Superman/Batman Public Enemies: Animated Movie [Archive]

Mon-el

09-30-2009, 01:24 AM

Almost done watching it.

I'm at the Hiro part as I type this message.

Quite a good adaptation. A few parts were left out of the comic like Cir-El, Nightwing Superboy, Natasha, Robin, Huntress, Batgirl. part just thinking about it offhand. It's been a few years since I read Public Enemies(as the comics first, then the last time as the Hardcover). My Memory is sketchy at best.

And I believe I seen Captain Boomerang (Owen Mercer) fighting with the group of villians(I dont recall him being Captain Boomerang that early).

But all in all a pretty good movie. I enjoyed it thoroughly.

Thoughts?

ryerye17

09-30-2009, 01:41 AM

WorstThingUS

09-30-2009, 08:21 AM

You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear and you know you're in trouble is the best part of a Superman/Batman movie is Hiro and the second best thing is Clancy Brown as a Luthor so smooth you can believe he could convince people Superman was a danger and the third best thing are the great credits. But otherwise? It remains as crummy as its source material. Barely above Superman: Doomsday (which remains the worse because like this, it's based on a crummy story) because when they don't look like steroid cases, the Ed McGuiness-based artwork is nice.

Jim Thompson

09-30-2009, 08:29 AM

blueridgerider

09-30-2009, 09:01 AM

My son and I enjoyed it. Not the best of the new animated movies, but entertaining.

We both agreed that GL:First Flight was much more entertaining.

Static-Pulse

09-30-2009, 09:25 AM

Thoughts?

I never read the original graphic novel/comic arc for "Public Enemies," so I can't comment on how close the movie was to the original. However, I really enjoyed the movie, more than I thought I would actually. The things I liked:

- Lex Luthor go crazy. I admit, I like Superman: Brainac Attacks solely because it's a chance to see Stupid Luthor Antics, but this version of Luthor was a whole new level of fun.

- Toyman. I've been a fringe fan of Hiro Okamura since I heard about him, scanning the web, buying his origin issue on eBay, wishing like heck he'd show up in the Power Girl series. The way the movie presents him was beyond anything I could have imagined, it was brilliant.

- The fights. The animators really out did themselves in this movie. Every fight was worth watching and choreographed (in my opinion) perfectly to match Superman and Batman's powers and skills.

I rented the movie on Amazon last night to watch, but I'm going to get the DVD as soon as I can get to a store.

The Chief5425

09-30-2009, 09:29 AM

Probably tied with "Green Lantern: FF" for weakest in my opinion.

I liked the interaction between Supes and Bats. I liked having Tim Daly, Clancy Brown and Kevin Conroy back in their respective roles, and I liked all the Villain Porn in the second act--great seeing all those characters get at least a sliver of screen time.

But man, was the story weak. Never read the source material but if this is a true reflection of it...glad I skipped it.

I'm sure this has been said before but hell with it, I'll say it again: Why aren't they just making JLU movies?

WorstThingUS

09-30-2009, 10:01 AM

- Toyman. I've been a fringe fan of Hiro Okamura since I heard about him, scanning the web, buying his origin issue on eBay, wishing like heck he'd show up in the Power Girl series. The way the movie presents him was beyond anything I could have imagined, it was brilliant.

Seriously. He was sooooo good. It pains me that Geoff Johns made an attempt to reduce him to just being another robot created by the original Toyman. I say "attempt" because I'm hoping another writer will just make it part of Toyman's pyschosis that he "thinks" he created Hiro.

I'm sure this has been said before but hell with it, I'll say it again: Why aren't they just making JLU movies?

Because that would just be too good and we can't have that.

Slaughter

09-30-2009, 10:17 AM

You know what's funny about Public Enemies, the comic?

The entire story would've taken 10 minutes if Loeb knew, remembered or used THIS GUY:

http://www.creativideos.com/firestorm/firestorm_bottom.jpg

And that's not the worst thing about this story. There's Loeb's stupid Luthor, too.

