How do you make a Storm series work?

[Majinoaw]

How do you make a Storm series work in today’s comic world.
Regular posters will note that I have spoken on this extensively and have mentioned Brian Michael Bendis’ Spider-Woman as the ultimate template for success, when launching any new female superhero series. But I want to hear what you all think. Fans and those haters of Storm. What would it take for a Storm series to work; not asking the question if one would, but rather how do you get one to work and off the ground. Let’s discuss.

[Ryan W]

She'd have to be a solo (read: not married and with no other ties other than to a team) character with a story to tell.

Storm's story has progressed a lot over the years. She's one of those characters who has really grown into herself and become a mature, respected, strong woman in the Marvel Universe.

It's not that there aren't interesting stories to be told with Storm, but she's been around so long and has experienced so much that it's hard to launch her into a solo series like what was done with Spider-Woman and Ms. Marvel because Storm a)never fell out of the limelight as much as the other two and b)has never been in the place where she needed that "fresh start" approach to a character.

If you would've given her a solo series in the 70s or 80s at the height of her character progression and self-exploration, then maybe it would've worked.

What I want now is for her to take the next logical step for her character: Let's see Storm deal with pregnancy.

Let's see her go to other Marvel women for advice on parenting and being a super hero (Sue Storm, for example). Let's see her have a baby shower. Let's see her fight in combat and not want to be side-lined by a pregnancy despite an over-protective husband's wishes. Let's see her exploration into her family past to decide what to name her child. Let's see how her going through mood swings and morning sickness affects the weather. Let's see how it'd probably take mystical or telepathic intervention during the birthing process to keep Storm's powers in check while she gave birth.

There are still good Storm stories to tell, just not the kind of stories that carry a leading, successful solo book.

[4sake]

Call it Storm & the X-men/X-Treme X-Men. & don't let Claremont anywhere near it.

Get Yost or some one that know her character well (which means get Yost to write it lol because non of the other X-writers get her IMO)

Also I sure Chris Gage and or Jeff Parker can write a good Storm because they seem to really get the voics of what ever character they write no matter how big or small the character is or what their role in the story/book is.

Also get a big name artist on the book for the 1st few arcs.

Have her & her team mostly base in Wakanda/have travel the world/all around the Marvel u .
Have her squad/team rescue Kitty & go fix up Genosha.

Maybe make a Mutant Town in Wakanda once mutants get repowered.

Have her team go look for all the former x-men that the x-men forgot about over the years.

Have they go find the mutants have have know way to get to the x-men (like NyX & Muties) I'm sure that their are other mutants out there like
that in the marvel u.

Have her work with Sunfire and other mutant world leaders to help mutants more & to make the Purifers/Bastion/etc even more pissed.

To give more of a push in the marvel U have her join NA for a few storyarcs.

Also create a Liberators book. with Jade (I hate the name She-Hulk),Storm, Invisible Woman, Photon & Hellcat.. And few lesser know characters .

Maybe have the team mostly led by Jade (renamed She Hulk). Have Storm & Invisible Woman show up every other storylines/arc because they have would have lives outside the book.

[Filthy Mutie]

Write her in a story that doesn't involve: Black Panther, the Shadow King, Morlocks/Gene Nation, BDSM overtones, X-Treme X-Men plots... basically, Storm would need her version of Wolverine: Weapon-X with a writer who has what it takes to push forward, leave the dead weight behind, tell new stories, but respect continuity.

[Mia]

Can you explain why you think that that SW is the ultimate template of the successful launch of a female comic book character?

[Majinoaw]

Can you explain why you think that that SW is the ultimate template of the successful launch of a female comic book character?
I posted this previously:
I know I keep going back to this, but I do it because it works. I by no means am a Spider-Woman fan. She was ok in New Avengers and her role in Secret Invasion was interesting to say the least, but there’s no way that you could have gotten me to remotely care about Drew say 10 years ago. Now she has a web motion comic, she’s been the focal point of a major crossover… and she’s got two of Marvel’s hottest creators working on her title. A lot of firepower has been put behind this character, who up until what five or six years ago was in comic book limbo.

[Majinoaw]

Write her in a story that doesn't involve: Black Panther, the Shadow King, Morlocks/Gene Nation, BDSM overtones, X-Treme X-Men plots... basically, Storm would need her version of Wolverine: Weapon-X with a writer who has what it takes to push forward, leave the dead weight behind, tell new stories, but respect continuity.

Exactly. But that's not enough. Marvel has to get behind the character and promote her more. But once that promotion was in place, then you go and you do what FM is talking about. I would go a bit deeper and deal with classism and socioeconomic issues in the book as well - to make it something a bit different.

[ExodusCloak]

I posted this previously:
I know I keep going back to this, but I do it because it works. I by no means am a Spider-Woman fan. She was ok in New Avengers and her role in Secret Invasion was interesting to say the least, but there’s no way that you could have gotten me to remotely care about Drew say 10 years ago. Now she has a web motion comic, she’s been the focal point of a major crossover… and she’s got two of Marvel’s hottest creators working on her title. A lot of firepower has been put behind this character, who up until what five or six years ago was in comic book limbo.

That has more to with Bendis and the way he pushes his characters, once they change writers she'll fade into the background. Bendis will always use his faves hence the reason why Luke and Jessica are also around.

[Mia]

I posted this previously:
I know I keep going back to this, but I do it because it works. I by no means am a Spider-Woman fan. She was ok in New Avengers and her role in Secret Invasion was interesting to say the least, but there’s no way that you could have gotten me to remotely care about Drew say 10 years ago. Now she has a web motion comic, she’s been the focal point of a major crossover… and she’s got two of Marvel’s hottest creators working on her title. A lot of firepower has been put behind this character, who up until what five or six years ago was in comic book limbo.

I never saw your previous posts on the topic which is why I asked the question. But the answer to your question is in what you just posted. All the stories above are written by Brian Michael Bendis. One of the biggest writers in the industry. Spider-woman is actually one of his favourite characters. So I guess if Bendis wants to push her, then Bendis gets to push her. Further there has been a lot of anticipation for SW, many of us readers have been looking forward to a SW comic book for going on two years or more now.

And as much as I love Ororo. She and Jess (SW) are different. Whereas Storm (along with old Emma and Psyclocke) are glamrour girls.
Calling them perfect is a bit of an exageration. But they are borderline perfect. And it is more fun to read about a character like Jessica Drew who is a bit messed up and seriously traumatized. Storm is probably one of the most 'together' women in comic books.

And of course I don't have to mention that, She's Black. Which I am sure is a big factor.

Well that's my 2 cents!

[Goshin]

1st page, 1st issue:

Ororo opens up the door to her and Panthy's room, and finds T'Challa in bed with a white woman (Emma Frost?)

2nd and 3rd page: Big splash page with Panthy flying out a window, shattered glass and lighting everywhere

4th page, Ororo is at the offices of Matt Murdock drawqing up divorce papers

And our Storm is back!!!

[Mia]

Yeah daytime drama will real in the fans. Though I prefer that Panther bed Moonstone from Dark Avengers. Emma doesn't seem to play the field anymore.

[Filthy Mutie]

Does she set his car stuffed with his unstable molecules on fire, too? Geeze.

[XaviersMisprint]

She'd need a GREAT supporting cast for anyone to take her seriously right now. She's an incredible character, but for the past few years she has been treated like Queen Housewife Neutered Ororo who would rather sleep on the floor of Graymalkin Industries than fight the Sisterhood.

Her mini, Worlds Apart, was the best Storm story we've had in years. So that supporting cast would be a nice touch. Gentle, Black Panther... maybe Cyclops, Karma, Pixie, Beast, Emma. (but only if they played tiny tiny roles.)

I'd like Yukio, Callisto, Gambit, Gentle, T'Challa, Surge, Iceman, Karma, Shuri, The Reavers, Morlocks, and The Shadow king to appear frequently.

[Personamanx]

I will never see why so many people hate Storm, and Black Panther together......

[Goshin]

i dont hate teh fact they are together, i just hate the fact that she went from leader to the x-men to housewife.


come on, did that happen to jean, sue richards, mockingbird etc?

[Imraith Nimphais]

I do see your point about Storm being too "together" but I personally would much rather read about a strong woman who's *got it together* than a heroine who seems to be failing and falling apart because she cannot get it together. Ms.*cough cough* Marvel.
...back to topic...
You would definitely need a writer with enough clout in the *company* and who loves the character and wants to push the character to the forefront. And when last I checked...no such person existed.

[Majinoaw]

I would have the X-men in one arc, and that arc would deal with her relationship with team and how much she's grown apart from them or grown since she left. But as far as have sporadic appearances by the team... no. I wouldn't do that. I think you need to establish very early on that this is strictly a storm book and not a mutant book.

I would maybe put one classic villian in there... but keep the rest new and I would mention Black Panther but not have him actually be a strong part of the series.

[Goshin]

Yukio and Ororo together!?! Those would be great stories.

Callisto and Marrow should appear to, and a Shadow King confrontation guest starring Xavier

[Shadey10]

I will never see why so many people hate Storm, and Black Panther together......

Me neither. But they don't matter anyway and the majority (Which includes Joe Q, The BP and X-Men editor Alex, and The New BP writer Maberry) likes the marriage. :biggrin:

[Majinoaw]

I do see your point about Storm being too "together" but I personally would much rather read about a strong woman who's *got it together* than a heroine who seems to be failing and falling apart because she cannot get it together. Ms.*cough cough* Marvel.
...back to topic...
You would definitely need a writer with enough clout in the *company* and who loves the character and wants to push the character to the forefront. And when last I checked...no such person existed.

Yeah and this is my point about Spider-Woman. She's had years of build up under one writer who gets her voice. But she doesn't have a solid or vocal fanbase to my knowledge. Storm has that fanbase and has twice as much buildup. But she needs that big push to help get her to a place where we're not just seeing random team ups with the X-men and a series that crashes within a year or a couple of arcs.

[Slant]

The writer is the key to all of this, much more than anything else.

[Goshin]

After Claremont left in 91 Storm was one of the few characters writers didnt mess up or change her personality. She stayed the same soft spoken hardass up until she married Panther.

[Sanctus]

Few Suggestions

1. BP lapses into a coma again.
2. Anti-Mutant forces in Wakanda start a campaign (think birthers. townhall meeting screamers, etc.) against Storm
3. Shuri, who is trying to hold the nation together, asks Storm to leave for 'awhile' for the good of Wakanda. Shuri also halts the investigation into BP's attackers because of more pressing problem (no need to settle it all in an arc or three).
4. Storm goes into exile in Madripoor with two goals: (a) bring BP attackers to justice and (b) protect Wakanda interest when Shuri as Princess-Regent and/or the black panther cannot.
5. Give her a team of powered and non-powered operatives from around the Marvel Universe including Forge to add a little sexual tension.

The stories about a queen in Exile who is protecting her nation's interests, has a connection to the X-Men and who by her very status becomes involved in Madripoor's politics shoudl be able to draw in AIM, Hydra, HAMMER, Trask, even the Dark Avengers. (I woudl also love to see an arc where she is tutor to Skaar for six issues or so in Banner's absence).

[Washout]

Give her an iconic look that rarely changes. Give her a set supporting cast (Yukio, depowered Jubilee, Sage, Nezhno) but bring in her X-men friends every once in a while. Give her a direction, for example, her powers have been ruining the world's weather patterns, and she has to find a way to fix it. I would enjoy this a lot.

[Imraith Nimphais]

To be quite honest...I do not think her fan-base is all that huge...if you take the entire MU readership as a whole. Hell, even among us X/mutie-lovers, how many of us can honestly say Storm is our no. 1 favourite mutant?

[MuhollandDriver]

Maybe not ultimate number one perhaps...but boy is she high on my list. i feel she is with many others also.

X-Men solos often don't sell well unless it is Wolverine. Magik's did...but she has a strong cult following.

[Goshin]

Give her an iconic look that rarely changes. Give her a set supporting cast (Yukio, depowered Jubilee, Sage, Nezhno) but bring in her X-men friends every once in a while. Give her a direction, for example, her powers have been ruining the world's weather patterns, and she has to find a way to fix it. I would enjoy this a lot.


the last ten years she's mainly gone through variants of her original dave cockrum look with the black tiara and black cape with gold outline. no problem there....:biggrin:



though i would like to see her turn punk again, lose her powers, and kick the shit outta people again even if for a couple issues.

[Washout]

I think any character can have a semi-successful solo run if done right. Most X-solo's sell well at first, but go down when the stories are awful.

[Goshin]

To be quite honest...I do not think her fan-base is all that huge...if you take the entire MU readership as a whole. Hell, even among us X/mutie-lovers, how many of us can honestly say Storm is our no. 1 favourite mutant?

Storm is my all-time favorite female superhero, with Rogue coming in a strong firm second

[Mia]

To be quite honest...I do not think her fan-base is all that huge...if you take the entire MU readership as a whole. Hell, even among us X/mutie-lovers, how many of us can honestly say Storm is our no. 1 favourite mutant?

I like Storm. I used to count her among my top five favourite heroines. Then I stopped collecting X-Men and sort of fell out of love with her. I loved the 'Worlds Apart' mini by Chris Yost. It was a blessing that I even read it (my dealer order the HC for me, otherwise I would not have touched it). But my understanding is that it did not sell that well to begin with. Storm is an awesome character. She's smart and brave without being pushy and overbearing. I would support a Storm mini depending on the writer and the context.

[Umbra]

Call it Storm & the X-men/X-Treme X-Men. & don't let Claremont anywhere near it.

Get Yost or some one that know her character well (which means get Yost to write it lol because non of the other X-writers get her IMO)

Also I sure Chris Gage and or Jeff Parker can write a good Storm because they seem to really get the voics of what ever character they write no matter how big or small the character is or what their role in the story/book is.

Also get a big name artist on the book for the 1st few arcs.

Have her & her team mostly base in Wakanda/have travel the world/all around the Marvel u .
Have her squad/team rescue Kitty & go fix up Genosha.

Maybe make a Mutant Town in Wakanda once mutants get repowered.

Have her team go look for all the former x-men that the x-men forgot about over the years.

Have they go find the mutants have have know way to get to the x-men (like NyX & Muties) I'm sure that their are other mutants out there like
that in the marvel u.

Have her work with Sunfire and other mutant world leaders to help mutants more & to make the Purifers/Bastion/etc even more pissed.

To give more of a push in the marvel U have her join NA for a few storyarcs.

Also create a Liberators book. with Jade (I hate the name She-Hulk),Storm, Invisible Woman, Photon & Hellcat.. And few lesser know characters .

Maybe have the team mostly led by Jade (renamed She Hulk). Have Storm & Invisible Woman show up every other storylines/arc because they have would have lives outside the book.

co-sign....

[Umbra]

I will never see why so many people hate Storm, and Black Panther together......

I do, but I will not mention it here.:eek:

[Slant]

Most X-solo's sell well at first, but go down when the stories are awful.

I don't think any of them sold well last time around. Wolverine, and to a much lesser extent Cable, seem to be the only ones who could do it.

The X-Men, more than most other teams, are so linked in the team aspect that the solo stuff doesn't work all to well. The solo's end up as just d-level X-Men stories since the X-Men and Mutants are all tied together.

