Is there a conspiracy at Marvel to have Pixie render Magik obsolete?

[Home made ectoplasm]

As per thread title:

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I’m probably the biggest New Mutants fan on here, but, sad as it makes me to say it, I really don’t see the point of Illyana Rasputin anymore.

I feel sad that this once complex character has been reduced to a walking plot device, teleporting thousands of Atlanteans with pinpoint accuracy.

It used to be that Illyana had limitations, her teleportation was unpredictable, and people were wary of using it, because they could end up scattered across space or time. This inbuilt limitation seems to have gone now. This makes her less appealing to me than she used to be.

Now we have Pixie, who has the exact same powerset, but also has hallucination powers, is one of the main characters on Uncanny, is more popular with editorial, and is getting a mini series. She also has the story potential Magik had about her soul being corrupted in limbo.

The only thing Illyana has that Pixie doesn’t is a relationship with Peter and a friendship with Kitty. Well Kitty is AWOL and Peter doesn’t seem interested at the moment – and with the revelation that Pixie’s father is going to be revealed as an X Men villain, even Illyana’s family ties aren’t unique any more.

Why are Marvel ruining my little snowflake and hyping Pixie?

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[timbox]

The blame for this falls on Scottie Young who drew Pixie much too adorable. No one can resist that.

[frog]

The blame for this falls on Scottie Young who drew Pixie much too adorable. No one can resist that.

The thing is, she's no longer adorable, just somewhat nauseating.


I expect to see Pixie and Magik in a no-holds-barred, winner-takes-all showdown. It will bring in all the New Mutants and the X-Kids and split all the X-Men apart.

[AcesX1X]

good observations. it seemed to me that marvel had gone through all that trouble to bring magik back for a purpose...some sort of point to it all.

but, it doesn't look like that anymore. she is just filler. it's sad. the way she is used, she was better off as a fond memory.

[Joey]

she is just filler. it's sad. the way she is used, she was better off as a fond memory.

agreed

it almost seems like she was brought back JUST to push along the Pixie storyline and give her a soul dagger :evilangry:

[Home made ectoplasm]

good observations. it seemed to me that marvel had gone through all that trouble to bring magik back for a purpose...some sort of point to it all.

but, it doesn't look like that anymore. she is just filler. it's sad. the way she is used, she was better off as a fond memory.

It does seem the only reason she was brought back was to provide development for Pixie. I wish they hadn't bothered, it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

[The Lucky One]

I’m probably the biggest New Mutants fan on here

No.

but, sad as it makes me to say it, I really don’t see the point of Illyana Rasputin anymore.

Okay. Personally, I'd say the point of any good character has at least as much to do with their personality and circumstances than it does their power. Sure, Pixie has the same power. Who cares? If powers were all that mattered, 616 Mimic would be far more popular than Rogue, because he has a more useful, versatile version of her powers. The only place Pixie has been important lately is in Uncanny, and nobody reads that anymore anyway. And frankly, there's room for both of them anyway; Pixie will never, ever supplant Magik because she doesn't perform the same function as a character. She's not a demonically-raised sorceress that everyone is not-so-secretly a little afraid of, she's a cab with boobs. And even if a writer gives her more to do than that someday (which hopefully they will), she's not going to usurp Illyana, because she doesn't have anything like the same personality or background.

I guess it comes down to, are you glad Illyana's back? If you're not, if you feel her story was great and now it's done, and you just wish Marvel had left her alone, I can understand that. But if you're glad she's alive again, then don't complain about her not having a point anymore. It's been a few months in a medium that now stretches stories out over years. This time next year, if nothing's been done with Illyana, then yeah, it might be fair to complain. But this early on, it just feels premature.

-D

[AcesX1X]

kind of wish they had only implicated amanda sefton in the whole pixie power-up dilemma.

[Home made ectoplasm]

Okay. Personally, I'd say the point of any good character has at least as much to do with their personality and circumstances than it does their power.

But Pixie's circumstances are the same. Girl from the middle of nowhere gets her soul corrupted in Limbo and now lives in America.

Sure, Pixie has the same power. Who cares? If powers were all that mattered, 616 Mimic would be far more popular than Rogue, because he has a more useful, versatile version of her powers.

I forgot to mention that Pixie can fly too.

Pixie will never, ever supplant Magik because she doesn't perform the same function as a character. She's not a demonically-raised sorceress that everyone is not-so-secretly a little afraid of, she's a cab with boobs

So is Pixie now.

And even if a writer gives her more to do than that someday (which hopefully they will), she's not going to usurp Illyana, because she doesn't have anything like the same personality or background.

We obviously see this differently, but it looks to me as if Marvel are taking all the traits that made Illyana unique and giving them to Meggan.

