X-Force #19 aka Agent Morales is Awesome - Review and Spoilers

[Hi-Fi]

So....

I've been bitching about this arc, pretty much because of the last issue and how it ended. I'm happy to say now that I am stupid and wrong. This was a fantastic issue, filled with good action and fun interactions and my love for the book is back and stronger than ever!

Let me begin by saying Agent Morales is amazing. Chris and Craig came up with a really fun new character, that I hope will hang around after this arc ends. She doesn't take crap, and she proves to be here one hell of a woman. She also gets great funny lines, specially when interacting with X-23.

After rejecting an offer to join the Facility, Morales gets rid of her "HAMMER" captor, puts a bullet in Kimura and helps Laura (holding her arm, can't let the Facility get it!) escape. Kimura is RIGHT behing them, though. Alive.

Back at San Fran, Loa, Nori and Jullian watch over Elixir while Cyclops talks to Dr. Nemesis about the dude's chances. Yes. Dr. Nemesis. Cyclops doesnt wanna get Beast's help. Julian wants to go with Wolverine after Laura, but Cyclops won't let him.

Which brings us to Wolverine and Domino forcing the Cuckoos to find Laura via Cerebro. But the Cuckoos are like "We can't find her. Whatever. She's probably dead already". Domino then points her gun to one of the Cuckoos head and says something like "Well, if you don't find her, my hand will 'accidentally' make my gun shoot and it will 'accidentally' kill you. LOL. Funniest scene ever. The Cuckoos then finally find... Rahne!

Rahne and the Prince just won the battle, by the way! But then Rahne strangely collapses.

Selene has a new guest. Her Inner Circle brings in... Irene Adler aka Destiny.

Meanwhile, Morales and Laura find themselves stuck in a room full of... that substance that makes X-23 goes WILD in a KILLING SPREE. Oh-Oh.

Action packed issue full of fun little moments! Get yours!

[Nyssane]

The X-23 parts bore me (SORRY RG). I kind of hope Kimura dies soon so we never have to see her again.

Destiny was badass, though.

[psycwave]

Domino is such a bitch.

Destiny! <3

[Prodigy55]

I hope the Cuckoos KILL Domino.

[Talisman]

OH MAH GAWD! DESTINY'S BACK! HELL YEAH! Now that means Mysty can stop chasing after flaming homo Iceman! Her true love is back!

[worstblogever]

OH MAH GAWD! DESTINY'S BACK! HELL YEAH! Now that means Mysty can stop chasing after flaming homo Iceman! Her true love is back!

And Destiny thought Forge was the one for Raven.

Pssht. Yeah. Precognition failed on that one, Irene. That was scarcely even a fling.

[Hi-Fi]

Oh, and Mike Choi's art is flawless as usual. His Selene is beautiful and so is his Loa (thanks, C& C! I knew she was still on your minds and hearts!).

[alf_to_the_rescue]

Destiny Scans Plz.

[Talisman]

And Destiny thought Forge was the one for Raven.

Pssht. Yeah. Precognition failed on that one, Irene. That was scarcely even a fling.

LOL. It wasn't that. Destiny wanted to be the only one who got Mysty peen. She tried to steer her away from Bobsondick.

[chickrockguitar]

Oh my Wow! Tomorrow is SOOOO far away. *cries*

[drwho]

How did destiny ever have legs like these when she has always been an old lady?

http://marvel.com/universe3zx/images/f/fd/Destiny.jpeg

[The Big G]

*Cyke tells everyone that Laura is missing*

Julian thinks to himself: You know i have some unresolved issues with Laura which will probably end with us having sex. Now if she's gone i wont get laid. Maybe if i go rescue her she'll say "Oh Julian your my hero take me im yours forever." Excellent. Nothing can stop my plan.

J: Let me help you save Laura!

Wolverine attempts to answer but Cyke says: No Julian.

Julian and Wolverine think to themselves: Summers is such a cock block.

I'm srry i had to take a shot at Julian even though im a Julian fan.

Cant wait to read the issue though

[frog]

So how much longer does Cyclops think he can keep X-Force from everyone else?

[Talisman]

How did destiny ever have legs like these when she has always been an old lady?

http://marvel.com/universe3zx/images/f/fd/Destiny.jpeg

She's from the Tina Turner skool of killer legs at 80.

[Mia]

The X-23 parts bore me (SORRY RG). I kind of hope Kimura dies soon so we never have to see her again.


Where's my apology?:biggrin: Actually considering the fact that there was no preview. I thought that we would be in for a juicy issue. But it was pretty much by the numbers. Nothing new exposition wise on Laura. Though I love it to see that she still can keep her head (no pun intended) and keep her focus on the job.

I hope the Cuckoos KILL Domino.

LOL! That was the best bit for me! I was never a fan of Neena. But I have to admit that she's grown on me. Love her loyalty to Laura. I changed my mind and think she'll be an excellent 'big sister' to her.


The art work was great. Sadly Hellion is still alive. But hope springs eternal!

[frog]

So these events are definitely taking place before Utopia and at the moment Beast does not know about X-Force. (I'm not surprised Dr. Nemesis wouldn't be bothered.) If it turns out that Beast has learned that Cyclops didn't let him help Elixir it'll be a wonder if he doesn't leave.

[The Big G]

Sadly Hellion is still alive. But hope springs eternal!

Oh Mia, how come you forget Julian's second mutant power: the ability to survive just about every near death experience he comes across?

[RickyD410]

This was another awesome issue. Agent Morales is badass. And super cool. It was nice to see her and Laura bond with some girl talk. And ooooman I wonder if Megan is coming back! That would be awesome.

I hope Julian and Loa and Surge get to help rescue Laura. Or at least Julian. I wonder if he might just not listen to Cyke and do it anyway. I really want Elixir to wake up so we can see how he's changed. And cus I want him in action again. And so we can learn what Hope is.

Selene scene was awesome. I'm curious now as to what Bastion is still planning. As usual, the Rahne scene bored me to tears. I was kinda hoping the Frost Giants would win.

[Robbiebob_16]

This was another awesome issue. Agent Morales is badass. And super cool. It was nice to see her and Laura bond with some girl talk. And ooooman I wonder if Megan is coming back! That would be awesome.

I hope Julian and Loa and Surge get to help rescue Laura. Or at least Julian. I wonder if he might just not listen to Cyke and do it anyway. I really want Elixir to wake up so we can see how he's changed. And cus I want him in action again. And so we can learn what Hope is.

Selene scene was awesome. I'm curious now as to what Bastion is still planning. As usual, the Rahne scene bored me to tears. I was kinda hoping the Frost Giants would win.
You got that right about Rahne! Love everybody else and love this book, but she is dry as dust and then some. Domino is great by the way. I love how dedicated the entire team is about finding Laura. Can't wait to see some Loa too! I'm excited about Choi's rendering of her!

[Mia]

Sorry forgot to mention this. Wolverine's line to the Cuckoo's about not giving up on fiding Laura because she'd never give up on finding them was so spot on. I was rather impressed.

[Anna]

I'm wondering why the Cuckoos were willing to give up so easily in the first place.

[frog]

I'm wondering why the Cuckoos were willing to give up so easily in the first place.

They are supposed to have diamond hearts, therefore emotionless and devoid of empathy for their fellow X-Men.

Depending on who is writing, of course.

[The Big G]

They are supposed to have diamond hearts, therefore emotionless and devoid of empathy for their fellow X-Men.

Depending on who is writing, of course.

That and their jealous of Laura

[chrissstopher]

Yeah, they never give up on X... but clearly gave up on Wolfsbane, lol. When the Cuckoos were like "we found Wolfsbane," Wolverine was all "who?"

[Jmacq1]

Yeah, they never give up on X... but clearly gave up on Wolfsbane, lol. When the Cuckoos were like "we found Wolfsbane," Wolverine was all "who?"

Didn't Wolfsbane leave on her own, though?

In other words, did they really have a reason to be looking for her?

And why do I have the sudden feeling that Rahne may be having a litter of puppies in the near future?

[Mia]

They are supposed to have diamond hearts, therefore emotionless and devoid of empathy for their fellow X-Men.


Hmmmm...good point. I just chalked it up them being lazy and selfish. I guess it's why I applauded Domino's actions.

[worstblogever]

So these events are definitely taking place before Utopia and at the moment Beast does not know about X-Force. (I'm not surprised Dr. Nemesis wouldn't be bothered.) If it turns out that Beast has learned that Cyclops didn't let him help Elixir it'll be a wonder if he doesn't leave.

Beast knows about X-Force, frog. He found out when he had to make the time-travel device for them for Messiah War. And he was not pleased. That's why he's not involved, here, more than likely. He's pissed Cyclops' hit squad went on that mission, with his device, and it put Elixir, a kid, in a coma.

[frog]

Beast knows about X-Force, frog. He found out when he had to make the time-travel device for them for Messiah War. And he was not pleased. That's why he's not involved, here, more than likely. He's pissed Cyclops' hit squad went on that mission, with his device, and it put Elixir, a kid, in a coma.

He knew they were sent after Bishop and the kid, but did he know they are essentially a hit squad? I thought Cyclops had managed to keep the other missions under wraps.

[worstblogever]

He knew they were sent after Bishop and the kid, but did he know they are essentially a hit squad? I thought Cyclops had managed to keep the other missions under wraps.

He knew enough to say what he did in Uncanny (the edge of the bed bit that led into Dark X-Men: The Confession) prior to his own mission into time with the X-Club, before Utopia. He's known.

[frog]

He knew enough to say what he did in Uncanny (the edge of the bed bit that led into Dark X-Men: The Confession) prior to his own mission into time with the X-Club, before Utopia. He's known.
I always had the impression that he's had his suspicions but still wasn't aware of the full scope of things.

[worstblogever]

I always had the impression that he's had his suspicions but still wasn't aware of the full scope of things.

Mama McCoy didn't raise no dummy, yo.

[Justin K.]

Who knew Bastion had a nice ass...

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/justinkos91/BastionfromBehind.jpg

[Grunty]

Sounds good so far, still have to read it myself.

I guess what i assumed about Morales was right, she only wanted to finish the job of capturing X-23 and didn't cared about the changes in SHIELD, until it was over.

Now let's just hope she get's away too.

[worstblogever]

Who knew Bastion had a nice ass...

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/justinkos91/BastionfromBehind.jpg

Iceman, I'd wager. He got a close look during Operation: Zero Tolerance. Few other X-Men have seen Bastion with a body, and not just a head. Maybe Jubilee.

[chrissstopher]

So how much longer does Cyclops think he can keep X-Force from everyone else?

All the others know is that Wolverine has a squad... just like Cannonball has a squad. They don't know that they're called X-Force nor do they know what kind of missions X-Force goes on. There's no reason to suspect anything out of the ordinary.

[Hakael]

Nice to see Loa, Surge and Hellion keeping an eye on Josh while recovers. I wonder if he'll remember anything when he wakes up? Happy to see that Hellion was suited up in the red/black and ready to go help rescue Laura. Even happier to see him argue a little after being told no.

I don't expect him bursting through the roof of Utopia after her though, at least not while he thinks Logan's on it.

As for Bastion and Selene, I'm curious to see how badly Necrosha messes with Bastion's endgame plans...

[The Big G]

I don't expect him bursting through the roof of Utopia after her though, at least not while he thinks Logan's on it.

Remember this is set before Utopia so their still in the Graymalkin building.

As for him going off to save her...it would go against his character if he didnt burst through the roof to go and save her.

Remember Julian has a tendency to make very rash decisions and go against Cyke and Emma's orders.

[Hakael]

Remember this is set before Utopia so their still in the Graymalkin building.

As for him going off to save her...it would go against his character if he didnt burst through the roof to go and save her.

Remember Julian has a tendency to make very rash decisions and go against Cyke and Emma's orders.

No, they're not. They're in Utopia. It says so, and Pierce is in Danger's VR prison.
I'd love to have the continuity make sense, but I'm not going to think too hard about it.

[The Big G]

No, they're not. They're in Utopia. It says so, and Pierce is in Danger's VR prison.
I'd love to have the continuity make sense, but I'm not going to think too hard about it.

Just when i thought i had the continuity figured out.... sigh

oh well some much trying to make sense of it all....i need a beer.

[Justin K.]

