The Dark Knight Sequel Villain Discussion

[Darthhobbit]

Is there already a thread gonig on this? I assume there is but I can't find one if so can i get a link to it, if not...who do you think should be a villain and who should play them.

[satchmo the dragon]

Is there already a thread gonig on this? I assume there is but I can't find one if so can i get a link to it, if not...who do you think should be a villain and who should play them.

Maybe Scarecrow again?

[ComicBreak]

I think Riddler or Mad Hatter done in Nolan's style would be disturbing and highly entertaining.

[goat]

Out of anyone? Anarky.

I think Nolan could do this amazingly on screen. Taking a page out of the 80s Anarky, where he holds trials on TV, and lets their fate fall in the hands of the people, even allowing capital punishment. I really think he would visually be stunning and eerie on screen. Anarky is fully convinced that his actions are justified, and so does Batman. It just works on so many levels. This would be my dream film.

Realistically? Riddler.

Nolan could produce an absolutely killer Riddler story, and I think that he is going to do Riddler next. I am all for this, but I would really like to see Anarky presented on screen.

[Darthhobbit]

i think Riddler played by Jim Parsons(Sheldon 'Big Bang Theory') and part of me would liek to see Two-Face again, also i agree with a villain never done before like Mad Hatter, Soloman Grundy or even Killer Croc.

[Infinity Man]

i think Riddler played by Jim Parsons(Sheldon 'Big Bang Theory')

Oh that would be great. Jim Parsons really captures his role as Sheldon, I'd like to see what he would do with the Riddler. Honestly I was really hoping that they would use the Dark Knight as an introduction for Two-Face, and that he would be the primary villain of the next movie, but no, he's dead. Killing off Two-Face like that was my one complaint with the Dark Knight.

[gforguava]

Thanks to both Batman and the Joker in The Dark Knight, organized crime in Gotham is almost non-existent, so I'd follow through with the sliding into insanity narrative they've built. Gotham is getting worse, more Bat-villains would be about and from there you could take it any number of ways.

My personal picks would be:

a) Bane. He would come to Gotham and restore order to the criminal element in the city, and could be set up as Batman's dark reflection. Plus it would be nice to have a villain who can really put up a fight.

b) A reworked version of No Man's Land. Gotham has been presented as an integral part of Nolan's films, Batman's relationship and affect on it is obvious, and with the way the last movie ended it seems damn near perfect to have Gotham itself (after the Joker's rampage, Dent's death, and Batman being labelled a killer) collapse. Could use any number of Bat-villains throughout with Bullock being brought in as the main foil.

[Sn4tcH]

I REALLY want two face to return. Maybe Mad Hatter could be brought in. Perhaps he worked for the government, at some point on experiments like Project MKULTRA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA).

I hate the idea that most people come up with for the Riddler. "Oh, make him like Jigsaw, where he's a psycho that kills people if they can't figure out his riddles..."

Gimme a break.

[Darthhobbit]

see arron eckhart has said he wouldl iek to come back, wouldn't be hard for him to come back. i don't think Bane could bring back criminal underworld...he is more of a physical fight not the criminal, Penguin could easily do it. If they bring back two-face I would like to see them try the "freaks versus greeks" aspect liek in Long Halloween, and Haunted Knight

[Bicycle-Repairman]

I'd like to see the Penguin played by Bob Hoskins. I know Nolan has gone on record saying he doesn't think the Penguin is realistic enough for his take on the series, but that doesn't have to be the case if he's portrayed like the sophisticated criminal mastermind from the comics instead of the circus freak raised in the sewers by penguins from Batman Returns. They could have the Penguin trying to assert control of Gotham's underworld after the events of The Dark Knight. Another villain could be fighting a gang war with the Penguin or working for the Penguin.

[Vakanai]

Catwoman. She needs a good film appearance to make up for the last one.

Oh that would be great. Jim Parsons really captures his role as Sheldon, I'd like to see what he would do with the Riddler.

I thought the exact same thing. Weird.
My only problem with this is I don't think he has the right voice for it.
But hell, I only know of him doing the one role, for all I know he could do all kinds of voices. It's possible.

Edit: Also, no more Two Face. I thought he was great, but I don't want comic book deaths to be a part of this franchise. Keep the dead dead.
Except for Joker. Don't bring him back yet, but maybe in the fourth. Remember, Joker didn't die at the end of the movie, just an actor (no disrespect though).

[Jake V]

Catwoman. She needs a good film appearance to make up for the last one.
I thought Michelle Pfeiffer did great. A new Catwoman would be nice, but I'm not aware of any other Catwoman that a new one would need to atone for.

[Sn4tcH]

I thought Michelle Pfeiffer did great. A new Catwoman would be nice, but I'm not aware of any other Catwoman that a new one would need to atone for.

http://www.nypost.com/r/nypost/blogs/popwrap/200812/Images/200812_catwoman-halle-berry.jpg

[Jake V]

http://www.nypost.com/r/nypost/blogs/popwrap/200812/Images/200812_catwoman-halle-berry.jpg
Sorry, no. That never happened. You must be mistaken.

[Sn4tcH]

Search your feelings, you know it to be true...

[Vakanai]

I thought Michelle Pfeiffer did great. A new Catwoman would be nice, but I'm not aware of any other Catwoman that a new one would need to atone for.

You know, the Halle Berry one?

[Your Imaginary Pal]

Well bruce does need a Love interest now tat rachel is dead, and even if she wasn't she would have chosen someone else so a Catwoman or better Talia Al Ghul would be great and they both have internal conflict built in, "I found the perfect woman, but she goes against everything I stand for."
With Talia, he let her father die, she could want revenge. Batman needs a femme fatale this time around.
And HalleCat did happen, I didn't see it happen but I know it must have been awful, she was half naked and men still didn't enjoy the film.
A Nolan Catwoman needs to happen. And she needs to be able to seduce Bruce and Confound the Bat. Who is teetering on the Dark side of justice. Moral ambiguity abound.

[Darthhobbit]

No iagree....never happened....maybe we all blocked it from our memory cause when we saw the trailer...we died inside...not just a little....we just...died inside. I just want to see a villain never done before, even if it is just a small thing like Soloman in the sewers. Mad Hatter would be a good side villain, kidnapping kids. Catwoman needs to be Selina Kyle, she IS Bruce Waynes love interest, as well as Batman's.

[Nefarius]

Search your feelings, you know it to be true...

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[Darthhobbit]

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LMAO. I can feel your anger boiling inside you, wait a minute time out!

[Vigilante Justice]

The cops are after Batman full force like explained at the ending of Dark Knight. So they bring in the best detective in Metropolis, Edward Nashton to catch him. The city has turned against Batman and with all the cops focusing on catching him, Zsasz breaks out of Arkham with the help of his cell mate Jervis Tetch. During the break out for a shout out to fans have a Harleen Quinzel cameo (Shirley Moon Zombie) coming back from the Jokers cell.

Rather then teaming up the villains wreck havoc separately and give Batman a full plate to handle. Batman is constantly one step ahead of the GCPD and therefore on his way to being the first criminal Nashton can't catch. Clearly shown as OCD through the whole movie a psychotic persona starts to develop in the Riddler.

I figure having Zsasz be a major role fits the "dark" world of the Dark Knight with a serial killer aspect. The murders should be brutal all young girls. The Mad Hatter won't be much more then a small disturbance. The development of the Riddler should finish around the end of the movie and leave it for him to star in the next one.

I think love triangles are retarded but a Talia and Selina love triangle would be interesting, besides Ra's Al Ghul is not dead...

[Damiean Dark]

It should have been two face he is widely known to be batmans no 2 villain but i hated the way he was used,quick transformation somehow the joker of all people convinces him its the cops fault and then he takes a trip of a rooftop:mad: ?

He should have survived the joker kidnap but gotten scarred and SLOWLY dissolved into twoface dammit who wouldnt have wet thier pants in anticipation if the movie ended with him flipping a coin over a mob bossed corpse looked into the screen and said.

:eek: "whos harvey dent? you can call me twoface":eek:

And cue batman 3...

[Infinity Man]

I thought the exact same thing. Weird.
My only problem with this is I don't think he has the right voice for it.
But hell, I only know of him doing the one role, for all I know he could do all kinds of voices. It's possible.

Edit: Also, no more Two Face. I thought he was great, but I don't want comic book deaths to be a part of this franchise. Keep the dead dead.
Except for Joker. Don't bring him back yet, but maybe in the fourth. Remember, Joker didn't die at the end of the movie, just an actor (no disrespect though).

I haven't seen Jim Parsons in anything else either, but I would like to what else he could do. As far as brining the Joker back...Who else could do that role? No one in their right mind would follow Heath Ledger's performance. I think maybe Johnny Depp could pull off a good Joker, but it would be tough for anyone to be able to do the character like Ledger, which is important since this is supposed to be the same person.

see arron eckhart has said he wouldl iek to come back, wouldn't be hard for him to come back.

It would be hard for Two-Face to come back since Nolan considers the character to be dead. That was his response to Eckhart saying he would like to come back.

