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Hey, check out this link for Todd McFarlane's new Image series. It looks nothing like Spider-Man! Perhaps maybe The Prowler, I mean Spawn can cameo?
http://media.comics.ign.com/media/954/954044/img_7193541.html
CyberHubbs
10-06-2009, 11:52 AM
His battlecry is "SPLOOSH!"
coconutphone
10-06-2009, 12:16 PM
My jaw is literally dropped. One trick pony much?
The Shadow
10-06-2009, 12:34 PM
I smell copyright infringment!
steveg887
10-06-2009, 12:39 PM
I think this makes Image even for when Marvel ripped Spawn off with Nightwatch.
Farmernudie
10-06-2009, 01:37 PM
Wow...i guess the after-effects of OMD and "the deal" ARE getting wrapped and addressed outside of Amazing! :biggrin:
coconutphone
10-06-2009, 01:42 PM
Wow...i guess the after-effects of OMD and "the deal" ARE getting wrapped and addressed outside of Amazing! :biggrin:
It's posts like these combined with your avatar, and me picturing your avatar saying them that make me just love you as a poster (I'm sure you're a nice person too but I don't know you that well ;) )
Goshin
10-06-2009, 01:46 PM
Damn, if he really wants to draw Spiderman that bad then he should just come back to Marvel like Liefeld did...
The Shadow
10-06-2009, 02:01 PM
Wow...i guess the after-effects of OMD and "the deal" ARE getting wrapped and addressed outside of Amazing! :biggrin:
Why must you bring OMD into EVERY thread? :confused:
Can't you give it a rest for a while? :frown:
coconutphone
10-06-2009, 02:12 PM
Why must you bring OMD into EVERY thread? :confused:
Can't you give it a rest for a while? :frown:
Oh he was joking! Besides he has to live in a BND world, at least give him some form of release.
dodger8804
10-06-2009, 02:14 PM
I'm still giving it a go.
whiteshark
10-06-2009, 02:33 PM
Damm.:evilangry:
I thought the title of this thread was for real and that McFarlane would be drawing Spider-Man again.
The Shadow
10-06-2009, 02:40 PM
Oh he was joking!
He probably wasn't... :frown:
coconutphone
10-06-2009, 02:47 PM
He probably wasn't... :frown:
Unless you're one of the Stepford Cuckoos you're not a mind reader. ;)
Rev. Calibos
10-06-2009, 02:47 PM
Heh.
I saw this cover and I just immediately just thought of this:
http://image2.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/31862866698.1.CAVALCADE.GIF
Definitely NOT the Heroes Reborn Cap and Buck, that's for sure......:biggrin:
The Shadow
10-06-2009, 03:14 PM
Unless you're one of the Stepford Cuckoos you're not a mind reader. ;)
shouldn't a joke be funny?
Farmernudie
10-06-2009, 03:21 PM
Shadow: Why must you bring OMD into EVERY thread?
Can't you give it a rest for a while?
HOLY JOKE ANIMOSITY BATMAN!
LOOSEN THE UNDIES THERE ROBIN!
GOOD GRIEF! :confused:
(practically every thing i say and do in life, is VERY tongue in cheek!...you should talk to my patients!!..:biggrin: ...someone has to give them something to laugh about!)
Farmernudie
10-06-2009, 03:33 PM
Shadow: Nope... but what I can do is extrapolate based on his other postings. Based on my OPINION and his other postings, I don't think he was joking.
Why do you have to make everything so judgemental and WHY SO SERIOUS?
I mean, you don't even know me, yet you've done 3 posts to bash a joke and me, the first thing that came to my mind looking at the silly drawing. My comment is purely silly, same as the Todd drawing itself, a weird looking haunted guy, in a famous spidey pose, where you can literally remove the face and draw in spideys and voila!! I mean, i saw a colored pic of that already, in Wizard, and the same thoguht came into my mind there too, weeks ago. Innocent silly tought weeks ago, sorry you weren't here in my home to judge me then too. Good grief man.
In fact, i even showed my wife the colored pic in wizard weeks ago, and she doesn't even know spidey that much. She laughed, and i told her it looked like spidey ate too much citrus (the color version is "limey"), a side effect of the devil deal i told her. She too, like you, is very mad at me now, accusations in my house are flying!...she is taking the time to research my intentions, and making accusations of my joke. Oy yoy yoy.