I guess it comes down to, are you glad Illyana's back? If you're not, if you feel her story was great and now it's done, and you just wish Marvel had left her alone, I can understand that. But if you're glad she's alive again, then don't complain about her not having a point anymore. It's been a few months in a medium that now stretches stories out over years. This time next year, if nothing's been done with Illyana, then yeah, it might be fair to complain. But this early on, it just feels premature.

I was so glad she came back, but now I'm thinking that you should be careful what you wish for.

[AcesX1X]

i'm intrigued by the lucky one's comments and would like to see him produce a bulleted list of illyana's specific accomplishments and story-involvements since her return in new x-men: childhood's end.

[yanapryde]

No.
Okay. Personally, I'd say the point of any good character has at least as much to do with their personality and circumstances than it does their power. Sure, Pixie has the same power. Who cares? If powers were all that mattered, 616 Mimic would be far more popular than Rogue, because he has a more useful, versatile version of her powers. The only place Pixie has been important lately is in Uncanny, and nobody reads that anymore anyway. And frankly, there's room for both of them anyway; Pixie will never, ever supplant Magik because she doesn't perform the same function as a character. She's not a demonically-raised sorceress that everyone is not-so-secretly a little afraid of, she's a cab with boobs. And even if a writer gives her more to do than that someday (which hopefully they will), she's not going to usurp Illyana, because she doesn't have anything like the same personality or background.

I guess it comes down to, are you glad Illyana's back? If you're not, if you feel her story was great and now it's done, and you just wish Marvel had left her alone, I can understand that. But if you're glad she's alive again, then don't complain about her not having a point anymore. It's been a few months in a medium that now stretches stories out over years. This time next year, if nothing's been done with Illyana, then yeah, it might be fair to complain. But this early on, it just feels premature.

-D

Illyana is the youngest of 3 Russian born Mutants.
Pixie, as far as we know, is an only child.

Illyana was lured into Limbo by Belasco and raised by he, Kat and Orroro. She then became apprentice to each respectively.
Pixie's origins have yet to be revealed, aside from being Welsch(?) and having lost her father in a mining accident....allegedly.

Illyana became a sorceress and ruler of the same realm she was abducted to.
Pixie was a victim of circumstance who learned A spell.

Illyana's MUTANT power allows her to summon Limbo's stepping discs to traverse great physical and chronological distances, although not always successfully.

Pixie's MUTANT powers allow her to fly, via wings, and produce dust to confuse her opponents with hallucinations.

The list goes on and on...

They are NOT the same character anymore than Rachel Grey is the same character as Jean Grey or Rockslide is the same as Onyxx or Rogue is the same as Mimic or Kitty is the same as Cipher. Even the Cuckoos are not the same as Emma Frost and they were MADE FROM her.
All possess similar powers but they are not the same.:smile:

[Jmacq1]

Hasn't Illyana only been "back" full-time since X-Infernus? Wasn't that only a few months ago?

I mean seriously, what do people expect, that they were going to launch a solo series or make her leader of the X-Men or something? She's one character in a massive stable of them.

Isn't she showing up in New Mutants? I'd imagine Pixie isn't getting much spotlight there.

[Pach!]

I think the major difference is the attitude/personality and that's what they should focus on.

[yanapryde]

Hasn't Illyana only been "back" full-time since X-Infernus? Wasn't that only a few months ago?

I mean seriously, what do people expect, that they were going to launch a solo series or make her leader of the X-Men or something? She's one character in a massive stable of them.

Isn't she showing up in New Mutants? I'd imagine Pixie isn't getting much spotlight there.

Yes. Thank you.
And since her return to Earth and her X-Men comrades, she assisted Sam Guthrie and his team in neutralizing an Omega Level Mutant (Legion)
She also helped Wolverine and X-Force evacuate Osborn's mutant containment cells, and help everyone relocate to Utopia, and provide a means for an entire race/species of people to escape potential genocide.
For a recently dead TELEPORTER, I'd say these are all impressive accomplishments, in a short amount of time.:smile:

[Washout]

Pixie will never be able to rock those bangs the way Illyana does. (When I type Illyana, my spell check asks me if I mean Kellyann. . . I do not.)

I think Magik has one thing that Pixie will never achieve, a fan base that respects and cares about her. She's back, and she isn't going anywhere any time soon. In Uncanny she is a plot device, but who isn't? She's more or less the focus of New Mutants.

[chrissstopher]

What I also find odd is that there was SO MUCH animosity between Magik and Pixie during QfM and then during X-Infernus... and the New X-men still had no love for her when returned from the future in New Mutants #1...

And now it seems like all of that has been forgotten. Pixie isn't angry and bitter anymore at Magik for creating a "hole in her soul"? Now they're all chummy... joking with each other as they transport Atlanteans to safer waters?

