What do you think of Cigarette/cigar smokers?

[o1pickleboy]

Wow i like the smell but they don't taste any different than regular cigs but Obama said he was gonna crack down on the cigarette companies even tho he is a long time smoker himself.

There is a different between the user and the pusher. Most of us smokers have negative opinions of Big Tobacco

[Paradox]

I always hated clove cigarettes near me, but that's because I had really bad teeth and my toothache medicine was clove based. Even the smell of cloves (smoke or not) gives me "phantom pain" in my gums. :tongue:

[Sean Whitmore]

So apparently clove cigarettes have been banned all across the US. I don't smoke cloves anymore, but it's FUCKING STUPID.

Can menthols be far behind?


SEAN

[pariah-1972]

There is a different between the user and the pusher. Most of us smokers have negative opinions of Big TobaccoYeah he said he has been trying to quit for a while.... but i think its weird he doesn't seem like someone who would be a smoker.
especially since he plays basketball regularly and you have to be in good health (especially your lungs) to do that.

[Daniel Mengsk]

What is your opinion of smokers?

Hang 'em!

LOL Just kidding. :tongue:

I don't smoke myself, but some of my co-workers do (I work night-shifts), and whenever they go out for a smoke I'll go out with them. The cold night-air mixed with the smoke of a cigarette - I don't know why, but I find it strangely refreshing.

[Paradox]

pariah-1972 should know individuality:

Yeah he said he has been trying to quit for a while.... but i think its weird he doesn't seem like someone who would be a smoker.
especially since he plays basketball regularly and you have to be in good health (especially your lungs) to do that.

I've been smoking over twenty years and my lung capacity is still better than my peers who don't smoke. **shrugs** Different people have different effects. From what I hear, Obama's not a heavy smoker, anyway (possibly only because he's in the spotlight all the time, but the why isn't all that important).

[pariah-1972]

I've been smoking over twenty years and my lung capacity is still better than my peers who don't smoke. **shrugs** Different people have different effects. From what I hear, Obama's not a heavy smoker, anyway (possibly only because he's in the spotlight all the time, but the why isn't all that important).Well the why is important i think but he has said lots of times he wishes he could quit .
and i'm sure he doesn't wanna be seen as having a negative influence especially on young people who may look up to him as a role model,

These are all good traits and makes him seem like less of a hypocrite to some people when he comes down hard on the Tobacco companies for stuff like giving away coupons and stuff.

[Gary_B]

Hang 'em!

LOL Just kidding. :tongue:

I don't smoke myself, but some of my co-workers do (I work night-shifts), and whenever they go out for a smoke I'll go out with them. The cold night-air mixed with the smoke of a cigarette - I don't know why, but I find it strangely refreshing.

Well, there you go. I've had several jobs over the years where it is assumed that people who smoke can take extra "smoke" breaks. What is up with that? You have an addictive habit and, therefore, you are entitled to more breaks than your non-addicted co-workers?

[Ontir]

I know cigarettes are highly addictive, intentionally so, and they've been compared to heroin in terms of difficulty in kicking. I don't smoke, I watched it kill my Grandfather when I was 5. It was terrible. I don't like smoke around me, I'm asthmatic and it's really bothersome, so I ask people if they can re-direct their smoke, if possible, if I can't just move. I hope they can break the addiction before it inflicts permanent and untreatable damage.

At the same time, I hate that smokers get extra brakes at work. It was so bad at one job, that whenever I felt like kicking back, I'd walk to the break room and sit down. If anyone asked, I'd tell them I was taking a smokeless break. Unless they got the smokers back to work, they couldn't bitch at me.

[Daniel Mengsk]

and i'm sure he doesn't wanna be seen as having a negative influence especially on young people who may look up to him as a role model,

That's a thing that I've never understood about the U.S.; why must every known person (celebrities, politicians etc) over there have to be some kind of *bleeping* role model to the general public?

Can't people be allowed to be just....people?

[Paradox]

pariah-1972 paints a picture:

Well the why is important i think but he has said lots of times he wishes he could quit .

To be honest, that's not all that uncommon an attitude in smokers. It's one I had for years (still do, actually). I've just given up trying because of so many failures.


and i'm sure he doesn't wanna be seen as having a negative influence especially on young people who may look up to him as a role model,

These are all good traits and makes him seem like less of a hypocrite to some people when he comes down hard on the Tobacco companies for stuff like giving away coupons and stuff.