You don't have to argue and accuse everyone of something constantly. If you don't find it funny, or silly, then move on. It's all good.
The Shadow
10-06-2009, 03:45 PM
HOLY JOKE ANIMOSITY BATMAN!
LOOSEN THE UNDIES THERE ROBIN!
GOOD GRIEF! :confused:
(practically every thing i say and do in life, is VERY tongue in cheek!...you should talk to my patients!!..:biggrin: ...someone has to give them something to laugh about!)
Truthfully if this were a one off comment or not something you are obviously so passionate about I might not have even noticed.
It was and I did.
The Shadow
10-06-2009, 03:47 PM
Why do you have to make everything so judgemental and WHY SO SERIOUS?
I mean, you don't even know me, yet you've done 3 posts to bash a joke and me, the first thing that came to my mind looking at the silly drawing. My comment is purely silly, same as the Todd drawing itself, a weird looking haunted guy, in a famous spidey pose, where you can literally remove the face and draw in spideys and voila!! I mean, i saw a colored pic of that already, in Wizard, and the same thoguht came into my mind there too, weeks ago. Innocent silly tought weeks ago, sorry you weren't here in my home to judge me then too. Good grief man.
In fact, i even showed my wife the colored pic in wizard weeks ago, and she doesn't even know spidey that much. She laughed, and i told her it looked like spidey ate too much citrus (the color version is "limey"), a side effect of the devil deal i told her. She too, like you, is very mad at me now, accusations in my house are flying!...she is taking the time to research my intentions, and making accusations of my joke. Oy yoy yoy.
You don't have to argue and accuse everyone of something constantly. If you don't find it funny, or silly, then move on. It's all good.
And OMD is brought back up yet again. :rolleyes:
Farmernudie
10-06-2009, 03:48 PM
Truthfully, I don't have anything else to even say about it Shadow.
It was just me joshin'...and i noticed a Thread Topic below, to bounce it from...about finishing a storyline outside of Amazing...clever to me, not you, fine by me.
And OMD is brought back up yet again.
Oh my word...you make it personal, i tell you about my wife, and then you roll eyes and accuse me more, for standing up for my joke and sharing a story about my wife when i read wizard, you gotta accuse more. Whatever. That says alot about you. Take a joke and there'd be no discussion at all. Good grief man.
NickFury90
10-06-2009, 04:24 PM
The Shadow being argumentative for even the tiniest of reasons? Don't see that in every thread :rolleyes:
steveg887
10-06-2009, 04:41 PM
Oh, so this is what a thread looks like before it gets locked.
The Shadow
10-06-2009, 05:04 PM
The Shadow being argumentative for even the tiniest of reasons? Don't see that in every thread :rolleyes:
:evilsmile: I wasn't being argumentative at all... just wishing for a OMD-less thread. *sigh* to dreaaaaammmm the impossible dreeeeeeaam
Anywhoo... I would love McFarlane to do a Spidey project again.
I wonder if Joe ever broaches the subject with him.
Patrick Hultquist
10-06-2009, 05:31 PM
Anywhoo... I would love McFarlane to do a Spidey project again.
I wonder if Joe ever broaches the subject with him.
I don't understand why there's a rift to begin with. Why doesn't McFarlane come back?
matthewaos
10-06-2009, 05:35 PM
Oh, so this is what a thread looks like before it gets locked.
That was funny.
I can't understand that guy (McFarlane). Why he is doing this? I mean really, go do some Spider-Man, or just learn some new tricks. Or stop!!!
Farmernudie
10-06-2009, 05:42 PM
Yeh, when i showed the pic to my wife, before saying anything about it much, i asked her who the pose it looked like, iconic of, pers say...and she said spider-man!
I mean, with the whispy stuff and all around him...it reaks spidey in many ways. Surely Todd knows that! He's a smart guy!
The Shadow
10-06-2009, 05:47 PM
I don't understand why there's a rift to begin with. Why doesn't McFarlane come back?
I'm wondering if it still doesn't go back to the formation of Image.
McFarlane said he'd never work for Marvel again and so far he's kept his word while a few of his cohorts have gone back after some time.
Liefeld, Silvestri and Valentino all have.
Jim Lee (DC exclusive), Larsen (EIC at Image) and McFarlane have not.
Meanwhile Whilce Portacio has done some work for DC and is on Spawn.
The Shadow
10-06-2009, 05:51 PM
He [Todd]'s a smart guy!