Are we ever going to deal with this?

[tlp0708]

And now it seems like all of that has been forgotten. Pixie isn't angry and bitter anymore at Magik for creating a "hole in her soul"? Now they're all chummy... joking with each other as they transport Atlanteans to safer waters?

Are we ever going to deal with this?

Well, didn't Fraction write this? So, it probably won't be dealt with. I have no love for Pixie (never read New X-Men) so I certainly wouldn't mind if she disappeared. Maybe Feral will come back and eat her. But that's me.

[yanapryde]

What I also find odd is that there was SO MUCH animosity between Magik and Pixie during QfM and then during X-Infernus... and the New X-men still had no love for her when returned from the future in New Mutants #1...

And now it seems like all of that has been forgotten. Pixie isn't angry and bitter anymore at Magik for creating a "hole in her soul"? Now they're all chummy... joking with each other as they transport Atlanteans to safer waters?

Are we ever going to deal with this?

That's another difference between these two characters.
I'm guessing Kathryn Immonen's mini, focusing on Pixie, will address this, according to her interview.

Pixie is remarkably optimistic, despite what she's been through. She see's a light at the end of the tunnel.
Illyana see's a cave-in. But she keeps trying

Also "they" are not chummy. Pixie is. Illyana told her to shut up. I believe it was a genuine request.

[Michael P]

I'm gonna go with "No" on this.

[The Lucky One]

i'm intrigued by the lucky one's comments and would like to see him produce a bulleted list of illyana's specific accomplishments and story-involvements since her return in new x-men: childhood's end.

Uh... well, no, you're not going to get that. Since my main point was that it's only been a few months since she returned and she hasn't had time to do anything yet, that'd be kind of counterproductive to my argument, y'know? :wink:

(You can just call me "Drew," by the way. Everyone else does.)

-D

[chrissstopher]

That's another difference between these two characters.
I'm guessing Kathryn Immonen's mini, focusing on Pixie, will address this, according to her interview.

Pixie is remarkably optimistic, despite what she's been through. She see's a light at the end of the tunnel.
Illyana see's a cave-in. But she keeps trying

Also "they" are not chummy. Pixie is. Illyana told her to shut up. I believe it was a genuine request.

I agree... I think Pixie tends to not let things get her down, she deals with them (or buries them) and keeps it moving... if you ignore it and pretend it didnt happen, its very easy to do.

But, reread QfM... and then reread X-Infernus... Pixie was furious and desperate to get revenge and to repair the damage to her soul. Now... she couldnt care less. I dunno, I understand moving on... forgiving and forgetting... but she is a little bit too chummy with Magik for my taste... a quick jab or a snarky remark here and there whenever Illyana was around would make things a bit more realistic.

[Jmacq1]

I think it's just a matter of each X-Book kind of having different spotlights on different characters:

Uncanny - Pixie (This ends up seeming like more than it really is since Uncanny is the "flagship" title and tends to bleed over into crossovers and such).

Astonishing - Armor

Legacy - Looking like Trance is getting some more page-time over there.

X-Force - X-23

New Mutants - Well...I don't really know who's getting the "spotlight" the most over there, but I doubt Illyana is being ignored. It's kinda looking/sounding like Dani might be stealing the show before long though.

[Azure]

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[AcesX1X]

Uh... well, no, you're not going to get that. Since my main point was that it's only been a few months since she returned and she hasn't had time to do anything yet, that'd be kind of counterproductive to my argument, y'know? :wink:
-D

"months."

didn't childhood's end come out in 2007? at the latest, early 2008? we are 3 months away from 2010.

i find it disheatening that many of illyana's strongest fans seem...i don't know. you guys seem so complacent about this focus reversal. it's almost as if you're happy seeing pixie fill the once-unique roles that illyana used to own.

starring in new mutants vs. starring in uncanny x-men.

wouldn't it be better that the superior version (in my mind, that should have been illyana) is the star? why the passive fan-support? and what make you so sure that illyana will get her time in the spotlight, especially with the fandom that pixie is gaining?

the fact that you can't point out any illyana-centric plots or accomplishments is the saddest part to me.

and please do not insult any of the rest of us by saying there is no correlation between pixie and magik. magik is the only reason pixie is who she is. before, she was a special-needs student who wore a bicycle helmet indoors and had minimal appearances and speaking lines.

now, she is the star of uncanny x-men (the only x-book guaranteed to never get cancelled), with teleportation powers and a soul "dagger" courtesy of magik and limbo.

[Jmacq1]

I could be wrong, but you really seem like you're just trying to start an argument here. Illyana was rarely a "star" character outside of New Mutants before...why should that change now when the New Mutants have reunited? You don't exactly see Sam, Dani, Xian, Amara et al.... getting massive amounts of spotlight time in Uncanny, either.