Just when i thought i had the continuity figured out.... sigh

oh well some much trying to make sense of it all....i need a beer.

Time paradoxes that were fixed at the end of Messiah War?

[Hakael]

Well, not really. The time issue is with X-23, Hellion, and Elixir.

X-23 was captured right as she got back from Messiah War, yet appears in Utopia multiple times. In X-Force, she is currently still captured while the X-Men are on Utopia, something that only happened at the end of that crossover after she appeared.

Elixir is out of commission since healing Surge, he appears a few times in Utopia as well. Also, Hellion has to somehow start a riot and get arrested by Emma and her Dark X-Men in between getting rescued and where we see him here.

I'll just ignore the minor points of Utopia, because X-Force, despite these little issues, is a better story...

[chrissstopher]

Well, not really. The time issue is with X-23, Hellion, and Elixir.

X-23 was captured right as she got back from Messiah War, yet appears in Utopia multiple times. In X-Force, she is currently still captured while the X-Men are on Utopia, something that only happened at the end of that crossover after she appeared.

Elixir is out of commission since healing Surge, he appears a few times in Utopia as well. Also, Hellion has to somehow start a riot and get arrested by Emma and her Dark X-Men in between getting rescued and where we see him here.

I'll just ignore the minor points of Utopia, because X-Force, despite these little issues, is a better story...

Yah... they should still be in Graymalkin Ind. at this point, and not Utopia... I'm guessing editorial just didnt pick that up... which is disappointing.

[ClanAskani]

Yost & Kyle completely redeem themselves with this issue after Dark X-Men: The Confession last week. Great issue.

It's really fantastic how they can integrate characters like Loa, Surge and Hellion in.

[chrissstopher]

Yost & Kyle completely redeem themselves with this issue after Dark X-Men: The Confession last week. Great issue.

It's really fantastic how they can integrate characters like Loa, Surge and Hellion in.

I think X-Force (and New Mutants) do the best job at integrating the current goings-on in their stories without detracting from their own larger narrative... that is something I truly appreciate.

[ClanAskani]

I think X-Force (and New Mutants) do the best job at integrating the current goings-on in their stories without detracting from their own larger narrative... that is something I truly appreciate.

Yeah, it seems really natural and organic. I hate when teams are completely isolated and living in a bubble like everyone else has suddenly disappeared.

Matt Fraction needs to take lessons on how to have characters have minor roles, yet not seem like wallpaper and add to the overall story.

[yanapryde]

I think X-Force (and New Mutants) do the best job at integrating the current goings-on in their stories without detracting from their own larger narrative... that is something I truly appreciate.

Agreed.
They also continue to effectively include cameo appearances that are worthwhile to the story, rather than just passing by in the background.

Surge and Hellion would be an example for X-Force.
Rogue and the Science Team, for New Mutants.
Way to go Satelite books!

[chrissstopher]

Agreed.
They also continue to effectively include cameo appearances that are worthwhile to the story, rather than just passing by in the background.

Surge and Hellion would be an example for X-Force.
Rogue and the Science Team, for New Mutants.
Way to go Satelite books!

Fraction could take a lesson from these writers in how to feature other characters and actually have them be useful/integrated into the story in a relevant way... I'm just sayin'

EDIT: though that was unfair... he did have other characters have an impact during Utopia... and slightly during the Sisterhood arc as well... so they're not always wallpaper, but still.

[Slant]

Fraction should take a lesson on how to use Background characters properly.

Right?

[AN0LE]

Fraction could take a lesson from these writers in how to feature other characters and actually have them be useful/integrated into the story in a relevant way... I'm just sayin'

You mean random, useless panels of Hepzibah and Iceman standing awkwardly with freakish smiles on their faces isn't relevant?

My post is full of sarcasm before anyone jumps down my throat :tongue:

[worstblogever]

It's more like this... randomly putting _____ character standing somewhere just so you can say "I wrote them in a scene" is weak.

Having an incident happen, like say, Elixir go into a coma, and having his former make-out partner Loa, and New X-Men (the two who are present? He just saved their lives, that matters!) brethren by his bedside? Good.

Having Hellion react to X-23 being missing, even if he's unclear as to what happened to her? Good.

Having the science team thinking their way around Legion, or in this issue around Elixir's condition? Good.


If you're going to put them there, if they have obvious motivation for being there helps. Not just to munch on cereal, or say, "Oh. Hey. Hi."


When Kyle & Yost use the New X-Men, they're given emotional impact. Same for Hepzibah, when she's shouted into the phone as Jimmy's girlfriend that he can't talk to anymore.

Yeah, they "get" cameos.

[chrissstopher]

Fraction should take a lesson on how to use Background characters properly.

Right?

My only point is that if Fraction is going to use the "rotating cast" in Uncanny... these writers provide good examples on how to use other characters that aren't part of your main stable in a relevant and effective way.

[The Big G]

When Kyle & Yost use the New X-Men, they're given emotional impact. Same for Hepzibah, when she's shouted into the phone as Jimmy's girlfriend that he can't talk to anymore.

Exactly, that and the New X-Men are kind their babies since they took them from boring to interesting.

Needless to say When C&C use a New X-Men regardless of who they are they're written well and in character.

God i want to actually read the issue

[Marvelfan278]

X-Force, one of my top 5 books for 19 straight issues, never fails to disappoint me.

Craig and Chris rule the X-Books.

[4sake]

Fraction should take a lesson on how to use Background characters properly.

Right?

YES!!!!!!!!

[worstblogever]

I feel the need to add... Choi and Oback's rendition of Selene in all her hooker-booted, corseted glory is... quite stimulating.



Oh, and more importantly... did anyone notice the panel of one of X-23's "3 targets who got away"?

Megan Kinney (http://www.comicvine.com/megan-kinney/29-48998/). Her cousin.

[Puunk]

Megan!!

Yes! What I was really hoping for.

[chickrockguitar]

I feel the need to add... Choi and Oback's rendition of Selene in all her hooker-booted, corseted glory is... quite stimulating.



Oh, and more importantly... did anyone notice the panel of one of X-23's "3 targets who got away"?

Megan Kinney. An aunt? A sister?I havent read the issue yet (get it tomorrow) but are you asking who she is? She's Laura's Cousin. Dr Kinney's neice.

[worstblogever]

Megan!!

Yes! What I was really hoping for.

In theory, one of the other two would be Laura's aunt, Debbie.

And the other one is obviously Logan.

[worstblogever]

I havent read the issue yet (get it tomorrow) but are you asking who she is? She's Laura's Cousin. Dr Kinney's neice.

I just caught it. But thanks.

[Puunk]

In theory, one of the other two would be Laura's aunt, Debbie.

And the other one is obviously Logan.

Yeah, I get it. Just really happy her face appeared - I have that feeling now that she will actually appear. It may be ridiculous, but I have high hopes!

[yanapryde]

I was unsure of whether her cousin was considered a target because the facility targeted her for termination originally, or if by association and having been exposed to X and the facility's dealings and having gotten away, BECAME a target.

*shrugs*

[Imraith Nimphais]

I feel the need to add... Choi and Oback's rendition of Selene in all her hooker-booted, corseted glory is... quite stimulating.


Come now, WBE (pun not intended)...you are never one for understatement...I've seen that panel...tell it like it is. :biggrin:

[Mia]

I was unsure of whether her cousin was considered a target because the facility targeted her for termination originally, or if by association and having been exposed to X and the facility's dealings and having gotten away, BECAME a target.

*shrugs*

Probably the later.

One thing I did not understand is why is the Facility, by way of Kimura, are now intent on capturing Laura, when they did not show any such inclination in NXM?

[Til]

Words can't describe that panel of Selene. Just....wow.

Another fantastic issue. I can't get enough of this book. I love how they're already setting up post-Necrosha by showing those towers Bastion is building in areas of California surrounding San Francisco. I really hope that bitch Kimura is ripped apart by X-Force somehow though. Her time has come and gone and come again.

As for the continuity issues, X-Force continuity > Uncanny continuity. Simple as that for me.

[staceyandhitesh]

hey is there no site for the pic spoilers

[yanapryde]

Probably the later.

One thing I did not understand is why is the Facility, by way of Kimura, are now intent on capturing Laura, when they did not show any such inclination in NXM?

Agendas change, when you're a psychopath, it seems.:smile:

[The Big G]

Agendas change, when you're a psychopath, it seems.:smile:

Yep. Plans change. Its just during NXM Laura was not their top priority while Cessily was.


I really hope that bitch Kimura is ripped apart by X-Force somehow though. Her time has come and gone and come again.


I think Julian should show up and say, "I should have done this a long time ago". ANd then use his TK to Force Choke or Force Crush her.

But that's just me.

[yanapryde]

As for the continuity issues, X-Force continuity > Uncanny continuity. Simple as that for me.

Exactly. Allowances can be made for QUALITY entertainment.

[staceyandhitesh]

hello guys is there

[The Big G]

Exactly. Allowances can be made for QUALITY entertainment.

True but all this timing stuff makes my head hurt


hello guys is there

sup :cool:

[Marvelfan278]

I think Julian should show up and say, "I should have done this a long time ago". ANd then use his TK to Force Choke or Force Crush her.

But that's just me.

Kimura: You can't possibly be into her!

Julian: I find your lack of faith disturbing... *Choking ensues*

[The Big G]

Kimura: You can't possibly be into her!

Julian: I find your lack of faith disturbing... *Choking ensues*...plus there's this thing she does with her tongue.... yeah good times

fixed for u

[Robbiebob_16]

Well, not really. The time issue is with X-23, Hellion, and Elixir.

X-23 was captured right as she got back from Messiah War, yet appears in Utopia multiple times. In X-Force, she is currently still captured while the X-Men are on Utopia, something that only happened at the end of that crossover after she appeared.

Elixir is out of commission since healing Surge, he appears a few times in Utopia as well. Also, Hellion has to somehow start a riot and get arrested by Emma and her Dark X-Men in between getting rescued and where we see him here.

I'll just ignore the minor points of Utopia, because X-Force, despite these little issues, is a better story...
Amen, that's the way I do it. Otherwise I get one massive headache.

[staceyandhitesh]

is there an ful scan of loa

[The Big G]

is there an ful scan of loa

not really.


Anywho got lucky and managed to pick up the issue and here's what i think:

Agent Morales is like Alice in Wonderland, she really has no idea what the fuck is going on. Though gotta give her props for calling Kimura a bitch.

Also gotta give props for the J-Man already dressed to go save Laura, just take away the red, replace it with silver or grey and A) he's ready to join X-Force and B) he's ready to go to a Raider game.

It was interesting to see how he addressed Cyke as he was making his "case" to help Logan. It went from Cyclops, to Mr. Summers to just Summers. Needless to say he could fly off and find Laura. Mostly likely not going to happen but cool if it did.

There was really only two things that through me off about the issue. First Rhane's story is completely overrated and takes time from the good stuff.

Second as i've bitched about before, is the continuity. Im tired of tyring to make sense of it now so i'll just go with the flow.

Over all good...but no great. Didn't really have the shock an awe factor that 18 did. But maybe thats a good thing.

Also why didnt Laura just reattach her arm?

[Puunk]

not really.


Anywho got lucky and managed to pick up the issue and here's what i think:

Agent Morales is like Alice in Wonderland, she really has no idea what the fuck is going on. Though gotta give her props for calling Kimura a bitch.

Also gotta give props for the J-Man already dressed to go save Laura, just take away the red, replace it with silver or grey and A) he's ready to join X-Force and B) he's ready to go to a Raider game.

It was interesting to see how he addressed Cyke as he was making his "case" to help Logan. It went from Cyclops, to Mr. Summers to just Summers. Needless to say he could fly off and find Laura. Mostly likely not going to happen but cool if it did.

There was really only two things that through me off about the issue. First Rhane's story is completely overrated and takes time from the good stuff.

Second as i've bitched about before, is the continuity. Im tired of tyring to make sense of it now so i'll just go with the flow.

Over all good...but no great. Didn't really have the shock an awe factor that 18 did. But maybe thats a good thing.

Also why didnt Laura just reattach her arm?

Laura's healing isn't like Deadpool's.

[Mia]

Yep. Plans change. Its just during NXM Laura was not their top priority while Cessily was.