[Imraith Nimphais]

I think that's just within our own lil Mutant world, Mully. I think it is certainly different with the rest of the Marvel reader ship...I know of men and women who have/will read everything except an X-book...even the Wolverine solos...They just tolerate him as part of the NA. If one were to construct a pie chart showing the percentage of MU readers for each of the mainstream titles the majority would fall under the other titles and not the x-books...We would be like the *198* of the Comic Book Readers...the ones that everyone else fears and hates.

[Swashbuckler]

A new Storm thread, how amazing! The bes tthing I've read from this so far is having Storm be a Queen in Exile going to Madripoor. That's a cool concept in my opinion. I like that she'd be kicked out of Wakanda and seperated from her husband. Shuri wouldn't exactly know if she trusts Storm or not. T'Challa is bed ridden.

The concept of her fighting to get back to BP's side could be interesting, but the mystery would involve someone on the inside pushing her further away. I love the concept of having Jubilee de-powered and helping her, along with Yukio. Viper could be a cool enemy for Storm as well. I agree that we need to move past the Shadow King and the X-Men, let Storm be stuck with no one to help her except a select few. This is the Storm I want to read.

[Imraith Nimphais]

Stormverine?...I think not.

[Majinoaw]

A new Storm thread, how amazing! The bes tthing I've read from this so far is having Storm be a Queen in Exile going to Madripoor. That's a cool concept in my opinion. I like that she'd be kicked out of Wakanda and seperated from her husband. Shuri wouldn't exactly know if she trusts Storm or not. T'Challa is bed ridden.

The concept of her fighting to get back to BP's side could be interesting, but the mystery would involve someone on the inside pushing her further away. I love the concept of having Jubilee de-powered and helping her, along with Yukio. Viper could be a cool enemy for Storm as well. I agree that we need to move past the Shadow King and the X-Men, let Storm be stuck with no one to help her except a select few. This is the Storm I want to read.

Same here. I'm not interested in reading about her with the X-Men in the background. I would move her as far away from that as possible, but I would do an arc that addressed the situation. I would broaden Storm's horizon's and make her a more prominent player in the Marvel Universe. Not just by saying it but by deed.

[RolandJP]

1st page, 1st issue:

Ororo opens up the door to her and Panthy's room, and finds T'Challa in bed with a white woman (Emma Frost?)

2nd and 3rd page: Big splash page with Panthy flying out a window, shattered glass and lighting everywhere

4th page, Ororo is at the offices of Matt Murdock drawqing up divorce papers

And our Storm is back!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK9SPYBd-dU :tongue:

[Majinoaw]

Thanks guys with a special thanks to Optic Rage who asked me to make a new thread talking about this concept. I hope that we can have more discussions like this and maybe get some of the creators who post here to chime in on some of these topics.

I like Ororo..mostly from when Claremont was penning her. That was the voice that I really loved the most. Since then it has really been hit or miss - and no consitency. I hope that we do eventually get a Storm series, but one that is not rushed and one that can truly attract some high profile creators, so that we can get the series that we deserve and that we clamor for. Thanks to all of you for contributing to my first thread... good night all... see ya tommorrow!!!

[NewMutant]

Yeah... Storm basically has had the same costume for 10 years. With minor variations, other than SB mess.

And shes iconic looking already anything. Black with white hair helps that lol.

If she were to stay with BP then that book should be renamed with her in the title.

(I also thought she should have taken all the Young X-Men to Wakanda with her after MC and taught them there.)

For a Storm solo series I think it would be great if BP died or they split and it was her finding her place in the world again. Shes broken ties with the X-Men and now her husband is gone. A supporting cast is key as well. Yuiko would be a great person to be a supporting player.

[alf_to_the_rescue]

Give her a knife and a lock pick and a small rag tag of xmen including Maggott, Marrow and Cecilia Reyes. Maybe add in Wolverine, Rogue and Cannonball and have them based at a stripped out mansion. Back to Basics. Job done.

[NewMutant]

On a side note... I really miss Storm and Wolverines friendship from back in the day.

[Home made ectoplasm]

hey, majinoaw

would someone please convey my congratulations to majinoaw on his first thread being a rousing success.

[Slant]

Give her a knife and a lock pick and a small rag tag of xmen including Maggott, Marrow and Cecilia Reyes. Maybe add in Wolverine, Rogue and Cannonball and have them based at a stripped out mansion. Back to Basics. Job done.

Thats not a Storm ongoing. Wouldn't really work either.

[alf_to_the_rescue]

Thats not a Storm ongoing. Wouldn't really work either.

She would be the star. And it did work.

[Slant]

I'll go out on a limb and say things were slightly different back then. If I had a list of things to help Storm move up and get an ongoing, in the present time, not the 90's, Maggot, and Marrow would be far, far, far down the list.

I suppose we should get Liefield on art. It worked before, didn't it?

[alf_to_the_rescue]

Marrow could be the Lois Lane to her Superman.

[Slant]

Point taken.

[BBeeryan]

A new Storm thread, how amazing! The bes tthing I've read from this so far is having Storm be a Queen in Exile going to Madripoor. That's a cool concept in my opinion. I like that she'd be kicked out of Wakanda and seperated from her husband. Shuri wouldn't exactly know if she trusts Storm or not. T'Challa is bed ridden.

The concept of her fighting to get back to BP's side could be interesting, but the mystery would involve someone on the inside pushing her further away. I love the concept of having Jubilee de-powered and helping her, along with Yukio. Viper could be a cool enemy for Storm as well. I agree that we need to move past the Shadow King and the X-Men, let Storm be stuck with no one to help her except a select few. This is the Storm I want to read.

Something's wrong with the world because I actually agree with you. Say something I disagree with so I can dislike you again.

[Shadey10]

Yeah... Storm basically has had the same costume for 10 years. With minor variations, other than SB mess.

And shes iconic looking already anything. Black with white hair helps that lol.

If she were to stay with BP then that book should be renamed with her in the title.

(I also thought she should have taken all the Young X-Men to Wakanda with her after MC and taught them there.)

For a Storm solo series I think it would be great if BP died or they split and it was her finding her place in the world again. Shes broken ties with the X-Men and now her husband is gone. A supporting cast is key as well. Yuiko would be a great person to be a supporting player.

No way in hell.

[Umbra]

Something's wrong with the world because I actually agree with you. Say something I disagree with so I can dislike you again.

Lol, I know right.

Anyhow, all she needs is Yost or Jason Aaron with a top artist. That's it.

Pretty much everything 4sake said, give her a team that is her own...allow her to pave her own path separate from Scott.

Allow her to rebuild geniosha with her resources as a queen, with the world opposing it. Make a mutant town in Wakanda, have her join the NA…and she would be set. Focus on the fact that she is married and in love with a powerful human king…with the back drop of racism (against mutants) taking center stage…meaning mutant haters would hate her guts…pro mutants would look to them as a example of what should and could be. Actually have her evolve power wise… why isn’t Storm an Omega mutant yet? Allow her to bear the next born mutant child after M-day (besides hope).

Currently, J. Maberry says he has some big plans for her…starting with issue 10, and the entire next arc. I’m sure, Storm is a better fighter now also…I want to see her training with T’challa on the new style he is currently creating from scratch.

[Slant]

Anyhow, all she needs is Yost or Jason Aaron with a top artist. That's it.



She had Yost and a decent enough artist on her mini, and it didn't do too well. It certainly isn't that easy, or it would've been done with her and other popular X-men characters a while ago.

[NewMutant]

No way in hell.

lol. And your reasoning...?

[AcesX1X]

since when is sunfire a "mutant world leader?"

anyway, i would definitely support another storm solo because it would give her a chance to interact with the MU outside of x-men and away from black panther. maybe even another ben grimm appearance. and any feature where storm gets picked up by her weave is a success in my book.

[4sake]

since when is sunfire a "mutant world leader?"




Usually is in different U than the 616. So could become in the 616. That us if writers would stop making him be random villains lackey just because he doesn't agree with the X-men.

[LordAllMighty]

I read a lot of great ideas here....nice. There a lot of Storm's history that coudl be made into mini (talking about before she came to America for the X-Men)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK9SPYBd-dU :tongue:

Gotta love a man/woman who throws some Jazmine Sullivan into a coversation.:biggrin:

Make me wanna go hear "In love with another Man"

[FeminineMystique]

Three things spring to mind
Get her away from Black Panther.
Have her become a major player in the X-World again
Get Yukio and Callisto as supporting characters for hot tub tentacle fun! ;)

[LordAllMighty]

Three things spring to mind
Get her away from Black Panther.
Have her become a major player in the X-World again
Get Yukio and Callisto as supporting characters for hot tub tentacle fun! ;)

You know it's funny...I can remember when people where complaining about Storm always being in the X-Men.

[Filthy Mutie]

You know it's funny...I can remember when people where complaining about Storm always being in the X-Men.

I still don't want her as a full-time team member. That said, I'm tired of all the "core" X-Men, except Wolverine in X-Force and Cyclops when he's getting beat-up by Wolverine due to the happenings in X-Force.

[AcesX1X]

You know it's funny...I can remember when people where complaining about Storm always being in the X-Men.

were those people her fans? please apply context for this post.

[Monty_Cristo]

How do you make a Storm series work in today’s comic world.
Regular posters will note that I have spoken on this extensively and have mentioned Brian Michael Bendis’ Spider-Woman as the ultimate template for success, when launching any new female superhero series. But I want to hear what you all think. Fans and those haters of Storm. What would it take for a Storm series to work; not asking the question if one would, but rather how do you get one to work and off the ground. Let’s discuss.

all you really need is to face her off against easily identifiable villains (to make the newbies more palatable) and play up her fighting ability. what kills a series quicker than anything is having it be too isolated from the rest of the marvel universe. and an engaging supporting cast wouldn't hurt neither.

so let's get to compiling a decent rogues gallery for Ororo:

Shadow King
The Hellfire Club (South African-based or maybe even the London Branch/where's Shinobi hiding?)
Malice (former dora milaje version)
Moses Magnum
Donald Pierce & new Reavers
Thunderbolts
Man-Eater
Impala & Batroc (leading a group of gun runners)
African vesion of the Marauders (to show that Sinister's machinations branch out much further)

[FeminineMystique]

You know it's funny...I can remember when people where complaining about Storm always being in the X-Men.

The same could be said about a lot of characters though. There's so many and the X-fandom is "Divided" let's say to be tactful:tongue:

[AcesX1X]

storm would have a great initial guest-cast:

callisto
yukio
ben grimm, the thing
nehzno
wolverine
sage.

[LordAllMighty]

were those people her fans? please apply context for this post.

LOL, next time I will.:wink:

The same could be said about a lot of characters though. There's so many and the X-fandom is "Divided" let's say to be tactful:tongue:

True...

[Shadey10]

lol. And your reasoning...?

Killing BP, divorcing the two= Me dropping Marvel all together.

[NewMutant]

Killing BP, divorcing the two= Me dropping Marvel all together.

What if she made a magical deal with the devil?

Or was a skrull?

lol

[Valeria Kementari]

I would have her trying to "fix" the situation of Africa, trying to bring rain and prosperity to the desert, like she did in HOM, but then of course that would mean she will be taking away from soemwhere else (as explained in the Psi-War) so she would try to solve that and find a balance, in the meantime she will realize the only way for her to actually save the world and bring peace and prosperity to everyone would be to take over the planet, so she'd be kinda like a villain in her own book, it would be weird, kinda like she's kinda crazy and wants to take over everything but you believe it's ok because you see things from her perspective and because there truly is no other way. She would of course be confronted by the many superheroes of the world and eventually she will win, only to realize she has to let go of the power to save the planet, or something like that, kinda like the rise and fall of the Storm empire :D

[MuhollandDriver]

Right now, what i'd love to see is Storm back to her more urban roots. Her mohawk phase was the beginning of some wonderful things.

i could see her leading the New Avengers. Of course, it would have to happen organically...not just thrown in there like the marriage.

[Roach5000]

I would have Storm discover X-force and confront Scott over his assassin squad. This isnt what she left Africa for. The Xmen were about hope not about death. She leaves the team and spends time figuring out what she wants to do with her mutant abilities and skill sets.

[RolandJP]

Easily fixed.


X-men Origins: Storm

Which would imply earlier adventures of the Goddess. In the vein of X-men Legacy which also has a sliding time frame.

[Monty_Cristo]

Right now, what i'd love to see is Storm back to her more urban roots.

you want someone to rip her weave out? what is this, Real Housewives of Atlanta?!

[Novaya Havoc]

Short answer: you can't.

While I love Storm, she's always always always been defined by the men in her life. During the Claremont years when Storm had her own side-story powerless solo adventures, it was more effective than Sominex in getting people to fall asleep.

I could never see a Storm solo working.

[Deus ex Chris]

Always defined by the men in her life? I don't think so. Now? Yes. Always? No.

[q.u.e.e.n.]

Easily fixed.


X-men Origins: Storm

Which would imply earlier adventures of the Goddess. In the vein of X-men Legacy which also has a sliding time frame.

There's nothing wrong with her origins. I wouldn't want to see "early adventures" of Storm. Just yank her from all Black Panther-related stories and put her back in the X-Men as a core character again. It's much simpler then trying to re-write her origins and add in stuff that will ultimately mess up some later events.

[Wind-Breaker]

Have Christopher Priest or Chris Yost to write her and an good artist that isn't late. Thats all you'd need for a quality Storm ongoing.

[AcesX1X]

I would have Storm discover X-force and confront Scott over his assassin squad. This isnt what she left Africa for. The Xmen were about hope not about death. She leaves the team and spends time figuring out what she wants to do with her mutant abilities and skill sets.

why in the world would she do that? storm has no problems with killing. absolutely none.

sage even schooled lifeguard on that very subject in x-treme x-men once.

[Novaya Havoc]

Always defined by the men in her life? I don't think so. Now? Yes. Always? No.

Yes, always.

Shadow King.

Random Africans.

Prof X.

Cyclops.

And the list continues. She's a true soldier of the X-Christ. She flirts with true power, then relinquishes it at the first sign of a penis. That's quintessentially Storm.

I love the gal, but she needs to start committing some vasectomies and earn her rightful place.

[Deus ex Chris]

Yes, always.

Shadow King.

Random Africans.

Prof X.

Cyclops.

And the list continues. She's a true soldier of the X-Christ. She flirts with true power, then relinquishes it at the first sign of a penis. That's quintessentially Storm.

I love the gal, but she needs to start committing some vasectomies and earn her rightful place.
If you mean in terms of her role within whichever books she happens to be in, then yeah, I agree--unfortunately. However, in terms of character, I'd have to disagree.

[Roach5000]

why in the world would she do that? storm has no problems with killing. absolutely none.

sage even schooled lifeguard on that very subject in x-treme x-men once.

killing when in self defense yes...murder no

[End of Time]

How do you make a Storm series work in today’s comic world.


a divorce.