Ummm... I beg to differ.
At auction McFarlane paid US $3 million for Mark McGuire's 70th home run baseball. He later purchased Bonds' record breaking 73rd home run ball for $450,000. :biggrin:
He's so SMRT :biggrin: :biggrin:
Bodhi M.
10-06-2009, 06:16 PM
Well, I certainly question the originality of this character, but you can't fault McFarlane for his lack of artistic ability. This image shows me that he's still got the chops, and if he actually pencil's it, and not just the covers, there could be a future for it.
Alan2099
10-06-2009, 07:02 PM
So, when exactly did Ghostrider get the Venom symbite?
Jim Thompson
10-06-2009, 07:04 PM
Ummm... I beg to differ.
At auction McFarlane paid US $3 million for Mark McGuire's 70th home run baseball. He later purchased Bonds' record breaking 73rd home run ball for $450,000. :biggrin:
He's so SMRT :biggrin: :biggrin:He's got the money, and he spends it on stuff he enjoys -- what's not smart about that?
The Shadow
10-06-2009, 07:10 PM
He's got the money, and he spends it on stuff he enjoys -- what's not smart about that?
I don't fault anyone for spending on what they like... I'm just questioning the soundness of spending the $$$ on the ball.
matthewaos
10-06-2009, 07:14 PM
Actually, with the teeth, he looks more like this guy:
http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/4938/battle80jpg.png (http://img36.imageshack.us/i/battle80jpg.png/)
McFarlane is a very smart guy. He really does not care to draw as to make money, he has his (amazing) figures. He had Spawn as to keep his name in the game. Now that nothing saves Spawn, he creates this guy.
spiderman_rj
10-06-2009, 07:54 PM
Truth be told spawn was a one trick poney that had nowhere to go really. the story must reach an end, and when it did, he prolongued it with more fantasy......spawn should had been a limited series.
The Shadow
10-06-2009, 07:57 PM
Truth be told spawn was a one trick poney that had nowhere to go really. the story must reach an end, and when it did, he prolongued it with more fantasy......spawn should had been a limited series.
Spawn ended?
I got 1-75 and then 97-100 and haven't bough or even looked at an issue since.
matthewaos
10-06-2009, 07:59 PM
Spawn ended? I tryed the book once more when Hine got to write it, but it was boring, and I love Hine! That was around #150 or 170.
spiderman_rj
10-06-2009, 07:59 PM
I dont follow the character, but i think it was restarted, after the "final" story, that turned out not to be so final....
flashdisk
10-06-2009, 11:58 PM
Venom and Spiderman were drawn by McFarlane. A lot of their attributes were heavily influenced by him. So we I doubt we can fault McFarlane for lack of originality. He's just reusing ideas that were originally his and applying it to a new creation.
From what I can tell, Haunt defeated Spider-man in terms of sales in the first issue. With Kirkman and McFarlane at the helm, this issue might have a future.
Speaking of which, McFarlane has been very active. After all, he's not only running his company, but also writing for Spawn. With Portacio leaving the title in a few issues, he's doing a large portion of the art for issue 195.
Check out his twitter here:
http://twitter.com/Todd_Mcfarlane
flashdisk
10-07-2009, 12:01 AM
No, Spawn the comic is alive. But Al Simmons the original Spawn died; committed suicide to be more exact. Another Spawn has taken the reins.
yadadaimhollaing
10-07-2009, 12:02 AM
Can some one post an image? Me no likey links
Unless mcfarlene can draw faces im not all that interested in his art. Im sure that mcfarlenes heart isnt in drawing so im not that excited either
Aziz Abbasi
10-07-2009, 12:11 AM
(practically every thing i say and do in life, is VERY tongue in cheek!...you should talk to my patients!!..:biggrin: ...someone has to give them something to laugh about!)DOCTOR IN THE HOUSE
NE-AAH, WHAT'S UP DOC?:tongue:
I love Doctors, except for shrinks, are you a shrink?
Aziz Abbasi
10-07-2009, 01:43 AM
http://www.imagecomics.com/gallery2/g2data_373ph4nt/albums/news/Haunt1_cover.jpg
MCFARLANE AND KIRKMAN HAUNT STORES THIS WEEK!
HAUNT, the long-awaited collaboration between Image Partners Robert Kirkman and Todd McFarlane, is in stores October 7th, 2009!