It's not just that. In the end of NXM Kimura is getting ready to assissinate Laura from a distance. She just wants to kill her, there is no attempt at even trying to get Laura down so that she retrieve the body later.

My question is why is Laura's body a comodity now and not before.


I think Julian should show up and say, "I should have done this a long time ago". ANd then use his TK to Force Choke or Force Crush her.

Actually Hellion and Kimura would be the perfect couple. Hellion is the prototypical a/hole you see in practically every high school tv show, and Kimura is the prototypical bitchy high school girl you see in everyt tv show. They would be a perfect couple!

[Dave13]

Oh Mia, how come you forget Julian's second mutant power: the ability to survive just about every near death experience he comes across?

Hellions second mutant power is being Elixir's bitch which entails being healed and saved when neccessary




Matt Fraction needs to take lessons on how to have characters have minor roles, yet not seem like wallpaper and add to the overall story.

Fraction could take a lesson from these writers in how to feature other characters and actually have them be useful/integrated into the story in a relevant way... I'm just sayin'


Fraction should take a lesson on how to use Background characters properly.

Right?

Yes Fraction should be schooled by the dynamic Duo



I think Julian should show up and say, "I should have done this a long time ago". ANd then use his TK to Force Choke or Force Crush her.


It's not like Kimura has a density power that protects her from this type of scenario.


Lovd the issue in general, Laura was great Hardcore
Morales i'm liking her
Hellion showed loyalty to his master protecting his bedside

As For Elixir's condition, It was pretty obvious that something was gonna happen that took him out of circulation for a while seeing as Hope's secret identity must remain secret for a while still this was a great way to do it by the writers

I'm immensely intrigued whats happening to Elixir's body, Him being Omega level makes it intresting alone but Nemesis saying his body is rebooting (aside from that not being a typical ability of a human thats not very intresting) and that it has already reached a point where even he can't make heads or tails out of Elixir's genetics ??????? my god the suspense whats happening

Sounds to me his body is evolving, Adapting to survive whats he becoming is gonna be more intresting han what Hope is

[RickyD410]

It's not just that. In the end of NXM Kimura is getting ready to assissinate Laura from a distance. She just wants to kill her, there is no attempt at even trying to get Laura down so that she retrieve the body later.

My question is why is Laura's body a comodity now and not before.
Maybe they didnt have this plan before, but now they do.
Actually Hellion and Kimura would be the perfect couple. Hellion is the prototypical a/hole you see in practically every high school tv show, and Kimura is the prototypical bitchy high school girl you see in everyt tv show. They would be a perfect couple!
Nah. I think Hellion used to be that character, but now he's different. He's loyal, sticks by his friends, and yes, is a bit of an attention whore. But he's not the same douche he used to be.

[Omega Alpha]

So how much longer does Cyclops think he can keep X-Force from everyone else?

He never expected to keep a secret for long.

[DeadXMan]

Anyone else hoping X hits someone with her arm?

[Hakael]

Anyone else hoping X hits someone with her arm?

I was looking for that from the second she picked it up. the claws are still extended.

[The Big G]

Soo many responses so little time

Laura's healing isn't like Deadpool's.

She cut of her hand and then reattached it in one of her minis; woudlnt this be the same as that?



My question is why is Laura's body a comodity now and not before.

Thats a good question that i dont have an answer for!

Actually Hellion and Kimura would be the perfect couple. Hellion is the prototypical a/hole you see in practically every high school tv show, and Kimura is the prototypical bitchy high school girl you see in everyt tv show. They would be a perfect couple!

That would literally be Laura's worst nightmares! THe guy she has a thing dating the girl who's been a bitch to her all her life.

Hellions second mutant power is being Elixir's bitch which entails being healed and saved when neccessary

More like he's forced to heal Julian. Julian's plot shield is as strong as Sasuke from Naruto. Gawd did i just compare X-Men to Naruto. Some shoot me now.:eek:

It's not like Kimura has a density power that protects her from this type of scenario.

It was my understanding that Kimura's skin was invulerable but her insides werent. And with TK all he has to do is crush her lungs and so on. So the whole Force Choke/Crush could happen. THough if he he did Lucas would probably sue someone.


Nah. I think Hellion used to be that character, but now he's different. He's loyal, sticks by his friends, and yes, is a bit of an attention whore. But he's not the same douche he used to be.

Exactly Julians' changed a lot since him humble beginnings of being your typical ass hole. His relation ship with Sophia, Tag's death and so many other things have changed him. Sure he still has the need for being at the center of attention his actions during Utopia have proven that but this "new" Julian is defiantly different from the "old" Julian.

Anyone else hoping X hits someone with her arm?

Here's hoping she uses it as a spear and it impales someone LOL

[Puunk]

Soo many responses so little time



She cut of her hand and then reattached it in one of her minis; woudlnt this be the same as that?



Thats a good question that i dont have an answer for!



That would literally be Laura's worst nightmares! THe guy she has a thing dating the girl who's been a bitch to her all her life.



More like he's forced to heal Julian. Julian's plot shield is as strong as Sasuke from Naruto. Gawd did i just compare X-Men to Naruto. Some shoot me now.:eek:



It was my understanding that Kimura's skin was invulerable but her insides werent. And with TK all he has to do is crush her lungs and so on. So the whole Force Choke/Crush could happen. THough if he he did Lucas would probably sue someone.



Exactly Julians' changed a lot since him humble beginnings of being your typical ass hole. His relation ship with Sophia, Tag's death and so many other things have changed him. Sure he still has the need for being at the center of attention his actions during Utopia have proven that but this "new" Julian is defiantly different from the "old" Julian.



Here's hoping she uses it as a spear and it impales someone LOL

Oh wait, your right, I remember now.

Target X and Kimura. Yeah, I don't know why she doesn't just attach it.

[RickyD410]

Maybe she doesnt attach it because she knows it'll take a long time to heal, and they need to focus on getting out of there fast.

[KwameKamikaze]

This more than makes up for the Confession. And I love how writers go pick up minor supporting S.H.I.E.L.D. characters from other books and pick them up. Like Khanata who's now on Atlas, Jake Oh who's with War Machine and now Agent Morales who used to be in Captain America and the Falcon.(I wonder if Falcon's still hitting that?)

The continuity is confusing me though. Elixir's on Utopia which means that whole arc happened already, when the hell did this take place then, because X-force (X-23 included) took place in the crossover. The only thing that would make it make sense is that the intertwining stories are taking place at different times.

But if you're actually focusing on the work and the quality and not continuity this was a great read and the art was amazing.

[The Big G]

Oh wait, your right, I remember now.

Target X and Kimura. Yeah, I don't know why she doesn't just attach it.

You know i've never actually read ether of them but yet i still know it. Wikipedia is a useful tool.

Maybe she doesnt attach it because she knows it'll take a long time to heal, and they need to focus on getting out of there fast.

If i were her i'd attach the arm figuring im going to end up fighting my way out of there.

[Puunk]

You know i've never actually read ether of them but yet i still know it. Wikipedia is a useful tool.



If i were her i'd attach the arm figuring im going to end up fighting my way out of there.

Get. Your. Hands. On. Them.

They are awesome! Innocence Lost and then Target X. :)

[The Big G]

Get. Your. Hands. On. Them.

They are awesome! Innocence Lost and then Target X. :)

I know. Maybe the next time im in my local comic shop ill ask if they have them.

[Puunk]

I know. Maybe the next time im in my local comic shop ill ask if they have them.

Awesome!

You rock dude.

[Robbiebob_16]

not really.


Anywho got lucky and managed to pick up the issue and here's what i think:

Agent Morales is like Alice in Wonderland, she really has no idea what the fuck is going on. Though gotta give her props for calling Kimura a bitch.

Also gotta give props for the J-Man already dressed to go save Laura, just take away the red, replace it with silver or grey and A) he's ready to join X-Force and B) he's ready to go to a Raider game.

It was interesting to see how he addressed Cyke as he was making his "case" to help Logan. It went from Cyclops, to Mr. Summers to just Summers. Needless to say he could fly off and find Laura. Mostly likely not going to happen but cool if it did.

There was really only two things that through me off about the issue. First Rhane's story is completely overrated and takes time from the good stuff.

Second as i've bitched about before, is the continuity. Im tired of tyring to make sense of it now so i'll just go with the flow.

Over all good...but no great. Didn't really have the shock an awe factor that 18 did. But maybe thats a good thing.

Also why didnt Laura just reattach her arm?
Yea, what is up with Rahne and those damn frost giants and Hrimhari?! It reeks of gratuitous subplots with a character that few actually. maybe I speak for a minority, but I can't stand her. At least not in the situation she's in now.

[RoguishGurl]

This issue was great!! I loved the story, the art everything!! I loved to see Julian wanting to help get Laura back. And I adore Agent Morales' interactions with X-23. I do hope we can see Megan soon!

[Justin K.]

Kimura is one sadistic bitch... I love her!
Not that I condone her actions towards X-23 or anything...

[The Big G]

Awesome!

You rock dude.

No man...YOU ROCK!

[Puunk]

Kimura is one sadistic bitch... I love her!
Not that I condone her actions towards X-23 or anything...

LOL

"Sorry, I can't hear you over the chainsaw!"

No man...YOU ROCK!

Shucks. x) Where were you when my girlfriend said I suck?

[The Big G]

Shucks. x) Where were you when my girlfriend said I suck?

I dont know bro, next time she says it tell her that your bud on the internet named The Big G told me that i rock so stfu lol

[Puunk]

I dont know bro, next time she says it tell her that your bud on the internet named The Big G told me that i rock so stfu lol

LOL ahah cool dude, I'll remember that.

[The Big G]

LOL ahah cool dude, I'll remember that.

damn straight u will lol

This issue was great!! I loved the story, the art everything!! I loved to see Julian wanting to help get Laura back. And I adore Agent Morales' interactions with X-23. I do hope we can see Megan soon!

Indeed it was RG, indeed it was.

Julian needs to say screw u cyke its time to play knight in red and black spandex and go save my current potential love interest.

[Victorious]

Great great issue!

Agent Morales is a cool character, hope it stays on the team or stays in touch with Laura. She really needs someone who can act to her as a sort of mother.

How dare Domino talk that way to the Cuckoos, and how is that the Cuckoos didn’t make her swallow her words, as much as I like Domino’s dialogue, the Cuckoos as far more bitches than her. Respect the Cuckoos! Plus, like if Domino could kill one of them….

What’s going on with Josh? Its like his power is working on a unconscious level on his body, that never happened before. Can’t wait to see what the consequences are. Maybe he turn himself into some kind fo invulnerable being. But that would make him too powerful IMO.
Loved the scene with the kids, and love how K&Y show they care for them. Plus, they write them so well. Julian, Nori and Alani being there makes perfect sense. Hope Julian decide to do something about Laura, we already know he is able to kill Kimura.

What’s up with Rahne? When I first knew that they were going to use Rahne in X-Force and she was going to left X-Factor I was so pissed. Cause I love how PAD writes her and what he was doing with her (her relationship with Rictor, her trying to control her instincts, the whole Jamie & Layla wedding scene…). But then I read the first X-Force arc and though I don’t like how she was tortured (K&Y seems to do that to every character they write, but hey do it awesomely) It didn’t bother me that much cause it was well done, and I loved how they bring back her history with her father. Now, the next thing we know is that the Wolf Prince is back (which is a part of Rahne past that I love too). But I feel like they are putting Rahne scenes there just to make us feel they hadn’t forgotten about her, but nothing is really been developed apart from fights. I like how K&Y write arcs and focus them on certain characters, like now they are doing with X, or how the Sex & Violence mini features Domino; so I really hope Rahne get her own arc and that all this scenes are worth the wait. I trust K&Y, but please, please K&Y, tell me Rahne has an awesome story coming and is not just filler!!!!

Destiny is back!!! Yay!!! I do expect some kind of new powers on her, since Caliban did developed a new power after being resurrected. Maybe she can’t tell the future anymore, and only the whole past of a person? That will rock, it would give Destiny some handy knowledge of Selene and how to defeat her; and will piss off Selene a lot, since she seems to have resurrect her to find about the future.

Oh and I want Vanisher back, missing him already!!!

The art is just simple beautiful. Loved Kimura and Morales. Nori was beautiful too.

Again, great great issue.

[Dave13]

Great great issue!
Hope Julian decide to do something about Laura, we already know he is able to kill Kimura.