Oh, sure, agree with all that. I was just saying the why of him not being a heavy smoker in particular isn't relevant, just that he isn't. And just because one smokes doesn't mean one backs the tobacco industry. They're still a bunch of sleazy motherfuckers, smoker or not. Of course, PR doesn't work that way, though.

He's probably just sneaking a few from his SS agents, like ol' Jeb Bartlett in West Wing. And, hey, he does have the most stressful job in the world. I can certainly understand the need for stress relief. But, yeah, he keeps it out of sight as much as possible.

[Paradox]

Giles wonders what I always wondered:

That's a thing that I've never understood about the U.S.; why must every known person (celebrities, politicians etc) over there have to be some kind of *bleeping* role model to the general public?

Can't people be allowed to be just....people?

Not in this celebrity obsessed society, apparently. The Gods of PR declare it so. Pathetic, isn't it?

[Daniel Mengsk]

Well, there you go. I've had several jobs over the years where it is assumed that people who smoke can take extra "smoke" breaks. What is up with that? You have an addictive habit and, therefore, you are entitled to more breaks than your non-addicted co-workers?

To be honest, we do this during our regular night break. The rules for the day staff (who smokes) are getting tougher - a zero tolerance policy for smoking - if you work in the public sector - is in place in several Communities of my country. You can still smoke on your lunch-break, but other than that...


Not in this celebrity obsessed society, apparently. The Gods of PR declare it so. Pathetic, isn't it?

Absolutely - everybody knows that celebrities are imperfect human beings, yet still.....:rolleyes:

[Fenris]

That's a thing that I've never understood about the U.S.; why must every known person (celebrities, politicians etc) over there have to be some kind of *bleeping* role model to the general public?

Can't people be allowed to be just....people?

Sure! Almost everyone is.

But successful celebrities and politicians aren't being themselves at all; they're playing out a media-driven persona that's designed to appeal to the public. Personal authenticity isn't a big priority; it isn't even a small one. Their job is to manage their public image.

With all that in mind, I don't really have any problem with pressuring them to be role models. Since their job is to push themselves upon our attention, like a kind of public telemarketer, they might as well not set a bad example to kids in the process.

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Well, aside from the whole bad example of the career itself!

[Nick Soapdish]

I've been smoking over twenty years and my lung capacity is still better than my peers who don't smoke. **shrugs** Different people have different effects. From what I hear, Obama's not a heavy smoker, anyway (possibly only because he's in the spotlight all the time, but the why isn't all that important).

Yeah, it doesn't always correlate. I've never smoked, but my lung capacity probably rivals my grandmother.

[Paradox]

gary bolt notes:

Well, there you go. I've had several jobs over the years where it is assumed that people who smoke can take extra "smoke" breaks. What is up with that? You have an addictive habit and, therefore, you are entitled to more breaks than your non-addicted co-workers?

That's actually similar to the reason I got hooked in the first place. When I worked in the shoe store, if I went in back to take a break, they'd make me go back out on the floor. If I went in back to have a cigarette, they'd leave me alone. Next thing I knew, I was hooked.

[howyadoin]

That's a thing that I've never understood about the U.S.; why must every known person (celebrities, politicians etc) over there have to be some kind of *bleeping* role model to the general public?The U.S. doesn't have a king or queen, so they have to put somebody else on a pedestal.

[Paradox]

We had a king, but he died on the throne. As for queens, well... :wink:

[DrewTheXenocide]

I know cigarettes are highly addictive, intentionally so, and they've been compared to heroin in terms of difficulty in kicking. I don't smoke, I watched it kill my Grandfather when I was 5. It was terrible. I don't like smoke around me, I'm asthmatic and it's really bothersome, so I ask people if they can re-direct their smoke, if possible, if I can't just move. I hope they can break the addiction before it inflicts permanent and untreatable damage.

Somehow, I doubt that.


At the same time, I hate that smokers get extra brakes at work. It was so bad at one job, that whenever I felt like kicking back, I'd walk to the break room and sit down. If anyone asked, I'd tell them I was taking a smokeless break. Unless they got the smokers back to work, they couldn't bitch at me.

I never got that either. It's stupid and just lazy.

[Paradox]

DrewTheXenocide sees the hyperbole:

Somehow, I doubt that.

I've seen that reported, too, and also find it to be bullshit. The withdrawal symptoms don't even compare. It's mostly hard because it's everywhere and legal. If I had to see a "dealer" to get smokes, I could probably kick them easily enough.

[Daniel Mengsk]

The U.S. doesn't have a king or queen, so they have to put somebody else on a pedestal.

