Bruce *and* Dick as Batmen in the future?

[Buried Alien]

At some point, Bruce Wayne will return as Batman. The expectation is that at that point, Dick Grayson will vacate the role of Batman and either return to being Nightwing or take on yet another new superhero identity.

Is there a possibility, however, that after Bruce returns as Batman...Dick will *also* continue operating as Batman? There has never been a time when two legitimate Batmen (discounting AzBats and other pretenders) were operating simultaneously in the same universe, but precedent exists in the Flash side of things, wherein we currently have three Flashes not counting Bart Allen. Is the concept of dual Batmen worth exploring?

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[Global Honored]

Dick Grayson dies!

[Nathan]

Dick Grayson dies!

yip , thats pretty much where the story will go and Damien will learn a lesson fromit and change his attitude, where else can Dick go, i want him as Nightwing again but some fans see that as a step back

[Buried Alien]

yip , thats pretty much where the story will go and Damien will learn a lesson fromit and change his attitude, where else can Dick go, i want him as Nightwing again but some fans see that as a step back

It makes very little business sense to eliminate an immensely popular character. The net effect is that potential customers would have one fewer reason for buying DC books.

From a business perspective, killing off Dick Grayson would be sheer folly.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[Disciple_of_the_Bat]

It makes very little business sense to eliminate an immensely popular character. The net effect is that potential customers would have one fewer reason for buying DC books.

From a business perspective, killing off Dick Grayson would be sheer folly.



Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

As opposed to killing off Bruce Wayne, Clark Kent, Oliver Queen, Hal Jordan,......

[Buried Alien]

As opposed to killing off Bruce Wayne, Clark Kent, Oliver Queen, Hal Jordan,......

But you see, each of those "dead" characters eventually returned...and except in the case of Hal Jordan, possibly, each of those returns was foreordained.

By killing Dick Grayson, we're assuming that it's one of those rare, long-term killings (i.e. sticks either forever or at least for decades)...not something done for a stunt and reversed within a year or two. That wouldn't actually be "killing" Dick Grayson; that'd be shelving him until DC figures out what to do with him next. Not the same thing.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[Vidocq]

At some point, Bruce Wayne will return as Batman. The expectation is that at that point, Dick Grayson will vacate the role of Batman and either return to being Nightwing or take on yet another new superhero identity.

Is there a possibility, however, that after Bruce returns as Batman...Dick will *also* continue operating as Batman? There has never been a time when two legitimate Batmen (discounting AzBats and other pretenders) were operating simultaneously in the same universe, but precedent exists in the Flash side of things, wherein we currently have three Flashes not counting Bart Allen. Is the concept of dual Batmen worth exploring?

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

Honestly, I really don't like this idea. It seems way to fanfic-ky for my taste. But, in good hands it may turn out to be really good or really, really bad..

[carabas]

As opposed to killing off Bruce Wayne, Clark Kent, Oliver Queen, Hal Jordan,......
Bruce Wayne has never been killed.

[matthewaos]

It makes very little business sense to eliminate an immensely popular character. The net effect is that potential customers would have one fewer reason for buying DC books.

From a business perspective, killing off Dick Grayson would be sheer folly.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

If I remember right, they were going to kill him during Infinite Crisis.

[Buried Alien]

If I remember right, they were going to kill him during Infinite Crisis.

And changed their minds when they realized that it would not be a good idea at all.

It was a "WTF were we thinking?!" moment.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[FailureByDesign]

And changed their minds when they realized that it would not be a good idea at all.

It was a "WTF were we thinking?!" moment.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

Exactly. Since then DC has opened its eyes to what a mistake that would have been, hell Batman Reborn being such a success bigger than DC expected shows just how much. After "killing" Bruce, they wouldn't then go on to kill Dick after he has been built up more than ever, thats just an insult to readers.

I agree that maybe Dick Grayson may be bigger than the role of Nightwing, but the prospect of two batman's would just totally undermine the character as a whole. Dick can be Nightwing but he would need to show real growth as a hero since his latest experience as batman i.e potential to be Bruce's equal and a major hero in his own right.