Okay i'll bite care to explain?

[The Big G]

Okay i'll bite care to explain?

well if my memory serves me right, during their last encounter Laura told Julian he could killer her by placing a TK field around her heart, brain, lungs and other functions causing fatal damage to her.

Now if someone like RG would confirm this.

[worstblogever]

Okay i'll bite care to explain?

well if my memory serves me right, during their last encounter Laura told Julian he could killer her by placing a TK field around her heart, brain, lungs and other functions causing fatal damage to her.

Now if someone like RG would confirm this.

Yeah, pretty much he could TK cut off her air. Sealing her in a bubble and just waiting until her air runs out works just fine.

[Peter F.]

Okay i'll bite care to explain?

Telekinetic bubble in her body, and just expand. Blow her up from the inside out. X-23 told him to do it, but instead he just threw her very, very far away.

[Hakael]

He needs to TK toss people large distances more often...

[Peter F.]

He needs to TK toss people large distances more often...

I don't know. Could he ever really top that scene in WWH: X-men where the Hulk punted M to Jersey?

[Hakael]

I don't know. Could he ever really top that scene in WWH: X-men where the the Hulk punted M to Jersey?

How far is Jersey from Westchester?

[The Big G]

How far is Jersey from Westchester?

a few hundred miles i would guess

[Victorious]

Okay i'll bite care to explain?

What everyone else said. When Laura and Julian went looking for Cess while she was capture by the Facility, they confronted Kimura and Laura tells Julian that she’s invulnerable to her claws, but that he can kill her by creating a TK bubble in her brain or something like that. But Julian, horrified of how easily and scruple-less-ly (lol, just invent a word) Laura kill people just threw her real far away as a human cannonball by sliding her through the wall. Since he knew her exterior were invulnerable, that may not kill her but get her out of the way.

[Dave13]

well if my memory serves me right, during their last encounter Laura told Julian he could killer her by placing a TK field around her heart, brain, lungs and other functions causing fatal damage to her.

Now if someone like RG would confirm this.

Telekinetic bubble in her body, and just expand. Blow her up from the inside out. X-23 told him to do it, but instead he just threw her very, very far away.

Sad day when i have to teach logic, He was told how to kill her by creating a TK bubble in her body surefire way of death

Yet he decided to throw her away, now combined with his problems using TK on the smaller scales in the past

if we follow Occam's Razor logical principal the best explanation would be he is not capable of Such TK use

next you'll claim he can use TK to manipulate particles onthe Sub-Atomic level

[RickyD410]

a few hundred miles i would guess

Nah, only about 50.

[RickyD410]

Sad day when i have to teach logic, He was told how to kill her by creating a TK bubble in her body surefire way of death

Yet he decided to throw her away, now combined with his problems using TK on the smaller scales in the past

if we follow Occam's Razor logical principal the best explanation would be he is not capable of Such TK use

next you'll claim he can use TK to manipulate particles onthe Sub-Atomic level

No, he told Laura he refused to kill her. He didnt want to. He was trying to teach Laura how to be a hero in that arc. He defeated her and sent her away, but the only reason he didnt kill anyone in that arc was because he didnt want to. Julian has made small telekinetic bubbles and sheilds before. Theres no reason he wouldnt be able to again.

[The Big G]

Sad day when i have to teach logic, He was told how to kill her by creating a TK bubble in her body surefire way of death

Yet he decided to throw her away, now combined with his problems using TK on the smaller scales in the past

if we follow Occam's Razor logical principal the best explanation would be he is not capable of Such TK use

next you'll claim he can use TK to manipulate particles onthe Sub-Atomic level

Yeah but that was the semi old Julian. The current Julian is bitter, agnsty and wants to stick it to the man. So i think he wouldn't have a problem doing her in.

actually when she told him how to kill her Julian was still having problems with his TK. SInce this was after the Nimrod incident.

I bet he can once he gets some practice down. Julian has tons of potential and room for his powers to grow. Sure i'm sure his power will never reach a grey level but it could be one day pretty powerful.

Julian also wished he could pull a Nate and manipulate things on the sub-atomic level.

[Dave13]

No, he told Laura he refused to kill her. He didnt want to. He was trying to teach Laura how to be a hero in that arc. He defeated her and sent her away, but the only reason he didnt kill anyone in that arc was because he didnt want to. Julian has made small telekinetic bubbles and sheilds before. Theres no reason he wouldnt be able to again.

Funny i renember him blowing up a danger room trying to pick a small item off the ground

[Hakael]

Sad day when i have to teach logic, He was told how to kill her by creating a TK bubble in her body surefire way of death

Yet he decided to throw her away, now combined with his problems using TK on the smaller scales in the past

if we follow Occam's Razor logical principal the best explanation would be he is not capable of Such TK use

next you'll claim he can use TK to manipulate particles onthe Sub-Atomic level

Your logic is faulty Dave.
Hellion is against killing under most circumstances. He wants to be a hero. Heroes don't kill people.
His problems will small scale manipulation won't affect him if he decides to kill somebody, but instead of forming a TK bubble in their bloodstream he might accidentally blow them up from the inside. Certainly a more gruesome death, but effective. Also, its been a while since we last saw Hellion training. He might have a handle on things by now. Characters do things off panel sometimes.

[RickyD410]

Funny i renember him blowing up a danger room trying to pick a small item off the ground

WELL if you recall, he said he liked to do that to things that annoyed him. Such as his bed, and Santo too.

[psycwave]

Funny i renember him blowing up a danger room trying to pick a small item off the ground

It was an accident. He was still having trouble controlling his new higher power levels.

[The Big G]

WELL if you recall, he said he liked to do that to things that annoyed him. Such as his bed, and Santo too.

He blew Santo up multiple times too i might add

[Dave13]

It was an accident. He was still having trouble controlling his new higher power levels.

Proof that h no longer has troubles?



WELL if you recall, he said he liked to do that to things that annoyed him. Such as his bed, and Santo too.

Really ae you trying to say Santo a 9foot Golem is definiton of Small

[The Big G]

Proof that h no longer has troubles?

As soon as he gets some actual focus in an X-Book about his powers i'll get back to you on that one



Really ae you trying to say Santo a 9foot Golem is definiton of Small

well... compared to Godzilla he's small or a Sentinel Santo's small

[Dave13]

Your logic is faulty Dave.
Hellion is against killing under most circumstances. He wants to be a hero. Heroes don't kill people.
His problems will small scale manipulation won't affect him if he decides to kill somebody, but instead of forming a TK bubble in their bloodstream he might accidentally blow them up from the inside. Certainly a more gruesome death, but effective. Also, its been a while since we last saw Hellion training. He might have a handle on things by now. Characters do things off panel sometimes.

You accuse my logic of being faulty and then make a huge leap of assumption,

You admit that he will screw up but think accidently it'll blow Kimura up from the inside? it's just as possible he will just blow up the area around Kimura like he did in the danger room

[RickyD410]

Really ae you trying to say Santo a 9foot Golem is definiton of Small
No. I never said Santo was small. But Beast said that Julian blew up Santo. And Beast is the X-Men's moral compass! He would NEVER lie!

[Hakael]

You accuse my logic of being faulty and then make a huge leap of assumption,

You admit that he will screw up but think accidently it'll blow Kimura up from the inside? it's just as possible he will just blow up the area around Kimura like he did in the danger room

Well, that explosion came from a focal point... the focal point was the paper clip. If he tries to focus on something as small as an organ or arteries, its not a "huge leap" to conclude that if he still has a hard time with small things that the destruction would still emanate from where he's focusing, only expanding to a scale he didn't intend.

[The Big G]

You admit that he will screw up but think accidently it'll blow Kimura up from the inside? it's just as possible he will just blow up the area around Kimura like he did in the danger room

We wont know till Julian tried to blow up Kimura, *crosses fingers* here's hoping he tries


And now for something off topic

When do you think C&C will come and bless us with their presence?

[Victorious]

Guys, the last time Julian’s powers were written and shown properly and by K&Y (which was the last issue of NXM pre-MC) we saw Julian complaining about not having fine control of his powers after Emma help him safe Laura, he even said that he has to wait till Rachel came back from space or train with Justice (which he didn’t want too) in order to learn to control them. Well, now we have Psylocke, but it wasn’t the case back then. After that, nothing was stated about his control, and we haven’t seen him using his TK on any small object. So, if Julian tries to kill Kimura, we don’t know what could happen, it’s up to K&Y to decide if he learned to control his TK off-panel or not.



Back to Josh…

I take back what I said about Josh earlier, he has been shown using his power unconsciously.

I find Josh current situation very confusing… anything could happens since lots of things concerning his powers were never really explained or made any sense.

I’d love him to look normal again if he’s rebooting himself, I never like his gold visual. Though visually it was fun, it makes no sense. One thing is manipulating biological processes and the other one is turning yourself gold. I mean, he could have turned himself healthier, prettier, more tanned, more built, have black skin, have longer hair… but turning his own skin into some inorganic color like gold never make any sense. I’d love to see him blonde with white skin as he originally was, and his hand turning black (when using his powers to hurt) or just have a gold aura (when healing, more like an energy signature, not making himself color gold). Plus I hate him gold with white hair. Another reason to change his color would be his current personality, Danny stated that Josh unconsciously turned gold because he always thought of himself as a golden boy, but I don’t think Josh sees himself like that anymore. Time to turn normal looking again! Y&K make this happen!

Another aspect of Josh powers which always confuse me was the amount of knowledge he had to have about something in order to modify it. This is not a problem now, since the Cuckoos downloaded all of Hank’s information on human biology, anatomy and genetics into Josh’s brain.
But why was he complaining about needing to have that knowledge to do stuff in the first place? He unconsciously repowered Wolfsbane and he unconsciously turn himself gold while in coma. And why couldn’t he unconsciously heal Laurie’s hand if he loved her so much?
Hope K&Y explains this a little bit more.

[RickyD410]

Another aspect of Josh powers which always confuse me was the amount of knowledge he had to have about something in order to modify it. This is not a problem now, since the Cuckoos downloaded all of Hank’s information on human biology, anatomy and genetics into Josh’s brain.
But why was he complaining about needing to have that knowledge to do stuff in the first place? He unconsciously repowered Wolfsbane and he unconsciously turn himself gold while in coma. And why couldn’t he unconsciously heal Laurie’s hand if he loved her so much?
Hope K&Y explains this a little bit more.
Well I think those cases (Rahne, and himself) were just accidents. He never intended for those to happen. With his knowledge of biology, he's much more efficient, and nothing is left to chance. I know what you're saying though, as in, why didnt he just focus really hard, and save Laura. But maybe if he tried something like that, he couldn't have gotten rid of the virus completely. Maybe he could have made it less noticable, but it traces of it could have been left behind.

Basically, his knowledge just gives him better control over his powers. He knows what he's doing now, and doesnt leave anything to chance.

[The Big G]

Basically, his knowledge just gives him better control over his powers. He knows what he's doing now, and doesnt leave anything to chance.

Cuse thats what good heal bots do :biggrin:

[Victorious]

Well I think those cases (Rahne, and himself) were just accidents. He never intended for those to happen. With his knowledge of biology, he's much more efficient, and nothing is left to chance. I know what you're saying though, as in, why didnt he just focus really hard, and save Laura. But maybe if he tried something like that, he couldn't have gotten rid of the virus completely. Maybe he could have made it less noticable, but it traces of it could have been left behind.

Basically, his knowledge just gives him better control over his powers. He knows what he's doing now, and doesnt leave anything to chance.

Yeah, but that “accidents” happened while he has no idea what he was doing, and even didn't know he was able to. That's why I'm saying. It seems that in cases he is able to show all his potential - Rahne powers, his skin - (maybe instictingly?) but in Laurie's case he couldn’t do it. That's what raises the question... Why couldn’t he heal Laurie's hand? Why wouldn't he just unconsciously heal it even if he doesn't know what to do? Anyway, this is not a problem now as I said (like in Laura's case) cause he has full knowledge now and he consciously knows what to do. But it seems he doesn't need to be conscious of what he is doing to use his powers, so now that he is in coma he could be doing anything to his own body...

I think you confuse Laurie (his dead-soon-to-be-resurrected-former girlfriend) with Laura (X-23) in what I write, but i could be wrong.