[LastManStanding]

Series ideas:

1. Show her struggles to not fall into the darker side of her God like powers.

2. Create a character like Deluge as a foil and adversary.

3. Explore her ancestry

4. Interact with her father's side of the family

5. Let her revisit the site where her parents died

6. Put her in situations where she has to fight with her fists more. (80's style)

7. The villians should be complex as well as their schemes. Storm is a thinker so that will be brought out.

8. Have her confront Bishop (if he returns) especially about shooting Xavier. The Professor had vouched for Bishop when she was not too sure about him.

9. Have her work with scientists dealing with climate change

10. Let her beat the s**** out of a fully powered Apocalypse once and for all.

More to come.

[RolandJP]

There's nothing wrong with her origins. I wouldn't want to see "early adventures" of Storm. Just yank her from all Black Panther-related stories and put her back in the X-Men as a core character again. It's much simpler then trying to re-write her origins and add in stuff that will ultimately mess up some later events.

Its a catch 22 isnt it?

If Storm weren't so underused during the Emma Frost ascendance. She would never have been allowed to be used in the Panther books. So actually it is X-fans fault.

Do I think the marriage will last forever? In a Marvel book...yeahhhhhhh right.

That being said should the marriage end, I do believe that the novelty of her return would wear off and she will be relegated to also-ran behind Scottemma, and Rogue once again.

[Slant]

Have Christopher Priest or Chris Yost to write her and an good artist that isn't late. Thats all you'd need for a quality Storm ongoing.

Really? It isn't that simple.

[Jmacq1]

Really? It isn't that simple.

Especially since quality is actually irrelevant. Sustainability is more important. It could be the best story and best art in the world but if people don't buy it it won't last past 12 issues, tops.

Of course we would want a Storm ongoing to be high-quality, but quality is subjective. No matter what they do, some people will vehemently hate it.

[Shadey10]

Anyone's idea that suggests a divorce is automatically crap.

[Valeria Kementari]

Anyone's idea that suggests a divorce is automatically crap.

sure, divorce is not a good a idea, she just needs to become a widow :D

[Deus ex Chris]

Anyone's idea that suggests a divorce is automatically crap.

Why? Because you don't like it? Grow up.

Anyway, here's my solution: Neil Gaiman and Olivier Coipel

I know it's unrealistic, but there you go. Greg Pak would be a good choice too.

[AcesX1X]

killing when in self defense yes...murder no

i didn't see storm's feathers that ruffled when beast stood right beside her and ordered the eradication of a species (at least) ten miles out in every direction via cellphone.

[RolandJP]

Sigh* I can see it now. Storm will be called widow or damaged goods no matter which way creators try to write her.

If she stays married, some will lament that decision and others will be happy.

If shes single again, the same people who will rejoice about her being single again will joke and diss Storm as a failed wife and she will receive the usual treatment. Tranny jokes and the like.

I think i prefer married jokes and her watching tv comments to her being called a tranny and the character being fourth to Scott, Emma, and Rogue. If the later is fixed I would probably change my mind.

[AcesX1X]

I think i prefer married jokes and her watching tv comments to her being called a tranny and the character being fourth to Scott, Emma, and Rogue. If the later is fixed I would probably change my mind.

all of that still applies, excelsior.

[Goshin]

Funny how she ended up marrying T'Challa, considering she has almost always dated out of her race.

Hell, i dont remember the last time i boned a black chick ive always been boning white and mexican chicks lol

Does that mean I'll marry the queen of nigeria and get my nuts chopped off...? :eek:

[Deus ex Chris]

The only way to end the drag/tranny jokes would be to ignore Cockrum's visual conceptualization of the character, which was completely drag queen fabulous. If that happened, I would be sad.

[Goshin]

yo chris, why does the x-men spoof from adult chicken come to mind right now....?

[Umbra]

I would rather not. Some 'Fans' are hell bent on destroying the character, and sending her backward.

Storm is not going to over shadow Scott, Emma, Wolverine or Rogue in the X-books.

That is a fact.

A divorce would actually hurt the character in my opinion and send her backwards, especially with some of the possible up coming plans for her… and the fact that its potential has not been scratched yet... has storm ever been *featured* in a novel? Well if she gets a divorce she never will, and has storm ever been a co-star (non-team) on a cartoon? No, but if she gets a divorce she never will. I would like to see her in those things. No one is giving her those, but the hated Black Panther writers (and the hated black king) who seem to like her as much as anyone (other then C.C).

How about next time she has a mini, you folk stop making excuses and actually support her book? She would have had her own title if X-fans would have supported. That came straight from C.Yost. People did not support, and that mini to me was his best work. It was awesome. It was top notch…no support? It was arguably her best mini.

Fact is Storm has never been supported in ANY of her mini’s!!! Even BEFORE the marriage so we can stop using that excuse. It’s a moronic line of thought, and the facts do not support it at all. I really hate dumb excuses. Now on to what really matters, and not b.s nonsense.

Professor Xavier’s and the X-men’s main objective was to mediate the co-existence of mutants and humans, to promote the peaceful affirmation of mutant rights and to protect society from antagonistic mutants and against anti-mutant forces. Xavier’s Dream was the peaceful co-existence of Humans and Mutants; a world where Mutants are accepted as equals, and not judged because they are mutants; a world where Humans and Mutants both live together and share the planet earth as one family.

Their marriage is the epitome of what Xavier’s dream *is*; the very personification of his ideas manifested. The embodiment of what the X-men are about! Both should be hated by anti-mutant forces, and a symbol of inspiration to Humans and Mutant who seek to live with each other in harmony. T’challa would be the example of how humans should put aside bigotry, hate and racism. He is a very powerful human warrior king, and yet he married a mutant activist and X-men leader. She is the example to the world that mutants have so much more in common with humans then not, very powerful and regal, she pretty much kills all anti mutant sterotypes that they use. They are pretty much hated by those who never want to see this ‘dream’ occur.

They are Xavier’s dream. (Yet the only thing being said is get a divorce and flirt around with other mutants. That is dumb. )

This is something that I always hoped is that would be explored in the X-men or in Black Panther. Maberry (Black Panther writer) says he will explore it.

But, if C. Yost was allowed to do the same, with a great artist and ‘fans’ would support…then yeah, she would have her own book. It would be a critically acclaimed book...but will you support.

In fact, Storms’ title could be a nexus of the MU if she had her own title. A book that stars her with the back drop of the entire marvel universe and its goings ons… the X-world, Avengers-verse(as member of the NA), FF-verse(as a reserve member of FF), Black Panther-verse (as Queen of Wakanda) and Hulk-verse (as a member of the Lady Liberators).

One thing that would make her book work…is if she took the opposing view different then Scott. Meaning, you would have Scott’s view being played out in Uncanny X-force and Legacy and Storm’s would play out in her solo, Astonishing (her team book) and Black Panther. (mind you, right now she is following Scott (and Emma even though they are bumping heads).

This sort of thing is pushing her to a new level, and not sending her backwards.

Small recap
1. Her solo title would be the nexus of the MU, featuring it as its backdrop.

2. A Wakandan based team and a Wakandan based X-academe/school, with all the super-science that comes with it.

3. Flexing her muscles as Queen and global leader…She personally annexes and rebuilds Genosha, with the entire anti-mutant community in outrage, and the global community weary. Scott would oppose this also.

4. A Mutant Town in Wakanda

5. Have her join the New Avengers (along with T’challa) something a lot of Black Panther fans want.

6. Liberators book, where she is a team member and the Liberators would be common guest stars in her book (the Hulkverse)

7. Have an X-schism where she is leader of the opposing view. That would put her on center stage nearly equal to Scott and Emma.

8. Why isn’t Storm an Omega mutant yet? Why is this even a question? Also watch her powers evolve a bit, more feats.

9. Allow her to have the next mutant child after M-day (Twins, one male and one female). Uatu the Watcher says they (Ororo and T’challa Children) have a very important destiny.

Then also have...
The Novel by Maberry
The Black Panther cartoon; where she will be a central figure and co-star after the first arc.

These are just a few things that would make her book pretty unique. She would have fans from each part of the MU buying her book, because it seems that she will not get the support of only X-fans.

[AcesX1X]

hey, umbra, i did buy yost's storm mini and the minis before that.

but, if she got an ongoing and was still hooked up with black panther, i would not support it.

[Azure]

I would like Storm to electrocute God and become the new God.

[Umbra]

hey, umbra, i did buy yost's storm mini and the minis before that.

but, if she got an ongoing and was still hooked up with black panther, i would not support it.

Some fan. :rolleyes:

Again, she has had mini's before...because she was with BP, and guess what? NO ONE SUPPORTED.

[4sake]

I would rather not. Some 'Fans' are hell bent on destroying the character, and sending her backward.

Storm is not going to over shadow Scott, Emma, Wolverine or Rogue in the X-books.

That is a fact.

A divorce would actually hurt the character in my opinion and send her backwards, especially with some of the possible up coming plans for her… and the fact that its potential has not been scratched yet... has storm ever been *featured* in a novel? Well if she gets a divorce she never will, and has storm ever been a co-star (non-team) on a cartoon? No, but if she gets a divorce she never will. I would like to see her in those things. No one is giving her those, but the hated Black Panther writers (and the hated black king) who seem to like her as much as anyone (other then C.C).

How about next time she has a mini, you folk stop making excuses and actually support her book? She would have had her own title if X-fans would have supported. That came straight from C.Yost. People did not support, and that mini to me was his best work. It was awesome. It was top notch…no support? It was arguably her best mini.

Fact is Storm has never been supported in ANY of her mini’s!!! Even BEFORE the marriage so we can stop using that excuse. It’s a moronic line of thought, and the facts do not support it at all. I really hate dumb excuses. Now on to what really matters, and not b.s nonsense.

Professor Xavier’s and the X-men’s main objective was to mediate the co-existence of mutants and humans, to promote the peaceful affirmation of mutant rights and to protect society from antagonistic mutants and against anti-mutant forces. Xavier’s Dream was the peaceful co-existence of Humans and Mutants; a world where Mutants are accepted as equals, and not judged because they are mutants; a world where Humans and Mutants both live together and share the planet earth as one family.

Their marriage is the epitome of what Xavier’s dream *is*; the very personification of his ideas manifested. The embodiment of what the X-men are about! Both should be hated by anti-mutant forces, and a symbol of inspiration to Humans and Mutant who seek to live with each other in harmony. T’challa would be the example of how humans should put aside bigotry, hate and racism. He is a very powerful human warrior king, and yet he married a mutant activist and X-men leader. She is the example to the world that mutants have so much more in common with humans then not, very powerful and regal, she pretty much kills all anti mutant sterotypes that they use. They are pretty much hated by those who never want to see this ‘dream’ occur.

They are Xavier’s dream. (Yet the only thing being said is get a divorce and flirt around with other mutants. That is dumb. )

This is something that I always hoped is that would be explored in the X-men or in Black Panther. Maberry (Black Panther writer) says he will explore it.

But, if C. Yost was allowed to do the same, with a great artist and ‘fans’ would support…then yeah, she would have her own book. It would be a critically acclaimed book...but will you support.

In fact, Storms’ title could be a nexus of the MU if she had her own title. A book that stars her with the back drop of the entire marvel universe and its goings ons… the X-world, Avengers-verse(as member of the NA), FF-verse(as a reserve member of FF), Black Panther-verse (as Queen of Wakanda) and Hulk-verse (as a member of the Lady Liberators).

One thing that would make her book work…is if she took the opposing view different then Scott. Meaning, you would have Scott’s view being played out in Uncanny X-force and Legacy and Storm’s would play out in her solo, Astonishing (her team book) and Black Panther. (mind you, right now she is following Scott (and Emma even though they are bumping heads).

This sort of thing is pushing her to a new level, and not sending her backwards.

Small recap
1. Her solo title would be the nexus of the MU, featuring it as its backdrop.

2. A Wakandan based team and a Wakandan based X-academe/school, with all the super-science that comes with it.

3. Flexing her muscles as Queen and global leader…She personally annexes and rebuilds Genosha, with the entire anti-mutant community in outrage, and the global community weary. Scott would oppose this also.

4. A Mutant Town in Wakanda

5. Have her join the New Avengers (along with T’challa) something a lot of Black Panther fans want.

6. Liberators book, where she is a team member and the Liberators would be common guest stars in her book (the Hulkverse)

7. Have an X-schism where she is leader of the opposing view. That would put her on center stage nearly equal to Scott and Emma.

8. Why isn’t Storm an Omega mutant yet? Why is this even a question? Also watch her powers evolve a bit, more feats.

9. Allow her to have the next mutant child after M-day (Twins, one male and one female). Uatu the Watcher says they (Ororo and T’challa Children) have a very important destiny.

Then also have...
The Novel by Maberry
The Black Panther cartoon; where she will be a central figure and co-star after the first arc.

These are just a few things that would make her book pretty unique. She would have fans from each part of the MU buying her book, because it seems that she will not get the support of only X-fans.

Cp-signed... :cool:

[shades of eternity]

there are a few words that come to mind with storm.
goddess
workaholic
vulcan like

I see her as a woman who works her tuckus off for a cause, but hates appear like she does so, so she always tries to be grace under pressure. This is counterbalenced need to keep her emotions in check, in order to avoid having them overwhelm the world should be a continual theme.

There are several ways this can be turned into a focus piece.

x-men like: If I went this way I would make her the x-leader that really can rival Cyclops. I would put Colossus, Kitty pride, Jubilee, Rogue, Maggott and Cecilia Reyes. This is one of the few times where wolvie is more then welcomed as they have a ton of history to draw on.

Plus the skeletons in her closet of calypso and marrow add a wound that provides a ton of storytelling potential.

African mythos: With her background and current status, there is a real opportunity to build up africa.

Black panther and Storm does have a ton of storytelling potential, but black panther needs to realize that storm is a very strong smart woman who if he pisses off enough, could doom his kingdom of wakanda.

Black Panther needs to be humbled a bit cause I think he's taking his goddess for granted.

you could mix a ton of african myths (I did some research a while back and a few supernatural threats would be a great addition), a few black panther minions and maybe even somebody who could act as a real foil for storm. Apocalypse and shadow king work more for a team due to their power level, so we need somebody who really pushes her buttons and can compete with her on a powerset level.

A blend: I would mix the above concepts together and make it a "falling down" piece. Storm has to save her close friend (kitty pride), deal with affairs of state, fight super villians that threaten her friends, her people, wakanda, africa and/or the world, act as queen bee for her friends and people and still has to fit time in to ensure that it rains so her people don't starve.

I think you could really have it be a 10 part run that ends with her losing it, thus causing her to be the big bad as her friends calm her down.

then we can do a redemption story arc as she learns there's only so much she can do again and remasters her powers and maybe even learns a couple of new nasty tricks along the way. She could be almost considered a myth if they did it right, as people talk about her and her actions, both good and bad.

More then just about any character, she has the potential to be the flagship female character due to her unique powerset, history and personality. More importantly, she doesn't suffer from she<insert name of male character here> syndrome.

it's also why halle berry should never have been storm <grumble>.

[Umbra]

there are a few words that come to mind with storm.
goddess
workaholic
vulcan like

I see her as a woman who works her tuckus off for a cause, but hates appear like she does so, so she always tries to be grace under pressure. This is counterbalenced need to keep her emotions in check, in order to avoid having them overwhelm the world should be a continual theme.