I still don't understand, I'm affraid. :smile:

Behold, the Queen of Denmark:

http://bonnelyche.blogg.se/images/2008/maggancigg_16055281.jpg

[Ontir]

Somehow, I doubt that...

What do you doubt?

[Paradox]

The part he bolded. That cigarettes are as hard to kick as heroin. Patent nonsense.

[pariah-1972]

That's a thing that I've never understood about the U.S.; why must every known person (celebrities, politicians etc) over there have to be some kind of *bleeping* role model to the general public?

Can't people be allowed to be just....people?I don't find celebrities and entertainers should be "role models" cause they are entertainers and all but i think the president has a bigger responsibility especially with him being the first African American there is an even bigger sense of him being a role model for young African American kids or any other minority since there are so very few of them out there for them (Jordan perhaps)

but that said even presidents make mistakes which is why it's hard being a role model for anyone.

[Gary_B]

That's actually similar to the reason I got hooked in the first place. When I worked in the shoe store, if I went in back to take a break, they'd make me go back out on the floor. If I went in back to have a cigarette, they'd leave me alone. Next thing I knew, I was hooked.

I worked in the kitchen at a fried chicken restaurant during my first year of college and I was trying to quit smoking at the time. If orders slowed down the smokers would drop what they were doing and huddle under one of the exhaust hoods for a smoke. I tried to just hand there under the exhaust hood with them but my manager would get upset about me not working. Pretty soon I was a full-on smoker again.

[Minkie]

I know that for someone who has tried to conquer a habit, any sentence starting with "Have you tried...." is annoying. It can be pretty presumptuous.

I know this from my struggle to control my weight and to bring other discipline into my life.

Once I needed, really needed, antidepressants. My doctor put me on one and I hated it. Made me forgetful. The next made my speech slur. The next made it difficult to recall the precise word I needed in some context or other. ALL of them killed my libido. My doctor said, "We really don't know how any of these work. We just keep trying till we hit the right one."

The next one did the trick. No side effects that I could detect. A precise surgical excision of the black depression. Libido intact, in fact for a little while even enhanced.

And I stopped smoking. Later it developed that the particular medication, bupropion, had helped many depressives quit smoking. So there was at least that side effect for many people, and doctors began prescribing it to help patients quit smoking.

Trade name as an antidepressant is Wellbutrin; for smoking cessation, Xyban,
It's now available as a very cheap generic. I think it's one of those on Wal-Mart's 90-day supply for $10.00 list, and you still need a prescription.

Doesn't work for everyone. Didn't help my brother at all.

But if you haven't tried it, you haven't tried everything. And as my doctor said about the antidepressants, sometimes you just keep trying till you hit the right one.

As they say, if this can help one person....

[section 8]

Wellbutrin, made me miserable beyond words. I was worse on that stuff than I was without meds at all.

Long story short, yeah I tried it.

[Slam_Bradley]

Can menthols be far behind?

Menthols were specifically exempted. They make up about 30% of cigarette sales. But they make up 80% of the cigarettes smoked by black smokers. The fear was that a ban on menthols would be seen as racist.

All the other flavored cigarettes are niche items and will have no effect on anyone's bottom line.

[Typo Lad]

Well, there you go. I've had several jobs over the years where it is assumed that people who smoke can take extra "smoke" breaks. What is up with that? You have an addictive habit and, therefore, you are entitled to more breaks than your non-addicted co-workers?

One thing I like about my current job - we're all entitled to "smoke breaks", whether we smoke or not.

[Puma]

One thing I like about my current job - we're all entitled to "smoke breaks", whether we smoke or not.

We don't allow extra breaks for smokes. Everyone gets a 15 minute break every four hours and then lunch, you smoke then.

[Typo Lad]

We get micro-breaks. We can actually get in trouble for not taking them.

[Puma]

We get micro-breaks. We can actually get in trouble for not taking them.

Micro breaks for us are one minute, stand up, do ergonomic stretches, return to work.

[Dreadstar]

My heroes have always been smokers.

[Puma]

My heroes have always been smokers.

So were mine, they died of lung cancer.


RIP Duke & Bogie

[Dreadstar]

So were mine, they died of lung cancer.


RIP Duke & Bogie

Yep.

It's interesting to note that Wayne didn't really often smoke on screen. I think he was one of those guys where smoking actually detracted from the image.

Now Mitchum and Widmark, on the other hand...

[Puma]

Yep.

It's interesting to note that Wayne didn't really often smoke on screen. I think he was one of those guys where smoking actually detracted from the image.

Now Mitchum and Widmark, on the other hand...

I can't picture Mitchum without a dangling cig.