[Dave13]

Back to Josh…

I don't know who you are but i think you right damn it lets discuss Josh





I take back what I said about Josh earlier, he has been shown using his power unconsciously.

The Only time he has used his powers unconciously was when he turned himself Gold, itwas stated when Rahne attacked him that he needed to be awake but he has gotten a power up since then.



I find Josh current situation very confusing… anything could happens since lots of things concerning his powers were never really explained or made any sense.

My theory is that he is evolving to the next level, it's what Omega's do when they reach a certain limit they change to adapt i.e the Iceman went through something similar wth his Organic Ice form

Elixir's change should be even more impressive seeing as his power is more living linked it allows me to fantasize that Elixir is evolving into a Celestial or beyonder like being that would be sweet



I’d love him to look normal again if he’s rebooting himself, I never like his gold visual. Though visually it was fun, it makes no sense. One thing is manipulating biological processes and the other one is turning yourself gold. I mean, he could have turned himself healthier, prettier, more tanned, more built, have black skin, have longer hair… but turning his own skin into some inorganic color like gold never make any sense. I’d love to see him blonde with white skin as he originally was, and his hand turning black (when using his powers to hurt) or just have a gold aura (when healing, more like an energy signature, not making himself color gold). Plus I hate him gold with white hair. Another reason to change his color would be his current personality, Danny stated that Josh unconsciously turned gold because he always thought of himself as a golden boy, but I don’t think Josh sees himself like that anymore. Time to turn normal looking again! Y&K make this happen!

The Gold was not inorganic it is normal skin just the pigment colour is made gold, I like the Black and Gold it gives Elixir a Yin/yang concept.

As for hanging himself he could do much more give he could easilly make himslf the most powerfull person on the planet....he doesn't though

[RickyD410]

I think you confuse Laurie (his dead-soon-to-be-resurrected-former girlfriend) with Laura (X-23) in what I write, but i could be wrong.
Whoops! Yup, I did. My bad. I thought you meant when he was healing Laura of the Legacy Virus.

[Maestro]

I hope crazy chainsaw bitch goes after Hellion one day. no way he can survive that

[CrimsonComedian]

This was pretty fun to read. I love Agent Morales, I wish there were girls like her in this world. :frown: Question, how come X-23 can't just reattach her arm by physically placing it by where it was cut off, ala Deadpool?

[coconutphone]

I'm still meh on Laura as a character. I did like Agent Morales in this for once so it made those scenes somewhat interesting. Rahne stuff bored me to tears. Not only is she a shrew of a character but she's now 'enjoying' a boring ass romance plot. Tredding. Water. At least the Cuckoos and Domino et al were interesting.

The Necrosha stuff was the best part. Frankly I can't wait for this arc to finish up so we can move on to more interesting stuff.

[frog]

How exactly are these healing factors supposed to work? It would make more sense to me for a body part to grow back rather than reattaching a severed limb.

[graffiX]

This was pretty fun to read. I love Agent Morales, I wish there were girls like her in this world. :frown: Question, how come X-23 can't just reattach her arm by physically placing it by where it was cut off, ala Deadpool?

iirc, Deadpool has an accelerated healing factor and can regenerate limbs and such on a much greater level than Wolverine/X-23 can. But since Logan has an adamantium skeleton, the chances of him being dismembered are moot.

But we all know that X-23 is going to get her arm back at some point. Will it grow back or be reattached? Maybe surgically reattached and then her healing factor will grow back the tissue connecting it?

[chrissstopher]

This was pretty fun to read. I love Agent Morales, I wish there were girls like her in this world. :frown: Question, how come X-23 can't just reattach her arm by physically placing it by where it was cut off, ala Deadpool?

I thought so too... but in the previews for an upcoming X-Force story, we see Dr. Nemesis and Cyclops discussing X-23 and holding her extracted adamantium claws... I'm guessing that they took out of her severed arm... and look as if they're trying to figure out how to reattach them.

[CmX]

The art is so gorgeous as usually! I loved Domino's interaction with the Cuckoos, what a bad bitch!

I'm kinda over the Rahne sublplot seems as though it's been dragged on forever.

[infernohara]

This book continues to amaze. I really can't get enough!!

So the "H.A.M.M.E.R." guys are after Megan and possibly Debbie now? Interesting and I'm wondering who that third person is. It could be Wolverine or Kideon Nixon, who knows?

Morales makes an awesome character. She was kicking ass left and right and I loved her entrance with the "here that" talk on Kimura. Its also good to see that there is a rift between Cyclops and Beast and it may not end there. (since people are still in the dark about X-force) Also the trigger sense is in this location......I wonder if this is all of it and they can destroy it here (probably wouldn't matter).

Thoughts on the discussion:

I'm thinking X-23 is very tired or kimura slowed her healing off panel. X-23 could reattach her arm if needed (as she did in her mini), but Kimura saw that and might have been prepared this time. Her healing factor is higher than Wolverine's, but still under Deadpool's so she might just not have the time right now to attach it.

I doubt Hellion gained fine control over his TK. He needs a mentor and even beast has said he'd be amazing with some help (thank you legacy). I don't quite see him having the patience to stand there trying to pick up paper clips with his TK and succeeding. Only Rogue and Psylocke can bring out this kid amazing potential. I'm really hoping he can do some amazing TK stunts later on.

I have a feeling Elixir will be the plot device that solves Necrosha. I can see it happening, but I hope it isn't. Hes in a comma solely because he knows what hope is. (Hellion and Surge just got him there). Cyclops will be watching this guy like a hawk so he'd have to sneak out and have his "reunion" with Wallflower. Unless he gains amnesia about the events that happenend in X-force (given his powers this shouldn't happen). I also want to see him fight with Wither (as I'm sure he is much much better with his powers). So I'm guessing Elixir will fix all characters he comes into contact with or sucumb to the legacy/phalanx thing himself, unconsciously rewrite it and make it more potent than before or something wild like that. Either way, Elixir will be the ace in the hole for Necrosha and I love it.

[coconutphone]

They said Elixir's knowledge of Hope will play out sooner rather than later. I hope he's not just an easy solution to Necrosha. I think K&Y have a bit more planned than that.

[infernohara]

They said Elixir's knowledge of Hope will play out sooner rather than later. I hope he's not just an easy solution to Necrosha. I think K&Y have a bit more planned than that.

I hope he doesn't either, but with Wither and Wallflower being big parts of the story, I'm sure he will too. Hope is why hes unconsious right now. Maybe he'll spill about hope after Necrosha because getting mind screwed is more important?

[AcesX1X]

really worried for rahne here. i don't know why she passed out, but not too happy about it.

x-23 has such strong spirit. and i like how she has no problems carrying her own severed arm and saving agent morales at the same time. hope she doesn't kill her tho! trigger scent is powerful stuff.

don't really care about the cuckoos. domino was justified in what she say.

[Washout]

I liked what Dr. Nemesis said about Surge and Hellion defending Elixir. It shows that these kids are still close, even though we don't see them interacting with one another any more.

[The Big G]

I liked what Dr. Nemesis said about Surge and Hellion defending Elixir. It shows that these kids are still close, even though we don't see them interacting with one another any more.

Very true. Even though each of them are walking their own path, Dust and Rockslide with the Young X-Men, Elixer and Laura with X-Force, and the rest doing what ever it is their doing and Hellion getting captured and stuff its good to see that they all still care about each other

[chickrockguitar]

Yay! I got my issue today! It ROCKED! Great story, great art! What else can you want!

Elixir had better wake soon. I love that Alani, Nori and Julian played a apart. I want Julian to go and confront Logan, and ask to help find Laura. :biggrin:

[The Big G]

I want Julian to go and confront Logan, and ask to help find Laura. :biggrin:

It would totally be within Julian's character to go ask Logan if he can help. Now whether or not Logan would let him help is a key question. But let's face it; untill C&C bless us with their presence we dont even know if Julian will show up next issue.

[Mia]

How exactly are these healing factors supposed to work? It would make more sense to me for a body part to grow back rather than reattaching a severed limb.

It works in the way that when you re-attached two original parts of a body the skin cells merge. I don't know how the regeneration of a limb works though.

I hope crazy chainsaw bitch goes after Hellion one day. no way he can survive that

LOL! I agree!

[Chaos_Alfa]

So the "H.A.M.M.E.R." guys are after Megan and possibly Debbie now? Interesting and I'm wondering who that third person is.It could be Wolverine or Kideon Nixon, who knows?

The third one is probably Zander Rice's son, who Laura kept alive after she assassinated his mother and (not biological) father,Martin Sutter.

[staceyandhitesh]

WTF!!!!!1
lol
LOA inly had a cameo scene
that is stupiedddd

[The Big G]

WTF!!!!!1
lol
LOA inly had a cameo scene
that is stupiedddd

be grateful she got a cameo at all. Considering she's one of the secondary New-X-Men a cameo's about as much as she's going to get...no offense.

[theXfactor]

Oh my. I just love this book so much I don't want it to end ever. The artwork is just gorgeous and what can I say about the writing? I think this is the best comic Marvel is publishing at the moment and I'm really sad this creative team will stay only until 30. Also, Domino had the best line in the issue ("frost-lite") :tongue: .

EDIT: I forgot to say, but I'm really mad at editorial right now. Isn't part of their jobs to make sure everything fits continuity-wise? It's just incompetence, imo.

[Victorious]

I don't know who you are but i think you right damn it lets discuss Josh







The Only time he has used his powers unconciously was when he turned himself Gold, itwas stated when Rahne attacked him that he needed to be awake but he has gotten a power up since then.





My theory is that he is evolving to the next level, it's what Omega's do when they reach a certain limit they change to adapt i.e the Iceman went through something similar wth his Organic Ice form

Elixir's change should be even more impressive seeing as his power is more living linked it allows me to fantasize that Elixir is evolving into a Celestial or beyonder like being that would be sweet




The Gold was not inorganic it is normal skin just the pigment colour is made gold, I like the Black and Gold it gives Elixir a Yin/yang concept.

As for hanging himself he could do much more give he could easilly make himslf the most powerfull person on the planet....he doesn't though


By using his powers in an unconscious way I meant that he didn’t know what he was doing. That he didn’t know how to cure what he was curing or the biological processes that were involve or that he needed to modify. Not that he was “unconscious” or in “a coma”. Conscious as in being aware and having knowledge of what you’re doing. After having Hank’s knowledge he consciously use his powers on certain specific way (like when creating a heart for David, he was remembering all of the heart’s parts and creating them).
But that was not always the case, before having all this knowledge he just cause things he didn’t know how to do (repowering someone, making his skin gold). That’s what I’m saying. Maybe his power just grants him instinctive knowledge on everything related to a biological organism. A la Forge, but with organic stuff.

I do hope he does not evolve into a Celestial or anything like that. I like him the way he is now, I normal kid with a lot of power and potential and doesn’t know what to do with it. We don’t need to give the kid anymore power. Yes use his power in more creative ways (like K&Y are doing), but not give him more power. Not yet, pleasee.

The Yin Yang symbol is black & white (not gold and black), so if anything his skin should be really white/pale/albino when using his healing powers. But the Yin Yang does not represent that at all, black is not “bad” and white is not “good”, that’s not the Yin Yang concept.

[Puunk]

The art is so gorgeous as usually! I loved Domino's interaction with the Cuckoos, what a bad bitch!

I'm kinda over the Rahne sublplot seems as though it's been dragged on forever.

Yeah, the Rahne story's been like a filler if you ask me. Everything else is great.

[Washout]

Yeah, the Rahne story's been like a filler if you ask me. Everything else is great.

It has been filler, but it is obviously building up to something. Kyle and Yost wouldn't be keeping her around like this if something weren't happening with her. we know she's rejoining the team very soon, so we'll have to wait and see.

[Dave13]

be grateful she got a cameo at all. Considering she's one of the secondary New-X-Men a cameo's about as much as she's going to get...no offense.

I gotta say she was drawn pretty hot in this cameo

I do hope he does not evolve into a Celestial or anything like that. I like him the way he is now, I normal kid with a lot of power and potential and doesn’t know what to do with it. We don’t need to give the kid anymore power. Yes use his power in more creative ways (like K&Y are doing), but not give him more power. Not yet, pleasee.