[BloodOps]

I'm sorry but Batmen is a terrible idea.

I also see Dick(sadly) getting killed off by none other but the Joker.

[FailureByDesign]

I'm sorry but Batmen is a terrible idea.

I also see Dick(sadly) getting killed off by none other but the Joker.

If Dick was to die, which i doubt, it would probably be by Morrison's hand and so i would guess Dr Hurt would kill him..Joker doesnt need the push, he already has a robin death under his belt..

[nightw1ng]

i hope when/if he goes back to Nightwing, he uses the same costume he's been using this past decade. dick's had some awful costumes but that one was a classic and one of my favorite costumes ever.

[HopeLantern]

Unless Morrison's been lying this entire time, it's my expectation that Dick is killed and it's Damien's fault somehow. Personally, I would love for a Nightwing, Vol. 2 type of book, but that's looking doubtful.

[matthewaos]

I almost sure that Didio told in an interview that they understood what a mistake would be killing him, and now they are going to upgrade him to icon status. I am not convinced that he is THE Batman. But I would love to see him as Nightwing again.

[Captain Jim]

At some point, Bruce Wayne will return as Batman. The expectation is that at that point, Dick Grayson will vacate the role of Batman and either return to being Nightwing or take on yet another new superhero identity.

Is there a possibility, however, that after Bruce returns as Batman...Dick will *also* continue operating as Batman? There has never been a time when two legitimate Batmen (discounting AzBats and other pretenders) were operating simultaneously in the same universe, but precedent exists in the Flash side of things, wherein we currently have three Flashes not counting Bart Allen. Is the concept of dual Batmen worth exploring?

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

What? Not a single person likes Buried's idea? I had to think about it for a moment, but I think it could have potential, in the hands of the right writer.

Unless Morrison's been lying this entire time, it's my expectation that Dick is killed and it's Damien's fault somehow. Personally, I would love for a Nightwing, Vol. 2 type of book, but that's looking doubtful.

"This entire time"? Where is this even hinted other than Batman #666. A story in which this is implicit, not explicit and a story that most everyone is calling a "possible future."

[Damiean Dark]

They wold never permanently kill off Grayson, be assured he will return to the comfort of HIS hero persona of Nightwing when Bruce Wayne returns.

And the idea of Batmen stinks imo i have always said he isnt a legacy character the one true batman is the scientist,detective,hero with the obessive drive we all know this is the guy the criminals and some supervillians crap thier pants at when they hear his name and is the reason why Grayson is pretending to be Bruces Bat.

[matthewaos]

Though Batman has no special power, except training it would seem easier to replace him, but I also think that he is not a legacy character, like, say, captain america.

[Jim Thompson]

I am not convinced that he is THE Batman. I am. What they are doing with Grayson right now has completely won me over. He is Batman.

[matthewaos]

I am. What they are doing with Grayson right now has completely won me over. He is Batman.

To be honest, I'm not reading Batman or Batman and Robin, so I guess you are right and I will shut up:wink:

[Jenos]

Honestly I expect Dick to give up the mantle and go back to tottering around as Nightwing. He doesn't WANT to be Batman, he NEEDS to be Batman. But Dick has never desired to be Batman, even after the events of BftC, he just recognizes that the need for Batman outweighs his own opinion.

So if he has an option to go back to being Nightwing with Bruce retaking the Mantle, I fully expect him to do that.

[BloodOps]

but I also think that he is not a legacy character, like, say, captain america.

I completely disagree with this. Even if you don't read Batman I don't see how anyone can say he isn't a legacy, icon or whatever character?

[nightwing45]

The big problem I see here with what Morrison is done is that many of Batman's rogues knows how he acts and they know how the first Robin acted; how much of a performer he was. It won't take a rocket scientist to put two and two together that the first Robin is pretending to be the Batman, and as such the smarter, clever Batman rogues would be doing everything to undermine what Dick is trying to do.

I think that is why Morrison opted out of using Batman's familiar rogues because he would have wrote himself into a corner of stupidity. Beside that, I have no faith he can write the likes of the Riddler, etc.

[Duy]

It makes very little business sense to eliminate an immensely popular character. The net effect is that potential customers would have one fewer reason for buying DC books.