EDIT: Ok, Two-Face could come back if Blackest Night came to the Nolan-verse.

[Darthhobbit]

Oh i don't think Two-Face would come back, Nolan has not made any comments on Two-Face as far as I know, only Eckhart has commented on wanting to come back. If Blackest Night came to the "Nolan-verse"(nice word by the way lol) first Bruce Wayne would need to die. As far as criminal underworld having no leader, Maroni is still alive and I think having Two-Face be an unseen "puppeteer" to the underworld would be amazing, jsut liek in Dark Victory have his office robbed, Falcone's body dissappear from the grave, Soloman Grundy roaming the sewers, I said it once i will say it again, Freaks Versus Greeks would be amazing. Especially considering batman is now wanted by the GCPD.

[comicsmetal]

I would love to see what Nolan can do with the black mask.Seems like Nolan wants to put more focus on the other Batman villians .He did it with Batman begins,so I hope he will do this in the third Batman.

[Lew Moxon]

, Maroni is still alive .

Are you sure about that, I thought Maroni was killed.

I mean, it's the only way Dent's body count as mentioned by Gordon even remotely makes sense

I'll accept that Gordon thinks that the cop killed by the Joker is Dent's first victim

that leaves four people

Maroni and his driver are two more victims.

Weirtz is another one.

Which means Dent killed four, not five people. Unless someone else was in that car, or that murder wasn't seen.

[DonC]

Is there already a thread gonig on this? I assume there is but I can't find one


Your search powers are weak, old man. (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=269260&highlight=Nolan)

Oh, yeah, I'd like to Hugo Strange. Start with Bruce needing therapy after failing Rachel and Harvey and take it from there.

[Sn4tcH]

Maroni is still alive

I don't think so, but even more importantly Falcone is still alive... I wrote this right after Dark Knight came out, but here was my first idea for a third Batman film:

Okay this is under the assumption that Two-Face is alive at the end of the Dark Knight.

The film opens with a robbery happening. Batman comes in to stop the crooks, but the cops show up. Instead of going after the crooks they chase Batman. A great car chase happens. Eventually Batman is able to get away, but one officer is able to keep on his tail, but decides to stop chasing. It turns out to be Gordon.

Carmine Falcone was the leader of the mobs in Gotham during Batman Begins, up until the Scarecrow gassed him. The last place we saw Carmine Falcone was where? Arkham. Where am I assuming Two-face is at the end of Dark Knight? Arkham. A masked killer shows up to kill Falcone in Arkham, and during the commotion the murderer also sets free some of the inmates, including Harvey Dent.

Suddenly mobsters start falling left and right. Gordon and Batman start collecting clues to find out who's behind the murders, which leads them to suspecting Dent. Gordon wants to catch Dent, Batman wants to redeem him. Little do they know, the killer is not Dent at all, but someone else.Gordon appears on a talk show with the mayor and someone named Dr. Strange. After a short psycho analysis of the Batman, the Mayor declares that Gordon would be leading a new Batman task force to take out the Dark Knight. Gordon is not happy.

While this is happening, Dent makes some public appearances to show what Batman had "done" to him. He tries to convince Gotham they need someone willing t TRULY "take care" of the villains in Gotham. With Batman not having been able to protect Gotham, crime has gotten worse, and with this newly dubbed "Hangman" serial killer running around, the citizens of Gotham take Dents side.

This is when Selina Kyle can enter the picture. In the comic, it's pretty much shown that Selina is the illegitimate daughter of Carmine Falcone. She shows up in Gotham to start looking for some kind of proof that the man who just died is in fact her father. She's already been a cat burglar for a while, so, she breaks into Falcones house one night looking for any type of connection she can find. As she's snooping around, the "Hangman" killer shows up and tries to kill her. Batman intervenes, but the killer gets away. He also attempts to apprehend Selina, but she's able to get away as well.

As the film goes on, it's shown she likes to hang out with the higher up in Gotham, which is how she meets Bruce. At first she helps Bruce get over the death of Rachel, but he quickly falls in love with her, as he senses they have more in common than he knows.

After a few more confrontations with both the "Hangman" killer and Two-face, Batman finally catches up to Harvey, who is about to murder Alberto Falcone, the real "Hangman" killer and the son of Carmine Falcone. Alberto had broken into Arkham to kill his father so he could finally get all of his assets, but then let loose some of the inmates to cover his tracks, not knowing that Harvey was one of them. Alberto planned on using the money to give power back to the mobs of Gotham City, but first he had to establish a new order by killing the leaders of the old families who has began to join forces with the "freaks".

Harvey had been working behind the scenes, trying to find out who was the mastermind behind this plan, and who was pumping money into these new families that were popping up in the old ones places. Batman tries again to convince Harvey to not kill Alberto, and that he can be redeemed. Harvey leaves his redemption to a coin toss. But the coin is whipped out of the air as Selina, in her cat burglar garb, but unmasked, steps in to save Alberto. The coin is shown laying on the ground, good side up. Batman fights Two-face, but eventually knocks him out.

Selina is walking out of the building with Alberto, when she tells him they are siblings, and that she plans on killing him. He attempts to escape, and nearly falls out of a window. Batman is able to shoot a grapple around Albertos legs and catch him, but Selina immediately goes to cut the wire with her claws. She has found out that if she kills Alberto that she will inherit the millions that the Falcone family has. In a final attempt to stop her from killing him, he takes off his mask for a moment to show her that everything can be okay, and she begins to help Batman pull in Alberto. Suddenly a gunshot is heard, and the rope for the grapple snaps. Another shot, hits Selina in the head, killing her and she follows Alberto out the window.

Batman then turns around to fight a now conscious Two-face, beating him nearly to death. Gordon then shows up, giving him a speech, reminding him who he is, and that if he kills Harvey, then he's just fallen into the same hole Harvey did when Rachel died. Batman gets up and hands Harvey to the police. The film ends on a somber note, reminding the viewer that being Batman is a heavy burden, but bringing the story full circle."

Again, I wrote this right after TDK came out, some things should probably be fixed. I was thinking there needs to be some turning point where the citizens see Harvey for the psycho he really is, and everyone realizes that Batman is the hero.

[Darthhobbit]

it sounds like you just described Dark Victory....

[ocabal]

I think instead of going with a villian we all know they should just have Jeff Goldbloom be the villian as himself. An evil Jeff Goldbloom.

[comicsmetal]

I don't think so, but even more importantly Falcone is still alive... I wrote this right after Dark Knight came out, but here was my first idea for a third Batman film:

Okay this is under the assumption that Two-Face is alive at the end of the Dark Knight.

The film opens with a robbery happening. Batman comes in to stop the crooks, but the cops show up. Instead of going after the crooks they chase Batman. A great car chase happens. Eventually Batman is able to get away, but one officer is able to keep on his tail, but decides to stop chasing. It turns out to be Gordon.

Carmine Falcone was the leader of the mobs in Gotham during Batman Begins, up until the Scarecrow gassed him. The last place we saw Carmine Falcone was where? Arkham. Where am I assuming Two-face is at the end of Dark Knight? Arkham. A masked killer shows up to kill Falcone in Arkham, and during the commotion the murderer also sets free some of the inmates, including Harvey Dent.

Suddenly mobsters start falling left and right. Gordon and Batman start collecting clues to find out who's behind the murders, which leads them to suspecting Dent. Gordon wants to catch Dent, Batman wants to redeem him. Little do they know, the killer is not Dent at all, but someone else.Gordon appears on a talk show with the mayor and someone named Dr. Strange. After a short psycho analysis of the Batman, the Mayor declares that Gordon would be leading a new Batman task force to take out the Dark Knight. Gordon is not happy.

While this is happening, Dent makes some public appearances to show what Batman had "done" to him. He tries to convince Gotham they need someone willing t TRULY "take care" of the villains in Gotham. With Batman not having been able to protect Gotham, crime has gotten worse, and with this newly dubbed "Hangman" serial killer running around, the citizens of Gotham take Dents side.

This is when Selina Kyle can enter the picture. In the comic, it's pretty much shown that Selina is the illegitimate daughter of Carmine Falcone. She shows up in Gotham to start looking for some kind of proof that the man who just died is in fact her father. She's already been a cat burglar for a while, so, she breaks into Falcones house one night looking for any type of connection she can find. As she's snooping around, the "Hangman" killer shows up and tries to kill her. Batman intervenes, but the killer gets away. He also attempts to apprehend Selina, but she's able to get away as well.

As the film goes on, it's shown she likes to hang out with the higher up in Gotham, which is how she meets Bruce. At first she helps Bruce get over the death of Rachel, but he quickly falls in love with her, as he senses they have more in common than he knows.

After a few more confrontations with both the "Hangman" killer and Two-face, Batman finally catches up to Harvey, who is about to murder Alberto Falcone, the real "Hangman" killer and the son of Carmine Falcone. Alberto had broken into Arkham to kill his father so he could finally get all of his assets, but then let loose some of the inmates to cover his tracks, not knowing that Harvey was one of them. Alberto planned on using the money to give power back to the mobs of Gotham City, but first he had to establish a new order by killing the leaders of the old families who has began to join forces with the "freaks".