You're right he should evolve into a Beyonder like power that wouldbe even more fun

But you're plan sounds good too

[Home made ectoplasm]

Dave13, you fascinate me, please start posting in X-Cress

[Daniel Mengsk]

You're right he should evolve into a Beyonder like power that wouldbe even more fun

Why would you want Elixir to turn into some half-finished cube?

[Dave13]

Dave13, you fascinate me, please start posting in X-Cress

When you say it like that i get the whole Charles Darwin and the turtle vibe it kind of scary

[Puunk]

It has been filler, but it is obviously building up to something. Kyle and Yost wouldn't be keeping her around like this if something weren't happening with her. we know she's rejoining the team very soon, so we'll have to wait and see.

Yeah, I agree. Wouldn't it be great if the storyline was somehow connected to the others?

Right now though, I'm feeling bleh over it. With Rahne out though, I do wonder what's gonna happen.

[4sake]

Yeah, I agree. Wouldn't it be great if the storyline was somehow connected to the others?

Right now though, I'm feeling bleh over it. With Rahne out though, I do wonder what's gonna happen.

I'm sure it will at some point. :cool:

[FeminineMystique]

The art is so gorgeous as usually! I loved Domino's interaction with the Cuckoos, what a bad bitch!



You just KNOW Logan gave her a spanking for that afterwards:wink:

Very true. Even though each of them are walking their own path, Dust and Rockslide with the Young X-Men, Elixer and Laura with X-Force, and the rest doing what ever it is their doing and Hellion getting captured and stuff its good to see that they all still care about each other

Hopefully we'll be seeing more of that in Legacy with the new direction

[Dave13]

Why would you want Elixir to turn into some half-finished cube?

Newer retcon where hewas an Inhuman with as Mutant gene

[The Big G]

Hopefully we'll be seeing more of that in Legacy with the new direction

You want to see Julian get captured more but in new ways?

[FeminineMystique]

You want to see Julian get captured more but in new ways?

He DOES look good tied up:wink: But I meant the New X-Men interacting with each other as their going to be getting a starring role

[CmX]

It has been filler, but it is obviously building up to something. Kyle and Yost wouldn't be keeping her around like this if something weren't happening with her. we know she's rejoining the team very soon, so we'll have to wait and see.

Yeah I don't doubt the writers they are obviously going to do something with this sub plot. It just seems as though it has taken a fair amount of issues and we still don't know where it's going really.

[Ratstar]

I'm hoping that it just builds up to Rahne rejoining at the Necrosha crossover, then ending up going to join the New Mutants. She probably fits better back there really, and while they're doing a good job cramming so much in, maybe a couple extra pages for the rest of X-Force would be good.

Hope there's at least one last scene between Rahne and Josh though.

[The Big G]

He DOES look good tied up:wink: But I meant the New X-Men interacting with each other as their going to be getting a starring role

ok just making sure. With you its hard to tell.

Personally i'd like to see Mercury get some more screen time she hasnt done much lately. Though i do feel sorry for her and Laura being in the Pixie mini

[gacc3000]

do any one know when does necrosha starts? and if its going to be an event like Messiah Complex or is it X-Force bound?

[The Big G]

do any one know when does necrosha starts? and if its going to be an event like Messiah Complex or is it X-Force bound?

Necrosha officially starts in November or mid October. Its kinda of a three way crossover between, Legacy, New-Mutants and X-Force

[FeminineMystique]

ok just making sure. With you its hard to tell.

Personally i'd like to see Mercury get some more screen time she hasnt done much lately. Though i do feel sorry for her and Laura being in the Pixie mini

My tastes are well known:wink:

[gacc3000]

Necrosha officially starts in November or mid October. Its kinda of a three way crossover between, Legacy, New-Mutants and X-Force

Nice i will have to pick up some new mutants then to know what is going on there.

[Chris Yost]

Thanks for the kind words, you guys.

Both X-Force 20 and the Necrosha One-Shot come out October 21st, if I'm not mistaken.

Morales' bad-assery isn't done. And issue 20 is a little on the heart-breaking side. For me, anyway, but I'm a soft touch.

c

[FeminineMystique]

Thanks for the kind words, you guys.

Both X-Force 20 and the Necrosha One-Shot come out October 21st, if I'm not mistaken.

Morales' bad-assery isn't done. And issue 20 is a little on the heart-breaking side. For me, anyway, but I'm a soft touch.

c

You're going to kill her off, aren't you?:frown: The minute I saw her in this ish I knew it. Doomed tragic red shirt.

You're lucky this is one of the best X-titles around. I can forgive you:biggrin:

[The Big G]

Thanks for the kind words, you guys.

Both X-Force 20 and the Necrosha One-Shot come out October 21st, if I'm not mistaken.

Morales' bad-assery isn't done. And issue 20 is a little on the heart-breaking side. For me, anyway, but I'm a soft touch.

c

Sweet. Way to continue kicking ass and taking names.

Just one question, do we get a Hellion cameo in 20 or is he done for this arc? Wouldn't put it pass him to ignore Scott's orders though.

[Ratstar]

This issue I instantly read Morales as Michelle Rodriguez >_>

[chickrockguitar]

Thanks for the kind words, you guys.

Both X-Force 20 and the Necrosha One-Shot come out October 21st, if I'm not mistaken.

Morales' bad-assery isn't done. And issue 20 is a little on the heart-breaking side. For me, anyway, but I'm a soft touch.

c*waves* Hey Chris.

Oh god, now I'm worried. :eek: :biggrin:

Chris, is that it for Hellion now? Has he got anymore apperances in this arc?
And, how long will it be until Josh is back in the land of the non-coma? (he seems to live there a lot - this is what, his third one? The second one you guys have put him in, lol!)

[Grunty]

You're going to kill her off, aren't you?:frown: The minute I saw her in this ish I knew it. Doomed tragic red shirt.

You're lucky this is one of the best X-titles around. I can forgive you:biggrin:

Don't give her up yet, maybe she makes it and the little heart breaking moment will instead be Logan hugging Laura.

Would be a nice contrast to the lecture he gave her back in X-force #4, when he told her that both their lives are worthless compared to Rhanes.

And, how long will it be until Josh is back in the land of the non-coma? (he seems to live there a lot - this is what, his third one? The second one you guys have put him in, lol!)

I'm pretty certain he will be back in Necrosha, after all the thing between him, Laurie and Wither has to be settled.

[Chaos_Alfa]

do any one know when does necrosha starts? and if its going to be an event like Messiah Complex or is it X-Force bound?
Just read this and you will know everything you have to know for Necrosha.

http://www.weeklycrisis.com/2009/09/top-10-tuesdays-10-things-you-need-to.html

[theXfactor]

Thanks for the kind words, you guys.

Both X-Force 20 and the Necrosha One-Shot come out October 21st, if I'm not mistaken.

Morales' bad-assery isn't done. And issue 20 is a little on the heart-breaking side. For me, anyway, but I'm a soft touch.

c

Hi Chris. I gotta say I love your work in X-force (it's my favourite X-book, and that's saying a lot), but I was confused about how X-force fits with the events of Utopia. Can you lighten things up a bit for me?

[Anna]

Thanks for the kind words, you guys.

Both X-Force 20 and the Necrosha One-Shot come out October 21st, if I'm not mistaken.

Morales' bad-assery isn't done. And issue 20 is a little on the heart-breaking side. For me, anyway, but I'm a soft touch.

c

Oh, dear... :evilsmile:

[The Big G]

Oh, dear... :evilsmile:

indeed :evilsmile:

[DeadPool2]

I Wanted to see Julians reaction!!
to her missin

[The Big G]

I Wanted to see Julians reaction!!
to her missin

His reaction was that he wanted to go out and save her because he cares about her.

If you were expecting some kinda of confession of his feelings your reading the wrong comic book friend.

What we got was about all we should have suspected from him.

[DeadPool2]

His reaction was that he wanted to go out and save her because he cares about her.

If you were expecting some kinda of confession of his feelings your reading the wrong comic book friend.

What we got was about all we should have suspected from him.

Like remember when he says "I heard Wolverine say he couldnt find Laura"
I wanted to see his reaction right at that moment!
When he heard that

[The Big G]

Like remember when he says "I heard Wolverine say he couldnt find Laura"
I wanted to see his reaction right at that moment!
When he heard that

I imagine he would be worried. Though seeing his facial expression would have added some nice development for the two.

[Shadowkurt]

A fantastic issue, as X-Force almost always is.

The interaction between Laura and Morales was outstanding. I would really like Morales to stay around, however knowing Kyle and Yost, I'm pretty much convinced she won't make it through No. 20 alive.

Interesting detail: when Kimura was stuck under the door, she called out "Laura". Until now, she has always called her "X" or "clone", and explicitly did not consider her a human being. If that was not just a glitch by K&Y (highly unlikely), then it might mean that even Kimura has by now come to see her as a person.

And like other posters have said: I just don't feel Rahne (who is one of my favorite five comic book characters) belongs in this book, at least after the first arc with her father. She ought to be in X-Factor or New Mutants. On the other hand, both her wolf and transition forms have never been drawn better than by Choi/Oback.

[coveredinbees]

I liked it, but I wish we could skip Laura and move straight to Selene.
Were Wither and Senyaka the ones holding Destiny?

[The Big G]

I liked it, but I wish we could skip Laura and move straight to Selene.
Were Wither and Senyaka the ones holding Destiny?

I think so.

Only one more week of Laura CB, just hold on a little longer and let us Laura fans have our fun

[chickrockguitar]

I liked it, but I wish we could skip Laura and move straight to Selene.:evilangry: :evilangry: :evilangry: We've waited long enough for this.

Only one more week of Laura CB, just hold on a little longer and let us Laura fans have our funWell said.

[Dave13]

I think so.

Only one more week of Laura CB, just hold on a little longer and let us Laura fans have our fun

o i' confused i thought that this storylinewas gonna be played out in a mini arc like 4 issues?

[The Big G]

o i' confused i thought that this storylinewas gonna be played out in a mini arc like 4 issues?

It started out in July right after Messiah War and its gunna end in October, which is this month lol

[FeminineMystique]

I think so.

Only one more week of Laura CB, just hold on a little longer and let us Laura fans have our fun

:biggrin: If the cover is accurate, next ish is Laura-riffic

And I still can't believe SENYAKA has been brought back. I mean I was expecting the big name mutants to return for Necrosha but Senyaka? LOIS LONDON? I love how they've brought back the obscure guys like that (Yes, I know Lois has a massive appreciation thread on this page, I mean obscure as in "Casual readers haven't heard of them")

[Azure]

I hope Dr Harkins turns up again soon.

[The Big G]

:biggrin: If the cover is accurate, next ish is Laura-riffic

Myst we should know by now that all the covers are misleading. So dont expect the Legion of Laurars :frown:

[CrimsonComedian]

Thanks for the kind words, you guys.

Both X-Force 20 and the Necrosha One-Shot come out October 21st, if I'm not mistaken.

Morales' bad-assery isn't done. And issue 20 is a little on the heart-breaking side. For me, anyway, but I'm a soft touch.

c

NOOOO!!! :frown: :frown: Morales better not die.

[FeminineMystique]

Myst we should know by now that all the covers are misleading. So dont expect the Legion of Laurars :frown:

Awwwwww:frown: I wanted an entire issue of Lauras. The Laura Legion could have their own comic where they kick ass and are adorable while they do it! :biggrin:

I'd even started thinking up a theme song

[The Big G]

Awwwwww:frown: I wanted an entire issue of Lauras. The Laura Legion could have their own comic where they kick ass and are adorable while they do it! :biggrin:

I'd even started thinking up a theme song

I'd like to seem them develop their own personalities like the Cuckoos and fight over Julian.

[Victorious]

I'd even started thinking up a theme song


please share

[FeminineMystique]

please share

Still kind of in the "Idea" stage, but when it's ready I'll unleash it upon you. Just remember you asked for it:evilsmile: :tongue:

I'd like to seem them develop their own personalities like the Cuckoos and fight over Julian.

Oh that would be hillarious. :biggrin: We could have Punk Laura, New Wave Laura, Goth Laura, Hippy Laura, Right&Left Wing Laura's (They keep stabbing each other in the face) Nympho Laura, Bhuddist Laura...every kind under the sun!:biggrin:

[Grunty]

Oh that would be hillarious. :biggrin: We could have Punk Laura, New Wave Laura, Goth Laura, Hippy Laura, Right&Left Wing Laura's (They keep stabbing each other in the face) Nympho Laura, Bhuddist Laura...every kind under the sun!:biggrin:

So basicly like Madrox?