Basically, Illyana was never that big a deal to the overall X-Franchise anyway. No more or less important than any other character.

Pixie isn't either...she's just going through a phase of having a writer that favors her and getting some character development. Easier to do with "new" characters than ones that have been around for decades and have well-established personalities and lots of adventures under their X-Belts.

I'd be really amused to go back in time and invent the internet early, so we can see the fandom screaming, "ZOMG why is this Kitty Pryde chick getting pushed on us?!? She's totally replaced (insert name of favorite X-Person here)!" Same thing with Rogue, "ZOMG she's a VILLAIN! What's she doing on this team?!? She'll never be a REAL X-Person!" or heck...people complaining about the New Mutants as a whole.

[Prodigy55]

Pixie is more relatable and marketable.

[yanapryde]

"months."

didn't childhood's end come out in 2007? at the latest, early 2008? we are 3 months away from 2010.

i find it disheatening that many of illyana's strongest fans seem...i don't know. you guys seem so complacent about this focus reversal. it's almost as if you're happy seeing pixie fill the once-unique roles that illyana used to own.

starring in new mutants vs. starring in uncanny x-men.

wouldn't it be better that the superior version (in my mind, that should have been illyana) is the star? why the passive fan-support? and what make you so sure that illyana will get her time in the spotlight, especially with the fandom that pixie is gaining?

the fact that you can't point out any illyana-centric plots or accomplishments is the saddest part to me.

and please do not insult any of the rest of us by saying there is no correlation between pixie and magik. magik is the only reason pixie is who she is. before, she was a special-needs student who wore a bicycle helmet indoors and had minimal appearances and speaking lines.

now, she is the star of uncanny x-men (the only x-book guaranteed to never get cancelled), with teleportation powers and a soul "dagger" courtesy of magik and limbo.

She may have been resurrected in 2007 or 2008 but she hasn't been involved with the X-Men, as a team member until this year, as a member of Sam's team, followed by her assistance in the Utopia storyline. She doesn't have a lengthy list of accomplishments yet.
And to be fair, Cyclops, Emma, Beast and Wolverine are more stars of Uncanny. Pixie plays a strong supporting role though.
Illyana has been given just as much focus in her title, New Mutants.
Again, its early. New Mutants has only had the one story arc thus far and Illyana has made cameo appearances in Uncanny since her return.
And we aren't complacent. We know Illyana is a wonderful character. But Pixie is Fraction's baby. Pixie can have Uncanny. With how often the fans on here gripe about their distaste for the title, I don't consider it all that big of an honor.
As for comparing the two, of course there is a correlation. It is ridiculous to deny Illyana's role in Pixie's character development. I'm arguing that although they share similarities, they are different characters, as so many posters seem to argue otherwise.:smile:

[AcesX1X]

I could be wrong, but you really seem like you're just trying to start an argument here. Illyana was rarely a "star" character outside of New Mutants before...why should that change now when the New Mutants have reunited? You don't exactly see Sam, Dani, Xian, Amara et al.... getting massive amounts of spotlight time in Uncanny, either.

the OP has a valid point, and i think its offensive to just say "you're trying to start an argument" simply because you disagree. please provide examples on how you disagree with the logic.

as far as your second question, illyana was a much beloved character to many of us. her death was hurtful, true, but very poignant and meaningful. her return was welcome news, but the vehicle behind her return has been less than pleasant for many of her fans, including me.

the stories involving illyana have been sub-par compared to the stories prior and up to her death, IMO.

i am in agreement with the OP. so far, i haven't seen any reason for illyana's return, except to give pixie the tools to make her a more marketable character.

[yanapryde]

If the sole intention behind Illyana's resurrection in QfM was only to propel Pixie into fan-favorite-ism-spotlight-blah-biddy-blah then the writers or editors or whomever would have simply followed Pixie's soul-corruption with Illyana's death upon defeating Belasco and return the X-Men to Earth.
As it stands, however, they did not. The stories simply have yet to be written.
Illyana played a big part in the first 4 issues of New Mutants comprising ONE story arc. We have yet to see where Zeb Wells will take her character.:smile:

[Dave13]

Pixie is a Horrible Character
Fraction is a horrible writer
Pixie's Fans are idiots

[Prodigy55]

Dave13! Azure will be very cross with you.

[Hi-Fi]

Pixie's Fans are idiots
I'm gonna report this post and hope you get banned so that I can go back to enjoying Elixir.

[Prodigy55]

I'm gonna report this post and hope you get banned so that I can go back to enjoying Elixir.

Ohhh bitchaaaay!