There are several ways this can be turned into a focus piece.

x-men like: If I went this way I would make her the x-leader that really can rival Cyclops. I would put Colossus, Kitty pride, Jubilee, Rogue, Maggott and Cecilia Reyes. This is one of the few times where wolvie is more then welcomed as they have a ton of history to draw on.

Plus the skeletons in her closet of calypso and marrow add a wound that provides a ton of storytelling potential.

African mythos: With her background and current status, there is a real opportunity to build up africa.

Black panther and Storm does have a ton of storytelling potential, but black panther needs to realize that storm is a very strong smart woman who if he pisses off enough, could doom his kingdom of wakanda.

Black Panther needs to be humbled a bit cause I think he's taking his goddess for granted.

you could mix a ton of african myths (I did some research a while back and a few supernatural threats would be a great addition), a few black panther minions and maybe even somebody who could act as a real foil for storm. Apocalypse and shadow king work more for a team due to their power level, so we need somebody who really pushes her buttons and can compete with her on a powerset level.

A blend: I would mix the above concepts together and make it a "falling down" piece. Storm has to save her close friend (kitty pride), deal with affairs of state, fight super villians that threaten her friends, her people, wakanda, africa and/or the world, act as queen bee for her friends and people and still has to fit time in to ensure that it rains so her people don't starve.

I think you could really have it be a 10 part run that ends with her losing it, thus causing her to be the big bad as her friends calm her down.

then we can do a redemption story arc as she learns there's only so much she can do again and remasters her powers and maybe even learns a couple of new nasty tricks along the way. She could be almost considered a myth if they did it right, as people talk about her and her actions, both good and bad.

More then just about any character, she has the potential to be the flagship female character due to her unique powerset, history and personality. More importantly, she doesn't suffer from she<insert name of male character here> syndrome.

it's also why halle berry should never have been storm <grumble>.

I agree with your post. Maberry (the New and wonderful Black Panther writer) says he will be focusing on her being a goddess during the next arc, where she is going to be at the forefront.

What I disagree is with the BP taking her for granted. She is considered the most powerful weapon they have. This is said in the Black Panther book, during the first arc ("the Deadliest species").

He also considers her his equal, regardless of what folks who don't read the book actually say. They are like any couple featuring two Alpha types. I know, because I am in one. My fiancé is a Alpha female, who is very much like Storm in my opinion, and sometimes we knock heads...but I don't take her for granted. I still my own man (and I am a Alpha male), and some times I need to do things on my own...just like she also needs too...but together we are a powerful team... She is smarter then I am, but I am smart too:biggrin: It's the same for BP...he *knows* that she is incredibly powerful...but he is also powerful. :wink:

I agree, about saving Kittie, it should happen. I can also see Jean (if she returns) joining Storm. Imagine what Scott would think...and then I would have Wolverine finally make his move for Jean...now you put that in a book.

[AcesX1X]

Some fan. :rolleyes:

Again, she has had mini's before...because she was with BP, and guess what? NO ONE SUPPORTED.

sorry, not everyone cares for that false relationship marvel has forced upon storm. why should a storm fan who does not care for that (or care for black panther) support that sort of thing? that's completely idiotic. i would rather her not be given a series at all than be given the series as the wife of a man she's hardly ever interacted with (if at all) before 2005.

[Umbra]

sorry, not everyone cares for that false relationship marvel has forced upon storm. why should a storm fan who does not care for that (or care for black panther) support that sort of thing? that's completely idiotic. i would rather her not be given a series at all than be given the series as the wife of a man she's hardly ever interacted with (if at all) before 2005.

Some Storm fan. Your opinion is your own. Too bad the folks that matter down agree. :eek:

To a Storm fan such as myself, it really does not matter. I just want to see her get props either way. I don't make silly excuses either, and folks that hardly interact get married all the time. It happens...but they did interact before 2005.

[AcesX1X]

Some Storm fan. Your opinion is your own. Too bad the folks that matter down agree. :eek:

To a Storm fan such as myself, it really does not matter. I just want to see her get props either way. I don't make silly excuses either, and folks that hardly interact get married all the time. It happens...but they did interact before 2005.

i ran all this through an online translator, and this is what popped up:

"i'll take what i can get."

[Roach5000]

sorry I love the character of Storm but im not going to buy a mini thats crap just because its got her name on it. I would much rather see Storm lead a team of X-me in opposition to Scott(because I really dont see her agreeing with what he is doing now).

[Umbra]

i ran all this through an online translator, and this is what popped up:

"i'll take what i can get."

Actually, its not that at all… I'm perfectly fine with her in BP. Especially after personally interacting with it's new writer and the plans he has in store for her.

"Fans" didn't support before the marriage. It's a lame excuse...that is rehashed all the time. You don't like the marriage, fine..but their are others who do, the folks who support the character no matter what...and the people who really matter like J.Q, A. Alonso, and J. Maberry. They all support it...so it moot!

Now if you want to talk about the topic of the thread, then lets do that. Because I just proved that her non support had nothing to do with Black Panther, since none of her mini have been supported, regardless of the quality. That is fact.

[Umbra]

sorry I love the character of Storm but im not going to buy a mini thats crap just because its got her name on it. I would much rather see Storm lead a team of X-me in opposition to Scott(because I really dont see her agreeing with what he is doing now).

The thing is her mini wasn't crap...it was awesome.

[q.u.e.e.n.]

What I disagree is with the BP taking her for granted. She is considered the most powerful weapon they have. This is said in the Black Panther book, during the first arc ("the Deadliest species").

Yes. You pretty much summed it up. "Weapon"...the relationship comes off so false.

Also, Aces was still on topic.

Black Panther and Storm suck as a couple.

Deal.

[Umbra]

Yes. You pretty much summed it up. "Weapon"...the relationship comes off so false.

Also, Aces was still on topic.

Black Panther and Storm suck as a couple.

Deal.

See, this is clearly someone that does not read the book. Why are you folks even posting. the Wakandan council (not T'challa) see her as the biggest weapon and she is...its no different then the Sentry being the U.S biggest weapon...god forbid she be look at on that level..typical(shakes head). It doesn't come off false and they don't suck as a couple.

That's why you have Jeff Parker's T'chaka, and the Next Avengers Azari. :eek:
Yeah, that sucks.

Next.

[Shadey10]

See, this is clearly someone that does not read the book. Why are you folks even posting. Wakandan council (not T'challa) see her as the biggest weapon and she is...it no different then the Sentry being the U.S biggest weapon...god forbid she be look at on that level..typical(shakes head). It doesn't come off false and they don't suck as a couple.

That's why you have Jeff Parker's T'chaka, and the Next Avengers Azari. :eek:
Yeah, that sucks.

Next.

I'm glad these people's opinion doesn't matter in the end because all the editors (And the new BP writer) support the marriage lol.

[AcesX1X]

umbra, the topic is "how do you make a storm series work?" not "how does umbra make a storm series work."

you keep throwing out accusations that storm never received support before her marriage, but that is 1. an outright lie, and 2. beside the point.

do you need an invitation to come and fact-check all of my storm appearances personally? i don't understand your statements. storm was supported. maybe she was not supported by your standards, but that is off-topic itself.

as far as your other concerns, i think you are being really rude to q.u.e.e.n. by saying her opinion does not matter because she does not read black panther.

being a storm fan does not mean you have to be a black panther fan.

q.u.e.e.n. (and others) obviously feel they have better things to spend their money on. when marvel want to get back to storm's true core concepts, then storm will find my (and others) continued support.

[Umbra]

I'm glad these people's opinion doesn't matter in the end because all the editors (And the new BP writer) support the marriage lol.

I know. It's what I was talking about on the Marvel board. Insecure fanboys = very sad.

Axel Alonso (the Chief X-men editor) is going to flat out ignore this loud minority. Because that is what they are...

Notice how they continue to talk about it, as it is the reason why her mini's does not sell, when in fact that is not true...none of them have sold, regardless of how good or bad they were.

Do they derail the thread, instead of talking about how to really fix the issue. You a excuse that has nothing to do with her not having a solo.

[4sake]

See, this is clearly someone that does not read the book. Why are you folks even posting. Wakandan council (not T'challa) see her as the biggest weapon. It doesn't come off false and they don't suck as a couple.

That's why you have Jeff Parker's T'chaka, and the Next Avengers Azari. :eek:
Yeah, that sucks.

Next.

Because they don't have any thing else do, but hate & troll like always.

[Shade101]

umbra, the topic is "how do you make a storm series work?" not "how does umbra make a storm series work."

you keep throwing out accusations that storm never received support before her marriage, but that is 1. an outright lie, and 2. beside the point.

do you need an invitation to come and fact-check all of my storm appearances personally? i don't understand your statements. storm was supported. maybe she was not supported by your standards, but that is off-topic itself.

as far as your other concerns, i think you are being really rude to q.u.e.e.n. by saying her opinion does not matter because she does not read black panther.

being a storm fan does not mean you have to be a black panther fan.

q.u.e.e.n. (and others) obviously feel they have better things to spend their money on. when marvel want to get back to storm's true core concepts, then storm will find my (and others) continued support.

And by core concepts you mean divorce? I'm not understanding how a divorce would be influential to a solo series for her. I can actually think of more instances the marriage could help her with a solo series rather than a divorce would. One of which was already stated; a queen in exile.

[Shadey10]

I know. It's what I was talking about on the Marvel board. Insecure fanboys = very sad.

Axel Alonso (the Chief X-men editor) is going to flat out ignore this loud minority. Because that is what they are...

Notice how they continue to talk about it, as it is the reason why her mini's does not sell, when in fact that is not true...none of them have sold, regardless of how good or bad they were.

Do they derail the thread, instead of talking about how to really fix the issue. You a excuse that has nothing to do with her not having a solo.

Exactly. They will also ignore that Storm was being used as a background character in the x-books before she got married. They need to blame the x-writers fro that.

[4sake]

I'm glad these people's opinion doesn't matter in the end because all the editors (And the new BP writer) support the marriage lol.

As do I... :cool:

[Umbra]

umbra, the topic is "how do you make a storm series work?" not "how does umbra make a storm series work."

you keep throwing out accusations that storm never received support before her marriage, but that is 1. an outright lie, and 2. beside the point.

do you need an invitation to come and fact-check all of my storm appearances personally? i don't understand your statements. storm was supported. maybe she was not supported by your standards, but that is off-topic itself.

as far as your other concerns, i think you are being really rude to q.u.e.e.n. by saying her opinion does not matter because she does not read black panther.

being a storm fan does not mean you have to be a black panther fan.

q.u.e.e.n. (and others) obviously feel they have better things to spend their money on. when marvel want to get back to storm's true core concepts, then storm will find my (and others) continued support.

Dude, logic.

The marriage has NOTHING to do with her not having a solo, or it working or not. Let me say it slow.
B E F O R E the M A R R I A G E her M I N I did N O T S A L E!
She was not supported even before...so that isn't a way to fix anything, when no one was supporting before she was married.:eek:

That is a fact. It's not Umbra's facts, but the facts... period. She wasn't supported enought to get her own series. I''m not making it up. Even after the Worlds Apart mini...when Storm fans like me asked for a solo...Yost said, that it didn't sell well enough.

It was the same as before...not better or not worst.

[Umbra]

And by core concepts you mean divorce? I'm not understanding how a divorce would be influential to a solo series for her. I can actually think of more instances the marriage could help her with a solo series rather than a divorce would. One of which was already stated; a queen in exile.

As for the Queen in Exile, that could work, but that is what basically happend in Worlds Apart.

I wish it was explored more...because it was great.

[q.u.e.e.n.]

See, this is clearly someone that does not read the book. Why are you folks even posting. the Wakandan council (not T'challa) see her as the biggest weapon and she is...its no different then the Sentry being the U.S biggest weapon...god forbid she be look at on that level..typical(shakes head). It doesn't come off false and they don't suck as a couple.

That's why you have Jeff Parker's T'chaka, and the Next Avengers Azari. :eek:
Yeah, that sucks.

Next.

What are you even talking about? I did read Black Panther up until the Fantastic Four gangster story came up in Black Panther. Did it get better after Hudlin stopped stinking up the pages?...maybe. He tarnished that relationship for me until Yost came with World's Apart -- probably the best show of their relationship (or of Storm) in a long time.

Also, stop acting like Storm's the victim of our abuse. We're all Storm fans. Some of us just don't support a relationship that has already had 3 billion origins to it.

[timbox]

She's just not interesting enough to support a solo series. Don't get mad; not many characters are.

[ExodusCloak]

Dude, logic.

The marriage has NOTHING to do with her not having a solo, or it working or not. Let me say it slow.
B E F O R E the M A R R I A G E her M I N I did N O T S A L E!
She was not supported even before...so that isn't a way to fix anything, when no one was supporting before she was married.:eek:

That is a fact. It's not Umbra's facts, but the facts... period. She wasn't supported enought to get her own series. I''m not making it up. Even after the Worlds Apart mini...when Storm fans like me asked for a solo...Yost said, that it didn't sell well enough.

It was the same as before...not better or not worst.

Supported by who exactly cause I'm pretty sure she was shoved down peoples throats as much as the next X-Men during her "glory" days. The fact that she doesn't have an ongoing and probably will never have an ongoing is because she's an X-Men it just won't work unless your name is Wolverine. It works in the case of the Avengers because they're all the premise is Earths mightiest heroes; a bunch of guys who started off in their own books and come together as a team to fight ultimate evil.

[Umbra]

Question. LOL

How is it a negitive Storm fans. That the most advance military state in MU, one that has been unconqured of ages...sees its Queen as the most powerful of their people and their biggest weapon?

How is that a bad thing. That is a feat, in my opinion. As a Storm fan, I love me some feats.:eek: :biggrin:

It really no different that how the U.S sees the Avengers and Sentry, or Captian America. It do different then how the U.S saw Dr. Manhattan, or Superman...that is how they view Storm. But no, that is bad. LOL

Anyhow...

I would like to see them both exiled...and seperated...and how they both fight there way back to each other and their kingdom.

[Umbra]

What are you even talking about? I did read Black Panther up until the Fantastic Four gangster story came up in Black Panther. Did it get better after Hudlin stopped stinking up the pages?...maybe. He tarnished that relationship for me until Yost came with World's Apart -- probably the best show of their relationship (or of Storm) in a long time.

Also, stop acting like Storm's the victim of our abuse. We're all Storm fans. Some of us just don't support a relationship that has already had 3 billion origins to it.

That's fine. Sorry that you are missing out on some great things. I never cut my nose off in spite of my face.

[Jmacq1]

Supported by who exactly cause I'm pretty sure she was shoved down peoples throats as much as the next X-Men during her "glory" days. The fact that she doesn't have an ongoing and probably will never have an ongoing is because she's an X-Men it just won't work unless your name is Wolverine. It works in the case of the Avengers because they're all the premise is Earths mightiest heroes; a bunch of guys who started off in their own books and come together as a team to fight ultimate evil.

Yeah, but that only works for the "Big 3" plus the Hulk (if you count him as an Avenger), and of course Spider-Man and Wolverine.