Sean Walsh

09-30-2009, 11:40 AM

I watched it, and..........I thought it was just ok. Actually made me think about the comic and why I enjoyed it.

I think I actually liked it more than the movie? *shudder*

GREEN LANTERN has been my favorite of these DVDs so far, with NEW FRONTIER a very close second. Everything else has been......just good. :-/

Damiean Dark

09-30-2009, 04:46 PM

Its crazy the movies dont just continue from the JLU toon all these movies,from Gotham knight to Public enemies just seem empty somehow there is always something missing that gave the JULU toon its extra pizazz.

As such the only good toons are still BTAS and JLU.

Sean Whitmore

09-30-2009, 06:18 PM

It was okay. Better than the comic for a variety of reasons, most of them continuity-related. Like, when Hawkman and Captain Marvel show up to beat on Superman and Batman, you can just about accept it in the movie because we don't know anyone. Whereas in the comic, the only reasonable reaction is "HUH?!?"

Also, leaving out the time-traveling Superman and "Metallo killed the Waynes" subplots can only be improvements.

You know what's funny about Public Enemies, the comic?

The entire story would've taken 10 minutes if Loeb knew, remembered or used THIS GUY:

There are probably a dozen guys whose inclusion would have made that story take 10 minutes.

And that critique extends to the movie, too. If there was a reason that Captain Atom or Captain Marvel couldn't have handled the meteor, it wasn't adequately explained.

SEAN

WorstThingUS

09-30-2009, 07:49 PM

There are probably a dozen guys whose inclusion would have made that story take 10 minutes.

And that critique extends to the movie, too. If there was a reason that Captain Atom or Captain Marvel couldn't have handled the meteor, it wasn't adequately explained.

SEAN

It was poorly written, period. The harbinger of the downfall of Jeph Loeb, your first clue it was all over.

The Beast Of Yucca Flats

09-30-2009, 07:59 PM

An alright slobberknocker to kill an hour or so with, but... yeah, only so much they could have really done. Ending's kind of a downer, too (the last guy in the Oval Office couldn't do jack about jack, and now *this* happens with the current Commander In Chief?!)

Though I'm really looking forward to JL: Crisis On Two Earths (James Woods' Owlman... man, is that gonna be somethin' to see).

Jim Thompson

09-30-2009, 08:16 PM

Though I'm really looking forward to JL: Crisis On Two Earths (James Woods' Owlman... man, is that gonna be somethin' to see).Completely agree with you here. That preview might have been the best part of the Bluray. :redface:

Yawn

09-30-2009, 08:53 PM

As usual,good movie from the DC crew.New Frontier was the best and Brainiac Attacks was the worst.

There are probably a dozen guys whose inclusion would have made that story take 10 minutes.

And that critique extends to the movie, too. If there was a reason that Captain Atom or Captain Marvel couldn't have handled the meteor, it wasn't adequately explained.

SEAN

I think each time we get one of these movies/shows ,it's supposed to take place in it's own universe so certain characters don't exist or they might not be as powerful as they are in the comics.

It's just supposed to be a fun superhero throw down I'm not sure in a movie starring Superman and Batman cleaning the clocks of the DC universe,that they should be upstaged by the b squad.

Sean Whitmore

09-30-2009, 09:05 PM

I think each time we get one of these movies/shows ,it's supposed to take place in it's own universe so certain characters don't exist or they might not be as powerful as they are in the comics.

Certainly possible, but the movie can't have Captain Marvel going punch for punch with Superman and then expect us to assume that.

SEAN

Desaad

09-30-2009, 09:33 PM

Pretty mediocre, I thought, despite being better than the source material. It's just so...stupid. Lex Luthor all roided up and Hulk-y at the end just totally misses the strength of the character.

For me it goes...

Green Lantern: First Flight
Wonder Woman
New Frontier
Superman/Doomsday
Public Enemies

I'd rate New Frontier higher, I think, if I wasn't so obsessed with the source material. Every time I watched it, all I could think was "This was done so much better here. That awesome part was left out!" etc etc etc.