Also reminds me to one of my favorit manga, in which the three surviving clones of the main character become entirely different persons, with two being carefree and fame obsessed and the other one a somewhat stupid combat maniac.

[Shush]

And once again X-force proves itself to be the best X-title this month. Bravo.

[FeminineMystique]

So basicly like Madrox?

Also reminds me to one of my favorit manga, in which the three surviving clones of the main character become entirely different persons, with two being carefree and fame obsessed and the other one a somewhat stupid combat maniac.

Madrox and the Legion of Laura could double date. :biggrin:

And which manga is that? It sounds fammiliar

[The Big G]

Oh that would be hillarious. :biggrin: We could have Punk Laura, New Wave Laura, Goth Laura, Hippy Laura, Right&Left Wing Laura's (They keep stabbing each other in the face) Nympho Laura, Bhuddist Laura...every kind under the sun!:biggrin:

You forgot about cheerleader laura and barbie laura!



Madrox and the Legion of Laura could double date. :biggrin:

No! they're supposed to fight over Julian! It would be extremely funny!

[FeminineMystique]

You forgot about cheerleader laura and barbie laura!

Cheerleader Laura is always getting grief for extending her claws mid-cheer. The team captain can only see out of one eye now:eek:

[QUOTE]No! they're supposed to fight over Julian! It would be extremely funny!

Yeah, one would take Julian out but then three more turn up at the restaurant on their double date, and it's "Oh No you DIDN'T" when they see him as arm candy for one of their "Sisters". Before you know it we're got hillarity and the restaurant has one hell of a repair bill

[The Big G]

Cheerleader Laura is always getting grief for extending her claws mid-cheer. The team captain can only see out of one eye now:eek:

Plus Cheerleader Laura and Cessily are BFFs who gossip all the time


Yeah, one would take Julian out but then three more turn up at the restaurant on their double date, and it's "Oh No you DIDN'T" when they see him as arm candy for one of their "Sisters". Before you know it we're got hillarity and the restaurant has one hell of a repair bill[/QUOTE]

You know in a scenario like this one might actually feel sorry for the J-man. I'd like to see Laura-Prime mark her territory in some way much to Julians' embarrassment.

[FeminineMystique]

Plus Cheerleader Laura and Cessily are BFFs who gossip all the time

And rate how cute the X-boys are, of course.

You know in a scenario like this one might actually feel sorry for the J-man. I'd like to see Laura-Prime mark her territory in some way much to Julians' embarrassment.

Mark her territory?:biggrin: Oh the mental images I'm having right now.

Just for example: Julian wakes up to find that Laura has tattooed "Property of X-23" on his forehead (The Legion of Laura's being named X-24, X-25 etc)

[The Big G]

And rate how cute the X-boys are, of course.

Laura of course ranks Julian the highest but since Julian is like a brother to Cess she finds it icky


Mark her territory?:biggrin: Oh the mental images I'm having right now.

Just for example: Julian wakes up to find that Laura has tattooed "Property of X-23" on his forehead (The Legion of Laura's being named X-24, X-25 etc)

Maybe i should have worded that one better.:biggrin:

I was thinking more in line of the family guy episode when lois grabs peter's crotch in public and cries out "See this! THis is MIne! This is where my babies come from"

Just imagine Laura saying that in front of all the other denizens of Utopia.

[FeminineMystique]

Laura of course ranks Julian the highest but since Julian is like a brother to Cess she finds it icky

Especially when X starts talking about how she watches him sleep:biggrin:

Maybe i should have worded that one better.:biggrin:

I was thinking more in line of the family guy episode when lois grabs peter's crotch in public and cries out "See this! THis is MIne! This is where my babies come from"

Just imagine Laura saying that in front of all the other denizens of Utopia.

:biggrin: I so want that to happen now. And, given Land's "Source material" he should be able to find plenty of pics of women grabbing mens crotches to trace for that scene:wink:

[The Big G]

Especially when X starts talking about how she watches him sleep:biggrin:

and steals his clothes. Cess learns that Cheerleader Laura is also stalker laura!

:biggrin: I so want that to happen now. And, given Land's "Source material" he should be able to find plenty of pics of women grabbing mens crotches to trace for that scene:wink:

I figure you would want to say that.

I'd personally like to see everyone's reaction to her saying. I'd imagine Surge and Rockslide laughing their asses off. Logan would be furious, Josh would be raise an eyebrow and so on

[FeminineMystique]

and steals his clothes. Cess learns that Cheerleader Laura is also stalker laura!

It's when she finds the little shrine she's made out of Julian's old clothes that she really starts to worry.

I figure you would want to say that.

I'd personally like to see everyone's reaction to her saying. I'd imagine Surge and Rockslide laughing their asses off. Logan would be furious, Josh would be raise an eyebrow and so on

Rockslide and Surge would TORTURE Julian about that for months afterwards:biggrin: He'd never get away from the laughter

[Robbiebob_16]

I hope Dr Harkins turns up again soon.
I do too. I loved how bitchy he was!

[The Big G]

It's when she finds the little shrine she's made out of Julian's old clothes that she really starts to worry.

Indeed. But then she realizes that Cheerleader/Stalker Laura is five times better than Pixie and deals with it.

Rockslide and Surge would TORTURE Julian about that for months afterwards:biggrin: He'd never get away from the laughter

They'll start calling him Mr. Laura Kinney

[Grunty]

Madrox and the Legion of Laura could double date. :biggrin:

And which manga is that? It sounds fammiliar

I can see the people allready saying "get yourself a hotel".

It's called Battle Angel Alita: Last Order. It's the sequel to the manga Battle Angel Alita.

If you want i can give you a short summary.

[Anna]

I'd like to seem them develop their own personalities like the Cuckoos and fight over Julian.

Still kind of in the "Idea" stage, but when it's ready I'll unleash it upon you. Just remember you asked for it:evilsmile: :tongue:



Oh that would be hillarious. :biggrin: We could have Punk Laura, New Wave Laura, Goth Laura, Hippy Laura, Right&Left Wing Laura's (They keep stabbing each other in the face) Nympho Laura, Bhuddist Laura...every kind under the sun!:biggrin:

You forgot about cheerleader laura and barbie laura!





No! they're supposed to fight over Julian! It would be extremely funny!

Plus Cheerleader Laura and Cessily are BFFs who gossip all the time


Yeah, one would take Julian out but then three more turn up at the restaurant on their double date, and it's "Oh No you DIDN'T" when they see him as arm candy for one of their "Sisters". Before you know it we're got hillarity and the restaurant has one hell of a repair bill

You know in a scenario like this one might actually feel sorry for the J-man. I'd like to see Laura-Prime mark her territory in some way much to Julians' embarrassment.[/QUOTE]


Which issue of Alpha Flight had the villain Headlock facing down a dozen different Aurora/Jeanne Marie personalities?

[FeminineMystique]

I can see the people allready saying "get yourself a hotel".

It's called Battle Angel Alita: Last Order. It's the sequel to the manga Battle Angel Alita.

If you want i can give you a short summary.

Thanks honey! I was a big fan of Battle Angel Alita but I haven't picked up Last Order yet. Worth a read then?

[x-23]

The third one is probably Zander Rice's son, who Laura kept alive after she assassinated his mother and (not biological) father,Martin Sutter.

Herny is the sons name.

[Grunty]

Thanks honey! I was a big fan of Battle Angel Alita but I haven't picked up Last Order yet. Worth a read then?

Sorry everyone for not talking X-force or X-men in this comment.

That depends on it.

The original BAA was a compact and nice story in itself. Last Order takes it and enlarges the world.
If Battle Angel Alita is The Hobbit, than Last Order is the Lord of Rings.

Okay just in case you don't know it, but the original BAA ended in a bit of a rush because the creator had health problems back then. So he wrapped everything up in that last one chapter. Which you have to admit he still did pretty good (and a certain X-men writer could take an example on that).
Originaly he wanted to make the story a bit more longer, by showing what's on the other end of Zalem's pillar (not just the gravity generator). The BAA Playstation game (yep there was one in japan) actualy plays that scenario out.

Anyway time passed and Yukito's health got better again. So he thought to finish the big plan he had for the series and created Last Order, it basicly goes back to the point where Alita got blown up by Nova and tells the story different from there, making the whole thing an alternative continuity.

Now i really like Last Order, but that's a matter of taste if you ask me.

It's still the same series, the same universe and the same action style, but much more spread out and bigger. Yukito now takes more time to tell the story.

Not to spoil too much but Alita goes into space to find out what happend to a friend and sees what the world has become after the big war, how it actualy happend and somehow get's involved into the solar politics.

Between this you also have a big tournament going on called ZOTT (a mini war between the political powers), which so far goes over 7 volumes and is constantly interrupted by inbetween events and flashbacks (at least two volumes tell the tale on how the world became what it was at the beginning).
To be honest i simply skipped the flashback volumes.

The series is still ongoing and it seems that after the ZOTT the story will go to Mars.

So if you liked BAA, it might still worth to try out Last Order, but you have to be patient with the series.

If you want to try it out i suggest reading the first three volumes since they are a bit of a prologue to the rest of it (a connection between the earth events and the space events).

Oh and by the way, i'm kind of aware that it's strange how the end of last month's X-force issue could shock me a bit despite being a regular BAA LO reader.

I can't explain it but it was really strange to look at. I mean in BAA we have all kinds of violence and blood, but seeing Laura there with her arm being chopped off and that hollow look in her eyes still got me. Sure something like that would get me in BAA too, but not in the same way.

I guess i still seperate my perspective on comics and manga too much.

[Leirus]

I can see the people allready saying "get yourself a hotel".

It's called Battle Angel Alita: Last Order. It's the sequel to the manga Battle Angel Alita.

If you want i can give you a short summary.

Or you can read it at www.mangafox.com. It is really cool

[Grunty]

Or you can read it at www.mangafox.com. It is really cool

Feminine Mystique allready that she has read it.

[FeminineMystique]

Sorry everyone for not talking X-force or X-men in this comment.

That depends on it.

The original BAA was a compact and nice story in itself. Last Order takes it and enlarges the world.
If Battle Angel Alita is The Hobbit, than Last Order is the Lord of Rings.

Okay just in case you don't know it, but the original BAA ended in a bit of a rush because the creator had health problems back then. So he wrapped everything up in that last one chapter. Which you have to admit he still did pretty good (and a certain X-men writer could take an example on that).
Originaly he wanted to make the story a bit more longer, by showing what's on the other end of Zalem's pillar (not just the gravity generator). The BAA Playstation game (yep there was one in japan) actualy plays that scenario out.

Anyway time passed and Yukito's health got better again. So he thought to finish the big plan he had for the series and created Last Order, it basicly goes back to the point where Alita got blown up by Nova and tells the story different from there, making the whole thing an alternative continuity.

Now i really like Last Order, but that's a matter of taste if you ask me.

It's still the same series, the same universe and the same action style, but much more spread out and bigger. Yukito now takes more time to tell the story.

Not to spoil too much but Alita goes into space to find out what happend to a friend and sees what the world has become after the big war, how it actualy happend and somehow get's involved into the solar politics.

Between this you also have a big tournament going on called ZOTT (a mini war between the political powers), which so far goes over 7 volumes and is constantly interrupted by inbetween events and flashbacks (at least two volumes tell the tale on how the world became what it was at the beginning).
To be honest i simply skipped the flashback volumes.

The series is still ongoing and it seems that after the ZOTT the story will go to Mars.

So if you liked BAA, it might still worth to try out Last Order, but you have to be patient with the series.

If you want to try it out i suggest reading the first three volumes since they are a bit of a prologue to the rest of it (a connection between the earth events and the space events).

Oh and by the way, i'm kind of aware that it's strange how the end of last month's X-force issue could shock me a bit despite being a regular BAA LO reader.

I can't explain it but it was really strange to look at. I mean in BAA we have all kinds of violence and blood, but seeing Laura there with her arm being chopped off and that hollow look in her eyes still got me. Sure something like that would get me in BAA too, but not in the same way.