[AcesX1X]

If the sole intention behind Illyana's resurrection in QfM was only to propel Pixie into fan-favorite-ism-spotlight-blah-biddy-blah then the writers or editors or whomever would have simply followed Pixie's soul-corruption with Illyana's death upon defeating Belasco and return the X-Men to Earth.
As it stands, however, they did not. The stories simply have yet to be written.
Illyana played a big part in the first 4 issues of New Mutants comprising ONE story arc. We have yet to see where Zeb Wells will take her character.:smile:

maybe you are right. that is certainly a possibility. another possibility is that marvel thought it would be a great way to add another icon back into their stable of useable characters. but, is that necessarily a good thing if she's not used well, or to her best potential?

i am not saying zeb wells isn't doing a good job with her. i think his accent is off when he has her speak, but otherwise, i like what i see. but what happens to illyana if new mutants does not last? will she replace pixie in uncanny or fade away again while we, the readers, get to see someone else using her powers and weapons.

[Azure]

Apres moi le deluge.

[Jmacq1]

the OP has a valid point, and i think its offensive to just say "you're trying to start an argument" simply because you disagree. please provide examples on how you disagree with the logic.

as far as your second question, illyana was a much beloved character to many of us. her death was hurtful, true, but very poignant and meaningful. her return was welcome news, but the vehicle behind her return has been less than pleasant for many of her fans, including me.

the stories involving illyana have been sub-par compared to the stories prior and up to her death, IMO.

i am in agreement with the OP. so far, i haven't seen any reason for illyana's return, except to give pixie the tools to make her a more marketable character.

As noted before, Illyana has only been "returned" to an ongoing monthly title for a whopping what...four issues now?

I mostly take issue with the implication that fandom having a mature, common-sense response to her return and position instead of having a childish online hissy-fit about it is somehow the "wrong" response.

Pixie isn't part of any "conspiracy" and if there is, it's a conspiracy of ONE (Matt Fraction), which by definition...isn't a conspiracy. Further, if the intent were for Pixie to "replace" Illyana, then they simply wouldn't have brought Illyana back in the first place. Pixie isn't "replacing" Illyana any more than she replaced Nightcrawler.

Fraction's using Pixie probably because she's a character he can actually leave his mark on. Authors like to do that at times, I'm told. So far you've failed to offer up any suggestion as to what SHOULD be done with Illyana any differently than what's already happening (a recurring role in New Mutants).

Heck, a recurring role in an ongoing book is more than many of the characters that populate the X-verse are getting right now.

[yanapryde]

As an Illyana enthusiast, I am thankful and happy to have her back and able to read of her in new stories.

I'm a simple fan.

[The Lucky One]

"months."

didn't childhood's end come out in 2007? at the latest, early 2008? we are 3 months away from 2010.

i find it disheatening that many of illyana's strongest fans seem...i don't know. you guys seem so complacent about this focus reversal. it's almost as if you're happy seeing pixie fill the once-unique roles that illyana used to own.

starring in new mutants vs. starring in uncanny x-men.

wouldn't it be better that the superior version (in my mind, that should have been illyana) is the star? why the passive fan-support? and what make you so sure that illyana will get her time in the spotlight, especially with the fandom that pixie is gaining?

the fact that you can't point out any illyana-centric plots or accomplishments is the saddest part to me.

and please do not insult any of the rest of us by saying there is no correlation between pixie and magik. magik is the only reason pixie is who she is. before, she was a special-needs student who wore a bicycle helmet indoors and had minimal appearances and speaking lines.

now, she is the star of uncanny x-men (the only x-book guaranteed to never get cancelled), with teleportation powers and a soul "dagger" courtesy of magik and limbo.

Fair enough. I'd clarify a few things, because it sounds like we're kind of on different pages here. Not all of "us" New Mutants fans have the exact same opinions about everything, and I feel like I'm maybe getting lumped in with an opinion I haven't expressed here. I do resent being called "complacent," partially because what would you have us do? We aren't the writers. Sure, I could create a whole bunch of threads here at CBR about why Illyana is great and Pixie isn't as great, but why would I do that? The writers and editors aren't going to read them or care, so I'd just be pissing in the wind, garnering support from roughly half the posters here and ire from the other half. Why bother? I guess you could call that complacency, but until Joe Q starts taking my phone calls, there's certain limits to the amount of influence even I have, y'know? And I'm brilliant, strong willed, devilishly handsome, and unfailingly modest, so what hope do most people have?

The second point is what you consider by "Magik" returning. You mentioned that Quest for Magik storyline. I first read that just last week, actually... it was pretty good, albeit not the grand saga I've heard some people talk it up as. I was a bit surprised that the New X-Men themselves didn't do more - I thought I'd heard from some people that they defeated Belasco, whereas only one of them (Pixie) had any hand in that and the Darkchild did the rest, while the rest of the team just got tortured for 4 issues and then were rescued by the X-Men. Still, and maybe I'm alone in this, but I don't think of that as the point of "Magik" returning. An aspect of Illyana Rasputin returned, specifically the Darkchild, but it was made clear that it wasn't the main character, and at the end she was left in limbo (both figuratively and literally). She didn't return to any kind of a regular starring role until X-Infernus, which ended, what, six months ago? So in my mind Illyana has been back for half a year, and the first arc of New Mutants featured her in a major starring role. Your mileage may vary, but that's how I see it.