The Batman

09-30-2009, 09:38 PM

I thought it was alright. Enoyable enough, if it lifted itself above the source material it was only just. I was glad to see them drop the go-nowhere subplot with Metallo and the Wayne murder but a little disappointed that they left out Captain Atom's sacrifice at the end.

I would've liked to see them address why none of the other heroes could deal with the Kryptonite meteor, especially after they made a point of telling us that Luthor had a lot of them on the payroll. The comic suffered from the same problem.

My biggest question though is something that's specific to the movie and it comes in right at the beginning: In a world with Superman and Batman, why would things ever be allowed to get so bad as to make a Luthor presidency possible? I get that they needed to explain away why Luthor was in the White House, but to me it put both Superman and Batman in a bit of a bad light.

Sean Whitmore

09-30-2009, 09:45 PM

I would've liked to see them address why none of the other heroes could deal with the Kryptonite meteor, especially after they made a point of telling us that Luthor had a lot of them on the payroll. The comic suffered from the same problem.

Well, Luthor not sending any of them makes sense, at least. They made a point of him not wanting to rely on superhumans.

SEAN

Yawn

09-30-2009, 09:53 PM

Exactly,Captain Atom and Marvel didn't destroy the meteor because Luthor didn't order them to.

I thought Lex became president because he is a behind the curtain villian in the animated world so people don''t know how bad he is.Also that he is so rich and powerful he could buy the election if need be.I don't think it puts Batman or Superman in any worse of light then how they appear in the comics,where bad things including Lex being President still happen.It's an endless comic story where Batman and Superman can't win.

protonik

09-30-2009, 10:01 PM

Completely agree with you here. That preview might have been the best part of the Bluray. :redface:

I loved that preview! I had it on my standard 2-disc. What were the six bonus episodes on the Blue Ray?

The Batman

10-01-2009, 06:04 AM

Well, Luthor not sending any of them makes sense, at least. They made a point of him not wanting to rely on superhumans.

SEAN

True enough.

Though Luthor didn't have a problem bringing in superhumans for other jobs. Captain Atom, Power Girl, Black Lightning, and Major Force seem to have been put on prominent display and he turned to the superhuman community to bring in Superman. And really, I wouldn't put it past Luthor to have somebody else do the heavy lifting and then take all the credit for himself.

protonik

10-01-2009, 07:29 PM

TO be fair to Loeb on not using Firestorm... he was DEAD.

Sean Whitmore

10-01-2009, 08:09 PM

TO be fair to Loeb on not using Firestorm... he was DEAD.

Didn't Superman/Batman predate Identity Crisis by a year or so?

SEAN

FunkyGreenJerusalem

10-01-2009, 08:47 PM

Loved it.

The best part was the gratuitous villain appearances :)

Greater than GL: First Flight and Superman: Doomsday
At par with Justice League: New Frontier and Batman: Gotham Knights
But less than Wonder Woman

I just saw GL last night, but I would have put it miles ahead of Gotham Knights - I still haven't made it all the way through that.

FunkyGreenJerusalem

10-01-2009, 08:55 PM

Also, leaving out the time-traveling Superman and "Metallo killed the Waynes" subplots can only be improvements.

SEAN

Tell me more about this 'Metallo killed the Waynes' subplot!

Was it just a hint that maybe this happened, or did they take a shot at making it continuity, only to be ignored by all others?

Sean Whitmore

10-01-2009, 09:29 PM

Tell me more about this 'Metallo killed the Waynes' subplot!

Was it just a hint that maybe this happened, or did they take a shot at making it continuity, only to be ignored by all others?

Nah, they never attempted to make it full-tilt canon. It was actually really odd. The possibility is brought up in the first issue, it goes all but unmentioned for the next 4 months, and then in the last issue Luthor off-handedly mentions he'd fabricated the evidence.