From a business perspective, killing off Dick Grayson would be sheer folly.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

Perfectly worded.

As opposed to killing off Bruce Wayne, Clark Kent, Oliver Queen, Hal Jordan,......

Two of those were clear publicity stunts, another was a character whose lustre had been dying down, and another one is clearly not as popular as Dick Grayson.


I am. What they are doing with Grayson right now has completely won me over. He is Batman.

He's so much more fun to read than Bruce, honestly.

[Dr. Chaos]

Doubt it.

Dick is either Nightwing and DC gives him a new ongoing or he's dead for dramatic effect and back in two years/that old schtick.

In any case, hopefully his dynamic with Robin (Damian) will continue. It would seem like a shame to see the new dynamic duo broken up within just a year or so but I wouldn't really complain as long as Bruce keeps his son as his badass ninja sidekick.

Now that Robin is starting to simmer down abit with the murderous intent, I'd like to see how they would work together now. Things were kind of crazy between them all when Bruce was still alive.

[Series5Ranger]

Why not just go the "Batman Beyond" Route and leave Dick as Batman, and put Bruce in the Mentor / support role when he comes back.

[Mulbard]

Why not just go the "Batman Beyond" Route and leave Dick as Batman, and put Bruce in the Mentor / support role when he comes back.
This could happen temporarily and the...



Dick is either Nightwing and DC gives him a new ongoing or he's dead for dramatic effect and back in two years/that old schtick.


Will Damian still be Robin after all this? Indication is that he will be for a while, although I'll miss Tim being Robin (although it does seem Time has "grown out" of the Robin role perhaps). Will there be a replacement Nightwing? I've heard people say they want a Cass or Tim Nightwing.

[Rocket13]

I'm still hoping that Damian will just go away when Bruce comes back. He really doesn't belong with the rest of the Batman cast in my opinion. Also hoping that Dick goes back to being Nightwing. When Bruce comes back will he lurk in the shadows for a while before making his presence known?

[DetectiveDupin]

The big problem I see here with what Morrison is done is that many of Batman's rogues knows how he acts and they know how the first Robin acted; how much of a performer he was. It won't take a rocket scientist to put two and two together that the first Robin is pretending to be the Batman, and as such the smarter, clever Batman rogues would be doing everything to undermine what Dick is trying to do.

I think that is why Morrison opted out of using Batman's familiar rogues because he would have wrote himself into a corner of stupidity. Beside that, I have no faith he can write the likes of the Riddler, etc.

Geez, you really hate the guy sooo much it impairs your ability to see that he's adding to the mythos, other than rehashing the same beat em up stories that have been circulating throughout the years? Morrison has created more than 1000 characters, and it has just made the titles he writes that much richer. You're obviously enjoying Winick's Batman. Morrison can't write the Riddler? I'm extremely sure he can. I like all the new villains he's created and old ones he's used that have barely been seen. The guy cleaned up a lot of continuity issues, touched upon stories that were largely ignored, and is giving Batman a slew of new foes and characters. Stop using stupid reasons to bash on him.



As for my own thoughts on this matter, I expect Morrison himself will kill Damian at the end of his 5-part story. I do not think Dick will die at all, he will most likely go back to being Nightwing. Morrison has said he wanted to explore the side of Bruce not being Batman for awhile, so I think Dick and Damian's adventures will last a little longer than expected, if Bruce is supposed to return by issue 12.

[Kiryu]

This picture always made me think of "Batmen" being in the future for the book.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/MFS3Kiryu/Batmen.jpg

[froinlaven]

I doubt we'll see two Batmen at once in continuity, but I guess we should just wait until this summer when DC brings back Bruce Wayne.

(wishful thinking)

[Ninja Man-Bats]

two Batmans is too much. then he's not special. it should be reserved for the winner of combat, like Highlander for the bat, and the loser has to become another identity and wear a really embrassing costume for a while

[the Hornet]

I still think that when Bruce returns, Damian wont be his Robin. Damian as Robin works with Dick as Batman only because their personalities clash well. Bruce and Damian will be too much Bruce and Jason again. I vote for Damian continue being Dick's sidekick no matter where Dick ends up.

