get around to a similar thing ...

I do think that that's one of the White Stripes' best songs. Good pick.

The Eminem thing is one of the few examples of rap that I like, which probably shows my ignorance of the form, and makes me wonder if Jonathan might consider doing a 100 rap song list someday. Heaven knows I could use some education in that field.

This is where I've learned quite a bit: http://rateyourmusic.com/list/Zephos/

berk

11-02-2009, 09:22 AM

Great top 10 with OutKast and The Strokes rightfully at the top two spots.

Fun list. Makes me want to get around to a similar thing ...

This is where I've learned quite a bit: http://rateyourmusic.com/list/Zephos/Thanks jesse.

The Strokes are a funny band. I thought that first popular song I heard by them, Last Night or whatever it's called, was very ordinary, and pretty much wrote them off. But I've heard a couple things since then that I like very much indeed, including this one that Jonathan's chosen here. Have they improved over time, or are they just erratic in the quality of their output?

howyadoin

11-02-2009, 02:43 PM

Thanks jesse.

The Strokes are a funny band. I thought that first popular song I heard by them, Last Night or whatever it's called, was very ordinary, and pretty much wrote them off. But I've heard a couple things since then that I like very much indeed, including this one that Jonathan's chosen here. Have they improved over time, or are they just erratic in the quality of their output?I've only ever heard the first album, which in my opinion was strong all the way through.

Once I found out the hard way that they were the most boring live band in the history of music, I wasn't interested in hearing anything further.

twilight

11-02-2009, 03:57 PM

Thanks jesse.

The Strokes are a funny band. I thought that first popular song I heard by them, Last Night or whatever it's called, was very ordinary, and pretty much wrote them off. But I've heard a couple things since then that I like very much indeed, including this one that Jonathan's chosen here. Have they improved over time, or are they just erratic in the quality of their output?

First album: Very good in an understated way
Second album: Pretty good,seemed to suffer some backlash due to the success of "Is This It"
Third album: Good singles but apparently quite lacklustre.

And since then they've been twiddling their thumbs and releasing pretty boring solo albums.

-Twi

jesse_custer

11-02-2009, 04:51 PM

I love their debut Is This It. I would have picked one of those songs.

Ilash

11-02-2009, 05:17 PM

I haven't been overly wowed by the Strokes based on what I've heard but I'm beginning to think I really need to give their first album a chance.

Jonathan Bogart

11-02-2009, 07:23 PM

jdwrocks

11-02-2009, 08:05 PM

My view of the Strokes is probably the standard critical line: two solid (if not nearly as great as they were hyped to be) albums in a row, an inexplicable clusterfuck of a third, and then a big fat question mark. Although I'm pretty excited for Julian Casablancas' solo album later this month.
That could probably be applied to Oasis as well.

twilight

11-03-2009, 03:36 AM

My view of the Strokes is probably the standard critical line: two solid (if not nearly as great as they were hyped to be) albums in a row, an inexplicable clusterfuck of a third

I haven't heard the third one but I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on what was wrong with it JB.

-Twi

jessecuster3

11-03-2009, 08:11 AM

Jonathan Bogart

11-03-2009, 09:20 AM

I haven't heard the third one but I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on what was wrong with it JB.

I barely even remember it; I listened to it once when it came out. I just remember it sounding like a Muse album performed by people who didn't care as much as Muse does.

(And I hate Muse.)

Adam C

11-03-2009, 09:43 AM

Although I'm pretty excited for Julian Casablancas' solo album later this month.

I'm barely interested in the Strokes at all (and yes, I still haven't heard the song posted on the list) but when I heard one of the tracks off the album, I was actually excited. (I also immediately sent a link of it to a friend who's a disco fan.)

mgs

11-14-2009, 12:43 PM

Well, since the 2000's are not over yet, surely some of the list will be purged?

I mean, surely some Lady Gaga song will overtake the Britney song, right? O.o

howyadoin

11-14-2009, 01:32 PM

Well, since the 2000's are not over yet, surely some of the list will be purged?They'll be over in a few weeks. Are you expecting something earthshaking to happen in that time?

Slackjaws_ate_my_brain

11-14-2009, 01:47 PM

The Strokes at #2? I thought they were just one of those bands that Spin and Rolling Stone tried to hell and back to get people to like that never really amounted to much? I could easily be wrong on this.

There was a time when I followed popular music, simply to know what was big and who people were into at the time, but honestly, I haven't followed popular music since 2001, so I'm admitedly a bit out-of-the-loop

Jonathan Bogart

11-14-2009, 04:58 PM

The Strokes at #2? I thought they were just one of those bands that Spin and Rolling Stone tried to hell and back to get people to like that never really amounted to much? I could easily be wrong on this.
Depends on what you mean by "amounted to much." They had one minor hit off their first album ("Last Nite"), and that was pretty much it as far as chart action -- and major sales -- went.