HAUNT, the highly anticipated new title from Todd McFarlane and Robert Kirkman, hits stores this Wednesday, October 7th! The new ongoing series features an all-star creative cast consisting of writer, Kirkman (WALKING DEAD, INVINCIBLE), layout artist, Greg Capullo (SPAWN, THE CREECH), penciller, Ryan Ottley (INVINCIBLE), inker, McFarlane (SPAWN, SPIDER-MAN), colorist Fco Plascencia (INVINCIBLE) and letterer, Richard Starkings (ELEPHANTMEN).
After a challenge from Kirkman in 2006, McFarlane teamed up with the New York Times best-selling author to bring the marketplace the most imaginative and daring new hero to date.
“One of the more satisfying parts of being an artist is giving birth to these creative children. After spending enough years raising and honing Spawn, Robert nudged me to try a hand at giving birth again. The outcome, combined with Robert’s writing abilities, as well as the art skills of Ottley and Capullo, I’m extremely proud of," McFarlane said.
Kirkman added, “McFarlane, Capullo, Ottley, Plascencia, Starkings--you couldn't find a better team of collaborators. I couldn't be prouder of this book. This is definitely a high note in my career.”
HAUNT centers on a pair of brothers, Kurt and Daniel Kilgore, who act more like adversaries than family. Kurt, a secret agent, and Daniel, a less than holy priest, bond in a way neither of them expects after Kurt's untimely death. A surprise fusing of Kurt's ghost with Daniel's body creates a chain reaction, turning the brothers into the character, Haunt.
HAUNT #1 (AUG090285), a 32-page full color comic book for $2.99, on sale Wednesday, October 7th, with five variant covers available. To find retailers visit www.comicshoplocator.com.
Just like Bret Hart will never work for Vince McMahon again, Todd McFarlane will never work for Marvel again.
There's just some rivalries that last forever.
Todd should forget about making comics and go back to baseballs and toys.
CyberHubbs
10-07-2009, 10:28 AM
Venom and Spiderman were drawn by McFarlane. A lot of their attributes were heavily influenced by him. So we I doubt we can fault McFarlane for lack of originality. He's just reusing ideas that were originally his and applying it to a new creation.
From what I can tell, Haunt defeated Spider-man in terms of sales in the first issue. With Kirkman and McFarlane at the helm, this issue might have a future.
Speaking of which, McFarlane has been very active. After all, he's not only running his company, but also writing for Spawn. With Portacio leaving the title in a few issues, he's doing a large portion of the art for issue 195.
Check out his twitter here:
http://twitter.com/Todd_Mcfarlane
When was this?
matthewaos
10-07-2009, 03:22 PM
When was this?
I don't know, does he mean Haunt was a better slae than ASM #1, or even AF #15? Does he mean that Haunt #1 was a better seller than the latest ASM issue? Either way that does not prove anything, Hulk is a good seller and everyone hates it.
RDMacQ
10-07-2009, 04:47 PM
I read the first issue, and I can tell you that Haunt is NOTHING like Spider-Man. He may be thin and agile, but that is where the similarities end.
flashdisk
10-07-2009, 05:27 PM
When was this?
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2009/10/01/kirkman-and-mcfarlanes-haunt-gets-60000-orders/
I read it from this thread.
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=288957
Can someone check this again. Now looking at that thread again, I admit might have made a mistake regarding this. But the report does have some interesting facts. Its states that Haunt is almost in the 60,000s range in terms of preorders. If that's the case, there could be some competition from Image comics once again.
I'd like to know the actual sales for the Haunt comic book though.
matthewaos
10-07-2009, 06:20 PM
Of course. McFarlane is a big name that he is not doing much work, the last, what 10 years now maybe? I mean, even when he was "co"-writing Spawn, I doubt that he ever said a single word for the story. More like an editor it seemed to me.
Also, McFarlane is one of those 90s guys that got many people into comics, or one of those who were super stars when most people started reading (and by most people I'm refering to the the comic fans with an average age of 25. I think that most people reading comics now are in that age). It's like when Liefeld is doing a title, everyone goes nuts. I don't know why, but believe me, there are still people out there who worship McFarlane or Liefeld still, and will buy whatever they create, even if it's good or bad.
The Shadow
10-07-2009, 06:39 PM
Just like Bret Hart will never work for Vince McMahon again
Bret did work with Vince again though... several times in fact. Because Bret was injured and unable to wrestle for Vince again doesn't mean they haven't collaborated.