I guess the only other thing I'd add is that while Uncanny may technically be the "flagship" title, we all know that at least right now, that's pretty much in name only. Not many posters here actually take it seriously, and Pixie doesn't feature in any of the books (X-Factor, X-Force, New Mutants, maybe Legacy) that are consistently singled out as being the best in the line. More exposure is not necessarily better exposure, but since I'm not reading UXM right now (save the Utopia crossover, where Pixie didn't do anything), I can't really comment any further.

Hope that clarified things! :smile:

-D

[XaviersMisprint]

I wish the big Lovelorn Colossus arc in Uncanny was more about his relationship with Illyana rather than with Kitty. Was Illyana back in the MU at that time or am I a little off?

Anyway, I wish there were at least one issue dedicated to Colossus and Illyana as siblings, making up for lost time and having some sort of deep discussion that would only come naturally after all she has been through. They've both been through a lot, actually. They lost their whole family and Illyana was dead. Colossus died for her memory so that no other mutants would suffer. Of course, now that they're both back it might not matter, but it seems something worth writing about.

[AcesX1X]

having a mature, common-sense response to her return and position instead of having a childish online hissy-fit about it is somehow the "wrong" response.

i haven't seen a right or wrong response in here. a thread was started to spur discussion on the illyana/pixie correlation and you came in here very aggro, throwing out insults at the OP and those that agree.

how is that "mature," or "common-sense?" do you think no discussion is warranted at all, or only discussion that presupposes your view as the correct one?

the lucky one, thanks for your clarification.

[XaviersMisprint]

Pixie is a Horrible Character
Fraction is a horrible writer
Pixie's Fans are idiots

I like Pixie. I like Magik. I almost like Fraction.

I have not been rude to you (at least not enough), so lets not go ridiculing me and others for having bad taste. You really don't have the credentials to do so.

[SayOcean]

Pixie is a Horrible Character
Fraction is a horrible writer
Pixie's Fans are idiots soooo true


and i don't see how people aren't noticing pixie kinda taking over illyana's spot. the xmen used to use Magik when they were in a tight spot, out of all the NM i would say she was closest to becoming an Xman. She was a second generations xman's lil sister i felt they all had a special relationship with her. But no Fraction is on board we aren't seeing any of the familial aspects of the xmen, instead we are seeing the grossness that is pixie taking over illyanas place in x mythos.

[Jmacq1]

i haven't seen a right or wrong response in here. a thread was started to spur discussion on the illyana/pixie correlation and you came in here very aggro, throwing out insults at the OP and those that agree.

how is that "mature," or "common-sense?" do you think no discussion is warranted at all, or only discussion that presupposes your view as the correct one?

the lucky one, thanks for your clarification.

My first post was rather benign, actually.

It was when you started talking about how "passive" and "complacent" people were being that I felt you were stepping over a line. The clear implication of those statements is that you think people should be raging to the heavens because Pixie gets to be in Uncanny and Illyana doesn't...or something.

But you're right, I don't think much discussion is warranted, because there is no conspiracy, or even the slightest sign of a conspiracy. One writer pumping up a character they like is nothing new, and not part of some overarching agenda at Marvel or even within the X-Office itself.

[Mikey Brown]

Fraction is not a bad writer. Hes pretty damn good actually. All critisism on here about Fraction is either hes not using Dazzler enough, hes using our favorite characters in the background only or he just sucks. Ive never seen so many good reviews for a book slamed by a forum like Uncanny. And all of you guys still buy it. What I wonder is why you would want a "shitty writer" like Fraction writing your favorite character? If he put Illyana on Uncanny and made her the focus, would you suddenly enjoy his writing? I think you would.

[peopleofpaper]

Fraction is not a bad writer. Hes pretty damn good actually. All critisism on here about Fraction is either hes not using Dazzler enough, hes using our favorite characters in the background only or he just sucks. Ive never seen so many good reviews for a book slamed by a forum like Uncanny. And all of you guys still buy it. What I wonder is why you would want a "shitty writer" like Fraction writing your favorite character? If he put Illyana on Uncanny and made her the focus, would you suddenly enjoy his writing? I think you would.

..........lol. no.

[AcesX1X]

...

i think matt fraction is doing a great job. but, i think you're deliberately missing the point if you think pixie's popularity has nothing to do with illyana rasputin.