Harvey had been working behind the scenes, trying to find out who was the mastermind behind this plan, and who was pumping money into these new families that were popping up in the old ones places. Batman tries again to convince Harvey to not kill Alberto, and that he can be redeemed. Harvey leaves his redemption to a coin toss. But the coin is whipped out of the air as Selina, in her cat burglar garb, but unmasked, steps in to save Alberto. The coin is shown laying on the ground, good side up. Batman fights Two-face, but eventually knocks him out.

Selina is walking out of the building with Alberto, when she tells him they are siblings, and that she plans on killing him. He attempts to escape, and nearly falls out of a window. Batman is able to shoot a grapple around Albertos legs and catch him, but Selina immediately goes to cut the wire with her claws. She has found out that if she kills Alberto that she will inherit the millions that the Falcone family has. In a final attempt to stop her from killing him, he takes off his mask for a moment to show her that everything can be okay, and she begins to help Batman pull in Alberto. Suddenly a gunshot is heard, and the rope for the grapple snaps. Another shot, hits Selina in the head, killing her and she follows Alberto out the window.

Batman then turns around to fight a now conscious Two-face, beating him nearly to death. Gordon then shows up, giving him a speech, reminding him who he is, and that if he kills Harvey, then he's just fallen into the same hole Harvey did when Rachel died. Batman gets up and hands Harvey to the police. The film ends on a somber note, reminding the viewer that being Batman is a heavy burden, but bringing the story full circle."

Again, I wrote this right after TDK came out, some things should probably be fixed. I was thinking there needs to be some turning point where the citizens see Harvey for the psycho he really is, and everyone realizes that Batman is the hero.

I like that he is still carzy and let his daughter Sophia run the falcone crime ring.

[moneyspider]

I'd like to see the Riddler and perhaps another villain who together could test Batman's mental skills.

In the third movie I would like to actually see Batman use his detective skills to solve the crime spree of the Riddler and the other villain (Hugo Strange?)

And hopefully we'll finally be able to see the new Batcave, and all of Batman's detective equipment and all of his other items.

[Sn4tcH]

it sounds like you just described Dark Victory....

Considering hey much inspiration Nolan has used from Long Halloween and Dark Victory, it would only make sense.

It's a mix of Prey, Long Halloween, Dark Victory.

[Your Imaginary Pal]

Somebody just mentioned Jeff Goldblum, and a later post mentioned the Riddler.

Put these two things together.

You have WIN.

[Vakanai]

I think love triangles are retarded but a Talia and Selina love triangle would be interesting, besides Ra's Al Ghul is not dead...

Did we see the same Batman film?
The dude could not have survived that. And they're not going to play up the Lazarus pits in the more realistic Batman franchise.
Though I'd be cool with them kind of going with the idea that Ras is more of a legend as it were, and that people can adopt the name. Get a new Ras.
That's the only way I see that playing out.

I haven't seen Jim Parsons in anything else either, but I would like to what else he could do.

Me too.

As far as brining the Joker back...Who else could do that role?

Who thought Ledger could? I'm sure someone could be found.

No one in their right mind would follow Heath Ledger's performance.

How come?
I'll admit tons of people loved Ledger's performance, but I don't consider it the definitive Joker to end all Joker's. There may be some bad fan reaction, because fans are, well, crazy and obsessive, but it certainly wouldn't be an insult to Ledger if someone else were to take up the role. They did it with the Rachael character.

I think maybe Johnny Depp could pull off a good Joker, but it would be tough for anyone to be able to do the character like Ledger, which is important since this is supposed to be the same person.

That would be the problem. You would certainly want someone who could make sense for the continuity. I couldn't even tell much of a difference between the Dawes actresses. Though I liked the second Dawes better. Shame she got killed off.

Carmine Falcone was the leader of the mobs in Gotham during Batman Begins, up until the Scarecrow gassed him. The last place we saw Carmine Falcone was where? Arkham. Where am I assuming Two-face is at the end of Dark Knight?

Six feet under?

Arkham.

I don't think so.
Not unless the local cemetary is also named Arkham.

[gatchamandave]

The ladies

The lack of strong independant female characters in the current two movies - and Rachel’s ultimate fate only underlines it - suggests to me a deliberate strategy on the part of Christopher Nolan. I have a suspicion that he has the Cat, Ivy and the delightful Mz.Quinn* at the back of his mind, ready to explode into the Dark Knight universe in the next instalment.

That, at least, is what I’d like to think.

Selina done well would mess the Bale-Bat up both physically and mentally and cast correctly – which is to say, anyone but Halle Berry – it could only serve to both develop the character of both Bat and Cat. So, how about her dark psychoses and high professionalism contrasted with the anarchic hedonism of Harley and Ivy ? Darn thing practically writes itself…and how about a twist that all three –and Bruce - are being manipulated by Talia ?

*and there’s that all important connection with Mister J

[SarcasmicBengali]

I'm surprised no one mentions this (in the first page anyways... I got lazy)...

but I wouldn't mind Talia Al'Ghul being a major character in the (possible) 3rd film.
the whole daughter coming back to avenge the father's death angle would be cliche, but imagine her character progressively changing over the course of the film into a love interest, once realizing her father's true nature though her interactions with Batman.

the city in turmoil angle mentioned by others makes sense since there's essentialy a power vacuum after TDK.
Imagine a serial killer like Riddler playing games on the city as being one of the sub plots, Batman aprehends him after the first half.
Scarecrow running around doing petty shit too. other random criminal elements running wild, maybe mentions of other arkham inmates from DCU.
all coming together to reveal the major rise to power villain in this film, orchestrating things behind the scenes; which would be revealed as the doctor treating the Riddle... HUSH!
considering the other films dealt with formidable opponents for Batman, the character of Hush wouldn't be after the Bat, but rather Bruce Wayne.

so then we get to see Bruce's having to deal with a criminal element and getting thrown into the fray instead of it always being Batman.
a more personal angle this time around...

if you guys know the origin of Hush you know that it's connected to his parents history and even Scarecrow's history is tied into him along with Riddler.

[SarcasmicBengali]

The ladies

The lack of strong independant female characters in the current two movies - and Rachel’s ultimate fate only underlines it - suggests to me a deliberate strategy on the part of Christopher Nolan. I have a suspicion that he has the Cat, Ivy and the delightful Mz.Quinn* at the back of his mind, ready to explode into the Dark Knight universe in the next instalment.

That, at least, is what I’d like to think.

Selina done well would mess the Bale-Bat up both physically and mentally and cast correctly – which is to say, anyone but Halle Berry – it could only serve to both develop the character of both Bat and Cat. So, how about her dark psychoses and high professionalism contrasted with the anarchic hedonism of Harley and Ivy ? Darn thing practically writes itself…and how about a twist that all three –and Bruce - are being manipulated by Talia ?

*and there’s that all important connection with Mister J

I don't think the lack of strong female leads is intentional.
given Nolan's filmography... he doesn't care much for female leads all that much.

although I agree with you that there should be a more balanced potrayal to Bat's character, hence my Talia Al'Ghul theory might work.

maybe.

[Volvic]

The ladies

The lack of strong independant female characters in the current two movies - and Rachel’s ultimate fate only underlines it - suggests to me a deliberate strategy on the part of Christopher Nolan. I have a suspicion that he has the Cat, Ivy and the delightful Mz.Quinn* at the back of his mind, ready to explode into the Dark Knight universe in the next instalment.


I wish I could agree with that, but considering the fact that the majority of Nolan's films tend to lack the presence of semi-decent female characters in general, I can't see that happening. The Nolan's don't seem capable of creating them, or at least ones that don't end up as the Gitr.

I can't see that pattern changing for the third film. Although I wish that wasn't the case. If any of the three show up for a cameo I'll be happy, but I can't see any of them having a big role.

Nolan will probably use Vicki, or another one of the silver age exes as a love interest and Riddler will probably be the main villain. He's the safest choice.

[Vakanai]

The ladies

The lack of strong independant female characters in the current two movies - and Rachel’s ultimate fate only underlines it - suggests to me a deliberate strategy on the part of Christopher Nolan. I have a suspicion that he has the Cat, Ivy and the delightful Mz.Quinn* at the back of his mind, ready to explode into the Dark Knight universe in the next instalment.

Maybe he just has one of them in the back of his mind (preferably Catwoman). To have all the villainesses in one movie seems like a bad thing. For one thing, there's too many of them. Remember when Spider-Man had to fight three villains in a movie? For another thing, it would make things to complicated.

Selina done well would mess the Bale-Bat up both physically and mentally and cast correctly – which is to say, anyone but Halle Berry – it could only serve to both develop the character of both Bat and Cat. So, how about her dark psychoses and high professionalism contrasted with the anarchic hedonism of Harley and Ivy ? Darn thing practically writes itself…and how about a twist that all three –and Bruce - are being manipulated by Talia ?

It would make an interesting premise for an animated Gotham Girls movie.
Terrible for the third Batman movie after Begins and TDK though.
Though now I want an animated Gotham Girls movie.