But I think they've held up really well compared to a lot of their immediate peers and all of their followers (cough the Bravery cough). I still listen to their catchy, trickier-than-it-sounds guitar-pop every couple of years and dig the hell out of it. And from what I've seen poking around the internet at the critics I admire and respect, I'm not alone.

howyadoin

11-14-2009, 05:45 PM

The Strokes at #2? I thought they were just one of those bands that Spin and Rolling Stone tried to hell and back to get people to like that never really amounted to much? I could easily be wrong on this.Rolling Stone is usually too far behind the times to actually try pushing new things. Spin's definitely been playing the hipper-than-thou card pretty much since they started, though.

Reptisaurus!

11-14-2009, 08:37 PM

They'll be over in a few weeks. Are you expecting something earthshaking to happen in that time?

I'd argue "Bad Romance" as one of the best radio-pop songs of the decade.

Eric D.

11-14-2009, 08:45 PM

Rolling Stone is usually too far behind the times to actually try pushing new things. Spin's definitely been playing the hipper-than-thou card pretty much since they started, though.

yeah, but if we take a closer look at that card, -we'd see that it expired about 15 years ago.

mgs

11-15-2009, 06:27 AM

They'll be over in a few weeks. Are you expecting something earthshaking to happen in that time?
no, but you never know. new stuff comes out all the time. :smile:

Slackjaws_ate_my_brain

11-15-2009, 06:54 AM

Depends on what you mean by "amounted to much." They had one minor hit off their first album ("Last Nite"), and that was pretty much it as far as chart action -- and major sales -- went.

But I think they've held up really well compared to a lot of their immediate peers and all of their followers (cough the Bravery cough). I still listen to their catchy, trickier-than-it-sounds guitar-pop every couple of years and dig the hell out of it. And from what I've seen poking around the internet at the critics I admire and respect, I'm not alone.

I just remember a point around 2001 or so that all of these music mags were hyping bands like The Strokes, The Vines, The Hives, Jet, etc etc etc as being the next big thing in mainstream popular music. They were on all the covers and hyped for months.....only to see each band have 1 minor hit and mediocre sales.

Personally, the whole 60's retro indie/garage thing never did it for me personally. That said, admittedly I'm not the biggest fan of most 60's music in general, so it's not the biggest shock that I wasn't into it.

howyadoin

11-15-2009, 01:43 PM

I just remember a point around 2001 or so that all of these music mags were hyping bands like The Strokes, The Vines, The Hives, Jet, etc etc etc as being the next big thing in mainstream popular music. They were on all the covers and hyped for months.....only to see each band have 1 minor hit and mediocre sales.What about the White Stripes?

Eric D.

11-15-2009, 07:18 PM

only to see each band have 1 minor hit and mediocre sales.

yeah, but great music hasn't always translated to stellar charts / sales.

Slackjaws_ate_my_brain

11-15-2009, 07:35 PM

What about the White Stripes?

You're right, there were all over the place as well. Again, not a fan in the least, but, if memory serves they had a decent run, right?

yeah, but great music hasn't always translated to stellar charts / sales.

Again, very true. That said, mainstream rock music mags, however, should cover what's popular at the time, not specifically push the agenda of a few editors and try to create trends. Still, that's simply my opinion on it.

howyadoin

11-15-2009, 10:05 PM

You're right, there were all over the place as well. Again, not a fan in the least, but, if memory serves they had a decent run, right?They're still around. And Jack White is a big enough star now that he did the title song for the last Bond movie with Alicia Keys, and appeared in Scorsese's Rolling Stones concert film.

DrewTheXenocide

11-15-2009, 11:10 PM

They're still around. And Jack White is a big enough star now that he did the title song for the last Bond movie with Alicia Keys, and appeared in Scorsese's Rolling Stones concert film.

Not to mention was in a movie with Jimmy Paige and the Edge.

Slackjaws_ate_my_brain

11-15-2009, 11:11 PM

Didn't he also produce a bizarre Loretta Lynn album as well?

howyadoin

11-15-2009, 11:17 PM

Didn't he also produce a bizarre Loretta Lynn album as well?It's a very traditional Loretta Lynn album, actually. And very good.

Slackjaws_ate_my_brain

11-16-2009, 01:23 AM

"Van Lear Rose", right? By "Bizarre", I was speaking solely about the production. Overly reverb-y guitars, Huge sounding Drums, and the occasional droning dissonance struck me as odd for an artist like Lynn. The weird echo-y vibe that the record has is the turn off for me. The songs themselves are, for the most part, some of her strongest IMO.