The reason why is hilariously awful, too. He wanted to drive a wedge between Superman and Batman, and even though he didn't know Batman was Bruce Wayne, he assumed that Batman would be unable to tear himself away from investigating such a prominent case.

SEAN

FunkyGreenJerusalem

10-01-2009, 09:52 PM

gorosaurus

10-01-2009, 10:08 PM

So how did Batman change Captain Marvel back to Billy?

WorstThingUS

10-01-2009, 10:13 PM

I'd rate New Frontier higher, I think, if I wasn't so obsessed with the source material. Every time I watched it, all I could think was "This was done so much better here. That awesome part was left out!" etc etc etc.

You and Darwyn Cooke both. He doesn't care for it at all. Listening to his commentary is very sad. And his other comments about it make it very clear it was nothing but a frustrating experience for him.

CMBMOOL

10-01-2009, 10:40 PM

I found Allison Mack's part in the movie, very ironically funny in a way, as it shows a much deeper connection that she has with the media version of Superman. :tongue:

FunkyGreenJerusalem

10-01-2009, 11:00 PM

You and Darwyn Cooke both. He doesn't care for it at all. Listening to his commentary is very sad. And his other comments about it make it very clear it was nothing but a frustrating experience for him.

I know you shouldn't trust people in promo videos, but on the 'making of' on the other discs it sounds like he was pretty involved with the project and happy with how it turned out.

Frisky Dingo

10-01-2009, 11:26 PM

I thought the movie was okay, definitely worth a rent but nothing really grabbed me that would make me want to watch it again. Still think "Wonder Woman" has been the best film so far in this line of movies DC.

Major Danger

10-04-2009, 08:43 PM

I loved it. My kids did too. There was no way they could every little bit and nuance from Public Enemies the book into a 67 min film, just not enough time. Clancy Brown, Tim Daly and Kevin Conroy own those parts, I hear their voices when I read the comics. Dr Cox as Metallo, LeVar Burton as Black Lightning and just having Power Girl in a movie is: Just good fun. The big villain showdown was great. I'd put it above Gotham Knights, and Green Lantern, haven't seen Wonder Woman yet. I wanted it to be 90 mins though.

David Walton

10-05-2009, 04:46 AM

What did everyone think of Bruce Timm as Mongul????

WorstThingUS

10-05-2009, 08:01 AM

I know you shouldn't trust people in promo videos, but on the 'making of' on the other discs it sounds like he was pretty involved with the project and happy with how it turned out.

"When asked if he would pursue more work in animation, Cooke said it's a matter of avoiding the "idiots" who are in positions around the animation business."

The rest is here:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=22759

JumpingJupiter

10-05-2009, 09:54 AM

I thought it was pretty fun.

Mat001

10-05-2009, 11:43 AM

"When asked if he would pursue more work in animation, Cooke said it's a matter of avoiding the "idiots" who are in positions around the animation business."

The rest is here:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=22759

He's mostly expressing disappointment in how Wonder Woman and Carol Ferris were treated in the script for "New Frontier" and females in general. Apparently the earlier drafts didn't do them justice. He's not saying that he hated the final product, just the way people act while making these things.

WorstThingUS

10-05-2009, 11:58 AM

He's mostly expressing disappointment in how Wonder Woman and Carol Ferris were treated in the script for "New Frontier" and females in general. Apparently the earlier drafts didn't do them justice. He's not saying that he hated the final product, just the way people act while making these things.

I head disappointment in his voice in commentary and I wasn't alone:

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20181275,00.html

Slaughter

10-05-2009, 12:51 PM

Didn't Superman/Batman predate Identity Crisis by a year or so?

SEAN

Yes. Firestorm (Ronnie) was very much alive around that time.

humchihug

10-05-2009, 10:12 PM

not saying that he hated the final product,

Major Danger

10-06-2009, 03:48 PM

What did everyone think of Bruce Timm as Mongul????

I don't remember Mongul saying anything. He was controlled by Gorilla Grodd if I remember right, I thought Superman said something about Mongul not being his usual talkative self.