*and there’s that all important connection with Mister J

Did we really need one?

[DetectiveDupin]

IMO continuing with Two-face is best for the story, and he is again IMO probably Bats only rogue that can match the Joker is dynamic. His time in the movie was too short, and it's plausible Harvey could have survived the fall and they hid him at Arkham. I'd like to see the story progress like this- Harvey breaks out of Arkham, and becomes a new crime boss, Two-face. Two-face has several "freaks" working as hired guns for him, noticeably the Penguin, a short, disfigured man who always wears tuxes, Black Mask, a ruthless man who is renowned for his torture skills and who has a score to settle with Catwoman, a thief who's been pinching his heists. At the same time Bruce is trying to keep Harvey from destroying all he's worked for, he has to deal with a serial killer named the Riddler, who has his sights set on Batman.

Just a bit of what I think would be cool to see.

[Darthhobbit]

from what i have seen from Nolan's career, he either chooses big name actors to do roles they normally wouldn't(Robin Williams in "Insomniac") or either actors who have been in movies but aren't yet famous(Christian Bale in "Reign of Fire") or actors who aren't famous at all(Cillian Murphy). Johnny Depp is too famous and I don't think he could pull off Joker.

[Mr Prince]

Seeing as how the TDK has left Batman as a true vigilante to everyone in Gotham (excluding Gordon, but he's going to have to at least appear to be hunting him), I can see the Mayor and officials hiring another detective to find out who he is or hiring outside help/offering a reward to capture the Batman.

The Riddler could make sense for the former and the latter could be all sorts of bounty hunters, crime bosses, Leagues of Assassins, or other vigilantes (that become costume criminals) all actively and "righteously" gunning for him until Gotham boils up into chaos. Some names like Deadshot, or Talia come to mind... Maybe Black Mask.

To me, this is the perfect time to introduce Catwoman too. She's too good of a character not to use, especially in this situation. Batman's PR is at an all time low. He's also probably not looking to trust or for love, especially after what happened to Rachel. From Catwoman's POV, she's going to find that intriguing. She may think he's much closer to her side than she is to his and probably isn't going to take any crap from him without an explanation. My idea of Selina Kyle is that of a very capable, intelligent and resourceful individual and combatant. She can hold her own in different ways against the Bat. It's kind of delicious to think of Batman having to decide whether to trust her, given all he's gone through or not. Maybe Selina's biggest score is to have a partner by her side. They both have things in this situation that they could learn/betray to one another... Drama.

Past that, I love the idea of the rise of other of Gotham masked villains copycatting Joker and getting apprehended in short scenes, like Scarecrow in TDK, by Batman. Even if there just one-offs, it'd be fun to see and different from other superhero movies. Hey, despite getting hunted, he still has a job to do.

[Billium 3]

I want to see news reporter Mike Engel (Anthony Michael Hall) become the Riddler. I mean, rearrange the letters a bit, and you get Enigma (Plus a few extra letts of course). I could see this happening if he found out about what REALLY happened to Harvey Dent.

[DetectiveDupin]

I want to see news reporter Mike Engel (Anthony Michael Hall) become the Riddler. I mean, rearrange the letters a bit, and you get Enigma (Plus a few extra letts of course). I could see this happening if he found out about what REALLY happened to Harvey Dent.

I respectfully disagree. I'd like to see him killed in the beginning of the movie by Edward Nigma, the serial killer.

[Vakanai]

I respectfully disagree. I'd like to see him killed in the beginning of the movie by Edward Nigma, the serial killer.

I respectfully disagree. One of the things I like about Riddler is that despite being an evil criminal, he's usually not a crazy killer. Otherwise he would just be Joker-lite.

[Billium 3]

I respectfully disagree. I'd like to see him killed in the beginning of the movie by Edward Nigma, the serial killer.

See, the first movie's theme was about fear, the second about anarky/escalation, and my version would be about truth/doing the right thing; also that heroes can make mistakes, but how they go about fixing them is what should count. I'd have that Engel finds out about what Gordon and Batman did and this makes him paranoid; he can't trust anyone including the most honest of cops and Gotham's silent guardian. He plans to go about exposing the Batman, which he feels will bring Gotham back again (Sort of the antithesis of Batman), feeling that the people shouldn't rely on a freak in a cape to be their protector. I also don't see Riddler as a serial killer. I mean, don't get me wrong, he probably would get a few people killed, but to make him a serial killer might draw too many similarities between him and TDK's Joker. Basically, my Riddler sees himself as Gotham's true hero, one that'll do what it takes to make things what he considers right no matter who or what gets in his way, even if it means undoing Batman and Gordon's ruse. He's already shown his obsession with Batman and questions on his news show, constantly asking questions pertaining to him. My Riddler draws some inspiration from Batman:Arkham Asylum, especially the patient interview tapes you unlock throughout the game.

[Munkiman]

Catwoman or Riddler. Maybe both.

[shades of eternity]

I would do 3 movies in the nolan verse.


1. A beautiful woman and her huge bodyguard have come to gotham and are cleaning up the city in one big stroke. They have also been instrumental in the hunting down of batman by providing support to the cops.

at the same time, the league of shadows has also returned to the city forcing batman to put in some serious time against their world order.

The beautiful woman is named talia and her body guard is bane.

The theme would be "how much is revenge worth?" and "can you really respect somebody who wants you dead?"

2. The Joker is back ...or is he? He has misteriously come out of town and has gone on a crime spree.

A beautiful female shrink is on tv on a regular basis talking about joker, and the batman and how both are destroying the city.

It is later revealed that the joker is dead and it is the shrink who has become a copy cat killer known simply as harley quin, revealed in a manner that would make the movie psycho proud.

This gives a really great option to use mark hamil's voice as the fake joker recorded at random intervals and to watch batman go through a saw type death trap that only a joker type villian could setup.

The big theme is "has the joker won beyond the grave" and "obsession, has it gone too far?"

3. Their is a zodiac type killer on the loose. Leaving only riddles, the batman is forced to confront the man who originally put him away.

his name was harvey dent.

We spend time having dent play hannibal lecter, but also showing that he is redeemable.

The big theme would be "how far can somebody go before he is irredemable."


and throughout the three movies, we could see a fairly poor thug become the new crimeboss of gotham city.

His name would be oswald copperpot and it could either be resolved in the movies, or setup a 4th.

[Major Danger]

I don't remember the Joker dying. Heath Ledger did. Doesn't mean someone else can't take over the role, hell, there's been 6 James Bonds. But it shouldn't happen next film. Harvey Dent had a funeral, but it wasn't proven that Two-Face was dead. Perhaps Gordon shipped him to Arkham and held the funeral because for all intents and purposes Harvey was dead. Two-Face could come back. And Nolan needs to be mindful of the Batman/Spider-Man syndrome, you shouldn't have more than one villain a film. The last Spidey had three and they got about fifteen minutes of air time between them. Doesn't anyone think one villain could hold the audience's attention? If they have to have multiple baddies let them join together like the Secret Six or the old Legion of Doom, don't waste these great characters with limited screentime then toss them away. Anyway, I game for Two-Face to return, or they could save that for later, Riddler, Penguin, Catwoman (when she was a villain and not Batman's little blow-up doll), Bane, Lady Shiva, and there are plenty of others in the DC universe.

[DetectiveDupin]

I don't remember the Joker dying. Heath Ledger did. Doesn't mean someone else can't take over the role, hell, there's been 6 James Bonds. But it shouldn't happen next film. Harvey Dent had a funeral, but it wasn't proven that Two-Face was dead. Perhaps Gordon shipped him to Arkham and held the funeral because for all intents and purposes Harvey was dead. Two-Face could come back. And Nolan needs to be mindful of the Batman/Spider-Man syndrome, you shouldn't have more than one villain a film. The last Spidey had three and they got about fifteen minutes of air time between them. Doesn't anyone think one villain could hold the audience's attention? If they have to have multiple baddies let them join together like the Secret Six or the old Legion of Doom, don't waste these great characters with limited screentime then toss them away. Anyway, I game for Two-Face to return, or they could save that for later, Riddler, Penguin, Catwoman (when she was a villain and not Batman's little blow-up doll), Bane, Lady Shiva, and there are plenty of others in the DC universe.

Christopher Nolan has said he wouldn't re-cast the Joker out of respect for Ledger.

[DetectiveDupin]

See, the first movie's theme was about fear, the second about anarky/escalation, and my version would be about truth/doing the right thing; also that heroes can make mistakes, but how they go about fixing them is what should count. I'd have that Engel finds out about what Gordon and Batman did and this makes him paranoid; he can't trust anyone including the most honest of cops and Gotham's silent guardian. He plans to go about exposing the Batman, which he feels will bring Gotham back again (Sort of the antithesis of Batman), feeling that the people shouldn't rely on a freak in a cape to be their protector. I also don't see Riddler as a serial killer. I mean, don't get me wrong, he probably would get a few people killed, but to make him a serial killer might draw too many similarities between him and TDK's Joker. Basically, my Riddler sees himself as Gotham's true hero, one that'll do what it takes to make things what he considers right no matter who or what gets in his way, even if it means undoing Batman and Gordon's ruse. He's already shown his obsession with Batman and questions on his news show, constantly asking questions pertaining to him. My Riddler draws some inspiration from Batman:Arkham Asylum, especially the patient interview tapes you unlock throughout the game.