When it was raw (acoustic guitar, vocals, dobro etc), I dug it (I miss being Mrs. tonight, High on a Mountain Top, Story of my Life, etc), but some of the tracks had this strange "over produced to sound under produced feel" that I wasn't into ("Women's Prison" comes to mind). Other stuff was just a little too experimental for me (the intro to "Portland Oregon" for example). For some songs it works (Trouble on the line), but, for others (like Have Mercy or Little Red Shoes (which sounded more like a Shatner tune)) I wasn't digging on it at all or I was left scratching my head

Like I said, I enjoyed a few of the songs, but I just found the production to have a strange sound. If he would have went the route that Rick Rubin went with Johnny Cash in the early 90's (keep it stripped down and raw, tight and clean) I think I would have enjoyed the album much more.

When you have a singer with an instantly identifiable voice like Loretta Lynn who's an amazing songwriter, the LAST thing one should notice is the production sound. Sadly, for me anyway, it was the first. I didn't say it was a bad record, far from it, only that it's bizarre, it's odd sonically.

jesse_custer

11-16-2009, 07:47 AM

The Strokes is really the only new garage band I enjoy. I just don't get the hooks of these other bands. The White Stripes, for example, I instantly forget their melodies.

Ilash

11-16-2009, 07:53 AM

The Strokes is really the only new garage band I enjoy. I just don't get the hooks of these other bands. The White Stripes, for example, I instantly forget their melodies.

Yeah and don't even get me started on the Arctic Monkeys.

jessecuster3

11-16-2009, 08:19 AM

The Strokes is really the only new garage band I enjoy. I just don't get the hooks of these other bands. The White Stripes, for example, I instantly forget their melodies.

Not a Black Keys fan, then?

I personally think The Libertines produced the best "new" garage album.

jesse_custer

11-16-2009, 08:29 AM

I don't lump The Black Keys in with these other groups. Hell, they're doing a blues/rap album right now, and they're 100 percent bluesier than any of this stuff.

jessecuster3

11-16-2009, 09:20 AM

I don't lump The Black Keys in with these other groups. Hell, they're doing a blues/rap album right now, and they're 100 percent bluesier than any of this stuff.

I don't know, they are still very much a garage band, just with a blues background.

jesse_custer

11-16-2009, 09:30 AM

Just going by what I hear, I still identify The Black Keys with blues more than the new garage label.

And I don't see any of these other bands teaming up with Q-Tip and Mos Def.

jessecuster3

11-16-2009, 09:44 AM

Just going by what I hear, I still identify The Black Keys with blues more than the new garage label.

And I don't see any of these other bands teaming up with Q-Tip and Mos Def.

Well sure, if you want to completely ignore their previous 5 albums.

jesse_custer

11-16-2009, 10:00 AM

I don't know what you hope to accomplish by doing this.

I'm not claiming to be an expert on The Black Keys. But based on what I've heard, they bring Howlin' Wolf to my mind rather than any of these other bands or the artists they might bring to mind.

DrewTheXenocide

11-16-2009, 10:29 AM

The Strokes is really the only new garage band I enjoy. I just don't get the hooks of these other bands. The White Stripes, for example, I instantly forget their melodies.

I only really just started listening to The White Stripes, but I really like what I've heard. But what I've mostly been hearing is sick guitar work. I couldn't hum "Ball and Biscuit" for you, but I can attest to its mind-blowing solos.

Edit: And I usually hate guitar solos.

Yeah and don't even get me started on the Arctic Monkeys.

That first album was fucking amazing. Not a bad track on it. Why don't you like them?

howyadoin

11-16-2009, 11:04 AM

I'm not claiming to be an expert on The Black Keys. But based on what I've heard, they bring Howlin' Wolf to my mind rather than any of these other bands or the artists they might bring to mind.But the garage sound of the 2000s is every bit as blues-based as the garage sound of the 1960s.

Adam C

11-16-2009, 11:07 AM

The Strokes is really the only new garage band I enjoy. I just don't get the hooks of these other bands. The White Stripes, for example, I instantly forget their melodies.

Funny. I actually find White Stripes songs to be very memorable and catchy, but I get bored with almost every Strokes song I hear with the exception of "Last Nite" and "The Modern Age" (and the latter is helped by being expertly sequenced on a comp of 'punk' songs I got with the very first copy of Mojo that I bought).

Just going by what I hear, I still identify The Black Keys with blues more than the new garage label.

Re-phrasing Earth 3 Jesse Custer's question: just to get a sense of where you are coming from, what of their stuff have you heard? I only ask since their last two albums (though I haven't heard of much Magic Potion yet) are heavier and a bit more psychedelic, though for first three albums stuff like 10 A.M. Automatic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-CukK3eYt0), their cover of Richard Berry's Have Love Will Travel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKLQr51WsTM), and Stack Shot Billy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvulRWKxIUo) do make me see the garage rock comparisons. But more Howlin' Wolf (or Hound Dog Taylor) by the way of Nuggets, or Blue Cheer being pushed a little further back into their garage rock roots, rather than 'straight' garage rock. (Whatever that is.)