And not to be too picky, but I watched it again with my kids last night and this struck me. If the US has a wormhole generator, why not just create a wormhole in front of the meteor and ship it to another part of the universe? I admit I don't have Luthor's intellect but it seemed like a no-brainer to me.

Disciple_of_the_Bat

10-06-2009, 03:52 PM

I don't remember Mongul saying anything. He was controlled by Gorilla Grodd if I remember right, I thought Superman said something about Mongul not being his usual talkative self.

And not to be too picky, but I watched it again with my kids last night and this struck me. If the US has a wormhole generator, why not just create a wormhole in front of the meteor and ship it to another part of the universe? I admit I don't have Luthor's intellect but it seemed like a no-brainer to me.

Yeah, I agree.
It was OK for me, but that's all, I actually think this was one of the weaker DC animation projects.

Lupek

10-06-2009, 05:23 PM

This wasn't nearly as good as New Frontier or First Flight but those two films have set the bar pretty high.

I thought the action sequences were great but the story not so much. I've never read the comic so I don't know how it compares but the motivation for the heroes tracking down Batman and Superman was pretty weak. But yeah those fight scenes were all of that and a bag of bbq chips. I liked how Supes was more badass than usually depicted in film and animation. All around it was good fun.

FlyingFox

10-06-2009, 05:42 PM

It was good. Better than First Flight or New Frontier at least.

protonik

10-06-2009, 08:25 PM

I know you shouldn't trust people in promo videos, but on the 'making of' on the other discs it sounds like he was pretty involved with the project and happy with how it turned out.

That was the feeling I got from various articles etc. The movie was very faithful to the book and what got cut, while it sucked it was cut, didn't help with the brevity of the story. Some things were even added to the movie. Darwyn was very close to the production of the film and consulted and signed off on everything...

SugarMan

10-08-2009, 03:57 AM

I thought this was an excellent movie (though disappointed with no Wonder Woman or Green Lantern). The pacing was good, with lots of action - the kind of thing we like. My favorite part of the movie? Shazam!

SpideyZERO

10-08-2009, 08:27 AM

Speaking of shazam, how and when Superman and Batman switch identity with Captain Marvel and Hawkman. Did Superman and Batman beat them? Or come to an understanding?

Mat001

10-08-2009, 12:05 PM

The World's Finest team let their friends beat them, then when the opportunity arose, they blindsided them and swapped clothes in order to get close to Lex.

Vakanai

10-23-2009, 04:33 PM

My biggest question though is something that's specific to the movie and it comes in right at the beginning: In a world with Superman and Batman, why would things ever be allowed to get so bad as to make a Luthor presidency possible? I get that they needed to explain away why Luthor was in the White House, but to me it put both Superman and Batman in a bit of a bad light.

Well, being able to save the world from supervillains, and being able to keep the economy in a good place, are two very different skill sets.

Vakanai

10-23-2009, 04:44 PM

I head disappointment in his voice in commentary and I wasn't alone:

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20181275,00.html

I heard some disappointment too, but I thought it was because so much had to be cut out for time?

elikal

10-23-2009, 05:24 PM

I must say I liked it. It was a bit like the Civil War in short and less deadly tho, heh. Quite entertaining. I hope to see more of the like.

PatrickG

10-23-2009, 05:46 PM

Nah, they never attempted to make it full-tilt canon. It was actually really odd. The possibility is brought up in the first issue, it goes all but unmentioned for the next 4 months, and then in the last issue Luthor off-handedly mentions he'd fabricated the evidence.

The reason why is hilariously awful, too. He wanted to drive a wedge between Superman and Batman, and even though he didn't know Batman was Bruce Wayne, he assumed that Batman would be unable to tear himself away from investigating such a prominent case.

SEAN

Well, I took two things away.

The death of Thomas and Martha Wayne is every bit as big as the Kennedy assassination. That's definitely Jeph's take anyway.

The other thing is... Jeph wanted Lex to know everyone's secret identities and had to jump through plot gymnastics when that was shot down.