I don't want him to be a copycat Joker, like someone above me I see him as a Zodiac-type killer.

[Damiean Dark]

Riddler never was a killer he is purely a genius with a compulsion to tell everyone what he has done,viea his riddles. Turning him into some toned down joker with a few riddles thrown in would suck Nolan has to emphasise how important and strong the compulsion for riddles are.

[shamone]

this is going to be the most difficult part of making the third movie

finding a suitable credible villian

[Darthhobbit]

The Riddler is needed for the msot part of Begins and TDK Batman has faced fear toxins, old teachers, criminal underworld and Joker. All took a big toll on the city and Batman. The Riddler would be good to see that Batman is the world's greatest detective, like it is boasted in the comics. I also still stand by my other posts that I would love to see a minor role with Soloman or Killer Croc, maybe have him investigating corpses washing up on shore that have been gnawed on, like in Batman: Gotham Knight.

[DetectiveDupin]

this is going to be the most difficult part of making the third movie

finding a suitable credible villian

Which is why I think they should continue with Two-face. Nobody can really have as much of a dynamic like Batman/Joker besides Harvey.

[Vakanai]

1. Leave the Joker out of it. It'd be too soon to have him star again, even with a good recast.
2. Twoface is dead, TDK made that pretty obvious I thought. To have Twoface return under the ruse that he wasn't really dead would be insulting people's intelligence and would take away from TDK. Leave him dead.

With those rules in place, the two characters I would most like to see are Riddler and Catwoman. But only under the condition they don't make Riddler a killer like many people have suggested (he's not Saw or the Zodiac Killer dammit!) and they don't do to Catwoman what they did to her in her movie.
Remember, you don't need to up the deaths for a good movie. Whereas Begins and TDK was about putting Gotham in danger, I would make the third film a bit more character driven and have the story be about Batman in danger.

Edit: Add - Do not cast Johnny Depp as Riddler to the conditions rule.

[DetectiveDupin]

1. Leave the Joker out of it. It'd be too soon to have him star again, even with a good recast.
2. Twoface is dead, TDK made that pretty obvious I thought. To have Twoface return under the ruse that he wasn't really dead would be insulting people's intelligence and would take away from TDK. Leave him dead.

With those rules in place, the two characters I would most like to see are Riddler and Catwoman. But only under the condition they don't make Riddler a killer like many people have suggested (he's not Saw or the Zodiac Killer dammit!) and they don't do to Catwoman what they did to her in her movie.
Remember, you don't need to up the deaths for a good movie. Whereas Begins and TDK was about putting Gotham in danger, I would make the third film a bit more character driven and have the story be about Batman in danger.

Edit: Add - Do not cast Johnny Depp as Riddler to the conditions rule.

It's possible Harvey could have survived the fall and they hid him in Arkham. I do not think it's that far off the wagon.

[Vakanai]

It's possible Harvey could have survived the fall and they hid him in Arkham. I do not think it's that far off the wagon.

It's possible, but highly unlikely. Especially given the things that happened after the fall. Gordon and Bruce both acted like he was dead, with their conversation and Bruce turning Harvey's head so the burnt side didn't show. Do you think they would be talking about how to hide the evidence of what he did if he were alive to prove what really went down? And then they showed a bit of his funeral, with Gordon giving him a eulogy. Gordon might agree to keep the secret, or fake his own death, but not somebody else's death. Where would they hide Harvey? Even if they put him in Arkham, people in Arkham are going to know it's Harvey. A doctor working there would be like 'Didn't we just have a funeral for this guy?' Plus you usually need a body for a funeral. It really doesn't add up. Even Nolan's said he considers the character dead. After his finish in TDK, I don't see how bringing him back would add anything to the current film mythos or the character. With all that taken into account, I feel it is pretty far off the wagon, and I would feel cheated if they brought him back. Much more cheated than if they brought back the Joker. At least he was shown to have survived the end of the film.

That's just my dollar (98 cents more than the average 2 cents).

[ocabal]

KILLER MOTH and CRAZY QUILT. They would get Nolan that best pic nomination fo sure.

[Vakanai]

You know, it wouldn't happen in Nolan's realistic take, but I would love a live action film where Batman goes up against Owlman in another universe.

[ocabal]

You know, it wouldn't happen in Nolan's realistic take, but I would love a live action film where Batman goes up against Owlman in another universe.

I think Owlman could be used in the Nolan Batman. He introduced the idea of people taking up the Batman costume to become a crime fighter, would if one of them went over the edge becoming Owlman and now Batman has to bring him in while being hunted by cops and hated by the public from the outcome of TDK.

[Vakanai]

I think Owlman could be used in the Nolan Batman. He introduced the idea of people taking up the Batman costume to become a crime fighter, would if one of them went over the edge becoming Owlman and now Batman has to bring him in while being hunted by cops and hated by the public from the outcome of TDK.

That...would actually be interesting. Just so long as they're somewhat evenly matched.

[nepenthes]

I don't see how they can get away with not using Catwoman this time. No other villain has the same name awareness or audience appeal, and the movie need a love interest now, and more importantly, a dose of sex and levity, a lighter side.

I think TDK is very much a product of its time, there was a lot to say in 2008 but it's gonna be a looong three years to 2011 and alot will be very different then. The next movie needs to capture an entirely new mood. For this reason I also hope that Dick Grayson makes his appearance at the end, leaving the franchise on a sad but also a transforming, optimistic and redemptive note for Bruce Wayne and Gotham City.

In regards to other villains I think a combination of Firefly, Venquilotrist, Penguin, Croc or Bane would be perfect. I have an idea for a simple Penguin scene that would be classic.

Riddler and Black mask would be the worst case scenario.

[jka12002]

False Face from the 60's series would be a good villian, he could change his face to look like anybody.

http://espn-ak.starwave.com/espnradiostations/i/ny/Features/false-face250x250.jpg

Jus imagine a scene where he is inpersonating Two-Face.....

Batman: "I thought I killed you!!!!"

[Jorriss]

That...would actually be interesting. Just so long as they're somewhat evenly matched.
But if they did they that he can't be Bruce Wayne from an alternate dimension and there would be the same duality. May as well just call him Thomas Elliot at that point yeah?

[Vakanai]

But if they did they that he can't be Bruce Wayne from an alternate dimension and there would be the same duality. May as well just call him Thomas Elliot at that point yeah?

Look, I'm a simple man, with simple pleasures. I just want to see a Batman movie where he fights an evil pseudo-Batman. Is that so wrong?
/grumblegrumble/

[The Batman]

Well, if it helps, the Joker in TDK was pretty much an evil Batman.

[Jorriss]

Look, I'm a simple man, with simple pleasures. I just want to see a Batman movie where he fights an evil pseudo-Batman. Is that so wrong?
/grumblegrumble/
I'm sorry homie I was too quick to judge =*(

I'll start the petition for evil pseudo-batman villains in the sequel.

[DetectiveDupin]

I would like to see Deadshot as an enforcer.

[Vakanai]

Well, if it helps, the Joker in TDK was pretty much an evil Batman.
Not really. In fact...no.
I'm sorry homie I was too quick to judge =*(

I'll start the petition for evil pseudo-batman villains in the sequel.

Thank you.

[comicsmetal]

I don't see how they can get away with not using Catwoman this time. No other villain has the same name awareness or audience appeal, and the movie need a love interest now, and more importantly, a dose of sex and levity, a lighter side.

I think TDK is very much a product of its time, there was a lot to say in 2008 but it's gonna be a looong three years to 2011 and alot will be very different then. The next movie needs to capture an entirely new mood. For this reason I also hope that Dick Grayson makes his appearance at the end, leaving the franchise on a sad but also a transforming, optimistic and redemptive note for Bruce Wayne and Gotham City.

In regards to other villains I think a combination of Firefly, Venquilotrist, Penguin, Croc or Bane would be perfect. I have an idea for a simple Penguin scene that would be classic.

Riddler and Black mask would be the worst case scenario.

Why,I would love to see the black mask in the film.

[DetectiveDupin]

Well, if it helps, the Joker in TDK was pretty much an evil Batman.

Umm....No?

[ocabal]

That...would actually be interesting. Just so long as they're somewhat evenly matched.

Glad you liked my idea. It just came to me when you mentioned Owlman and I thought how would Nolan do Owlman.

[The Batman]

Not really. In fact...no.


Umm....No?


Umm . . . yes.

Think about it. In the movies, Batman/Bruce Wayne is an exceptional, determined, and resourceful individual, one who uses theatricality to transform himself into a symbol capable of striking fear into the hearts of Gotham's evildoers so that he might transform the city for the better. In the movies, the Joker is an exceptional, determined, and resourceful individual, one who uses theatricality to transform himself into a symbol capable of striking fear into the hearts of Gotham's citizens so that he might transform the city for the worse.