I guess i still seperate my perspective on comics and manga too much.

I think it was definitely meant to shock. And terrify Laura fans that she might be getting killed off (On that second part, it worked like a charm on me)

[Blood Witch]

HI,

I have recently getting back into comics (x-force pulled me back in, Im a fan of archangel) so I have been doing allot of research and have a question.

The spires that Bastion is building. Are they related to the T.O. Virus?
I was reading about the spires that the phalanx would build and wondered if they were related.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phalanx_%28comics%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Techno-organic_virus

[FeminineMystique]

HI,

I have recently getting back into comics (x-force pulled me back in, Im a fan of archangel) so I have been doing allot of research and have a question.

The spires that Bastion is building. Are they related to the T.O. Virus?
I was reading about the spires that the phalanx would build and wondered if they were related.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phalanx_%28comics%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Techno-organic_virus

I'd say that's a safe bet. I get the feeling Bastion is really going to regret using the T.O virus given Eli Bard's part in its recovery. I'm getting a "Wooden Horse of Troy" vibe there:biggrin:

[Fatguy]

Awesome, awesome issue. Kimura has to be the biggest bitch in comics.

The Wolfsbane stuff is making me wonder if something else is going on there. It's like Total Recall. It feels very dreamy and almost fantasy like, I wonder if Rahne's lost it and none of this is actually happening, that she's actually killing random people or animals or something and not frost giants while lost in her fantasy. And maybe that's why she collapsed, they found her with cerebra and saw that she had flipped her shit so they shut her down.

I dunno, or its just a slowly unfolding subplot with no subtext at all. I'm ok either way.

[Home made ectoplasm]

The Wolfsbane stuff is making me wonder if something else is going on there. It's like Total Recall. It feels very dreamy and almost fantasy like, I wonder if Rahne's lost it and none of this is actually happening, that she's actually killing random people or animals or something and not frost giants while lost in her fantasy. And maybe that's why she collapsed, they found her with cerebra and saw that she had flipped her shit so they shut her down.

That would be great.

[Unkillable Cat]

I rarely post, and I am well aware of that my opinion is pretty much opposite of what the majority of the posters here share, mainly because I'm not afraid to tear into a writer if I think they deserve it. And I think Kyle & Yost deserve it for what they're doing with X-Force.

Have you ever sat with a group of people, discussing literary characters from yesterday and how cool it would be to see them being used with modern-day characters? That's what Kyle & Yost are doing with the X-Men (modern-day characters) and the dead C to Z-List characters (characters from yesterday) that they're resurrecting like they have the son of God on speed dial. I don't mind the resurrections, as this is the comics industry after all, but with every dead character brought back to life in X-Force the amount of Fail involved increases as it's clear as day that Kyle & Yost didn't do the research behind the characters...especially finding the answers to the questions "How did they die?" and "Where are they now?" But most importantly, it's the fact that they think nobody will notice that irks me, and propably others whom choose to stay silent.

I could give you examples of this with Cameron Hodge, Bastion, Stryfe and Bolivar Trask, but I'll keep it short and focus on the latest blunder: Destiny. I'll just let Wikipedia state the obvious with the words:

Mystique then scattered her ashes into the sea.

This was in X-Factor Annual #6, and it's very hard to forget the story...if you read it to begin with.

I'd love to hear how...well, anyone...can bring her back from that without resorting to magic.

X-Force is, due to lack of proofreading, the worst X-title out there today. There's still hope to fix that, but with every passing issue that hope dies a bit more.

[chickrockguitar]

I'd love to hear how...well, anyone...can bring her back from that without resorting to magic.But isn't that what's happening? Magic.

X-Force is, due to lack of proofreading, the worst X-title out there today. There's still hope to fix that, but with every passing issue that hope dies a bit more.I think you're one of the minority who have that opinion, dude.

And wow. If only you enthusiasm could be pointed at the titles that actually do suck.

[RickyD410]

You're free to think whatever you like. But I absolutely love X-Force, and everything thats happening with it. Destiny really isnt that big of a deal. This is a comic book. Anything can happen. We thought Shadowcat scattered Colossus's ashes as well. Turned out she didnt.

Sorry you're not enjoying the book as much as we are. Hopefully you find a comic book thats real enough for you to enjoy.

[coveredinbees]

Destiny\
I'd love to hear how...well, anyone...can bring her back from that without resorting to magic.
Selene can do magic, and was even a candidate to be the next Sorcerer Supreme (http://i34.tinypic.com/30vlyk1.jpg). But I'd like an explanation, too. Maybe in Legacy, since Destiny's going to be big there.

[Imraith Nimphais]

That's one of the issues that I've been conveniently overlooking...the "not so random" resurrections of all and sundry when it has been clearly established that certain corpses should not even be available for resurrection...I sincerely hope it's not a case of "...let's resurrect mutant X because it will be so cool" without any plausible thought as to how and why but, I have acccepted far worse plots in the past, so...wot-ever.

[chrissstopher]

I rarely post, and I am well aware of that my opinion is pretty much opposite of what the majority of the posters here share, mainly because I'm not afraid to tear into a writer if I think they deserve it. And I think Kyle & Yost deserve it for what they're doing with X-Force.

Have you ever sat with a group of people, discussing literary characters from yesterday and how cool it would be to see them being used with modern-day characters? That's what Kyle & Yost are doing with the X-Men (modern-day characters) and the dead C to Z-List characters (characters from yesterday) that they're resurrecting like they have the son of God on speed dial. I don't mind the resurrections, as this is the comics industry after all, but with every dead character brought back to life in X-Force the amount of Fail involved increases as it's clear as day that Kyle & Yost didn't do the research behind the characters...especially finding the answers to the questions "How did they die?" and "Where are they now?" But most importantly, it's the fact that they think nobody will notice that irks me, and propably others whom choose to stay silent.

I could give you examples of this with Cameron Hodge, Bastion, Stryfe and Bolivar Trask, but I'll keep it short and focus on the latest blunder: Destiny. I'll just let Wikipedia state the obvious with the words:



This was in X-Factor Annual #6, and it's very hard to forget the story...if you read it to begin with.

I'd love to hear how...well, anyone...can bring her back from that without resorting to magic.

X-Force is, due to lack of proofreading, the worst X-title out there today. There's still hope to fix that, but with every passing issue that hope dies a bit more.

Well, the same way Warlock was brought back even though he was ashes as well... techno-organic material seems to be able to rebuilt itself even after its ashes. Add that to Selene's magic and its easily explainable.

[Grunty]

This was in X-Factor Annual #6, and it's very hard to forget the story...if you read it to begin with.

I allready pointed that one out three times in the past, since the first time it was hinted that Destiny would come back in necrosha. I had read about that the scene of Mystique throwing her ash into the sea on TV tropes (since Destiny knew very well what would happen if Mystique did it at that place) a few weeks before the first hints.

So you are not the only one who complained about her return making little sense. However i gave up pointing it out after nobody here seemed to have any problem with it.

Well, the same way Warlock was brought back even though he was ashes as well... techno-organic material seems to be able to rebuilt itself even after its ashes. Add that to Selene's magic and its easily explainable.

Still doesn't explain how they could find the ash, if it should have allready dissolved in the sea years ago. Except they scrapped it off from Mystiques face, but i doubt it would still be there either.

[Grunty]

Sorry double post.

[chrissstopher]

I allready pointed that out three times in the past since it was hinted that Destiny came back since i had read about that the scene of Mystique throwing her ash into the sea on TV tropes (since Destiny knew very well what would happen if Mystique did it at that place).

So you are not the only one who complained about her return making little sense. I somewhat gave up too after having pointed that out these three times.

I explained it in the post directly above yours

[infernohara]

You guys make a lot of sense wuith the characters being brought back. I can see the people that died and were buried, but ashes? Magic is a played out excuse and I really haven't seen Selene use it much. She does have the potential, but when was the last time she spoke an actual spell?


I can honestly say that maybe the answeer lies with one of her contract killers. None of them were dead and brought back so my guess is that Selene kept a watchful eye on destiny. After Mystique left the area perhaps she used her "animate unliving object" power and had the ashes reform in which she kept in a jar or something. There is also that grandson of hers to get potential DNA. (don't really see how this helps but whatev)

[Victorious]

Still kind of in the "Idea" stage, but when it's ready I'll unleash it upon you. Just remember you asked for it:evilsmile: :tongue:

Lol, i've be waiting!

QUOTE=Fatguy;9744656]Awesome, awesome issue. Kimura has to be the biggest bitch in comics.

The Wolfsbane stuff is making me wonder if something else is going on there. It's like Total Recall. It feels very dreamy and almost fantasy like, I wonder if Rahne's lost it and none of this is actually happening, that she's actually killing random people or animals or something and not frost giants while lost in her fantasy. And maybe that's why she collapsed, they found her with cerebra and saw that she had flipped her shit so they shut her down.

I dunno, or its just a slowly unfolding subplot with no subtext at all. I'm ok either way.[/QUOTE]

great great idea, maybe some sort of illusion created by someone (Selene?) in her head. poor Rahne, if this is true, her love life will still continue to suck...

[Grunty]

I explained it in the post directly above yours

You mean Selene used magic got get the ash back?

[Pixie_Solanas]

Flipped through this, a lot of chick to chick talky dialogue.

[DeadXMan]

Flipped through this, a lot of chick to chick talky dialogue.

sexy chick to chick talking:wink:

[chrissstopher]

You mean Selene used magic got get the ash back?

That combined with techno-organic material... which has shown in the past that it can recover someone/something from ash... as it did with Warlock... he was ash... he got better.

[worstblogever]

Today I wondered if part of Hela's deal with Dani Moonstar will be that she has to use her Valkyrie abilities to kill Hrimhari for Hela, since it's one of her best friend's lovers. That would be all sorts of drama.

[RickyD410]

Today I wondered if part of Hela's deal with Dani Moonstar will be that she has to use her Valkyrie abilities to kill Hrimhari for Hela, since it's one of her best friend's lovers. That would be all sorts of drama.

That would make things interesting, for sure. But I dont think that'll happen, because we were told that the fallout from Dani's deal would be seen in New Mutants, and Hrimhari and Wolfsbane is happening in X-Force.

[Novaya Havoc]

WAIT.

Did Lois London appear in this issue?

[RickyD410]

WAIT.

Did Lois London appear in this issue?

No. Of Selene's crew, only Senyaka, Wither, Destiny, and Selene herself appeared.

[AcesX1X]

destiny looked like a hostage to me?

[The Big G]

sexy chick to chick talking:wink:

amen brother:biggrin:

[RickyD410]

destiny looked like a hostage to me?

Yeah. She definitely looked like she was forced to be there.

[FeminineMystique]

Yeah. She definitely looked like she was forced to be there.

Either she's still got her original personality and doesn't support Selene...or that's just what those two are into:wink:

[The Big G]

Either she's still got her original personality and doesn't support Selene...or that's just what those two are into:wink:


Myst....remember not everything can be sexual....

[RickyD410]

Either she's still got her original personality and doesn't support Selene...or that's just what those two are into:wink:

Hahaha. Or maybe she's just been dead so long, that her muscles cant support her weight at all. It looked like her body just wasnt working very well. But I dont think Senyaka cared about being gentle.

[FeminineMystique]

Myst....remember not everything can be sexual....

I know *Sigh of regret*:biggrin: :wink:

But seriously, my guess is that the ressurected Destiny has free will somehow and doesn't have to obey Selene's commands. Hence Selene's two boy-toys keeping her restrained

[RickyD410]

I know *Sigh of regret*:biggrin: :wink:

But seriously, my guess is that the ressurected Destiny has free will somehow and doesn't have to obey Selene's commands. Hence Selene's two boy-toys keeping her restrained

But if that was the case, then why would Destiny make any sort of prediction for Selene? I mean, we didnt see if Destiny answered her or not, but Selene looked pretty excited. She looked like Destiny was definitely going to tell her something.

[FeminineMystique]

But if that was the case, then why would Destiny make any sort of prediction for Selene? I mean, we didnt see if Destiny answered her or not, but Selene looked pretty excited. She looked like Destiny was definitely going to tell her something.

I'm guessing that Selene has "Vays of makink her talk". (No, just this once I'm NOT making a kinky bondage innuendo:eek: I mean more like threatening Rogue or Mystique's life, or torture)