However, in the comic, it is BATMAN who insists that Lex doesn't know his secret and that it's all about a high profile case.

As I recall, Jeph implies both here and in HUSH that Lex knows that Bruce Wayne is Batman and really just writes Bruce as being in serious denial about it, likely to appease editors and purists.

One thing that IS very common with Jeph's later DC work and his work in general is that he works with artists who draw slowly and have to pile up work in the can...

And Jeph has a tendency to get stories approved by editors that get shot down at the EiC level AFTER the art is in the can. And he also has a tendency to write story developments which surprise his editors and require rewrites.

I can think of at least six occasions at DC where I know for a fact that dialogue and plot had to be substantially changed AFTER the art was done.

Jeph himself poked fun at this in his last S/B arc where he reveals that the ending to PUBLIC ENEMIES had to be changed, that it was supposed to re-open the plot of Lex Luthor knowing Superman's secret identity, something he had done in his Superman run which Geoff Johns was called in to erase.

A lot of his stories are riddled with these kinds of issues, partly because the types of stories he wants to tell. I gather Lex was supposed to be an evil president all along but pretty much all post-election plans had to be scrapped because DC was afraid of going full tilt with an evil President and Superman becoming an enemy of the United States after 9-11.

Jared

10-23-2009, 10:16 PM

The World's Finest team let their friends beat them, then when the opportunity arose, they blindsided them and swapped clothes in order to get close to Lex.

The cartoon suggests that Powergirl came back and turned the tide in the Superman/Batman's favor.

Slaughter

10-27-2009, 09:02 PM

Can anybody tell me WHY, WHY Lex took Venom mixed with Synthetic kryptonite? There was no reason whatsoever for it.

FunkyGreenJerusalem

10-28-2009, 12:11 AM

I heard some disappointment too, but I thought it was because so much had to be cut out for time?

I disagree - he points out changes made, but at other points raves about the production.

Why would they ask him, and he agree, to do a commentary if he didn't like it?

Sean Whitmore

10-28-2009, 12:38 AM

Can anybody tell me WHY, WHY Lex took Venom mixed with Synthetic kryptonite? There was no reason whatsoever for it.

I suppose that was the "political intrigue" the back of the box promised.

SEAN

gwydion

10-28-2009, 10:21 AM

I don't remember Mongul saying anything. He was controlled by Gorilla Grodd if I remember right, I thought Superman said something about Mongul not being his usual talkative self.

And not to be too picky, but I watched it again with my kids last night and this struck me. If the US has a wormhole generator, why not just create a wormhole in front of the meteor and ship it to another part of the universe? I admit I don't have Luthor's intellect but it seemed like a no-brainer to me.

Heh, they should have had SG-1 on hand; THEY figured that out some time ago...:tongue:

WorstThingUS

10-28-2009, 11:15 AM

Can anybody tell me WHY, WHY Lex took Venom mixed with Synthetic kryptonite? There was no reason whatsoever for it.

Because Jeph Loeb was committed to writing complete and utter crap. It's as great a violation of the character you can get.

brundlefly

10-28-2009, 11:32 AM

Can anybody tell me WHY, WHY Lex took Venom mixed with Synthetic kryptonite? There was no reason whatsoever for it.

I've been asking that very same question since 2004. :mad:

S/B: Public Enemies was the first (mis)step on the slippery slope that led to the embarrassing, marginalized, Silver Age throwback/Super Friends cartoon character that Lex has been transformed into today.

dumbstruck

10-28-2009, 01:00 PM

Can anybody tell me WHY, WHY Lex took Venom mixed with Synthetic kryptonite? There was no reason whatsoever for it.

Because it's the evil thing to do. And Lex Luthor is nothing if not "EEEEVil.

Mat001

10-28-2009, 01:27 PM

In-universe, Lex wanted an advantage against Superman and Kryptonite radiation would affect him.