Personally I think the 'new garage' or 'garage rock revival' label was a bit of a misnomer that was applied to some guitar bands in the early aughts that had a punky sound. "Fell In Love With A Girl" is certainly straight garage rock, though often the Stripes, particularly after they hit it big, seem to lean as much towards blues as the Keys if a little artier in their approach. The Strokes have almost nothing in common beyond punk, lo-fi aesthetic. Musically they seem to have more in common with the New York art punk like the VU, Richard Hell, Patti Smith, maybe a smattering of Television, etc. while the Libertines being coming straight out of the British punk-indie tradition from the Kinks to the Jam to Wreckless Eric to the Smiths. The Vines were basically a grunge band with slightly better melodies, and only the Hives actually seemed to be a garage rock band, sonically and spiritually.

jesse_custer

11-16-2009, 12:20 PM

Perhaps I should revise my statement to say that while The Black Keys are part of the new garage movement, they have really set themselves apart--for me, anyway--from the other bands with a more intense blues influence and this new blues/rap project.

But the garage sound of the 2000s is every bit as blues-based as the garage sound of the 1960s.

I agree that it is blues-based to a degree, but as blues-based as 1960s garage? I get indie and post-punk vibes, too, but maybe that's just me.

just to get a sense of where you are coming from, what of their stuff have you heard?

Various songs off most of their albums and the new blues/rap single. I've liked just about everything I've heard, but to me the songs don't have the same appeal as The Strokes or The Hives.

And honestly, I'm not an expert on old garage rock. I'm not even that qualified to talk about blues, but I know Hubert Sumlin-influenced shit when I hear it.

Ilash

11-16-2009, 01:19 PM

That first album was fucking amazing. Not a bad track on it. Why don't you like them?

I've only heard some of their radio tracks and while the energy is there, the songwriting sure as hell ain't. Where are the hooks?

Adam C

11-16-2009, 01:29 PM

Perhaps I should revise my statement to say that while The Black Keys are part of the new garage movement, they have really set themselves apart--for me, anyway--from the other bands with a more intense blues influence and this new blues/rap project.

Fair enough. I was just curious about the distinction since I actually see the garage rock roots in them, but unlike other posters moreso than in bands like the Strokes.

I agree that it is blues-based to a degree, but as blues-based as 1960s garage? I get indie and post-punk vibes, too, but maybe that's just me.

I do as well, though as I said these so-called 'garage revival' bands don't have that much in common.

And honestly, I'm not an expert on old garage rock. I'm not even that qualified to talk about blues, but I know Hubert Sumlin-influenced shit when I hear it.

Well garage rock is like a dirtier, punkier version of the British invasion, often leaning towards proto-punk and psychedelia, but recognizably rooted in 60s rock. The Kingsmen's "Louie Louie" counts as a garage rock, as does the Count Five's "Psychotic Reaction", the Seeds' "Pushin' Too Hard", and the Sonics' "Witch". With the exception of the Hives, I find those are a world apart from the bands' already mentioned except the earlier phase of the Stripes' and the Keys' careers. And even then it's dicey.

Out of curiosity have you heard of Junior Kimbrough? (The Key's big influence?)

jesse_custer

11-16-2009, 01:38 PM

Out of curiosity have you heard of Junior Kimbrough? (The Key's big influence?)

Heard very good things about him.

But here I am, a fellow Mississippian, and I haven't listened to him.

howyadoin

11-16-2009, 01:47 PM

I agree that it is blues-based to a degree, but as blues-based as 1960s garage? I get indie and post-punk vibes, too, but maybe that's just me. Well, as Adam said it varies from band to band, but the Keys and the White Stripes are certainly as blues-based.

Heard very good things about him.

But here I am, a fellow Mississippian, and I haven't listened to him.You really oughta check him out.

twilight

11-16-2009, 04:54 PM

I'm willing to give Arctic Monkeys a thumbs up solely for the fact that three albums in they've already decided to shake up their sound,unlike another British band I could mention.

*cough*Oasis*cough*

-Twi

Valmore

11-17-2009, 10:49 PM

You are so NOT planning the music selection for our cross-country trip.

Eric D.

11-18-2009, 09:41 AM

Well garage rock is like a dirtier, punkier version of the British invasion, often leaning towards proto-punk and psychedelia, but recognizably rooted in 60s rock. The Kingsmen's "Louie Louie" counts as a garage rock, as does the Count Five's "Psychotic Reaction", the Seeds' "Pushin' Too Hard", and the Sonics' "Witch". With the exception of the Hives, I find those are a world apart from the bands' already mentioned except the earlier phase of the Stripes' and the Keys' careers. And even then it's dicey.

David Allen & The Arrows, Shadows of Knight, Standells all on the bluesier side of 60's garage.