Thesis and antithesis. Batman and the Joker: two sides of the same coin, one good and the other evil.

[Vakanai]

Umm . . . yes.

Think about it. In the movies, Batman/Bruce Wayne is an exceptional, determined, and resourceful individual, one who uses theatricality to transform himself into a symbol capable of striking fear into the hearts of Gotham's evildoers so that he might transform the city for the better. In the movies, the Joker is an exceptional, determined, and resourceful individual, one who uses theatricality to transform himself into a symbol capable of striking fear into the hearts of Gotham's citizens so that he might transform the city for the worse.

Thesis and antithesis. Batman and the Joker: two sides of the same coin, one good and the other evil.

He's also a terrible fighter and not packing a lot of neat tech.
Just saying, being the antithesis of Batman does not make him an evil Batman.
All of Batman's important rogues are in some way an antithesis of Batman. Penguin, Riddler, some less famous names, all of them.
That doesn't make his entire rogues gallery evil Batmen.
A lot of it is in style and methods. We didn't see Joker jumping around, busting out ninja moves, or driving a tank.
Just saying.

[nepenthes]

^ Joker is definitly the anti-thesis of Batman but maybe you were reffering to more of a vigilante type figure? The Wrath, the Reaper, the Phantasm or someone like that.

I don't think that's actually a bad angle for the next film...because the concept leads directly to Robin, in a sanctioned partner of Batman. I'd use Deadshot as the vigilante figure though, picking out bad guys but secretly working for the mob. Or Catwoman, but less a vigilante than a self-interested rogue player

Why,I would love to see the black mask in the film.


Main reason would be we've already had Two-Face and Roman would just seem to similar. - a skull like disfigurment, disgraced from a high-powered occupation, former associate of bruce Wayne in high society circles, wears a suit and babbles about deceit and injustice, etc. It would be kinda boring in a movie where you need to top the Joker. I also think the skull face look alone is just kinda stupid, always have, I never actually liked the modern incarnation of the character at all so maybe i'm just biased.

I'd much rather see Penguin or Venquilotrist if you need a character that's a cross between mobster and freak.

[DetectiveDupin]

Umm . . . yes.

Think about it. In the movies, Batman/Bruce Wayne is an exceptional, determined, and resourceful individual, one who uses theatricality to transform himself into a symbol capable of striking fear into the hearts of Gotham's evildoers so that he might transform the city for the better. In the movies, the Joker is an exceptional, determined, and resourceful individual, one who uses theatricality to transform himself into a symbol capable of striking fear into the hearts of Gotham's citizens so that he might transform the city for the worse.

Thesis and antithesis. Batman and the Joker: two sides of the same coin, one good and the other evil.

Prometheus is actually much more of an Evil Batman.

[The Batman]

He's also a terrible fighter and not packing a lot of neat tech.
Just saying, being the antithesis of Batman does not make him an evil Batman.
All of Batman's important rogues are in some way an antithesis of Batman. Penguin, Riddler, some less famous names, all of them.
That doesn't make his entire rogues gallery evil Batmen.
A lot of it is in style and methods. We didn't see Joker jumping around, busting out ninja moves, or driving a tank.
Just saying.

Yes, in the comics many of the villains are anti-Batmen and it's usually in the very general way of them letting their traumas twist and consume them, making them monsters where Batman/Bruce Wayne used his to inspire him to become a hero.

But I'm not talking about the comics, I'm talking about Nolan's movies. And there, the Joker is very much an evil Batman. He doesn't use ninja moves but he's far from an unskilled or unresourceful fighter. Just ask the guy with the pencil through his eye. He doesn't use pilfered Waynetech gadgets but he does use gadgets and special equipment to get the job done.

And again, after pushing aside all that window dressing, we find that both are determined, capable, and resourceful men intent on transforming themselves into something larger, one a symbol for order and good, the other for chaos and evil.

But don't worry, I get that you mean Batman vs. Evil Batman in the most straightforward way possible.

[The Batman]

Prometheus is actually much more of an Evil Batman.

Sure is. Not sure how well a guy who downloads skill-sets directly into his brain is going to fit into Nolan's Batman movies though.

[The Batman]

^ Joker is definitly the anti-thesis of Batman but maybe you were reffering to more of a vigilante type figure? The Wrath, the Reaper, the Phantasm or someone like that.

I don't think that's actually a bad angle for the next film...because the concept leads directly to Robin, in a sanctioned partner of Batman. I'd use Deadshot as the vigilante figure though, picking out bad guys but secretly working for the mob. Or Catwoman, but less a vigilante than a self-interested rogue player



I don't know that it needs to lead us to Robin, but the idea of another vigilante in Gotham does raise some possibilities, especially considering that at the end of TDK Batman was a wanted man.

[DetectiveDupin]

Sure is. Not sure how well a guy who downloads skill-sets directly into his brain is going to fit into Nolan's Batman movies though.

He doesn't have to have that part about him, he just as easily have trained like Bruce.

I'm sorry, just in NO way the Joker is an Evil Batman.

[The Batman]

What's the point in using Prometheus then if we're just going to take away the one unique thing about him?

He just becomes another one of those League of Shadows guys.

And you're right, movie Joker isn't an evil movie Batman. He's just a guy who's trying to do the same thing that movie Batman is doing only, you know, for evil. But he's totally not an evil Batman, he's just a guy that's like Batman only evil.

[DetectiveDupin]

What's the point in using Prometheus then if we're just going to take away the one unique thing about him?

He just becomes another one of those League of Shadows guys.

And you're right, movie Joker isn't an evil movie Batman. He's just a guy who's trying to do the same thing that movie Batman is doing only, you know, for evil. But he's totally not an evil Batman, he's just a guy that's like Batman only evil.

Batman defeated all the League of Shadows henchman quite easily. Prometheus may actually be able to give him a good fight.

[comicsmetal]

^ Joker is definitly the anti-thesis of Batman but maybe you were reffering to more of a vigilante type figure? The Wrath, the Reaper, the Phantasm or someone like that.

I don't think that's actually a bad angle for the next film...because the concept leads directly to Robin, in a sanctioned partner of Batman. I'd use Deadshot as the vigilante figure though, picking out bad guys but secretly working for the mob. Or Catwoman, but less a vigilante than a self-interested rogue player




Main reason would be we've already had Two-Face and Roman would just seem to similar. - a skull like disfigurment, disgraced from a high-powered occupation, former associate of bruce Wayne in high society circles, wears a suit and babbles about deceit and injustice, etc. It would be kinda boring in a movie where you need to top the Joker. I also think the skull face look alone is just kinda stupid, always have, I never actually liked the modern incarnation of the character at all so maybe i'm just biased.

I'd much rather see Penguin or Venquilotrist if you need a character that's a cross between mobster and freak.

I would just like to see him more.He needs to be put into some short of film.I am tired of it hearing penguin or catwomen should be the main villian when they are used all the time.

[Major Danger]

Christopher Nolan has said he wouldn't re-cast the Joker out of respect for Ledger.

That's nice of him. However, Batman needs the Joker, just read all the comics that have that theme. So, if Nolan doesn't use the Joker again, fine. Heck in 10 years somebody new will reboot the franchise, we'll have new Batman, Alfred, Joker, Commish, etc.

[DetectiveDupin]

I would just like to see him more.He needs to be put into some short of film.I am tired of it hearing penguin or catwomen should be the main villian when they are used all the time.

I really don't want to see Penguin anytime soon. Just too lame of a villain. Same goes for the Ventriloquist. Guys like that really wouldn't work in Nolan's Universe. Black Mask, Catwoman, and The Riddler all seem like the most probable choices though.

[nepenthes]

I really don't want to see Penguin anytime soon. Just too lame of a villain.

I don't see Penguin as too different from Maroni, Falcone or the accountant Lau. He'd simply be the mafia connected aristocrim of the film, not too freakishly squat or birdlike but a little outlandish if only to illustrate the gradual change occuring in Gothams underworld. He doesn't need to squawk and wear a top hat. but a memorable nightclub operator, loan shark, smuggler or extortionist can be valuable to any batman film.

I also just think audiences will get a kick out of seeing another familiar villain revamped again: out of the four villains appearing in the Nolan films the Joker is the only one most people have a frame of reference for. It's the last shot in the trilogy, if they need a new mob/corporate type guy they may as well captilise on someone people know rather than another generic Italian name.

[Sn4tcH]

That's nice of him. However, Batman needs the Joker.

No he doesn't.

[DetectiveDupin]

I don't see Penguin as too different from Maroni, Falcone or the accountant Lau. He'd simply be the mafia connected aristocrim of the film, not too freakishly squat or birdlike but a little outlandish if only to illustrate the gradual change occuring in Gothams underworld. He doesn't need to squawk and wear a top hat. but a memorable nightclub operator, loan shark, smuggler or extortionist can be valuable to any batman film.