You don't see Hank Pym, Wasp, Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, or the vast host of other heroes that have been Avengers supporting long-running solo titles unless they were solo characters to begin with, as you say.

It's simply part of the nature of comics: Characters that are viewed as "team" characters may be quite popular among the fandom...but they're popular as "team" characters. That popularity is almost inextricably linked to whatever team that might be.

Heck, Wolverine might be the only character I can think of in comic history to spin out of being a regular on a "team" book and go on to great success as a solo character (long running solo series, etc...).

[Umbra]

Supported by who exactly cause I'm pretty sure she was shoved down peoples throats as much as the next X-Men during her "glory" days. The fact that she doesn't have an ongoing and probably will never have an ongoing is because she's an X-Men it just won't work unless your name is Wolverine. It works in the case of the Avengers because they're all the premise is Earths mightiest heroes; a bunch of guys who started off in their own books and come together as a team to fight ultimate evil.

That's true too... but i still think she can have a solo, and it could work with the right creative team.

[alf_to_the_rescue]

Storm: Goddess of the Stars - Watch the next great chapter in the Queen of Wakanda's tumultuous life as she travels to new dimensions and universes on an epic quest in an attempt to find the former X-Man, Forge! What will she find in the deepest darkest corners of the universe. Salavation, or Doom!!!!!

etc

[Deus ex Chris]

I would like Storm to electrocute God and become the new God.
That would be very Jenny Sparks of her. I approve.

[AcesX1X]

Dude, logic.

The marriage has NOTHING to do with her not having a solo, or it working or not. Let me say it slow.
B E F O R E the M A R R I A G E her M I N I did N O T S A L E!

That is a fact. It's not Umbra's facts, but the facts... period.

It was the same as before...not better or not worst.

here is some logic for you.

the marriage plays an integral part in her story because it is so central to stories involving her ever since she got married.

before the marriage, her minis did sell. maybe they did not sell well, or well enough for you, but they sold. unless you can state clearly that those books made zero dollars, you are just sounding ridiculous everytime you post it.

storm has plenty of fans. some are fans of her with black panther, and some are not. that is another fact for you.

either way, it does not matter. storm does not have her own series, and even if she did, (as a storm fan) i would be extremely turned off if black panther were involved in it in any way.

And by core concepts you mean divorce? I'm not understanding how a divorce would be influential to a solo series for her. I can actually think of more instances the marriage could help her with a solo series rather than a divorce would. One of which was already stated; a queen in exile.

and also: first of all, this is exactly what i hate about that stupid marriage. you say a divorce would ruin her, but for me she is already ruined. so either way, storm is not who she use to be. she is less than. i never supported that particular marketing scheme to begin with, so why should i care about how it ends? if you support the marriage, then when and if storm ever does get divorced or annulled or wished away or whatever, you can be the one to worry about it. i do not care. i can just pretend like it was all a bad dream and never happened and will be perfectly content.

[alf_to_the_rescue]

Storm: Undercover Agent - Storm has been sent on a secret mission by a mysterious individual known only as "Mr. T". She must trawl the depths of the Marvel Universe, risking her life to do what needs to be done. Armed only with a knife, a lockpick, and her all powerful elemental powers she must uncover the mystery of "Mr T" while protecting the innocent.

etc

[quillero]

I like Ororo. But the thing is that Worlds Apart had great writing and great art and still it did not sell. She was great in the 80's and beat Wonder Woman in the 90's, and whatever, but that was then.

Sometimes it seems like some Storm fans are like 19th century spaniards. Leaving off of old glorious days not realising that those times are gone. Sorry, but YOU'RE NOT A WORLD POWER ANYMORE.

[RolandJP]

Clearly we have a tale of two cities-- I mean Storm Fans.

One, altho agrees that the marriage was poorly executed loves Storm heading in a new direction and less under the X-A listers Wolverine, Scott, Emma, and Rogue.


Or Two, Fans that feel the marriage has damaged the character as a viable or/and interesting hero--altho they accept the fact within the confines of the X-world Emma has knocked Storm down to number 4..but they can live with that.


How would one fix those realities?
Can both Storm fans agree on a new direction for Storm, because something has to be done. I quit reading the X-men for a few years because Storm was being ignored. The Morrison new X-men from the beginning with Quietly all the way to issue 150 I let a guy sell on eBay for chump change...i practically gave them away.

Now thats putting your money where your mouth is.

[Slant]

Or Two, Fans that feel the marriage has damaged the character as a viable or/and interesting hero--altho they accept the fact within the confines of the X-world Emma has knocked Storm down to number 4..but they can live with that.



Most people don't have imaginary rankings, or care if they're favorite character is the most focused on. Honestly that line of thinking is stupid, worrying way too much about how important other characters are.

Why worry so much about Cyclops, Emma, Wolverine, or Rogue?

[Deus ex Chris]

I like Ororo. But the thing is that Worlds Apart had great writing and great art and still it did not sell. She was great in the 80's and beat Wonder Woman in the 90's, and whatever, but that was then.

Sometimes it seems like some Storm fans are like 19th century spaniards. Leaving off of old glorious days not realising that those times are gone. Sorry, but YOU'RE NOT A WORLD POWER ANYMORE.

She's still Marvel's most licensed female character. She may not have much presence on the publishing side right now, but as a brand fixture she's bound to be back in the spotlight. It's inevitable, but thanks for playing.

[Azure]

To answer the question: weaken her. She's sort of like this female version of Steve Rogers, in that she's moralistic and does tough stuff when she has to but nobody ever questions her decisions because she is Storm: so you weaken her and make her more questionable and you try to get into her personality and muck about with it a little but at the same time you accept the fact of where she is and who she is but you just try to push her forward somewhere.

[Leirus]

I like Ororo. But the thing is that Worlds Apart had great writing and great art and still it did not sell. She was great in the 80's and beat Wonder Woman in the 90's, and whatever, but that was then.

Sometimes it seems like some Storm fans are like 19th century spaniards. Leaving off of old glorious days not realising that those times are gone. Sorry, but YOU'RE NOT A WORLD POWER ANYMORE.

Ouch... I did not say anything !!

Anyway... I think that to relaunch Strom, so to say... you would need

1.- Give her a higher profile in X-men books. She has not been important in ages, and these are the mainstream books where it should be done.

2.- Make her a bigger part of Black Panther. I am in two minds here. When she went to Wakanda, I started to take a look to BP. But she is not doing too much there, so I just ignored it. I think that probably she should have been the new BP, but I am not a follower of tht book, and I do not know if that would have been again its continuity

3.- Include her in avenger-related titles, to give her more relevance.

After that, you could think in given her a mini, but not on Wakanda (You have BP for that) and not wih the X-men.

[quillero]

She's still Marvel's most licensed female character. She may not have much presence on the publishing side right now, but as a brand fixture she's bound to be back in the spotlight. It's inevitable, but thanks for playing.

And I'm not saying she won't. But the time where a succesful solo ongoing could be launched is past, which I thought was the subject discussed in this thread, not her popularity as a whole.

An Storm solo could have worked in the 80's. But she's been a victim of some awful editorial choices since, a shame, because she's a great character.

And just because I'm a Cyclops fan it doesn't mean I have to hate Storm. People can be pretty norrow-minded about fictional characters for such a liberal board.

[quillero]

Ouch... I did not say anything !!


I said 19th century!! LOL

For what is worth Spain is the country I've been to I've liked the most.

Y los franceses de ahora son así, pero me parecio de mal gusto decirlo en inglés. :wink:

[Leirus]

I said 19th century!! LOL

For what is worth Spain is the country I've been to I've liked the most.

Y los franceses de ahora son así, pero me parecio de mal gusto decirlo en inglés. :wink:

jajajaja I was kidding... tambien los ingleses, a quien vamos a engañar... YA NO SOIS UN IMPERIO !!

[Deus ex Chris]

And I'm not saying she won't. But the time where a succesful solo ongoing could be launched is past, which I thought was the subject discussed in this thread, not her popularity as a whole.
Has it really passed, though? Ms. Marvel and Spider-Woman both spent twenty years in obscurity, and they're both back, stronger and more relevant than ever. Storm, on the other hand, hasn't spent any time in obscurity. All it takes is the right story at the right time.

And just because I'm a Cyclops fan it doesn't mean I have to hate Storm. People can be pretty norrow-minded about fictional characters for such a liberal board.
Who said anything about Cyclops? Don't be crazy.

[quillero]

jajajaja I was kidding... tambien los ingleses, a quien vamos a engañar... YA NO SOIS UN IMPERIO !!

Jejeje, cierto. Los austriacos si lo han aceptado con gracia, pero es que a ellos si no les quedó nada.

[quillero]

Has it really passed, though? Ms. Marvel and Spider-Woman both spent twenty years in obscurity, and they're both back, stronger and more relevant than ever. Storm, on the other, hasn't spent any time in obscurity. All it takes is the right story at the right time.

They are Bendis backed. And the X does has a niche feel to it to others fans. But, yeah, it could happen, I'm just saying it won't be now, ceteris paribus.


Who said anything about Cyclops? Don't be crazy.

The thanks for playing part. Sorry if that wasn't what you meant.

[Deus ex Chris]

They are Bendis backed. And the X does has a niche feel to it to others fans. But, yeah, it could happen, I'm just saying it won't be now, ceteris paribus.
No, it definitely won't be now.

The thanks for playing part. Sorry if that wasn't what you meant.
That was just my requisite bitchy comment.

[Umbra]

Ouch... I did not say anything !!

Anyway... I think that to relaunch Strom, so to say... you would need

1.- Give her a higher profile in X-men books. She has not been important in ages, and these are the mainstream books where it should be done.

2.- Make her a bigger part of Black Panther. I am in two minds here. When she went to Wakanda, I started to take a look to BP. But she is not doing too much there, so I just ignored it. I think that probably she should have been the new BP, but I am not a follower of tht book, and I do not know if that would have been again its continuity

3.- Include her in avenger-related titles, to give her more relevance.

After that, you could think in given her a mini, but not on Wakanda (You have BP for that) and not wih the X-men.

I agree with you. I want her to be a member of the NA. That right there would make he really happy. Infact she is cool with many of its member already Like Wolverine. T'challa is great friends of them also, especially Luke Cage and Spiderman.

So there you go...she has an in...just have to hope it happends.

Well this is what the new BP writer is saying about Storm.

Storm's role will increase over time and will ultimately become crucial to the saving of Wakanda as we go into the second arc. Stay tuned.---J. Maberry

Think about it, folks, she’s one of the most powerful female superheroes in comics today. She has decades of history and we all love her. But the title of the book is Black Panther, not Storm. Putting her in the Panther costume would be a disservice to her own identity. She’s so powerful, in fact, that we’ve shifted focus away from her for the moment in order to develop Shuri and to allow T’Challa to explore his path to vengeance. However, it doesn’t mean that she’s sitting around reading Vogue and filing her nails. What she’s been doing behind the scenes will come to light in this and the next arc; and as of issue #12, Storm steps back into the book in a way that addresses her Goddess image (something I’ve always loved about her). ----J. Maberry

He really likes the character, and I trust that he will do her right. I'm also pumped up that he is looking into doing a Novel, which she would be the co-star of with T'challa the Royals.

That is what the book is about now. The Wakandan Royality.

[LastManStanding]

Storm's marriage has not and will never diminish her as a character. She is still the same badass and charismatic personality.

And her marriage does not impede on a solo. For example if Yukio gets in a bind with one of her employers and calls on Storm for assistance, that in itself could be a three or four issue arc. No continuity problems there.

Similarly if Wakanda's secret service shows her some major wrong happening in the world, she could go and investigate it herself.


These aren't difficult things to do.

Someone accused her of never being able to have a life outside of the X men. Now she has one. Support the character.

[Majinoaw]

Storm's marriage has not and will never diminish her as a character. She is still the same badass and charismatic personality.

And her marriage does not impede on a solo. For example if Yukio gets in a bind with one of her employers and calls on Storm for assistance, that in itself could be a three or four issue arc. No continuity problems there.

Similarly if Wakanda's secret service shows her some major wrong happening in the world, she could go and investigate it herself.


These aren't difficult things to do.

Someone accused her of never being able to have a life outside of the X men. Now she has one. Support the character.

i think you said it all. Support the character.

[AcesX1X]

"support the character" by default means you have to support the one she's been chained to. how great for black panther fans. :rolleyes:

[yanapryde]

Storm works best as a member of an ensemble cast.
She shines when interacting with her teammates and loved ones and the stories that result are the best.
Giving her more focus in a leadership capacity would be a simple solution.
She does well in that role.
Emma Frost and Cyclops are the leaders in Uncanny and they shine just fine.
She just needs the right supporting cast to satisfy readers. :smile:

[limerick]

Let Imraith script it,then get him to take the depraved sex scenes out,drop the heavy S&M themes and eliminate any references to group sex......Then get him to write another 25 pages and BANG!......that's issue 1 right there......(I know Imraith will agree with me on this)

[Goshin]

well, if wolverine can be on four damn teams all the time then storm can lead an x-team and help rule a country at the same time

[Slant]

I think we need to stop all comparisons about Wolverine being in multiple titles when it comes to other mutants.

[AcesX1X]

yeah, wolverine is really in his own league. not really fair to make that comparison, imo.

[Jess C.H.]

I think that in order for a Storm ongoing to work, she needs to get a little distance from the X-books (just for a little while). I posted over in the O. Munroe apreciation thread, that I think the series should go at least the first 12 issues without any X-cameos. This way her series can get it's own legs. There are so many other interesting characters in the marvel universe, that you dont have to rely on the X-men to garner interest for her ongoing. I think it would be so much more interesting to see her paired with or in opposition to characters that she has rarely had the chance to interact with. I'm not the biggest Black Panther fan in the world, but I think that the fact she is married to him opens up so many more storyline possibilities. She is now the Queen of Wakanda. Her status as a globaly recognized figure should definitely be played up. She has pretty much been set up as a major player in the Marvel Universe now. Iwould love to see her interactions with certain MU monarchs and other heads of state (i.e. Dr. Doom, Blackbolt, Namor). And I love that she has this newer history with the Fantastic Four. There are so many possibilites for her. She can definitely carrie her own solo title. People (creators/writers) just have to be able to see her as something other than just another X-man. I think the fact that she has such a rich history with the X-Men is like a bonus (or icing on the cake). There will always be something to fall back on. But let her develop outside of the X-verse first. She should and certainly could be the Wonder Woman of the MU.

[darknessatnoon]

... over my dead body.

[quillero]

... over my dead body.

It's good to have you back.

[Shade101]

here is some logic for you.

the marriage plays an integral part in her story because it is so central to stories involving her ever since she got married.

before the marriage, her minis did sell. maybe they did not sell well, or well enough for you, but they sold. unless you can state clearly that those books made zero dollars, you are just sounding ridiculous everytime you post it.

storm has plenty of fans. some are fans of her with black panther, and some are not. that is another fact for you.

either way, it does not matter. storm does not have her own series, and even if she did, (as a storm fan) i would be extremely turned off if black panther were involved in it in any way.