Bret's DVD would not have been possible without working with Vince. Neither would the WWF/E pictures of Bret in Bret's book. Plus Bret went into the WWE Hall of Fame by working with Vince.
The Shadow
10-07-2009, 06:39 PM
I read the first issue, and I can tell you that Haunt is NOTHING like Spider-Man. He may be thin and agile, but that is where the similarities end.
Was it Good? Bad? Ugly?
Jim Thompson
10-07-2009, 07:32 PM
I read the first issue, and I can tell you that Haunt is NOTHING like Spider-Man. He may be thin and agile, but that is where the similarities end.I was thinking about picking this issue up -- was it any good?
Alexrules
10-07-2009, 07:36 PM
Still looks better than any Satanic SPider-man stuff. I started reading Amazing when McFarlane was drawing and it was great. Back then, that was Spider-man, friends.
stillanerd
10-07-2009, 07:36 PM
I read the first issue, and I can tell you that Haunt is NOTHING like Spider-Man. He may be thin and agile, but that is where the similarities end.
Was it Good? Bad? Ugly?
I was thinking about picking this issue up -- was it any good?
Yeah, I'm actually curious about this myself. All I know about it is from what I read in a preview, in that the comic series involves two brothers, one a foul-mouthed Catholic priest who has been secretly seeing a prostitute and the other a Black-ops special forces soldier who feels guilt-ridden about his missions.
Jim Thompson
10-07-2009, 07:37 PM
Still looks better than any Satanic SPider-man stuff. I started reading Amazing when McFarlane was drawing and it was great. Back then, that was Spider-man, friends.I liked that era a lot, but I think, for me, that had more to do with the writing than the art -- though having said that, I thought the art was great, too.
Michael P
10-07-2009, 07:39 PM
From what I can tell, Haunt defeated Spider-man in terms of sales in the first issue. With Kirkman and McFarlane at the helm, this issue might have a future.
I sincerely doubt that, simply because no comic today can possibly sell in those numbers. Even Blackest Night is doing merely a tenth what McFarlane's Spider-Man 1 did.
Also, it's worth noting that McFarlane is simply inking over Ryan Ottley's pencils.
RDMacQ
10-07-2009, 07:43 PM
I was thinking about picking this issue up -- was it any good?
I liked it. But then again, I really like Kirkman, so it's not a surprise.
The art's a little dark and sketchy, not what I'm used to from Ryan Ottley on Invincible, but it actually does a lot to differentiate the title from his other book. The brother's have an interesting dynamic- the Priest engages in some pretty unsavory behavior, while his soldier brother seems to have some pretty noble motives but still engages in some questionable behavior on his own. It's interesting because it sets up an interesting conflict that makes it hard to know who to "root" for. We are drawn to the Priest because he is doing God's work, but he doesn't exactly come off as the nicest person in the world. The Soldier has a strong sense of morality, but he does kill people for a living and he himself is torn up by such actions. The narrative gets a little confusing in the middle, but it does pick up towards the end and sets up a nice cliffhanger that gives an idea of what the status quo for this new hero will be like.
It's a little more serious and grim than what I'm used to from Kirkman (and Invincible and Astonishing Wolf-Man can get PRETTY grim) but overall it was pretty interesting and I think I'd go back for a second look. If you are a fan of what Kirkman does, I think you won't be disappointed. Just be warned that it IS a slow burn at first, but it really does step it up towards the end of the issue.
The Shadow
10-07-2009, 07:45 PM
I liked it. But then again, I really like Kirkman, so it's not a surprise.
The art's a little dark and sketchy, not what I'm used to from Ryan Ottley on Invincible, but it actually does a lot to differentiate the title from his other book. The brother's have an interesting dynamic- the Priest engages in some pretty unsavory behavior, while his soldier brother seems to have some pretty noble motives but still engages in some questionable behavior on his own. It's interesting because it sets up an interesting conflict that makes it hard to know who to "root" for. We are drawn to the Priest because he is doing God's work, but he doesn't exactly come off as the nicest person in the world. The Soldier has a strong sense of morality, but he does kill people for a living and he himself is torn up by such actions. The narrative gets a little confusing in the middle, but it does pick up towards the end and sets up a nice cliffhanger that gives an idea of what the status quo for this new hero will be like.