[Jorriss]

I still think that when Bruce returns, Damian wont be his Robin. Damian as Robin works with Dick as Batman only because their personalities clash well. Bruce and Damian will be too much Bruce and Jason again. I vote for Damian continue being Dick's sidekick no matter where Dick ends up.
That's a good idea. As Batman it is expected Robin be his sidekick but Dick Grayson as Nightwing was skilled enough to train a partner long before he was Batman.

[DetectiveDupin]

I still think that when Bruce returns, Damian wont be his Robin. Damian as Robin works with Dick as Batman only because their personalities clash well. Bruce and Damian will be too much Bruce and Jason again. I vote for Damian continue being Dick's sidekick no matter where Dick ends up.

Same here. Bruce fit very well with Tim and Dick, but Damian and Dick have a better dynamic. It's almost sort of what Bruce had with Dick.

[Lorendiac]

Bruce Wayne has never been killed.

That question came up a few years ago on another forum. Here's what I said on the subject:

***************

I'm not even counting the death of the Golden Age Batman in the 1970s, nor any Elseworlds story in which a Batman of another timeline died.

Here's what I came up with:

1. The JLA story arc "The Obsidian Age," written by Joe Kelly. Several members of the JLA get killed during a trip to the distant past. Including Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman.

Of course, by the time it's all over, they've been magically brought back to life in the present day.

2. The graphic novel "Batman: Birth of the Demon," written by Denny O'Neil in the early 1990s (in the days when Denny was the editor in charge of Batman's continuity, and he sure didn't feel the need to label it "Elseworlds" or anything like that).

Much of this novel is flashback sequences filling us in on the origin story of Ra's al Ghul -- whom Denny had created a couple of decades earlier -- showing us the days when Ra's (not yet using that name) was just another hard-working, clean-living physician in an (unnamed, I think) city somewhere in North Africa, hundreds of years ago. But some of the scenes are set "in modern times" as Batman and Ra's clash. Toward the end of the novel, Batman takes a mortal injury. Then, as I recall, he falls into a convenient Lazarus Pit, which automatically does what Lazarus Pits do best and raises him from the dead, good as new!

3. Toward the end of the "Emperor Joker" arc (several years ago in the Superman titles -- now available in a TPB collection), we learned that Joker had been using his godlike powers to torture Batman to death every night, then bring him back to life so that he could do it all over again tomorrow night, and so forth. I don't think we ever got an exact count (earlier today I quickly glanced through a TPB collection to refresh my memory, but I didn't read the whole thing cover-to-cover and I may have missed something), but it appeared it must have happened dozens of times.

After the Joker had been depowered, Superman and The Spectre talked about Batman's situation. He was on the verge of mental collapse because of the accumulated horror of his clear memories of all the awful things Joker had done to him, over and over and over . . . Superman finally volunteered to have those memories of everything Batman had experienced during the "Emperor Joker" events be cut-and-pasted from Batman's brain to Superman's, so that Batman wouldn't remember a thing about it and would be able to keep his sanity and stability (such as they are).

So I would say that "in modern continuity," the Batman of the regular timeline of the DCU has died and magically come back to life at least 30 or 40 times, at a bare minimum . . . but he apparently only remembers two of them! ("Obsidian Age" and "Birth of the Demon.") But just because he no longer remembers the dozens of other times doesn't mean they didn't really happen!

***************

That was what I said a long time ago. I've seen other people mention a few other times, from one decade or another, and I really ought to update my list someday to more accurately list how many times Batman -- in stories set in "regular continuity" when they were published -- has died!

[carabas]

Let me put it differently then: unlike Hal, Ollie... Bruce Wayne has never been killed in a seemingly permanent way. Always just for that one story, and in a way that made clear that there is no way that it is going to stick.

[Lorendiac]

Let me put it differently then: unlike Hal, Ollie... Bruce Wayne has never been killed in a seemingly permanent way. Always just for that one story, and in a way that made clear that there is no way that it is going to stick.

