BATMAN/Daredevil

[daveageallen]

i have noticed and its pretty obvious the mirroring of these two major characters from both sides of dc and marvel.

the similarities are very noticeable when thinking in depth on their background and role in their universes.

both loners, both lost parent, intense history of martial arts training, female anti hero love interests. and weirdly enough both though in their realms have their own self contained worlds also,batman has gotham his own role,villains and established mythos. while daredevil has hells kitchen and while a big name is not major into the marvel titles like avengers or events, usually.
they even share the same big name writers who wrote pretty much the definitive personality that both comics follow, kevin smith, frank miller.

unbiasedly wh odo you think was the first. batman was first to come out by far but was he the martial arts loner first or just another hero with lighter origins to start.

[nepenthes]

unbiasedly who do you think was the first. batman was first to come out by far but was he the martial arts loner first or just another hero with lighter origins to start.

Frank Miller. He begun Daredevil in the late 70's and transformed the book from a superhero battling Stilt Man in the bright world of the Marvel U to an urban vigilante fighting hordes of ninjas and organized crime within the smaller world of Hells Kitchen. Miller killed Elektra in 1983 and wrote Born Again in 1985.

Dark Knight Returns was released in 86 and did the same thing to Batman that Miller did to Daredevil. So in one way I guess you could say that Daredevil beat Batman there by a year. However alot of people would argue that Denny O'Neal and Neal Adams already put Batman on that road long before, they returned him to a weird figure of the night with a focus on human abilities and villains rather than gadgets and aliens in the 70's. Of course the earliest Batman was a dark figure but that barely lasted more than a year in real time and I'm not sure martial arts really played a large role. I think its a matter of degrees. I'm not sure what you think Kevin Smith has contributed to Batman.

[carabas]

they even share the same big name writers who wrote pretty much the definitive personality that both comics follow, kevin smith, frank miller.Kevin Frelling Smith wrote the definiteive personality that Batman follows? Really?

[vitruvian]

After how many Robins, Batgirls, etc., etc., how much of a loner is Batman, really?

[Mulbard]

both lost parent,
Almost every protagonist ever is an orphan
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ParentalAbandonment

[Evil-Spidey]

both loners, both lost parent, intense history of martial arts training, female anti hero love interests. and weirdly enough both though in their realms have their own self contained worlds also,batman has gotham his own role,villains and established mythos. while daredevil has hells kitchen and while a big name is not major into the marvel titles like avengers or events, usually.
they even share the same big name writers who wrote pretty much the definitive personality that both comics follow, kevin smith, frank miller.

unbiasedly wh odo you think was the first. batman was first to come out by far but was he the martial arts loner first or just another hero with lighter origins to start.

Lol @ "both loners" Batman is as much a loner as the Human Torch or the Thing. He is constantly working together with other vigilantes in Gotham plus being a member of some team many times JLA, Outsiders etc. Batman has a big part in almost all events while Daredevil has only minor parts or is not even present, he wasn't even in the first Secret Wars, THE first big marvel event. Batman is clearly a hero while for Daredevil it's often a grey zone. I mean most of the time you see Batman fighting bad guys like Joker, Scarecrow or Two-Face while you see Daredevil going crazy and driving the King Pin over, becoming King Pin himself or the leader of a Ninja Clan.

[The Xenos]

Well, nepenthes pretty much covered anything I was thinking of adding. Ha. And, yeah, Kevin Smith is just a blip on the radar of both characters. He may have started the ball rolling again for Daredevil in the 90s, but I'd argue that it was more Quesada moving that than Smith. Now I'm a nut for Smith's films and even comics, but he really has had squat to do with Batman and even his work on Daredevil is highly overrated. Not that I didn't like the work, but you simply cannot compare it to Miller's. Though honestly it did get me into the character to eventually check out Miller's Daredevil work even though I already was into his Batman stuff which came out after. After reading the stuff that came before Smith, his DD stuff doesn't quite hold up as well as when I first read it.

And yeah, O'Neil is certainly a name in both Batman and Daredevil with more impact than Smith. He has much clout as both a writer and then editor. Hell, I'd say he might deserve more credit than Miller as much as Miller's stuff gets more attention.

Though in theme and tone, yes, the modern versions of both heroes are about in the same ballpark. Though Batman has been a bigger character in his universe, which is not necessarily a better thing. That DD has been in his own little corner works out pretty well for him, I think. DD is much more a loner, especially in a crossover sense.

[Bevbos]

Daredevil also can't just freakin invent anything. Batman can show up and have some kinda portable doodad that can allow him to punk alien invaders from another dimenshion, whereas Daredevil just has his billy club. That being said, his super-senses sure are handy and pretty bad-ass.

[Global Honored]

If Simone and Brubaker can get he ball rolling on the crossover already, that would be nice. DD, Bats, ace assassins like Deadshot and Bullseye...Wayne gets sued a lot and Murdock's an attorney, plenty of mobsters....so many possibilities.

[Devil_LeonX]

Hi guys I just want to ask is bats considered a Meta human ?

[nepenthes]

DD is much more a loner, especially in a crossover sense.

I'd agree in this sense. and he's probably more of loner as a character too. His closest allies may be Iron Fist, Luke Cage, Widow etc but he's not associated with the larger Marvel U, Avengers, FF in the same way Batman is with the JLA

[Damiean Dark]

I agree batman isnt really a loner in the physical sense but him and Daredevil share a mental kind of loneliness but nowadays DD seems to have both kinds far more then Batman who has the extended bat family and even a son while DD has Elektra a woman who at various times wants him dead or in her arms and his old friend Foggy.

[md62]

I think Moon Knight is more like Batman than DD. However DD is the more interesting hero. I liked the crossover by Chichester & NcDaniel (1997) that starred Batman & DD. The villians were Two Face & Mr Hyde.

[earl]

Hi guys I just want to ask is bats considered a Meta human ?


I would imagine people in the DC Universe might think Batman is a meta-human for all he does if they didn't know, but other than his money Batman has no super powers.

[Jorriss]

Hi guys I just want to ask is bats considered a Meta human ?
No, but he definitely should be.

[nightwing45]

When Daredevil first started; he was just a Spider-Man lite, everyone from Brubaker to Bendis to Miller will admit this. While Batman started out dark, and had that early 40's attitude. What came first was Denny O'Neil's reinvention of Batman; which was followed by the reinvention of Daredevil by Frank Miller later on in the early 80's.

What separates them is Batman is first and foremost a detective, trying to balance the hands of fate that took his parents by making sure that the dregs of Gotham face justice; Daredevil on the other hand is an angry Irish kid trying to deal with his emotional issues while reconciling them with his catholic beliefs.

[DetectiveDupin]

Both are great characters, and both have had amazing stories with Frank Miller and David Mazzuchelli as writer and artist, respectively. I've always leaned more to Batman though, there's always been a mine of good stories.

[Devil_LeonX]

I would imagine people in the DC Universe might think Batman is a meta-human for all he does if they didn't know, but other than his money Batman has no super powers.

AH i see alright thanks, related to this didn't Brother Eye list meta human threats and among them bats ,Sups and Diana were considered Omega or something?