It's a little more serious and grim than what I'm used to from Kirkman (and Invincible and Astonishing Wolf-Man can get PRETTY grim) but overall it was pretty interesting and I think I'd go back for a second look. If you are a fan of what Kirkman does, I think you won't be disappointed. Just be warned that it IS a slow burn at first, but it really does step it up towards the end of the issue.
Is it a mystery who's in the costume or do they explain things by the end?
Jim Thompson
10-07-2009, 07:47 PM
I liked it. But then again, I really like Kirkman, so it's not a surprise.
The art's a little dark and sketchy, not what I'm used to from Ryan Ottley on Invincible, but it actually does a lot to differentiate the title from his other book. The brother's have an interesting dynamic- the Priest engages in some pretty unsavory behavior, while his soldier brother seems to have some pretty noble motives but still engages in some questionable behavior on his own. It's interesting because it sets up an interesting conflict that makes it hard to know who to "root" for. We are drawn to the Priest because he is doing God's work, but he doesn't exactly come off as the nicest person in the world. The Soldier has a strong sense of morality, but he does kill people for a living and he himself is torn up by such actions. The narrative gets a little confusing in the middle, but it does pick up towards the end and sets up a nice cliffhanger that gives an idea of what the status quo for this new hero will be like.
It's a little more serious and grim than what I'm used to from Kirkman (and Invincible and Astonishing Wolf-Man can get PRETTY grim) but overall it was pretty interesting and I think I'd go back for a second look. If you are a fan of what Kirkman does, I think you won't be disappointed. Just be warned that it IS a slow burn at first, but it really does step it up towards the end of the issue.Thanks. I'll probably give it a bash.
RDMacQ
10-07-2009, 07:53 PM
Is it a mystery who's in the costume or do they explain things by the end?
They explain who (and what) is in the costume, but still leave the question of HOW and WHY up in the air.
The Shadow
10-07-2009, 07:58 PM
They explain who (and what) is in the costume, but still leave the question of HOW and WHY up in the air.
Thanks :smile:
Evil-Spidey
10-08-2009, 09:48 AM
Heh.
I saw this cover and I just immediately just thought of this:
http://image2.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/31862866698.1.CAVALCADE.GIF
Definitely NOT the Heroes Reborn Cap and Buck, that's for sure......:biggrin:
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/11307/406354-21743-131166-1-agent-america_super.jpg
http://s8.directupload.net/images/090823/gchg6bm2.jpg
coconutphone
10-08-2009, 09:57 AM
Holy crap! That is ridiculous. Just beyond pathetic.
Who's a fan of this sh*t?
matthewaos
10-08-2009, 10:13 AM
Which? The once above you or the hunt?
Aziz Abbasi
10-08-2009, 10:20 AM
Holy crap! That is ridiculous. Just beyond pathetic.
Who's a fan of this sh*t?The "Captain America" ripoff vs Hulk ripoff? Trust me when I tell you there are those who dislike the genuine article but enjoy this lazy man's work
I never read any of these two, never knew about them before this thread, but since some people call Spider-Man in general a bad character and enjoy Bleach and such Crappy Anime's I don't doubt someone preferring such crap to the better original work
Liefeild is a bad choice for an artist IMO, especially his face work. If what Stonegold said about him being the one with idea behind the creation of Deadpool and not Nicieza then that's the only thing I credit Liefield for
RDMacQ
10-08-2009, 11:03 AM
The "Captain America" ripoff vs Hulk ripoff? Trust me when I tell you there are those who dislike the genuine article but enjoy this lazy man's work
I never read any of these two, never knew about them before this thread, but since some people call Spider-Man in general a bad character and enjoy Bleach and such Crappy Anime's I don't doubt someone preferring such crap to the better original work
Liefeild is a bad choice for an artist IMO, especially his face work. If what Stonegold said about him being the one with idea behind the creation of Deadpool and not Nicieza then that's the only thing I credit Liefield for
Liefeld is behind the creation of Deadpool, in that he was an "homage" to Teen Titans villain Deathstroke.
Get it? DeathSTROKE- DeadPOOL. Even look at their names-SLADE Wilson and WADE Wilson. It wasn't until later writers came along and fleshed Deadpool out that he became a much more well rounded character.