The only stories, outside of the Black Panther comic, that come to mind that the marriage has played an "integral" part in, is the World's Apart mini, and her time with the Fantastic Four. Any other stories, including her part in the Extremists arc and in Astonishing X-Men, haven't had anything to do with the marriage. Or at least anything to be considered as "integral".

And I'm pretty sure you understand what Umbra means by when he says "sells".

and also: first of all, this is exactly what i hate about that stupid marriage. you say a divorce would ruin her, but for me she is already ruined. so either way, storm is not who she use to be. she is less than. i never supported that particular marketing scheme to begin with, so why should i care about how it ends? if you support the marriage, then when and if storm ever does get divorced or annulled or wished away or whatever, you can be the one to worry about it. i do not care. i can just pretend like it was all a bad dream and never happened and will be perfectly content.

I never said a divorce would ruin her, and I don't believe the marriage has either. If she seems "ruined" to you, why blame a fictional character for it? If anything, it's the writer that has ruined her for you. Unless it's not really the writing that irks you.

And I agree with what you say about the watered down Ororo. She is very less than. Lacking. Uneventful. And has been for several years. Especially in Uncanny X-Men. Or what some of you call her "true home". However I don't believe the marriage is to blame. It's not T'Challa's fault for Ororo's absence in the X-Men. What some of you all fail to realize is it's not the marriage that's not writing Ororo into the X-Men mythos. It's not T'Challa either. And it's not Ororo. It's the writers. The editorial staff. Marvel. So instead of bumping your gums about how much you hate the marriage and how scarce Storm's presence has been in the X-books, express your concern to Marvel. On the next X-Position I expect to see questions from those of you who blame the marriage for her absence, or her downfall.

And I don't believe I have anything to "worry" about anytime soon pertaining to a "divorce" between Storm and Black Panther. I have a feeling they'll be together for more years to come.

[Shade101]

yeah, wolverine is really in his own league. not really fair to make that comparison, imo.

Fair to whom?

[Optic Rage!]

I think it's obvious a Storm solo would flop right now, the big guns at marvel either don't care for her or dislike her. However, ground work could be made for her to become as **prominent** in the stories as she used to be. But it would have to start soon if you want the solo to happen in the next 3-4 years. It took a long time and effort to get Spider-Woman to the top, but it worked, and she's marvel's most **buzzed** about female right now.

Some essential things a Storm book would need IMO.

#1 A strong supporting cast, some of the kids perhaps, a squad, somewhat like Rogue has right now. Plenty of them to go around, a foil for her to play off(but not at the expense of that person, like a lot of writers tend to do)

#2 A WELL known artist, and a popular writer. Look at the teams on books like Thor, Captain America, Spider-Woman. The biggest guns in the industry. Storm would need a team like that, esp since she's not as popular as the likes of Cap & Thor, so people would be less willing to give her a chance unless they see a great team on the book.

#3 In order for her to get a chance of having a solo, she's going to need to get some great material in the X-Books, which she's not. And has not for a long time. A big question mark around Storm(and her future importance) for me, is now that her biggest fan, the writer who made her into what she is, is moving on, will she ever be as relevant as she used to be, like she was under his pen? I really don't know. All the big events over the the last ten years, the most infamous & popular runs of the X-Men, have been without her, i feel like this hurt her a LOT. If Storm was part of Morrison's book, i feel like the situation with her would be NOTHING like it is today.

So what I'm saying in short, someone GREAT needs to come along, someone who LOVES Storm, and make her interesting & relevant again. But that is a major problem, none of the current writers LOVE her, so the longer you have to wait for a Morrison, or a Joss to come and write some amazing stories with her as the star, the longer you have to wait for a solo that will sell.

#4 Some of you may not agree with this on me, but IMO she needs to do something shocking, she needs to get people talking about her again. She needs to do something TOTALLY unexpected, perhaps a fall from grace, something fresh, something that will make your jaw drop. Something that will go down as one of the best X-Moments ever. This can't be a moment of fan service, or showing how uber her powers are because then whats the point? Those people that don't care for her now, still won't care. It needs to get us ALL talking.

One of the main reasons that i see from people who dislike Storm is that CC made her too perfect, a pet character. Under his pen, she'd always come out on top. A lot of people find this boring, and impossible to relate to. And that's why i think her character needs a huge shake up.

But I'm not suite sure what.

[Daniel Mengsk]

But it would have to start soon if you want the solo to happen in the next 3-4 years. It took a long time and effort to get Spider-Woman to the top, but it worked, and she's marvel's most **buzzed** about female right now.


Yes, I remember how Spider-Woman was becoming a very prominant character, and some magazine (I think it was Wizard) predicted that she would be the "it girl" of 200X. Well nothing really big happened with her character in that year, so people started to write her off. But that was just (according to the writers/editors) part of the plan to build up her popularity slowly, but surely.

I would hope that people understand that to build up an ongoing series with a single character like Storm, and to have the ongoing series last more than 4 issues, one must give the character a few years to build up a buzz before launching a series.


#4 Some of you may not agree with this on me, but IMO she needs to do something shocking, she needs to get people talking about her again. She needs to do something TOTALLY unexpected, perhaps a fall from grace, something fresh, something that will make your jaw drop. Something that will go down as one of the best X-Moments ever. This can't be a moment of fan service, or showing how uber her powers are because then whats the point? Those people that don't care for her now, still won't care. It needs to get us ALL talking.


I don't know about the fall from grace; to many prominent heroes have had such a fall recently, but I agree that a "shock-factor" is a must for her character as this stage. It's hard to grasp what Storm is this days; is she a Queen, is she an X-Man, does she support the "Utopian dream", what goals does she have in life etc. Her character has been really frustrating to follow in the last couple of years - to launch her into her own ongoing series now would not work at all.

[Deus ex Chris]

I agree with most of what you said, Andy. However, there are at least a couple of writers currently working for Marvel who love her--Brubaker and Pak. The problem is that Storm has been repeatedly hamstrung. Morrison and Whedon both had interest in using her, but for whatever reason, Claremont had dibs. That was probably the worst thing to ever happen to the character. While the other core X-Men were being revitalized, she was stuck in a clusterfuck of indulgent nostalgia. Then, they finally took her away from Claremont only to exile her to a book that was poorly written and completely marginal. They've missed every opportunity to revitalize her, and as a result, their most recognizable, most marketable superheroine is completely irrelevent in the publishing arm--which is absolutely the heart of the company. It's really unfortunate. Of course, the current Black Panther series is on its way to cancellation numbers, so I imagine she'll find more prominence in the next few years.

For the record, I like what Mayberry is doing in BP, but the numbers are what they are. I can only assume the eventual result will be more Storm sans her husband.

[RolandJP]

I agree with most of what you said, Andy. However, there are at least a couple of writers currently working for Marvel who love her--Brubaker and Pak. The problem is that Storm has been repeatedly hamstrung. Morrison and Whedon both had interest in using her, but for whatever reason, Claremont had dibs. That was probably the worst thing to ever happen to the character. While the other core X-Men were being revitalized, she was stuck in a clusterfuck of indulgent nostalgia. Then, they finally took her away from Claremont only to exile her to a book that was poorly written and completely marginal. They've missed every opportunity to revitalize her, and as a result, their most recognizable, most marketable superheroine is completely irrelevent in the publishing arm--which is absolutely the heart of the company. It's really unfortunate. Of course, the current Black Panther series is on its way to cancellation numbers, so I imagine she'll find more prominence in the next few years.

For the record, I like what Mayberry is doing in BP, but the numbers are what they are. I can only assume the eventual result will be more Storm sans her husband.

At this point, all I am hoping for is a great story-- and with Marvel's track of characters being married--anything could happen. I still have a problem with the "only Wolverine can be in a lot of books notion." DC comics Wonder Woman has her own book and is on 2 JLA teams .

anywho--My beef is and always will be the cast off and the Emma exchange. Its so one-sided with issue after issue of Cyclops or Emma putting Storm in her place. For what? I dont know--Scott left the team twice and he received less grief. When he came back all of the X-men were happy to have him back. With Storm its like--what are YOU doing here?


I fear that Storm will return to the team and will be unconscious in panels. Not be able to Lift Wolverines off the ground. Have less of a voice in X-books than elsewhere. And X-fans will generally act with the same "meh" attitude as they did with the Bishop evil turn. (late night rant filter on)

Speaking of which--When Jean turned evil there was an emotional context to the story--shown through other characters dealing with her change. She lost control and we readers could empathize--because we saw the anguish in Scott, Storm, Beast, Colossus,etc . With Bishop it was like-- Oh yeah, he went nuts shot the professor. Good the professors out the way. Lets Move to SF and have a partayyyyyyyyyyyy

When Magik went to Limbo the New Mutants tried to rescue her as well as the X-men. Now a days unless you are in the "In" crowd the X-men could careless about you. (once again hyperbole--dont take literally)

Can we at least get some character consistency to this stuff. They are superheroes for Thanos sake. You know--With great power comes great responsibility. Or in the X-men's case--being a decent person in the face of bigotry--rising above the pettiness of class warfare.

[Optic Rage!]

I don't know about the fall from grace; to many prominent heroes have had such a fall recently, but I agree that a "shock-factor" is a must for her character as this stage. It's hard to grasp what Storm is this days; is she a Queen, is she an X-Man, does she support the "Utopian dream", what goals does she have in life etc. Her character has been really frustrating to follow in the last couple of years - to launch her into her own ongoing series now would not work at all.

It does not have to be a fall from grace, but something that makes her evolve as a character, something with depth, and a lot of strong, unique characterization.

But most of all, well written and something that leaves a long lasting impression.

I agree with most of what you said, Andy. However, there are at least a couple of writers currently working for Marvel who love her--Brubaker and Pak. The problem is that Storm has been repeatedly hamstrung. Morrison and Whedon both had interest in using her, but for whatever reason, Claremont had dibs. That was probably the worst thing to ever happen to the character. While the other core X-Men were being revitalized, she was stuck in a clusterfuck of indulgent nostalgia. Then, they finally took her away from Claremont only to exile her to a book that was poorly written and completely marginal. They've missed every opportunity to revitalize her, and as a result, their most recognizable, most marketable superheroine is completely irrelevent in the publishing arm--which is absolutely the heart of the company. It's really unfortunate. Of course, the current Black Panther series is on its way to cancellation numbers, so I imagine she'll find more prominence in the next few years.

For the record, I like what Mayberry is doing in BP, but the numbers are what they are. I can only assume the eventual result will be more Storm sans her husband.

Yeah, you are right. Bru is a fan, but i'm not sure if i trust him with Storm. The arc with her before MC was so so. But that was more because of the overall story then anything.

CC really hurt her by taking her away from Morrison, Xtreme was awful and has no long lasting relevance to the mythos, beyond how BAD the Arena story was.....and bringing Rachel back.

Can you imagine her under Morrison & Joss? What a fucking shame that was.

At this point, all I am hoping for is a great story-- and with Marvel's track of characters being married--anything could happen. I still have a problem with the "only Wolverine can be in a lot of books notion." DC comics Wonder Woman has her own book and is on 2 JLA teams .

anywho--My beef is and always will be the cast off and the Emma exchange. Its so one-sided with issue after issue of Cyclops or Emma putting Storm in her place. For what? I dont know--Scott left the team twice and he received less grief. When he came back all of the X-men were happy to have him back. With Storm its like--what are YOU doing here?

To be fair, it's only Emma who's being rude to her. And that's Emma just being Emma.

And does anyone actually ever say **only Wolverine can be in a lot of books**? or is that more of an assumption on certain fans part? I don't think thats even slightly connected to the reason Storm is underused right now.

Fraction does not show much enthusiasm for her, and i don't recall Carey ever saying anything about her right now. Ellis is using her, but then you have the delays.

Plus, i think JQ still likes the idea of Storm & BP, so I'm sure that plays some part.

[RolandJP]

True. You do make good points.

I am this close to joining the shortpack crusade. But I think Monty is a force onto himself and doesnt need the help.

need sleep. Im on UK time..and premenstrual.

[Shade101]

#4 Some of you may not agree with this on me, but IMO she needs to do something shocking, she needs to get people talking about her again. She needs to do something TOTALLY unexpected, perhaps a fall from grace, something fresh, something that will make your jaw drop. Something that will go down as one of the best X-Moments ever. This can't be a moment of fan service, or showing how uber her powers are because then whats the point? Those people that don't care for her now, still won't care. It needs to get us ALL talking.

One of the main reasons that i see from people who dislike Storm is that CC made her too perfect, a pet character. Under his pen, she'd always come out on top. A lot of people find this boring, and impossible to relate to. And that's why i think her character needs a huge shake up.

But I'm not suite sure what.

O-M-G! This is EXACTLY what I've been thinking for the longest. I was just never sure how to go about it in a fresh and interesting way. It would be easy to go the "darker" route for the character. Having her turn on her teammates and turn rogue, blah, blah, blah. But that's become so cliche' lately. What she needs is something FRESH! Something rarely done, or not done at all. But what in the hell would that be?

[Greg Anderson]

They should put her on an Avengers book. Have her and T'Challa integral in some big event story lines, etc.

[End of Time]

What it takes for Storm to get a solo title.

Divorce.

A female character in her own solo title, you need to have sexual tension. There needs to be the opportunity for her to meet someone and fall in love. 99% of relationships in comics are doomed from the start. You know they're not going to stay together in the end. Having one character tied to the other means that you can't seperate their stories anymore.

Happily married couples don't exist in the Marvel Universe, because happily married means boring. Mary Jane and Peter had a relationship that seemed pretty damn perfect, and look how that turned out. Reed and Sue, would be a boring relationship if it weren't for the fact that Sue ever so often gets a visit from Namor... you know she's flirting with him, despite saying the opposite. Scott and Emma... if that's a perfect relationship in your eyes, you need glasses and a therapist.

If Storm wants to have her solo series, and if it wants to succeed, she needs to divorce the black panther. If she doesn't divorce him, she won't be able to properly flirt with other men, because that would mean she's a cheater, and that's one of those moral lines you don't want your main character to cross.

Compare it with every other series... the moment the main character gets married and is happily married, the series gets canceled. A character who is single, or who is stuck in a relationship that is doomed from the beginning, is the only type of relationship that could work.

Support-group.

Storm is pretty damn perfect on her own. That's why she always worked best in a group. She plays with other characters, which expands her own character. X-treme X-men was basically a Storm and the X-men title. Storm was the leader, but she had an interesting dynamic with Sage and the other characters. Remember when Jean Grey came over for some girl talk? Storm's personality changed with Jean there, she became a bit more mellow. With Sage there Storm was always more in command, more distant.

He interaction with other character is what makes Storm into a viable character. On her own she's a bit too bland and perfect. On her own she has tunnel-vision, she loses herself completely in what she does. With other characters around she is grounded and made more human.

Drama

I've been saying it for years, but Storm should be as barren as a desert. We all know that motherhood kills characters, because kids never work in comics. They are always shipped off to some distant future, a different dimension, or an unspecified planet. Kids kill characters, or at least it kills their carreers as superheroes.

Same goes for every other media. Getting a character knocked up is fun and games... but once the kid is born, you're stuck with a huge problem.