I'll tell you frankly: I never believed any of Hal's deaths were going to stick. And while I didn't pay much attention to the Green Arrow title of the 1990s, I don't remember feeling overwhelmed by shock when I heard that Ollie was coming back. So while I may vaguely see the distinction you're trying to make . . . from my personal perspective at the time, when the "epic events" and "drastic changes" of the 1990s were actually hot off the presses, it all amounted to the same thing as the Batman deaths I mentioned!

Or the death of Superman in 1992! Or, for that matter, to much the same thing as the way Bruce was stuck in a wheelchair for a year after Knightfall! In each case, I would stay pretty darn calm as I said to myself: "Ah, this is obviously just another Temporary Stunt!"

[CocktailXYZ]

At this point I'd love to just see Dick take over and have Bruce repositioned back into a mentor role.

Maybe I'm just enjoying the change too much (which is frightening for me because I'm typically resistant to change).

[hondobrode]

Yep, that's what I've said. Brucie comes back and they'll both be Batmen. One could be in the JLA and the other solo. Makes perfect sense to me.

[Raharu]

The problem with the idea is that it won't last if they go the route. Eventually one will win favor over the other, and the other will become the glorified replacement Batman for when writers want to use Batman, but can't for some reason or will end up in his own little corner without any real relevance outside of it. I just don't think Batman is a character that lends himself to that type of treatment. It's a bad move also, imo, since Dick should be his own character and not Batman Lite

[earl]

There are stories in both the golden age and later and a later Elseworlds where there are a 'league of batmen'.

With the right people, it could work as a story, but I don't think it would be any long lasting thing.

Damian being the Demon's grandson would never stay dead. When granddad and mom have keys to a Lazarus Pit, your not going to to be dead very long.

To be honest, I think some of these ideas are worth exploring further. It would be good to really read the Morrison story time line that is played out in Batman 666.

I'd also like to read a modern book starting from scratch with Batman anyway that follows the sequence setup.

It would also be cool to have someone do a Batman 39 story, doing a modern telling of Batman set in the time when the character was created.

[Forth World]

I'd like to see Dick continue on in a Batman-like costume and persona - but one that puts his acrobatics more on display. Something like the Batman Beyond getup.

[Godlike13]

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/3940/batman20.jpg

[daveageallen]

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/3940/batman20.jpg

wow thats pretty nice. love the colours. orange and black would be nice too.


i bet dick will do whatever bucky does with captain america, or switched around.

[Lemurion]

I think two Batmen could be an interesting possibility - and Dick Grayson isn't going anywhere as long as he's headlining the best-selling ongoing in the direct market. There were two Dick Grayson titles (one ongoing and one mini) in the top ten in both August and September: that alone is enough to keep the character around for a while.

Dick Grayson is selling too well to get rid of.

I don't know what they're going to do with him, but I would not be surprised if they keep him in the cowl for longer than a year. Even then they're probably not going to do more than shelve him - he's been selling better than Wolverine.

[MTL76]

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/3940/batman20.jpg

Sweet pic.

[bongoes]

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/3940/batman20.jpg
I hope when Dick eventually does become Nightwing(or not Batman) again he wears something like that.

[Duy]

I think two Batmen could be an interesting possibility - and Dick Grayson isn't going anywhere as long as he's headlining the best-selling ongoing in the direct market. There were two Dick Grayson titles (one ongoing and one mini) in the top ten in both August and September: that alone is enough to keep the character around for a while.

Dick Grayson is selling too well to get rid of.

I don't know what they're going to do with him, but I would not be surprised if they keep him in the cowl for longer than a year. Even then they're probably not going to do more than shelve him - he's been selling better than Wolverine.
Batman and Robin is I'm sure in the top 10... Which on'es the mini?

[nepenthes]

Batman and Robin is I'm sure in the top 10... Which on'es the mini?

Batman Blackest Night actually made the top ten

[elikal]

Whoa that is tough to answer. I can't imagine Bruce and Dick both being Batmen. There is only one, and that is Bruce Wayne. I hope he comes back soon.