I also just think audiences will get a kick out of seeing another familiar villain revamped again: out of the four villains appearing in the Nolan films the Joker is the only one most people have a frame of reference for. It's the last shot in the trilogy, if they need a new mob/corporate type guy they may as well captilise on someone people know rather than another generic Italian name.

Well that's true, in all honesty I would just like to see as many characters from the mythos as possible. Like Zsasz making that small cameo in Batman Begins.

[comicsmetal]

No he doesn't.

QFT,just is like saying Superman needs lex luthor.

[Walter West]

How about Batman going after a villain who's being paid to destroy/cripple other villains to make way for a new Gotham crimelord like The Riddler.

You could have a bunch of villains get knocked off and left for dead: Penguin, Bane, Poison Ivy, Catwoman, Mr. Freeze (in a tongue-in-cheek poke at the previous Batman movies).

Then the villain is revealed: Deathstroke - The Terminator, and Batman must work with others (Gotham PD AND villains) to take him down. :evilsmile:

[Bicycle-Repairman]

Well that's true, in all honesty I would just like to see as many characters from the mythos as possible. Like Zsasz making that small cameo in Batman Begins.

I'd also like to see more comic book villains make cameo appearances in the third film. They don't have to be given a major role or have their origins explained. Now that the old crime bosses are gone a new generation of costumed criminals inspired by the Scarecrow and the Joker could be running loose in Gotham. A character like the Mad Hatter (maybe John Hurt could play him) might not be strong enough to be the main villain, but he could be apprehended by Batman in the opening sequence.

[Bicycle-Repairman]

I doubt Nolan would use Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy, Clayface, or Man-Bat because their science fiction origins do not fit his more realistic take on the series. Killer Croc and Bane are possible depending on how they are portrayed. Killer Croc could be a man with a bad skin disorder or covered in scaly tattoos instead of the reptilian mutant he is sometimes depicted as in the comics. Bane's strength could be as great as physically possible but not super-human.

[Sn4tcH]

Well that's true, in all honesty I would just like to see as many characters from the mythos as possible. Like Zsasz making that small cameo in Batman Begins.

Sorry, off topic question, but was Zsaz ever drawn as bald before BB came out? Because I don't really dig the bald Zsaz...

[DetectiveDupin]

Sorry, off topic question, but was Zsaz ever drawn as bald before BB came out? Because I don't really dig the bald Zsaz...

I don't believe so, but he is portrayed as bald in Batman:Arkham Asylum too. I don't like the mustache in BB.

[ffaristocrat]

The Riddler and Bane would work out pretty well as villains.

Have the Riddler resemble his current incarnation as a media-whoring showboating detective to celebrities. Except as it turns out, he's been committing the crimes he's brought in to "solve", usually by framing other people. An attempt to scam Bruce Wayne in this manner leads to Batman somehow exposing him as a fraud.

Of course, because it was Batman that did it, he's able to stay free for the time being. But his reputation is ruined and he begins plotting his revenge.

Meanwhile, what remains of organized crime becomes increasingly desperate to get rid of Batman. They hire an assassin known only as "Bane" who's generally talked about the same way people talk about Keyser Soze. No one still alive has ever met him. The actual person of Bane is a sort of South American Jason Bourne. Before starting a mission, he typically takes a couple translucent green gelcaps ("Venom") that heighten his perception and awareness.

He observes and tests Batman with various situations. He subtly sets Riddler towards trying to determine Batman's identity. Once he's arranged for an exhausting situation, Bane directly confronts Batman publicly and nearly kills him. Worse yet, he does so in a way that suggest Bruce Wayne is Batman.

Having completed his contract, he collects his reward from the mafia and promptly kills them all - Bane has decided to take over the Gotham City underworld.

Meanwhile, Bruce recovers from his brutal injuries and tries to disperse suspicion that he's Batman.

Eventually, he'll employ a staggering amount of prep-time to confront Bane again and defeat him.

Well, there's probably a better more original plot that could be used but I think these versions of Riddler and Bane would fit in very well in Nolan's reality-based universe.

[Sn4tcH]

The Riddler and Bane would work out pretty well as villains.

Have the Riddler resemble his current incarnation as a media-whoring showboating detective to celebrities. Except as it turns out, he's been committing the crimes he's brought in to "solve", usually by framing other people. An attempt to scam Bruce Wayne in this manner leads to Batman somehow exposing him as a fraud.

Of course, because it was Batman that did it, he's able to stay free for the time being. But his reputation is ruined and he begins plotting his revenge.

This is the first decent idea I have seen for a Riddler in the Nolan Batman films. If I see one person say he needs to be a killer, that leaves clues at the scenes, I will destroy the internet...

[Bicycle-Repairman]

I don't want to see the Riddler portrayed as a serial killer either. The character should be more than a poor man's substitute for the Joker.

Another possibility for the third film is that the Riddler is a criminal mastermind who leaves riddles taunting Batman and the police at the scene of his crimes. Batman apprehends the Riddler partway through the film, but a special police task force is also after Batman because they think he is a murderer. Out of desperation the cops turn to the imprisoned Riddler to help them figure out who Batman really is.

[DetectiveDupin]

I don't want to see the Riddler portrayed as a serial killer either. The character should be more than a poor man's substitute for the Joker.


That's what he was created as.

And Bane is rather meh, don't you think?

[Bicycle-Repairman]

That's what he was created as.

The Joker and the Riddler have different personalities. The Riddler usually isn't as deranged and violent as the Joker and he takes more pleasure in outsmarting people than killing them. If they're going to bother using the Riddler as a villain they should explore what makes his character unique.

[DetectiveDupin]

The Joker and the Riddler have different personalities. The Riddler usually isn't as deranged and violent as the Joker and he takes more pleasure in outsmarting people than killing them. If they're going to bother using the Riddler as a villain they should explore what makes his character unique.

That's what they are now. As far as the original conception, they were tame.

[Bicycle-Repairman]

That's what they are now. As far as the original conception, they were tame.

The Joker was a psychopathic killer when he first appeared in 1940. He was toned down in the 1950s and 60s, but was depicted as a homicidal maniac again in the 1970s. The Riddler debuted in the comics in 1948 and wasn't a mass murderer like the early Joker. The Riddler made only a few appearances in the comics until he was popularized by Frank Gorshin's portrayal in the 1960s "Batman" TV series.

[Darthhobbit]

why has no one thoguht of Clayface, he can shapeshift so it can look like batman, or two face or gordon, think of the chaos clayface could cause!

[comicsmetal]

why has no one thoguht of Clayface, he can shapeshift so it can look like batman, or two face or gordon, think of the chaos clayface could cause!

He wont work in the Nolan's real world setting universe.

[comicsmetal]

That's what he was created as.

And Bane is rather meh, don't you think?




It seems their is alot of hate for Bane.Yes I understand some Batman fan hate Knightfall and that where he first appeared.I remember him form the animated TV as a smart tough guy .Even thought the flim Batman and robin made him look like an idoit.Nolan can use how he is in the comics .

[Darthhobbit]

Imagine thoguh how well Nolan could pull off a villain like Clayface, well I agree Nolan is more of a "realist" when it comes to his movies, I think he could really do a good take on Clayface. He doesn't need CGI(something Nolan does not like to use) because Clayface shapeshifts. I think he could do it.

[Dave Hackett]

I'd love to see "Prey" adapted. It would fit the status quo at the end of TDK perfectly. Hugo Strange brought in to profile Batman and gets in his head. Catwoman keeps showing up and throwing Batman off, and Strange's protege on the special squad goes bananas and has to be brought down. There's a lot of room to play within the story, but as an outline, it's pretty solid.

[Sn4tcH]

I wrote my idea for a story a few pages back, it was a mixture of Dark Victory and Prey. I love the idea of Gordon being forced to head a Anti-Batman squad.

[nepenthes]

I was thinking about this some more and I've pretty much convinced myself that it's going feature Catwoman and Bane. It's going to have a strong international element. It all comes down to Obama really

[Bicycle-Repairman]

Imagine thoguh how well Nolan could pull off a villain like Clayface, well I agree Nolan is more of a "realist" when it comes to his movies, I think he could really do a good take on Clayface. He doesn't need CGI(something Nolan does not like to use) because Clayface shapeshifts. I think he could do it.

A shapeshifting Clayface is too much in the realm of science fiction for the Nolan Batman films. If Nolan considers the Penguin a bit unrealistic for his movies I don't think he'll consider Clayface, unless it's the original Basil Karlo version who was a make-up wearing actor.

[jka12002]

Mr. Freeze could work.

He could be a scientist that gets exposed to a chemical that slowly lowers his body heat. Causing him to live in artic temperatures.

[Sn4tcH]

Mr. Freeze could work.

He could be a scientist that gets exposed to a chemical that slowly lowers his body heat. Causing him to live in artic temperatures.

And then what? Freeze rays and the suit are a bit too sci-fi. We could say he comes up with a chemical that he could inject to regulate his body temperature. But then what?

Even if he wants revenge for Nora, what can he do? He's cold!

[LewMoxinsghost]

1 Catwoman
2 Penguin
3 Venquilotrist
4 Riddler only if he's developed correctly. He is so tough to get right - he has to show his intellect first and leave all the goofy stuff out.
5 Anarchy could definitely be cool.
6 Ras has to come back with the help of Talia.
7 Dick Grayson.