I want Storm sterile... it's going to have a huge impact on her personality. It makes her physically flawed, which is needed to contrast the fact that she's damn near godlike in the power she wields, and it adds a touch of realism and controversy that would get people talking about the character again. Have her infertile situation tied to her ability to control the weather, and your adding a tragic touch to the character.

Stories designed for her powerset.

Storm in an urban setting... it's not going to work if she's going to be there exclusively. Storm needs to be off doing her own thing around the globe. Call Yukio for some fun times in Madripoor, and then have her battle impossible odds against some weird threat only she can stop. Storm has a pretty diverse powerset, so play on that fact by letting her travel. Give her a homebase, or force her out on her own, as long as she's not going to do one thing all the time, it's not a problem.

You can have her do small scale stories, but with a character like Storm that's going to result in her throwing lightning around in relatively confined spaced... and that makes her dull and generic if you're doing it too often. If you have her take on monsters from Dimension Z month after month, she becomes too big and impossible to relate to.

[FeminineMystique]

I would have Storm discover X-force and confront Scott over his assassin squad. This isnt what she left Africa for. The Xmen were about hope not about death. She leaves the team and spends time figuring out what she wants to do with her mutant abilities and skill sets.

She was happy to have her team slaughter the Marauders back in the day, what Cyke is doing isn't really any different.

[limerick]

She was happy to have her team slaughter the Marauders back in the day, what Cyke is doing isn't really any different.
You're right you know...she was pretty hard core,violence wise,back then.....Remember she wanted to off Havok just for knowing the X-men were still around(Approx Uncanny 221??)

[LordAllMighty]

She was happy to have her team slaughter the Marauders back in the day, what Cyke is doing isn't really any different.

Yeah, but she was willing to get her hands dirty...Cyke does all his dirty work in the safty of his little compound.

Not taking sides, just pointing out the facts. AAMOF, I agree with both of them to a point. Kill those fuker first, makes your life easier.:biggrin:

[FeminineMystique]

Yeah, but she was willing to get her hands dirty...Cyke does all his dirty work in the safty of his little compound.

Not taking sides, just pointing out the facts. AAMOF, I agree with both of them to a point. Kill those fuker first, makes your life easier.:biggrin:

Oh yeah, she'd be well within her right to chew him out for that. And for him getting X-23 to become a killer again when she had a chance to move away from that.

I just meant that any Marvel writer who had her lecture Scott on how taking out their enemies permanently was wrong would obviously be fairly ignorant about the character. It's one of the things that annoyed me about the Ghost Box arc, when she was so shocked at Scott killing a guy. I was just thinking "You penned in a team of twenty people and then systematically murdered all of them with your team mates. And THIS is bothering you?":eek:

You're right you know...she was pretty hard core,violence wise,back then.....Remember she wanted to off Havok just for knowing the X-men were still around(Approx Uncanny 221??)

Yep, Storm may not LIKE to kill but she's never had any problem with it when it's neccessary

[AcesX1X]

she was also willing to let kahn kill sage in x-treme x-men.

and she was in favor of mercy killing polaris during inferno.

she did not shed a tear when madelyne pryor killed herself.

and she let beast kill forge very recently.

...off the top of my head.

[darknessatnoon]

she was also willing to let kahn kill sage in x-treme x-men.

and she was in favor of mercy killing polaris during inferno.

she did not shed a tear when madelyne pryor killed herself.

and she let beast kill forge very recently.

...off the top of my head.

She probably killed people in the Arena when she was a gladiatrix.

[LordAllMighty]

Yep, Storm may not LIKE to kill but she's never had any problem with it when it's neccessary

Agreed, she hasn't played the role of the unkilling Earth Mother in years. This ain't your father's Storm anymore.

[FeminineMystique]

Agreed, she hasn't played the role of the unkilling Earth Mother in years. This ain't your father's Storm anymore.

Actually given that she started being willing to kill in the 80s that IS my fathers Storm.

She probably killed people in the Arena when she was a gladiatrix.

Is "Gladiatrix" a word or did you just make it up? If it's the latter: Bravo:biggrin:

[LordAllMighty]

Actually given that she started being willing to kill in the 80s that IS my fathers Storm.

Nice.:biggrin:

[FeminineMystique]

Nice.:biggrin:

:biggrin: I thought so

[Jess C.H.]

... over my dead body.

What was it that you had a problem with ?

[jarrod]

Make Storm King of Wakanda. Make Tessa, Callisto, Kitty Pryde and Evangeline Whedon her trusted cabinet.

[infernohara]

When did Storm and Sage makeup? I apparently missed that episode.

Last time I saw Storm and Sage together, storm was about to kill her herself.

She was like: GTFO of the X-men Sage! I can't believe I trusted you! After that I never saw them in the same panel again (and no, Exiles Storms do not count)

[jarrod]

When did Storm and Sage makeup?
I'm hoping offpanel in a Madripoor hot tub. <3 <3

[Daniel Mengsk]

It does not have to be a fall from grace, but something that makes her evolve as a character, something with depth, and a lot of strong, unique characterization.

But most of all, well written and something that leaves a long lasting impression.


I was thinking of a scenario where she had to chose/make an ultimate decision between the well-being of either Utopia or Wakanda, or something like that. I don't know, it's hard to come up with something really good and creative.



Plus, i think JQ still likes the idea of Storm & BP, so I'm sure that plays some part.

The marriage isn't going anywhere because a) JQ doesn't believe in divorce and b) I don't think that the readers can stomach another infernal deus ex machina solution.

Last time I saw Storm and Sage together, storm was about to kill her herself.

She was like: GTFO of the X-men Sage! I can't believe I trusted you!

What?

[darknessatnoon]

The marriage isn't going anywhere because a) JQ doesn't believe in divorce and b) I don't think that the readers can stomach another infernal deus ex machina solution.




No it's not going anywhere because Quesada can't lose face on all his misguided and failed minority initiatives. At least he finally stopped pimping Arana.

[ExodusCloak]

Storm and T'Challa need to get a pet cat.

[Daniel Mengsk]

No it's not going anywhere because Quesada can't lose face on all his misguided and failed minority initiatives. At least he finally stopped pimping Arana.

I had to google her up - Anya Corazon? Corazon? Okay...

The Storm and BP marriage was just a failed attempt from Marvel/JQ to counter the Black Adam/Isis thing.

[jarrod]

Storm and T'Challa need to get a pet cat.
Pick one!

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/222761-62472-kitty-pryde_super.jpg

[darknessatnoon]

I had to google her up - Anya Corazon? Corazon? Okay...

The Storm and BP marriage was just a failed attempt from Marvel/JQ to counter the Black Adam/Isis thing.

The only person under Quesada who truly understands Storm's true character core (bracketing CC) is Simone Bianchi who realizes that Storm's blank eyes symbolize the essential emptiness of her interiority. She is entirely surface. She is a blank screen upon which the most twisted creator fetishes can be projected entirely guilt free.

[RolandJP]

No it's not going anywhere because Quesada can't lose face on all his misguided and failed minority initiatives. At least he finally stopped pimping Arana.

Why is it that BP, War Machine are part of a failed agenda..but Irredeemable Ant-man
The Order, CB and MI3 are titles--that dont do so well but are chalked up to nice tries.


D@N im putting you in time-out.

[darknessatnoon]

Why is it that BP, War Machine are part of a failed agenda..but Irredeemable Ant-man
The Order, CB and Mi3 and like are not.


D@N im putting you in time-out.

They aren't aspects of his minority tactics. But other than Ant-Man, which Kirkman ended himself, those other three books are failures. I also have always felt that Iron Man lite was unnecessary. Rhodey can replace Stark but he doesn't merit another identity.

[Jess C.H.]

How do you make a Storm series work?

[pryde15]

Pick one!

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/222761-62472-kitty-pryde_super.jpg

I take this as slander against me and my family, also Kitty isn't into your sick submission fantasties.

[RolandJP]

How do you make a Storm series work?

Art Adams or Frank Cho on art


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_cq-h1RCj4yI/SC-7UwXilsI/AAAAAAAAAvk/EXxh0TK4Dnk/s400/BlackPanther8b.jpg

[darknessatnoon]

Art Adams or Frank Cho on art

Larry Flint on art.

[RolandJP]

Larry Flint on art.

If he can draw like this

http://stormantic.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/storm_by_arthur_adams.jpg

[Jess C.H.]

Art Adams or Frank Cho on art


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_cq-h1RCj4yI/SC-7UwXilsI/AAAAAAAAAvk/EXxh0TK4Dnk/s400/BlackPanther8b.jpg

Both are excellent suggestions. I have'nt seen much from AA lately. What has he been working on?

[Jess C.H.]

Larry Flint on art.

DA DUM TSHHHHHHH

[Jess C.H.]

If he can draw like this

http://stormantic.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/storm_by_arthur_adams.jpg

AA always did a great Storm. He even made Mohawk Storm look awesome.

[jarrod]

I take this as slander against me and my family, also Kitty isn't into your sick submission fantasties.
What do you and your family have against boobs?

Also, Kitty would just be groomed as T'Challa's replacement. The world needs a Black Panther.

[pryde15]

What do you and your family have against boobs?

Also, Kitty would just be groomed as T'Challa's replacement. The world needs a Black Panther.

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k303/cpsm1092/Signs/shutupfh9.gif

I have lost my Tanisha one...

[RolandJP]

AA always did a great Storm. He even made Mohawk Storm look awesome.

Thats why I suggested a Storm Origins book. That way you could tell stories with a sliding timeline.

http://www.blacklinefever.com/artists/a-adams/ArtAdamsStormFlying.jpg

[BBeeryan]

She's still Marvel's most licensed female character. She may not have much presence on the publishing side right now, but as a brand fixture she's bound to be back in the spotlight. It's inevitable, but thanks for playing.

Oh my god. I love you. Did G just put their foot in their mouth?! LMMFAO

[Jess C.H.]

Thats why I suggested a Storm Origins book. That way you could tell stories with a sliding timeline.

http://www.blacklinefever.com/artists/a-adams/ArtAdamsStormFlying.jpg

That just looks so awsome. While I would definitely buy a Storm Origins book (I think it's a great idea), I'm not sure it would do well in overall sales. I really believe for a Storm series to work, you have to get her away from the X-Men (just for a while) and have her more involved with the rest of the MU.

[RolandJP]

That just looks so awsome. While I would definitely buy a Storm Origins book (I think it's a great idea), I'm not sure it would do well in overall sales. I really believe for a Storm series to work, you have to get her away from the X-Men (just for a while) and have her more involved with the rest of the MU.

I would be fine with that.

[jarrod]

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k303/cpsm1092/Signs/shutupfh9.gif

I have lost my Tanisha one...
As a true Kitty Pryde fan, I'm looking for ways for the character to stay relevant. Take notes.

[The Weather God]

That just looks so awsome. While I would definitely buy a Storm Origins book (I think it's a great idea), I'm not sure it would do well in overall sales. I really believe for a Storm series to work, you have to get her away from the X-Men (just for a while) and have her more involved with the rest of the MU.

Agreed, they've tried it too many times and they all failed.

I believe she needs to be brought back to top tier at least in the xbooks. Then play a large role somewhere else. Maybe leading a team like the avengers or becoming the central attention to a major marvel story arc. This is necessary to get the character likable and noticeable to the general comic book audience.

Only then do I see a Storm series working.

[Jumpoff!]

She needs to STAY out of the X-Books. Make her a super hero in the vain of Ms. Marvel a force to be reckoned with. I always felt(even tho I'm not a fan of the X-books anymore) she was always playing den mother. The last cool thing I can think of her doing in the x-books is rip out marrow's heart. Her getting out the x-books was the best thing for her.

[Jess C.H.]

I think that in order for a Storm ongoing to work, she needs to get a little distance from the X-books (just for a little while). I posted over in the O. Munroe apreciation thread, that I think the series should go at least the first 12 issues without any X-cameos. This way her series can get it's own legs. There are so many other interesting characters in the marvel universe, that you dont have to rely on the X-men to garner interest for her ongoing. I think it would be so much more interesting to see her paired with or in opposition to characters that she has rarely had the chance to interact with. I'm not the biggest Black Panther fan in the world, but I think that the fact she is married to him opens up so many more storyline possibilities. She is now the Queen of Wakanda. Her status as a globaly recognized figure should definitely be played up. She has pretty much been set up as a major player in the Marvel Universe now. Iwould love to see her interactions with certain MU monarchs and other heads of state (i.e. Dr. Doom, Blackbolt, Namor). And I love that she has this newer history with the Fantastic Four. There are so many possibilites for her. She can definitely carrie her own solo title. People (creators/writers) just have to be able to see her as something other than just another X-man. I think the fact that she has such a rich history with the X-Men is like a bonus (or icing on the cake). There will always be something to fall back on. But let her develop outside of the X-verse first. She should and certainly could be the Wonder Woman of the MU.

Plus: Pencils by Art Adams.....or Frank Cho......or Olivier Copiel.....or.....

[Chandler X]

Oh man, what if Veranke impersonated Storm instead of Spider-Woman?

[Optic Rage!]

[QUOTE=End of Time;9737883]

Drama

I've been saying it for years, but Storm should be as barren as a desert. We all know that motherhood kills characters, because kids never work in comics. They are always shipped off to some distant future, a different dimension, or an unspecified planet. Kids kill characters, or at least it kills their carreers as superheroes.

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Fantastic idea, and one of the shocks she needs that i was talking about.

[Jess C.H.]

[QUOTE=End of Time;9737883]

Drama

I've been saying it for years, but Storm should be as barren as a desert. We all know that motherhood kills characters, because kids never work in comics. They are always shipped off to some distant future, a different dimension, or an unspecified planet. Kids kill characters, or at least it kills their carreers as superheroes.

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Fantastic idea, and one of the shocks she needs that i was talking about.

You got that right. It's because of how people age in comicdom. It's too wierd if 10 years from now the kid is still a toddler, or the kid is all of a sudden 17 and mom is still in her early thirties.

[CrimsonComedian]

Lets be honest here female solo titles just aren't that good most of the time.

[pryde15]

As a true Kitty Pryde fan, I'm looking for ways for the character to stay relevant. Take notes.

EXCUSE ME? EXCUSE ME?


Let's not confuse true fan with troll her jarrod! Give T-Rex some more of your love and leave my jew alone!

[coveredinbees]

Lets be honest here female solo titles just aren't that good most of the time.
That's why we need Storm to champion the Marvel women's cause.

[SugarMan]

Some working titles...

STORM: Queen of Wakanda

ORORO: Mistress of the Storm

STORM: Godess of the Sky

STORM of the X-Men

Who knows. But she was a member of the Fantastic Four, maybe some time in with the Avengers is due. Both Wolverine and Beast did there time. And Thor's not back their yet. But she definitely has to put in more time with the X-Men. With mutant survival in question, there's no way Storm would want to spend any extened amount of time away from the X-Men. She'd be involved in all decision making at this point. We know she has duties in Wakanda, but we're talking a couple of hundred mutants left on the planet. And she remembers what happened to the Morlocks when she let her guard down.

[Jess C.H.]

How about.....

Ororo: The Windrider

or...