I mean, Dick is a great Batman and I love him dearly, and I would be smitten if he died. But... I dunno... can he really just go back being Nightwing? Or some new identity? Sigh, I hope none of them dies. The events around Jason were depressing enough. But then, I can't imagine Bruce work with his son as Robin, either.

Difficult to say, but I am sure Bruce Wayne will be Batman again.

[BruceWayne]

two batmen running around gotham is a bit much.. but i am hoping that dick becomes another good character and last a long time as that character..

[Forth World]

two batmen running around gotham is a bit muchr..

It seems to be working for the hulks right now, so why not? Bet we could make it 5 or 6!

Godlike13 - That.

[Sn4tcH]

It seems to be working for the hulks right now, so why not? Bet we could make it 5 or 6!

"working" is not quite the right term I would be using to describe what's going on in the Hulk.

[nepenthes]

what if....

Damian offers himself to the devil to save Dick Graysons life...

Bruce returns and finds out and is PISSED OFF. He descends into Hell and saves his sons soul.

Bruce remains in Hell as Batman, wreaking havoc in the devils kingdom. Instead of looking for sinners on earth his mission is to rescue good people in hell and beat the hell out of demons. Dick and Damian continue as Batman and Robin on earth.

[Sn4tcH]

nepenthes... that sounds pretty good. But how does Mary Jane fit into all of this? Will Batman forget their relationship as well?

[bulletproofsponge]

At some point, Bruce Wayne will return as Batman. The expectation is that at that point, Dick Grayson will vacate the role of Batman and either return to being Nightwing or take on yet another new superhero identity.

Is there a possibility, however, that after Bruce returns as Batman...Dick will *also* continue operating as Batman? There has never been a time when two legitimate Batmen (discounting AzBats and other pretenders) were operating simultaneously in the same universe, but precedent exists in the Flash side of things, wherein we currently have three Flashes not counting Bart Allen. Is the concept of dual Batmen worth exploring?

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

I have a feeling that Dick will return to his role as nightwing. Dying however may be an option, Batman has too many sidekicks now.

[Kara Zor El]

Great idea to have both Bruce and Dick operating as Batman. Gotham is a huge city and having the caped crusader able to pop up in two places at once would add a great new dimension to storytelling. Also the new angles of their relationship that could be explored. You could go through the whole thing of them working together well and then becoming more and more distant from each other as the problems of two batmen unfold. You could get a few decent years of interesting stories from this and eventually have Grayson become something new, but Bat related. Like we have Red Robin. The Scarlet Bat or something.
I hope they do it. ultimately it'd be just a blip in the Batman legacy and would provide an intersting new dynamic for as long as it played out.

[Lemurion]

Batman Blackest Night actually made the top ten

Yep - August and September (and issue 2 placed higher than issue 1).

[Ziggy Stardust]

At some point, Bruce Wayne will return as Batman. The expectation is that at that point, Dick Grayson will vacate the role of Batman and either return to being Nightwing or take on yet another new superhero identity.

Is there a possibility, however, that after Bruce returns as Batman...Dick will *also* continue operating as Batman? There has never been a time when two legitimate Batmen (discounting AzBats and other pretenders) were operating simultaneously in the same universe, but precedent exists in the Flash side of things, wherein we currently have three Flashes not counting Bart Allen. Is the concept of dual Batmen worth exploring?

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)
Shades of the Steve/Bucky as Cap conversations.

[Darthhobbit]

I could see Joker messing up Dick in some way where he can no longer be Batman or Nightwing, maybe becoming a villain??? or just dying, or becoming a sidekick like Oracle

[Buried Alien]

I have a feeling that Dick will return to his role as nightwing. Dying however may be an option, Batman has too many sidekicks now.

Of all the ones to pare away, however, I doubt it's wise to eliminate the one with the most history, the greatest acceptance by the public, and likely the largest fan base.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[Lemurion]

Of all the ones to pare away, however, I doubt it's wise to eliminate the one with the most history, the greatest acceptance by the public, and likely the largest fan base.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

I can't see them getting rid of him either. His current sales figures are enough to keep him around a long while.

[Lorendiac]

Of all the ones to pare away, however, I doubt it's wise to eliminate the one with the most history, the greatest acceptance by the public, and likely the largest fan base.