[Goshin]

Pixie pales in comparison to the one and only original "Dark Childe"

Pixie is Lil Wayne Magick is 2Pac

[yanapryde]

i think matt fraction is doing a great job. but, i think you're deliberately missing the point if you think pixie's popularity has nothing to do with illyana rasputin.

I like to think that Illyana makes ALL things better.:smile:

Pixie pales in comparison to the one and only original "Dark Childe"

Pixie is Lil Wayne Magick is 2Pac

This comparison is hilarious.
Goshin-- You funny.

[AcesX1X]

well, i guess being used as a vehicle for another character is better than being dead. :confused:

[Daniel Mengsk]

What I wonder is why you would want a "shitty writer" like Fraction writing your favorite character?

Who said that he was a "shitty writer"? I mean, besides you.

[Monty_Cristo]

The blame for this falls on Scottie Young who drew Pixie much too adorable. No one can resist that.

yet Shortpack remains jobless. :frown:

Pixie pales in comparison to the one and only original "Dark Childe"

Pixie is Lil Wayne Magick is 2Pac

Shortpack knows the stanky leg. he learned it from Qwerty.

[chrissstopher]

Why is your avatar of Ant-Man and not Shortpack?

[Monty_Cristo]

Why is your avatar of Ant-Man and not Shortpack?

because this is my x-boards persona. anywhere else i talk up Ant-Man. :smile:

[yanapryde]

because this is my x-boards persona. anywhere else i talk up Ant-Man. :smile:

Poor Monty has more reason to cry outrage for his lack of Shortpack-age in the books.
I feel for you Monty. It took forever for Illyana to be brought back into the X-books and now that she is, controversy inevitably follows. Le sigh.

Your day will come Monty!

[chrissstopher]

Wouldnt it be awesome if Magik and Pixie fought over who got to date Shortpack?

[yanapryde]

Wouldnt it be awesome if Magik and Pixie fought over who got to date Shortpack?

As far as I'm concerned, Shortpack is Magik's secret lover.
She wisked him away to Limbo shortly after she returned to the X-Men proper at the end of Infernus and she enjoys his 'company' there, whenever she likes.
She does a little spell to get him anatomically proportionate to ensure that 'enjoyed company'.
Shortpack is into the 'creepy chicks' as I understand it.
Unless Monty knows otherwise...

[Daniel Mengsk]

Wouldnt it be awesome if Magik and Pixie fought over who got to date Shortpack?

Shortpack looks small, but he's still an adult male - I don't think that teenage girls are his thing.

[Jmacq1]

Shortpack looks small, but he's still an adult male - I don't think that teenage girls are his thing.

Well if it's Greg Land drawing Pixie she gets a magic age-up to twentysomething. Or late teens at the very least.

i think matt fraction is doing a great job. but, i think you're deliberately missing the point if you think pixie's popularity has nothing to do with illyana rasputin.

I don't see that Pixie is really all that popular. I also -do- see that what popularity she has has absolutely nothing to do with Illyana Rasputin and a whole lot more to do with her looking like, well, a Pixie and having an upbeat personality.

Plot/Character developments and popularity are not the same thing. There seems to be far more hatred for Pixie around here than popularity. Heck, there seems to generally be hatred for any teenage girl character invented after the late 80's/early 90's. Except maybe X-23.

[chrissstopher]

I don't see that Pixie is really all that popular. I also -do- see that what popularity she has has absolutely nothing to do with Illyana Rasputin and a whole lot more to do with her looking like, well, a Pixie and having an upbeat personality.

Plot/Character developments and popularity are not the same thing. There seems to be far more hatred for Pixie around here than popularity. Heck, there seems to generally be hatred for any teenage girl character invented after the late 80's/early 90's. Except maybe X-23.

I agree. When I asked the X-Editors about the popularity of Pixie (why she was getting her own mini over the other characters) the response was "because she's awesome." Not "because you demanded it" or "because she's a fan favorite" but more because they like her.

[AcesX1X]

I don't see that Pixie is really all that popular. I also -do- see that what popularity she has has absolutely nothing to do with Illyana Rasputin and a whole lot more to do with her looking like, well, a Pixie and having an upbeat personality..

i cannot take you seriously.

pre-illyana/skottie young pixie.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/133087-128555-pixie.jpg

post-illyana pixie.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/3347/623547-03.jpg

[The Black Guardian]

Pixie who?:confused: :evilangry:

[creaky]

The thing is, she's no longer adorable, just somewhat nauseating.

But if Skottie Young hadn't worked his magic on her, I doubt she would be where she is now.