The Inevitable STORM

[Monty_Cristo]

or how about she just joins the Avengers because that's how you embellish a character's resume. Storm solo series will fail. not because of her powerset. not because she's not A-list. it's her personality. she doesn't have the personality of a solo star. her power is one that compliments teams. she's meant to lead teams. she's not a brooding bad@$$ loner w/ a lot of mystery to her background. she's not an insane wise-cracker. she doesn't use guns. she doesn't do a lot of rooftop hopping or backflips. she doesn't use a sword. she's powerful enough that she shouldn't have to engage anyone in hand-to-hand combat. she's not solo book material.

[infernohara]

What?

I wish I can make scans, but its true. It happened right at the moment Donald Pierce had all the X-men dead. As usual, Sage betrays the team and was secretly working with Sebastian shaw. (She wanted to make a better future for Sunspot) With Nightcrawler and Wolverine almost dying in the process (and a well aimed headpiece shot from storm....it was truly an amazing picture) the team was saved, but Sage's selfish secretness took its toll. Storm really thought about killing sage. Instead their trust and friendship was destroyed in that arc and true to form I've seen the girls on panel together since. After that whole Fury debacle and other "secret" saginess, this was the last straw.

Hopefully Storm and Sage can be friends again.

[AcesX1X]

storm and sage will always be friends, despite their differences.

[Filthy Mutie]

Another way to have a successful Storm series would be to have Bishop shoot her in the head and have her biologically restored, but she has to go questing to get her memories back. At least that way, if the past must continue to be dredged-up, the series can focus on the finer points.

EDIT: Ok, the beginning of my post is tongue-in-cheek, but the premise isn't. I'm not trolling.

[coveredinbees]

I wish I can make scans, but its true. It happened right at the moment Donald Pierce had all the X-men dead. As usual, Sage betrays the team and was secretly working with Sebastian shaw. (She wanted to make a better future for Sunspot) With Nightcrawler and Wolverine almost dying in the process (and a well aimed headpiece shot from storm....it was truly an amazing picture) the team was saved, but Sage's selfish secretness took its toll. Storm really thought about killing sage. Instead their trust and friendship was destroyed in that arc and true to form I've seen the girls on panel together since. After that whole Fury debacle and other "secret" saginess, this was the last straw.

Hopefully Storm and Sage can be friends again.
She betrayed everybody that day, and it was a great one. I never understood why she didn't become the club leader, though.

A series with Sage and Storm as leading ladies would be an excellent book.

[Pixie_Solanas]

High sex, high camp. That's the only way it will work.

[Talisman]

Turn her into Whitley from the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air.

[Filthy Mutie]

Turn her into Whitley from the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air.

I'd prefer the Whitley from A Different World.

[Pixie_Solanas]

I'd prefer the Whitley from A Different World.

Was that Sinbad?

[darknessatnoon]

I'd prefer the Whitley from A Different World.

I was going to say that.

[Filthy Mutie]

Was that Sinbad?

Are you saying she would be better as Sinbad?

Or as Dwayne Wayne?

[Pixie_Solanas]

Are you saying she would be better as Sinbad?

Or as Dwayne Wayne?

Nothing would be better with Sinbad.

[Jess C.H.]

Turn her into Whitley from the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air.

???????????....What???

Did I get lost?

[BBeeryan]

I was going to say that.

Whatchu know bout A Different World?

[Jess C.H.]

Turn her into Whitley from the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air.

Okay, I'll bite........yooooouure saying that you want Storm to play the part of Whitely in some fictional Jasmine Guy biopic??

[Yogaflame]

High sex, high camp. That's the only way it will work.

I almost agree. For Storm to be at her full potential, her series should be a MAX line series: sex, violence, nudity, mature themes, all open to add to the story. Who wouldn't want to read/see a warrior-superhero Queen hotter than Naomi have adventures all over this world, outerspace and other dimensions. One part Barbarella, one part Xena, one part reality tv show(about an African queen).

You can have her tackle real world taboos like AIDS and sex slave traffickers, you can have her traverse the higher dimensions ala Promethea learning magic from Dr. Voodoo and her grandmother, you can have her fighting demons and Republicans in underground nightclubs in New York, and then give a speech at the UN in the morning; whatever. She's a badass, sexy woman with a brain, goddess powers and international(interdimensional) connections. I don't understand why there is so much reticence about making her work as a viable character.

[darknessatnoon]

I almost agree. For Storm to be at her full potential, her series should be a MAX line series: sex, violence, nudity, mature themes, all open to add to the story. Who wouldn't want to read/see a warrior-superhero Queen hotter than Naomi have adventures all over this world, outerspace and other dimensions. One part Barbarella, one part Xena, one part reality tv show(about an African queen).

You can have her tackle real world taboos like AIDS and sex slave traffickers, you can have her traverse the higher dimensions ala Promethea learning magic from Dr. Voodoo and her grandmother, you can have her fighting demons and Republicans in underground nightclubs in New York, and then give a speech at the UN in the morning; whatever. She's a badass, sexy woman with a brain, goddess powers and international(interdimensional) connections. I don't understand why there is so much reticence about making her work as a viable character.

keep going. I enjoy this line of thought.

[BBeeryan]

keep going. I enjoy this line of thought.

No you don't. Don't petend to like anything about Queen Ororo.

[Fatguy]

I almost agree. For Storm to be at her full potential, her series should be a MAX line series: sex, violence, nudity, mature themes, all open to add to the story. Who wouldn't want to read/see a warrior-superhero Queen hotter than Naomi have adventures all over this world, outerspace and other dimensions. One part Barbarella, one part Xena, one part reality tv show(about an African queen).

You can have her tackle real world taboos like AIDS and sex slave traffickers, you can have her traverse the higher dimensions ala Promethea learning magic from Dr. Voodoo and her grandmother, you can have her fighting demons and Republicans in underground nightclubs in New York, and then give a speech at the UN in the morning; whatever. She's a badass, sexy woman with a brain, goddess powers and international(interdimensional) connections. I don't understand why there is so much reticence about making her work as a viable character.

LOL you had me at Demons and Republicans in underground nightclubs.

[Talisman]

???????????....What???

Did I get lost?
Have her behave exactly like Whitley did on FPoBA. I didn't think it needed explaining.

[Kasper Cole]

I love how everyone keeps saying "get her away from Black Panther" as if that's the thing keeping her from having a solo series. :rolleyes:

[AcesX1X]

I love how everyone keeps saying "get her away from Black Panther" as if that's the thing keeping her from having a solo series. :rolleyes:

expand your thoughts for us kasper.

[Deus ex Chris]

I love how everyone keeps saying "get her away from Black Panther" as if that's the thing keeping her from having a solo series. :rolleyes:
I imagine it has to do with the fact that the vague "everyone" you're referring to found themselves turned off by her horribly forced and poorly executed shotgun wedding and her lackluster-to-awful characterization and usage in her husband's ongoing title--which has yet to be retitled to include her name, by the way. That could possibly be the reason this "everyone" might be more inclined to support a Storm ongoing if it were sans Black Panther.

That's just a guess.

[Kasper Cole]

expand your thoughts for us kasper.

Storm has been around for 35 years and has never had an ongoing solo series. I doubt her 3 year marriage to T'Challa is what's been keeping her from having an ongoing series all this time.

Worlds Apart proved that there can be Storm-centric stories that are great while she is still married.

All she needs for a good ongoing solo series is a writer who cares about her (Yost), a good artist, a solid push from Marvel (which I think she's actually been getting the past few years), and for her fans to actually support the title.

[Imraith Nimphais]

I almost agree. For Storm to be at her full potential, her series should be a MAX line series: sex, violence, nudity, mature themes, all open to add to the story. Who wouldn't want to read/see a warrior-superhero Queen hotter than Naomi have adventures all over this world, outerspace and other dimensions. One part Barbarella, one part Xena, one part reality tv show(about an African queen).

You can have her tackle real world taboos like AIDS and sex slave traffickers, you can have her traverse the higher dimensions ala Promethea learning magic from Dr. Voodoo and her grandmother, you can have her fighting demons and Republicans in underground nightclubs in New York, and then give a speech at the UN in the morning; whatever. She's a badass, sexy woman with a brain, goddess powers and international(interdimensional) connections. I don't understand why there is so much reticence about making her work as a viable character.

I would be the very last person to thumb my nose at the aforementioned SVNMT...but when it comes to Storm...absolutely not! (That would be like "The Arena" all over again).

[Umbra]

I imagine it has to do with the fact that the vague "everyone" you're referring to found themselves turned off by her horribly forced and poorly executed shotgun wedding and her lackluster-to-awful characterization and usage in her husband's ongoing title--which has yet to be retitled to include her name, by the way. That could possibly be the reason this "everyone" might be more inclined to support a Storm ongoing if it were sans Black Panther.

That's just a guess.

So why in the world was she not supported in her mini's before Black Panther?
This is why the that is really B.S. excuse.

Even if it was retitled, you would still have folks who would not support regardless. I'm not saying you (because you did by Worlds Apart), but some would not support. Black Panther has nothing to do with it. Really that is so lame it's a joke. It's the same with Wonder Woman. Fans talk big, but will not support her.

Again, Marvel, Axel Alonso, Maberry and others in charge don't agree.

[AcesX1X]

umbra doesn't believe any of the rest of us bought worlds apart.

[Imraith Nimphais]

I imagine it has to do with the fact that the vague "everyone" you're referring to found themselves turned off by her horribly forced and poorly executed shotgun wedding and her lackluster-to-awful characterization and usage in her husband's ongoing title--which has yet to be retitled to include her name, by the way. That could possibly be the reason this "everyone" might be more inclined to support a Storm ongoing if it were sans Black Panther.

That's just a guess.

Well, the title of the book is Black Panther...which happens to be Shuri...not, "Black Panther, T'Challa and Storm"...so I can understand the limited role she currently (and momentarily) plays.

[Umbra]

Storm has been around for 35 years and has never had an ongoing solo series. I doubt her 3 year marriage to T'Challa is what's been keeping her from having an ongoing series all this time.

Worlds Apart proved that there can be Storm-centric stories that are great while she is still married.

All she needs for a good ongoing solo series is a writer who cares about her (Yost), a good artist, a solid push from Marvel (which I think she's actually been getting the past few years), and for her fans to actually support the title.

Thank you. Its really tiresome.

The same folk would have her with anyone, but T'challa. Why? LOL
It's sad even.

BP does not need a title change (though i would not oppose it)...fans need to support Storm..so we can have a book call Storm focused on her.

The marriage has nothing to do with it...next time please just buy her book. It's simple. I still don't understand why her book was not supported.

any how...I'm glad to her that there are some huge plans for both Black Panther and Storm.:biggrin: :eek:

[Deus ex Chris]

So why in the world was she not supported in her mini's before Black Panther?
This is why the that is really B.S. excuse.

Even if it was retitled, you would still have folks who would not support regardless. I'm not saying you (because you did by Worlds Apart), but some would not support. Black Panther has nothing to do with it. Really that is so lame it's a joke. It's the same with Wonder Woman. Fans talk big, but will not support her.

Again, Marvel, Axel Alonso, Maberry and others in charge don't agree.
I'm only referring to a specific group of posters on this board, who were all turned off by the poor use of Storm immediately before, during, and after the marriage. I have no real knowledge of what motivates the consumers at large, but I imagine it's that Storm's popularity is tied directly to the X-Men. For many, she works best as a member of the ensemble. Being that she's my favorite superhero, I would support the hell out of an ongoing. However, I can see why some people would not.

[Umbra]

umbra doesn't believe any of the rest of us bought worlds apart.

I'm not saying you didn't. I'm saying that where are all these fans. I know I brought 6 plus copies of each issue and the Trade.

The sales were just not there. I remember Yost even saying it. I was pissed off.
Understand that Storm is also my favorite character. Buying 6 copies was expensive. I know others who did the same.

I want to see her with her own book, but unless fans actually buy her stuff it will not happen.

[Jess C.H.]

We have a handful of posters that just get whipped up into a frenzy whenever someone says they dont like the Black Panther/Storm union. And to say "everyone" is saying get her away from BP is just another overreaction. The truth is that the "powers that be" at Marvel are the ultimate decidng factor on whether she gets her own solo or not. I think they are totally missing that Storms Queen status, and her recent ties to the Fantastic Four, coupled with her rich history in the X-men can provide for many, many interesting sotrylines. She can definitely carry her own solo title. They just need to wake up.

[Umbra]

I'm only referring to a specific group of posters on this board, who were all turned off by the poor use of Storm immediately before, during, and after the marriage. I have no real knowledge of what motivates the consumers at large, but I imagine it's that Storm's popularity is tied directly to the X-Men. For many, she works best as a member of the ensemble. Being that she's my favorite superhero, I would support the hell out of an ongoing. However, I can see why some people would not.

I don't get it. Specific poster are a very small number of people. Fans would support the hell out of anything that was written good. Yost World Apart was awesome. She was also written very well in that first arc of BP. She will appear in a cartoon where she will be basically the co-star, and she may even be a co-star of a freaking novel. This is all after the BP.

The excuse are really getting lame.

[Kasper Cole]

umbra doesn't believe any of the rest of us bought worlds apart.

Obviously some of the people who post here have bought the Worlds Apart mini. I just think the idea that Storm would have this awesome critically acclaimed ongoing if not for her marriage to Black Panther is silly considering they've only been married for 3 years and Storm has NEVER had an ongoing in her entire existence.

All she needs is a great creative team and a legit push from Marvel.

[Umbra]

We have a handful of posters that just get whipped up into a frenzy whenever someone says they dont like the Black Panther/Storm union. And to say "everyone" is saying get her away from BP is just another overreaction. The truth is that the "powers that be" at Marvel are the ultimate decidng factor on whether she gets her own solo or not. I think they are totally missing that Storms Queen status, and her recent ties to the Fantastic Four, coupled with her rich history in the X-men can provide for many, many interesting sotrylines. She can definitely carry her own solo title. They just need to wake up.

The writer of the her last mini said it was sales. Point blank, and he said it on this forum.

[AcesX1X]

i would support a storm/namor marriage. or a storm/doom marriage.

[Deus ex Chris]

Well, the title of the book is Black Panther...which happens to be Shuri...not, "Black Panther, T'Challa and Storm"...so I can understand the limited role she currently (and momentarily) plays.
Things are different now. She's back with X-Men, and she plays a supporting role in Black Panther. That's fine, I guess. However, when the marriage happened, she was pulled out of the X-Men books by Joe Quesada himself, added to the cast of Black Panther, and that's it. She wasn't elevated by the change in status quo at all, and the writing certainly didn't do her any justice. Mayberry's doing a good job, though, and I look forward to seeing what he has in store for Storm.

[Umbra]

Things are different now. She's back with X-Men, and she plays a supporting role in Black Panther. That's fine, I guess. However, when the marriage happened, she was pulled out of the X-Men books by Joe Quesada himself, added to the cast of Black Panther, and that's it. She wasn't elevated by the change in status quo at all, and the writing certainly didn't do her any justice. Mayberry's doing a good job, though, and I look forward to seeing what he has in store for Storm.

He says he is going to focus on her being a "goddess"