But that seems to assume that he would actually be "eliminated" on some sort of "permanent" basis. The long histories and large fanbases of Clark and Bruce and Diana have never protected them from being killed, right? So why shouldn't Dick get Equal Opportunity to die dramatically and then return? :wink:

(That attitude is the main reason I stayed calm when the rumor leaked out, a few years ago, that Dan DiDio had originally been pushing for Dick Grayson to "die" during "Infinite Crisis." My basic attitude was: "So what if they had stuck to that plan? No harm done! He'd recover eventually!")

[AiyokuSama]

Great idea to have both Bruce and Dick operating as Batman. Gotham is a huge city and having the caped crusader able to pop up in two places at once would add a great new dimension to storytelling. Also the new angles of their relationship that could be explored.

I could see it happening. I doubt it would be a permanent arrangement, but it would make sense as a temporary thing while Bruce gets back in fighting form. Especially if another large scale catastrophe hits Gotham.

It would certainly be a lot of fun to read.

[Buried Alien]

But that seems to assume that he would actually be "eliminated" on some sort of "permanent" basis. The long histories and large fanbases of Clark and Bruce and Diana have never protected them from being killed, right? So why shouldn't Dick get Equal Opportunity to die dramatically and then return? :wink:

(That attitude is the main reason I stayed calm when the rumor leaked out, a few years ago, that Dan DiDio had originally been pushing for Dick Grayson to "die" during "Infinite Crisis." My basic attitude was: "So what if they had stuck to that plan? No harm done! He'd recover eventually!")

Yeah, but my concern (now that Barry Allen is back) is that they'd kill off Dick Grayson so he can be their "new dead Barry Allen"...a character who stays dead for so long that entire generations of comics readers pass before he returns. It took Barry five U.S. presidential administrations to get back into publication. I fear that if Dick is killed off for the reasons given, they'd keep him away at least as long as they kept Barry away.

Yes, dead comics characters are frequently revived, but if you're a fan, you get a little nervous if the character might become a candidate for the extended "Barry Allen Style" death that lasts at least as long as the time it takes for a newborn baby to grow up and get a Master's degree. Not *all* of them make it back within three to five years.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[Captain Jim]

what if....

Damian offers himself to the devil to save Dick Graysons life...

Bruce returns and finds out and is PISSED OFF. He descends into Hell and saves his sons soul.

Bruce remains in Hell as Batman, wreaking havoc in the devils kingdom. Instead of looking for sinners on earth his mission is to rescue good people in hell and beat the hell out of demons. Dick and Damian continue as Batman and Robin on earth.

Ugh! :frown:

[DrewC]

All this seems very reminiscent of the Bart Allen as Flash and subsequent death and return storylines. It's been done before and it sucked.

[Kiryu]

All this seems very reminiscent of the Bart Allen as Flash and subsequent death and return storylines. It's been done before and it sucked.

Yeah well thats the rub with superhero comics. Change can be exciting and open up new stories but can never ever last. To be honest the Bart = Flash = Dead = Back calamity was just a disaster of epic proportions handled by C-List writers and then his return was shoved into a Legion story alongside another Titans revival in a story with not enough room to handle everything it tried to do. The whole thing was a poorly executed mess through and through.

Here at least there seems to be some semblance of a plan with Grant Morrison at the head and not just whatever writer is available to kill and revive the characters.

[Lemurion]

All this seems very reminiscent of the Bart Allen as Flash and subsequent death and return storylines. It's been done before and it sucked.

But Dick Grayson is getting much better creative teams and doing very well in sales.

[gwor]

I wish they'd simply shunt off Dick, Donna, Wally, and others to one of the 52 earths.

Let them be Batman, WW, and Flash over there, and simplify the currently bogged-down-in-continuity New Earth (or whatever it's called these days)...

[Munkiman]

Nah, he'll become Nightwing again, or else possibly take on a new identity that's closer to his Bat-roots? I dunno. But he's certainly not going to stay as a Batman, he took the role not because of a "oh sweet I get to be Batman now" mentality but more of a "well, someone's gotta do it".