Also, bring in Harold Allnut.

[JurassicParkIsAnAwesomeMovie]

Scarecrow must have a cameo.

[Mysterchr]

Ok I couldn't even make it past the first two pages without getting a headache from all the idiots around here...First off Two Face is dead, Nolan said he was dead, we all watched him die, and at the end there would be no conflict with the police for Batman if the Two Face was still alive. Let's keep it that way otherwise you end up haveing another crumy series of batman movies just like the last ones. Two face wasn't even that great of villian oooh I steal things in forms of 2's. I agree with the others who have said we need to stay away from mainstream villians and dig deeper. Perhaps to someone who really got under the mans skin. Eventually they should bring back the Joker but not in the very next film out of respect.

As for those that think their should be a love intrest involved well his last love intrest just died so i think we can do without one for awhile at least a film to give her death more meaning, and perhaps be somewhat of a driving factor. As for whom the villian should be, someone like The Repear is a good idea that I've heard from someone else before. An Anti-Villian going around killing criminals instead of arresting them. Then throw in a few small time villians like firefly and deadshot just to add to the mess. Have Falconi released from Arkam to pull together the mob in the end of the film so it shows that gotham will still need a hero by the end of the film. And at the end of the film Alfred says to bruce "you've been so wound up in your affairs as batman that bruce wayne has completly dissappeared. Perhaps you should go to the theatre or the circus to at the very least make an appearance." Bruce says "The circus is in town?" alfread response "yes master wayne. it seems the mayor thought gotham could use some upliffing. Look you can even take up a show, the paper says there's The Amazing Flying Graysons."

But that depends on how much in the future the story takes place I would say it would have to be somewhere around five years from the time the last one ended considering barbra gordon was only like ten years old if that.

[Mysterchr]

Yea Bane was a smart tough guy when he broke batmans back he was the one that united the crime familys if i remember correctly...

[Jacob B]

I would like to see Bane in the sequel. They did not do him right the first time. I think if done right Bane in Dark Knight 2 would be really cool and awesome. I'd also like to see Clayface but I don't think so. Killer Croc would be cool too.

[Angelo2113]

I'm sure many people disagree with me, but I would like to see Two-Face come back. A Long Halloween type movie, where gang leaders are being killed off one by one. Which would be a great movie for Batman to show his detective skills. I think they need to develop that more into the movies. Also with Catwoman coming into the mix, and starting a relationship with Bruce. I think it would be great.

[Kate Fatale]

I'd thought Nolan had kind of retconned Two-Face's death into a coma after Ledger's death? I seem to remember an interview with Aaron Eckhart in which he mentioned it. Maybe he was joking, though.

Bane would be awesome if they can find a guy with that body type who can also pass a genius.

I'd love to see a cameo by Liam Neeson as well, but that's doubtful.

[Lew Moxon]

I'd thought Nolan had kind of retconned Two-Face's death into a coma after Ledger's death? I seem to remember an interview with Aaron Eckhart in which he mentioned it. Maybe he was joking, though.

Bane would be awesome if they can find a guy with that body type who can also pass a genius.

I'd love to see a cameo by Liam Neeson as well, but that's doubtful.

I think the implication was that Dent might appear in flashbacks, since we didn't see everyone Dent killed on screen. He's almost certainly still dead though, from what I've read at least. I'm not actually sure who'd I want in the film.

[Sn4tcH]

I think the implication was that Dent might appear in flashbacks, since we didn't see everyone Dent killed on screen. He's almost certainly still dead though, from what I've read at least. I'm not actually sure who'd I want in the film.

I know which interview he's talking about, and yeah he did say maybe Nolan would leave Harvey in a coma now. I also think he was joking.

[the goddamn batman]

I thought he was great as Two Face. Vastly underappreciated. Lost in the shadows of Ledger's performance.

I don't want him coming back a la comic book 'oh wait, he isn't dead' sillyness, but via flashbacks I'd be into it. More of that great, if small performance would be fine with me. Nolan's good at non linear story telling too so I think he'd do it well.

[Monty_Cristo]

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm3947467008/nm2200632

Bane as Bruce's successor in the League of Shadows; someone with the same (if not greater) mental and physical abilities + the willingness to kill/exact justice. instead of "venom," they'd use something similar to those hallucinogenic flowers; an herb that acts to increase adrenalin and dampen pain receptors (or some such pseudo science).

[Crimson Knightman]

I can totally see a scenario where Catwoman is the love interest and Black Mask is the main nemesis of the film. Black Mask could be the sign of change in the mafioso element of Gotham City considering the Joker's reign of terror left a large impression or...

I can see the Riddler being the next main adversary for Batman to face considering that he's well known to the public. The thing is, this is going to have to be a dark version of the Riddler but it has to be done in a way where he doesn't come across as a poor man's Joker.

Other than that, Nolan being privy to the realistic tone (which has it's share of pros and cons) tends to shortchange a lot of villains with potential like Poison Ivy, Mr. Freeze, Man-Bat, Clayface and etc. I honestly believe Nolan would probably find Bane outlandish considering that his physical stature has been exaggerated in some areas. This is the same man who felt the Penguin's look was too far fetched (and I tend to disagree, I think the Penguin could fit in easily with the mobster scene and all his appearance would require is an update). But be that as it may, whoever Nolan select (if he chooses to return) it's going to be a challenge to have that villain make an impact considering that the Joker raised the bar quite high (which is to be expected).

[Lew Moxon]

I like the Hugo Strange "Prey" angle myself.

Honestly, I'm not sure how half the villains would fit into what might be the already established framework of BBIII. Granted we know nothing of the movie. But if it follows directly on the heels of TDK, then BIII will probably focus on "the hunt for Batman" or Batman vs. Gordon and the GCPD. That in and of itself makes for an interesting film. Gordon pretends to hunt Batman, obstructing the investigation along the way to make sure Bats doesn't actually get caught. Bruce forced to operate more in the shadows. The end of the Dark Knight is an intriguing set up, just as the end of Begins was, the joker card scene is still cool for me at least. The question is who fits the set up. Having Catwoman or the Riddler just to have them, might not really work well.

[Sn4tcH]

Yeah me too. I wrote an idea out earlier in this thread here (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9716088&postcount=28). It's a mix between Dark Victory, Long Halloween, and Prey. I really love the idea of the Mayor forcing Gordon to work on an anti-Batman squad.

[Monty_Cristo]

I can see the Riddler being the next main adversary for Batman to face considering that he's well known to the public. The thing is, this is going to have to be a dark version of the Riddler but it has to be done in a way where he doesn't come across as a poor man's Joker.

pseudo-celebrity/famed criminal profiler who becomes obsessed with Batman after 1) discovering Batman's true identity and 2) being upstaged or publically embarrassed by Batman (creating a contest of intellects).

[alanganthett]

I like the Hugo Strange "Prey" angle myself.

Honestly, I'm not sure how half the villains would fit into what might be the already established framework of BBIII. Granted we know nothing of the movie. But if it follows directly on the heels of TDK, then BIII will probably focus on "the hunt for Batman" or Batman vs. Gordon and the GCPD. That in and of itself makes for an interesting film. Gordon pretends to hunt Batman, obstructing the investigation along the way to make sure Bats doesn't actually get caught. Bruce forced to operate more in the shadows. The end of the Dark Knight is an intriguing set up, just as the end of Begins was, the joker card scene is still cool for me at least. The question is who fits the set up. Having Catwoman or the Riddler just to have them, might not really work well.



agreed. i would love to see hugo strange, psychoanalyzing the batman, which fits in with what the previous films have established. strange would egg the police on, but i do think they could find a worthwhile role for catwoman in all this, that makes sense with the established continuity.

batman may need a 'real' villian to go toe to toe with, because he could take strange down fairly easily and catwoman is a character of gray, so they probably would not have the same confrontation bruce had with ra's and joker previously.

i'm sure deadshot could be worked into an interesting story (not neccesarily the one i suggested above), though he wouldnt be the main villain




lew moxon...your avatar...familiar...

[Crimson Knightman]

pseudo-celebrity/famed criminal profiler who becomes obsessed with Batman after 1) discovering Batman's true identity and 2) being upstaged or publically embarrassed by Batman (creating a contest of intellects).

I can see that. Perhaps the Riddler uses his riddles as a way to instigate a war between Batman and the GCPD.

[Zembo]

Old-school Clayface as a master-of-disguise dealy?

I have a weird desire to see David Tennant as the Riddler. No idea why but cross-geek fun, I guess.

[Monty_Cristo]

I can see that. Perhaps the Riddler uses his riddles as a way to instigate a war between Batman and the GCPD.

well they're already kind of at war; now that Batman's a fugitive. but i think he would try to turn up the heat on Batman while sending messages that only Batman would pick up on. he could maybe get the gotham mob involved, as well. i don't want to rehash too much of what the Joker did. but Riddler should definately be a manipulative fellow. but playing a much less obvious game.