RDMacQ
10-08-2009, 11:07 AM
What's worse about the Fighting American thing is that it wasn't even Liefeld's FIRST attempt at ripping Captain America off. See, there was already a character CALLED the Fighting American, created by Jack Kirby. HOWEVER, the Fighting American was not at all like Cap and didn't even carry a shield. But when Liefeld's first attempt at taking his layouts for his Heroes Reborn Captain America run and re-adapting them to a comic called AGENT America (which WAS a far more blatant ripoff) fell through due to Marvel suing them, that's when he "brought back" the Fighting American. Since the character already existed, Marvel couldn't sue for copyright infrigement to get the character pulled like they did with Agent America- just limit what could be done in the comic. Case in point- The Fighting American was not allowed to THROW his shield.
okpanic
10-08-2009, 12:32 PM
Mediocre comic is mediocre.
Rev. Calibos
10-08-2009, 12:36 PM
What's worse about the Fighting American thing is that it wasn't even Liefeld's FIRST attempt at ripping Captain America off. See, there was already a character CALLED the Fighting American, created by Jack Kirby. HOWEVER, the Fighting American was not at all like Cap and didn't even carry a shield. But when Liefeld's first attempt at taking his layouts for his Heroes Reborn Captain America run and re-adapting them to a comic called AGENT America (which WAS a far more blatant ripoff) fell through due to Marvel suing them, that's when he "brought back" the Fighting American. Since the character already existed, Marvel couldn't sue for copyright infrigement to get the character pulled like they did with Agent America- just limit what could be done in the comic. Case in point- The Fighting American was not allowed to THROW his shield.
Even that drew Marvel's ire.
I don't know all of the details offhand but I believe they were able to prevent Rob from showing the Fighting American throw his shield. He could use it defensively but anything else would have been deemed to similar to what Cap would do.
coconutphone
10-08-2009, 01:11 PM
what about that Smash character? Good freaking lord. That's not even a veiled copy. It's blatant.
Talisman
10-08-2009, 01:38 PM
I'm wondering if it still doesn't go back to the formation of Image.
McFarlane said he'd never work for Marvel again and so far he's kept his word while a few of his cohorts have gone back after some time.
Liefeld, Silvestri and Valentino all have.
Jim Lee (DC exclusive), Larsen (EIC at Image) and McFarlane have not.
Meanwhile Whilce Portacio has done some work for DC and is on Spawn.
Jim Lee has when he did Heroes Reborn and Larsen has a few times. Once when drawing Spidey for a few issues on Amazing, and then he also wrote the short lived Nova series and was writing on Wolverine right around the time he got his adamantium back.
And Portacio is getting ready to work on Rulk for an arc after Churchill's run.
RDMacQ
10-08-2009, 04:25 PM
Even that drew Marvel's ire.
I don't know all of the details offhand but I believe they were able to prevent Rob from showing the Fighting American throw his shield. He could use it defensively but anything else would have been deemed to similar to what Cap would do.
They compensated for that by having the Fighting American fire bladed projectiles out of his shield.
Alan2099
10-08-2009, 06:27 PM
I never read it. When it changed over from Agent America to Fighting American, did Liefeld keep the Iron Skull as his enemy or is that another thing Marvel put their foot down on?
RDMacQ
10-08-2009, 06:32 PM
I never read it. When it changed over from Agent America to Fighting American, did Liefeld keep the Iron Skull as his enemy or is that another thing Marvel put their foot down on?
I don't know. The mini series I read (because I LOVE reading really bad 90's era superhero comics) only featured the Fighting American battling some generic bad guys in suits, alongside his teenage sidekick S.P.I.C.E.
It was also written by Jeph Loeb, so make of that what you will.
The Shadow
10-08-2009, 07:27 PM
Jim Lee has when he did Heroes Reborn and Larsen has a few times. Once when drawing Spidey for a few issues on Amazing, and then he also wrote the short lived Nova series and was writing on Wolverine right around the time he got his adamantium back.
And Portacio is getting ready to work on Rulk for an arc after Churchill's run.
TOTALLY forgot Heroes Return!
Thanks for the other updates too!
Frank
10-10-2009, 05:16 AM
I think this makes Image even for when Marvel ripped Spawn off with Nightwatch.
Yea but Spawn's outfit was pretty much a rip-off of the old Spider-Man character "The Prowler".
RDMacQ
10-10-2009, 09:54 AM
Yea but Spawn's outfit was pretty much a rip-off of the old Spider-Man character "The Prowler".