Real world was that Loeb wasn't going to follow what Byrne, Ordway, Stern, Jurgens and Simonson did with the Kryptonite radiation poisoning during their tenure.

Damiean Dark

10-28-2009, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by Major Danger
I don't remember Mongul saying anything. He was controlled by Gorilla Grodd if I remember right, I thought Superman said something about Mongul not being his usual talkative self.

And not to be too picky, but I watched it again with my kids last night and this struck me. If the US has a wormhole generator, why not just create a wormhole in front of the meteor and ship it to another part of the universe? I admit I don't have Luthor's intellect but it seemed like a no-brainer to me.

It is a cartoon of course so some things have to be taken with a pinch of salt but things like Luthor injecting himself for no apparent reason and the fact that the combined might of Captain Marvel,powergirl and Captain Atom should have been more then enough to physically divert the meteorite leave gaping holes in an already poor film.

All it really was, was a 90 minute advert for batman and superman and a few big names to duke it out cut with a few banter moments between the big two.

New frontier wasnt great but it was miles better and Sinestro alone in first flight was more enjoyable to watch then the whole of public enemies.

brundlefly

10-28-2009, 03:25 PM

In-universe, Lex wanted an advantage against Superman and Kryptonite radiation would affect him.

Really? So, what, Lex was going to shrink Superman down to microscopic size and then inject him into his veins as well, where Superman would then be affected by the Kryptonite radiation present there? Because that's the only way that I see him using Kryptonite internally as opposed to externally having any effect on Superman.

Real world was that Loeb wasn't going to follow what Byrne, Ordway, Stern, Jurgens and Simonson did with the Kryptonite radiation poisoning during their tenure.

Or follow common sense, either, much less previously established facts and events within the DCU. There's no way that a cancer-from-Kryptonite survivor like Lex is going to willingly inject that same stuff into his own body, after what simply wearing a Kryptonite ring had done to him before. Even going with the "Loeb says Kryptonite is safe for humans now" rationale, it's still both wildly out of character for Luthor nor does it give him any advantage over Superman in a confrontation.

Mat001

10-28-2009, 05:04 PM

Really? So, what, Lex was going to shrink Superman down to microscopic size and then inject him into his veins as well, where Superman would then be affected by the Kryptonite radiation present there? Because that's the only way that I see him using Kryptonite internally as opposed to externally having any effect on Superman.

Radioactive iodine is something that people take for medicial purposes and one who ingests it, shouldn't be around their loved ones for a day or two, for safety concerns. I know because my mother had to take it twice and couldn't be around me and my siblings. Likewise, Kryptonite taken internally would have the same effect. That's why the Kryptonite Man is dangerous to a Kryptonian. His whole body is Kryptonite and radiates internally and externally.

smoultjum

10-28-2009, 07:42 PM

I accept with information:A few parts were left out of the comic like Cir-El, Nightwing Superboy, Natasha, Robin, Huntress, Batgirl. part just thinking about it offhand. It's been a few years since.

brundlefly

10-29-2009, 04:05 PM

Radioactive iodine is something that people take for medicial purposes and one who ingests it, shouldn't be around their loved ones for a day or two, for safety concerns. I know because my mother had to take it twice and couldn't be around me and my siblings. Likewise, Kryptonite taken internally would have the same effect. That's why the Kryptonite Man is dangerous to a Kryptonian. His whole body is Kryptonite and radiates internally and externally.

But Lex then confronted Superman while wearing a forcefield-equipped battlesuit, essentially negating any said effects of that Kryptonite injection. And also making the Venom injection similarly redundant, since the battlesuit would augment Lex's strength far more than the Venom would, while also not requiring the dangerous use of an addictive drug. Both injections served utterly no purpose from either a scientific or strategic perspective.

IMO, Loeb just wanted the supposed "edginess" of the 'Lex as a crazed IV-drug user' scene and then used heavy-handed symbolism with the 2 substances links to each of the book's heroes (Kryptonite for Superman, Venom for Batman). But there most certainly wasn't an ounce of logic or that went into it.