[Monty_Cristo]

As far as I'm concerned, Shortpack is Magik's secret lover.
She wisked him away to Limbo shortly after she returned to the X-Men proper at the end of Infernus and she enjoys his 'company' there, whenever she likes.
She does a little spell to get him anatomically proportionate to ensure that 'enjoyed company'.
Shortpack is into the 'creepy chicks' as I understand it.
Unless Monty knows otherwise...

it's canon. Mystique even teased him about being attracted to her when she was in her creepiest form.

[Monty_Cristo]

Shortpack looks small, but he's still an adult male - I don't think that teenage girls are his thing.

that wouldn't stop them from fighting over him. no one said he had to return their advances. he's a professional, afterall. he could settle into a "wise older brother" role.

[Leirus]

JAU. Not. Just. NO

And I prefer Yana in NM than in UXM, right now. Mostly because I prefer the book.

[Jmacq1]

i cannot take you seriously.


If you're going to just selectively read, then you may as well excuse yourself from any sort of intelligent debate.

Plot development/character development does not equal popularity. I clearly stated this in my last post, and you conveniently ignored it. You have presented not a single shred of evidence that Pixie's "popularity" (regardless of how popular she actually is or isn't) is in any way a direct result of the plot developments the character has undergone in relation to Illyana Rasputin.

Meanwhile, I can easily comb through this board and find hundreds of posts from dozens of posters (if not more) basically saying Pixie sucks.

Go try to find a few saying, "ZOMG Pixie is so awesome because she can teleport and has a souldagger, I totally hated her before but now she's soooo cool!" Because that's what you'll need to prove your point.

[MuhollandDriver]

Errrr i kinda sorta disagree.

Illyana was brought back because many writers loved her and wanted her back in the 616 universe. Her character, along with many others, got butchered in the 90s...and it was another well-meaning act of cleanup control.

Matt Fraction liked Pixie and decided to use her for a specific role in Uncanny.

Pixie's powers come across as Magik-lite. i'd like to see her get rid of the soul spork and start using her mutant powers more. The results can be quite inventive.

Zeb Wells is doing absolutely wonderful things with Illyana in the New Mutants title. Anyone read the current issue? Amazing.

[Home made ectoplasm]

Hi Jmacq1, if you look at my original post I mention that Pixie is popular with editors at Marvel. I don't mention anything about her popularity with fans. You are right, there are lots of posts on here from fans saying they don't like her. And that is having a negative effect on Illyana too, since (outside of Zeb's book) they are being treated as interchangeable characters.

[coveredinbees]

Go try to find a few saying, "ZOMG Pixie is so awesome because she can teleport and has a souldagger, I totally hated her before but now she's soooo cool!" Because that's what you'll need to prove your point.
I searched Pixie, not ZOMG.
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9687158&postcount=36
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9667425&postcount=11
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9686498&postcount=134
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9619243&postcount=2714
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9672503&postcount=9
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9686660&postcount=137
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9687539&postcount=157
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9674752&postcount=169
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9638253&postcount=46
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9679547&postcount=22
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9712945&postcount=2174
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9712950&postcount=2175
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9628951&postcount=25
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9618674&postcount=11
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9593791&postcount=8

[Monty_Cristo]

obsolescence obsolescence *remembers the Twilight Zone*

[Siena Blaze]

Daytripper is far superior to both Pixie and Magik combined.

[yanapryde]

Daytripper is far superior to both Pixie and Magik combined.

These stand in's were created in Illyana's shadow, and that is where they shall remain. :smile:

[XaviersMisprint]

How low, can ya go? How low, can ya go?

[Azure]

I searched Pixie, not ZOMG.
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9687158&postcount=36
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9667425&postcount=11
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9686498&postcount=134
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9619243&postcount=2714
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9672503&postcount=9
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9686660&postcount=137
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9687539&postcount=157
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9674752&postcount=169
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9638253&postcount=46
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9679547&postcount=22
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9712945&postcount=2174
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9712950&postcount=2175
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9628951&postcount=25
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9618674&postcount=11
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9593791&postcount=8

Oh dear oh dear

[AcesX1X]

Hi Jmacq1, if you look at my original post I mention that Pixie is popular with editors at Marvel. I don't mention anything about her popularity with fans.

yeah, jmacq, i sort of thought this was the whole point of the thread too. but, now that you've clarified the point you're arguing, i can see why you haven't been making sense this whole time.

[ProfeZZor X]

It should be retconned that Pixie and Blink are sisters... Since they both share teleporting abilities.... And a particularly similar hair color.

[chrissstopher]

It should be retconned that Pixie and Blink are sisters... Since they both share teleporting abilities.... And a particularly similar hair color.

But Pixie teleports via a magic spell... her natural born mutant power has nothing to do with teleportation, unlike Blink.

[infernohara]

Ha. Payback is coming shorty for Pixie. Cloak will make her obsolete like she has done to Nightcrawler and Magik.