I think Brian Bendis put it best when he described Spawn as a "cross between Spider-Man and Batman."
Which is a really wicked concept in and of itself, if you think about it.
Shade 20x6
10-10-2009, 11:40 AM
This is a joke, right?
Right?
Yikes.
StoneGold
10-10-2009, 11:48 AM
Liefeld is behind the creation of Deadpool, in that he was an "homage" to Teen Titans villain Deathstroke.
Get it? DeathSTROKE- DeadPOOL. Even look at their names-SLADE Wilson and WADE Wilson. It wasn't until later writers came along and fleshed Deadpool out that he became a much more well rounded character.
Actually, the name stuff was because Nicieza recognized he was a Deathstroke ripoff.
And I read the Haunt book. It's really more Brother Voodoo, but with more white people.
RDMacQ
10-10-2009, 12:20 PM
Actually, the name stuff was because Nicieza recognized he was a Deathstroke ripoff.
And I read the Haunt book. It's really more Brother Voodoo, but with more white people.
I'd go even further and say that it is also akin to the Captain Triumph concept.
Burning_Pumpkin
10-10-2009, 01:13 PM
My girl just peeked over my shoulder to see what i was rolling my eyes at.
"Spidey get caught out watching a porno?", she asks.
Dirty girl:tongue:.
Mister Mets
10-10-2009, 05:47 PM
Read the issue.
It was a bit derivative (a little bit of Spawn, a little bit of Preacher, a little bit of Captain Marvel, a little bit of Ennis's Darkness, a little bit of Captain Triumph from Golden Age) but the blend works for now. The idea of a superhero literally
haunted by a loved one is compelling.
The art was pretty effective. And it's fun to see Kirkman writing real bastards (villains and heroes.)
Jason Abbadon
10-11-2009, 12:25 AM
Well, I certainly question the originality of this character, but you can't fault McFarlane for his lack of artistic ability. This image shows me that he's still got the chops, and if he actually pencil's it, and not just the covers, there could be a future for it.
I also thought Anti-Venom was unoriginal.
Oh! This is not Anti-Venom!?!? Are you sure? I men...well...it's just that he's...
Man, I have respect for his action-figures and all that, but STOP RIPPING OFF MARVEL!
Jason Abbadon
10-11-2009, 12:26 AM
Super double-post.
In an interview waaaay back when he was drawing Spider-Man, Mc farlane was asked (in Comic's Scene I think) "What other characters would you like to draw?"
He said Ghost Rider and Doctor Strange were favorites.
A few years later we get an awful melting of Spidey, Doc strange and GR...
My best friend brings that up all the time...it was pretty obvious back then where his "inspiration" came from.
matthewaos
10-11-2009, 08:20 AM
I respect his art, considering what he did on Spider-Man. I believe that his art helped evolve Spider-Man's loook. But I can't not laugh when I see all those "comfortable" poses he draws Spider-Man. And actually some of them have some huge mistakes.
Haunt #1 was no. 29 on Diamond's October Sales Chart.
Wonder how many copies that is?
Pretty sure issue #3 will have an appearance by Spawn, Todd McFarlane himself, and maybe some baseballs...
ShaggyB
11-06-2009, 01:10 PM
so whats this book about?
ShaggyB
11-06-2009, 01:12 PM
Bret did work with Vince again though... several times in fact. Because Bret was injured and unable to wrestle for Vince again doesn't mean they haven't collaborated.
Bret's DVD would not have been possible without working with Vince. Neither would the WWF/E pictures of Bret in Bret's book. Plus Bret went into the WWE Hall of Fame by working with Vince.
i almost posted back to that... but you covered it well. I still miss Owen... may he rest in peace.
RDMacQ
11-06-2009, 02:50 PM
so whats this book about?
Basically there are two brothers- one a hard core, black ops soldier and a pretty decent guy, and the other who is a hard edged, bitter, chain smoking womanizer- who is also a priest. And the priest hates his brother. The soldier brother is killed, but his ghost still haunts the priest. And as they find out, the soldier's ghost can merge with the priest to form an ectoplasmic sheath around the priest's body that grants his increased strength, agility, speed and the ability to reshape ectoplasm in a variety of forms-much like Spidey's webbing. In their merged state, the soldier can take control of the priest's body to fight and move for him, but the priest is still the only one who can talk to others and hear the soldier. Hope that helps.
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