FunkyGreenJerusalem

10-29-2009, 06:09 PM

I still haven't seen this DVD for sale anywhere.

Really annoying - when this thread started I decided to check out one of the DC Animated films, loved, and have now seen, and loved, the rest.
(Except for the Batman one).
I think as I actually enjoyed Superman: Doomsday, I'm probably going to think this is up there with Kubrick or Tarkovsky!

I suppose that was the "political intrigue" the back of the box promised.

SEAN

So you can write any story, and as long as one of the characters is a politician it's 'political intrigue'?

It's like how Zack Snyder remade a film, did a very close adaptation for his next, and is then labeled a 'visionary director' in the ads.
He directs, and he can see, ergo, he's a visionary director.

In this case, Lex is President, so it's political, and some of his actions don't make perfect sense and so you are 'intrigued', thus, political intrigue.

OverMaster

11-01-2009, 07:31 AM

Is clear the 'political intrigue' refers to the tension between Luthor and Amanda Waller. Complete with sexual spicing! Saucy! :tongue:

Watched it last night. Overall better than the comic (not that's saying much). Glad to see they replaced Batman kicking Captain Marvel with him shooting Marvel with some Bat-ray gizmo.

As much of a good adaptation as Superman/Doomsday. The major plotholes still were there (the Venom thing will never make any sense), but still bettter than any Marvel DTV except Ultimate Avengers I and Hulk vs. Wolverine.

Was Solomon Grundy voiced by Mark Hamill again? His voice wasn't credited at the end, and I'm not sure about it.

Shokoti

11-01-2009, 09:33 AM

What was really annoying to me in the movie is that they wouldn't let Superman use his powers properly.

For example.

Superman not using his x-ray vision to check if Lex Luthor or whoever had krytonite on them.:mad:

Superman not using his super freeze breath and super-speed in any battle.:mad:

Mat001

11-01-2009, 12:19 PM

He doesn't do that comics either.

gwydion

11-01-2009, 03:35 PM

He doesn't do that comics either.

Really, if pretty much any of the most powerful heroes used all their abilities wisely, there wouldn't be much of a fight most of the time, which seems to be why they don't. I'm not sure what the answer would be---except to give them enemies who can truly match them even when they go all out.

Free-Man

11-01-2009, 06:35 PM

I liked the voice acting for the most part. Though I would've cast McGinley as Captain Atom rather than Metallo.

But it was nice to see PG FINALLY get some love on the cartoon front.

getsimple

11-01-2009, 08:43 PM

Nice info..

FunkyGreenJerusalem

11-01-2009, 08:57 PM

Is clear the 'political intrigue' refers to the tension between Luthor and Amanda Waller. Complete with sexual spicing! Saucy! :tongue:

Luthor 's hard up against The Wall?

Why can't I find this film anywhere???

It's either going to be the greatest film ever, or the greatest train wreck ever!

(Until they adapt Countdown: The novel into an eighty minute film, that is!)

FunkyGreenJerusalem

11-19-2009, 07:03 PM

I finally found, purchased, and watched the film.

Wowsers that was bad.

I mean the unrequited love subplot, between the two heroes was interesting, but I think we needed to see Superman get jealous of Robin, the way Bats was with Lois, because otherwise Superman seemed a little cold.
(Especially in that part where he didn't even bother with the 30sec flight up to see if Batman survived the explosion until PG said he might have survived).

Also, I would have appreciated that kid with the giant robots to have at least been mentioned before he saved - if he had to be in at all - and also, if tehy could have worked a little harder to disguise that 'it's got manual control but we won't need it' line.
I think someone with the experience of Superman or Batman should have heard that and just gone straight to the controls, because they should have known it was going to play out that way.

Oh, and I took the political intrigue to be the part where that dude robs the newspaper machine for coins - it was full of papers, yet also full of coins? In a struggling economy where rioting and thieving is happening all over, people stopped to buy the paper?
People still buy papers in a world where tanks are rolling down the streets?